The Show with PJ Thum - Ep. 4 - How the PAP Nanny State creates Dependence and Controls Citizens 

Sandra Chan; if he had foresight & he’s God, he wouldn’t encourage such family planning nor approved abortion as circumstances dictated back then. As the saying goes; “Man was created for the environment not the environment for man.” If he knew back then that such policies would affect population growth in SG, he wouldn’t support such policies. Realising that he’s just a mortal as we are, he didn’t want his legacy to be cast in stones. If he’d wanted, he would make it known in print.

Hit the CC button on the bottom left of the video play bar to switch on subs, and go to under the gear button to adjust for Chinese, English or Malay.

@@meganaire3003 yup, they've got closed captions. not sure if they've always been there or not though. Either way, it's a great step towards accessibility! Good on new naratif.

I think the elderly Cina can better understand English and Malay, because in 19 60 we all from Vilage, like brother and sister stay in vilage thogether, ,but the Singapore Goverment distroy,or Vilage in 1976,we all have to move out and stay in the HDB flat made with so many another Country peoples ,and start to clise our door all the time thank you

Yes, but make sure it is factual and positive otherwise they will find any which way to get you.

Good catch! It's been a running joke in every single video but you're the first one to notice! Congratulations! - PJ

Grouchy is Angry

Thank you, but I'm very introverted! I don't think I'd make a good politician. - PJ

@@NewNaratif maybe you could be a political strategist for one of the parties? I'm sure any opposition party would benefit from your knowledge or even policy research if you do any

you need your nanny

Jason ong bee chu

Ahh yes the typical reactionary take from an uneducated individual.

Send all foriegners in the construction sector and replace with Singapore PR and citizen! But, don't complain on the 5 room flat costing 2M!

None. They all just want to take advantage of Singapore and its people

Why do we even have that lever??? - PJ

Nonsense. What "stockholm syndrome"? Citizens are free to live and work locally or abroad. There are hundreds of listed home grown companies to work for and prove your mettle. There is the infrastructure to establish and grow your own business if you have the skills, talent, ambition, determination and grit. If you are excellent, you would have created Grab or Razer already. You are making excuses for your lack of ambition or motivation.

S C B Chong u don’t even understand what stockholm syndrome is, clearly

@@taeyeonist1462 And you don't have a grip on the real world. In what way are citizens held hostage in singapore by PAP govt? You can work and live anywhere in the world if you have the talent and skills. The borders are not closed. Citizens are not forced to work only in civil sevice or armed forces, right? I would say the Opposition parties are dependent on votes from dopes like you. Only you will vote them in and pay them 12k a month just to argue and roadblock. No need to risk anything to create sustainable policies for all communities in singapore. You are the one held hostage by Opposition's empty promises. What have you achieved for yourself and your family in the past years since last election? Only can make excuses that PAP "control" everything? If you got the right stuff, you would already have achieved much, rather than wait for the Opposition to "make changes".

@@scbchong6964 enough with the personal attacks la, woof woof woof. You don't know anything about me or what i or my family have achieved. The present government maintains control over many areas of our personal lives, they don't physically hold us hostage. Details are all in PJ Thum's video. You can bark all day long about his credibility and the Select Committee incident, but that doesn't change the fact that i have yet to see you refute any one of his arguments convincingly. NOT THE ONES made at the select committee but the ones in the video above. I never even said anything about supporting the opposition so you are grasping at straws here.

@@taeyeonist1462 re: .....enough with the personal attacks la..... So then stop encouraging personal attacks against civil servants who are doing their jobs well. re: .....You don't know anything about me or what i or my family have achieved..... Exactly. So do you like it when others get judgemental against you? Why are you allowed the privilege to make personal attacks against govt figures? re: .....The present government maintains control over many areas of our personal lives,..... How so? Does govt decide your job? Does govt decide how much you save and spend? You not allowed to go on holidays? Not allowed to marry and date? Citizens not allowed to buy property? PAP govt has only made laws which stop the nasty and toxic citizens from hurting others. Since when is it a good thing to lie and make false accusations and personal attacks for amusement? I think you have revealed much about your background and lack of work experience and family responsibilities and obligations. re: .....i have yet to see you refute any one of his arguments convincingly..... Are you living on different planet? You not writing your rubbish or viewing PJ's opinions on fibre broadband internet access? You never go to any library? You not allowed to holiday abroad? You got no access to social media and any internet wiki? Citizens can go overseas for school and work and holidays, so what rot about "afraid to speak up" you parroting? The real issue is clowns like PJ are allowed to make opinions as facts and gullible young adults like you swallow his bile.

Well.... I can't know for sure what the PAP leaders are thinking, and I do try and assume the best of everyone. I'd like to think they will see this video and reflect on their own behaviour and their relationship with the people of Singapore. I live in hope! But not expectation. :) - PJ

And what makes you think the Opposition won't rule by fear? PJ is already trying to plant fear, uncertainty and doubt among the more impressionable and misinformed Opposition supporters like you. You think vote Opposition into govt and suddenly you are free to do as you please? Suddenly your pay increase and you will get free HDB? Suddenly your CPF interest raised? What nonsense you are thinking. You need to be more mature in your mindset. Just because PJ is anti-PAP does not automatically mean he is more moral, more honest, more quality. Similarly, does not mean every policy from PAP automatically intentionally to hurt citizens.

the opposition leaders have at least spoken positively about being more progressive, unlke the PAP. we can never be sure if they will walk the talk but at least their articulated ideology is different from that of the PAP. and by the way i do not need PJ to "plant" anything in me. i'm already well aware of the PAP's antics

@@raistarithon Such a bleeding heart for the Opposition but give no credit to PAP which has allowed citizens freedom in work, housing, education and leisure for decades? Are you unsound or just plain anti-authority anti-establishment for its sake? Why do you have an axe to grind with pap govt? As for being infatuated with Opposition different ideology, remember that "different" and asking for "change" is easy, but bringing positive change and bringing better is difficult. It sounds like you want the soft option and easy way out by blaming someone else for your unhappiness of failures in life.

@@scbchong6964 Are u trying to tell us that PAPa is PERFECT and we are idiots.

Thanks bro! - PJ

salam makcik memang WP dah menang kat hougang. dorang sampai kiamat pun takkan pilih PAP rasanya. kalau adanya PAP menang kat hougang kena intai belah barat tengok kalau ada matahari terbit kat sana ke tak

you can't make that statement in times like this, it has no relation to what pj is saying here. the current rules are put in place to safeguard everyone from the virus and hopefully eradicate it so we can return to our normal way of life soon.

Thanks. I don't want to propose solutions because I think that is counterproductive - people might focus on the solutions I propose rather than trying to understand the problem better. Before we can arrive at good solutions, we need to understand the problem and ask the right questions. I see my own role as a historian as helping to understand the problem, by explaining historical causality and unpacking the forces which shape how we see the world (consciously and unconsciously). I think solutions are best proposed through open discussion and debate from multiple parties, and arrived at through a fair political process. There are lots of really good ideas already out there about reforming the system, from people like Donald Low, Yeoh Lam Keong, Teo You Yenn, and others, and I would encourage you to check their work out. - PJ

I keep hearing this trope from the hoodwinked masses. As long as his criticisms are valid, his actions are already constructive. I hope one day you guys will come to realise this

@@NewNaratif Appreciate the reply. Understood, thanks PJ! Still a big fan :)

hi darkless, your point is indeed something that the govt likes to repeat a lot - "don't just criticise, propose solutions". and they have somehow managed to make people think that it is a fair stance to take. i don't think it is. they are the ones paid to run the country, it's their responsibility to come up with the solutions. sure, if citizens have suggestions, that's great also, but surely we are not required to give suggestions before we can criticize/critique? if the food you bought at mcdonald's was bad, you should be entitled to complain without also having to tell mcdonald's how to improve, right?

raist arith

That's the complete opposite of what I said. I said the PAP tightly regulates welfare provision using the mechanism of market forces, and through this has placed a large chunk of the burden of paying for welfare on the individual; and that the PAP system enables the selective provision or withdrawal of welfare on an individual level, making people feel insecure about their ability to access welfare and feel beholden to those in power. I also very clearly and deliberately said that I was not judging the success of this model, but rather focusing on the psychological consequences of it on individual Singaporeans, observing that it makes individuals afraid of offending people in power because your welfare (your home, healthcare, pension, and children's education) can be individually and selectively withdrawn, and you can't do anything about it. - PJ

@@NewNaratif thanks for clarifying ^^; thought you may not have been too fair

@@flowertowerrr I'm happy to engage you on that point. Perhaps you could explain? In what way did you think I was not too fair? Thanks! - PJ

@@NewNaratif We should probably meet up since the youtube comments section is just not a good way to discuss deep subjects XD. Nonetheless, let me try: In sum, I think you are not being too fair because the situations in other countries are far worse than ours, the ends justified the means in the past ,and there's nothing to stop us from going overseas for short/medium/longer trips if we wish to. I think your 3 main points are: 1. Jailing opposition / potential threats in the past - Comments: I give them the benefit of the doubt given that they basically grew the nation from a slum to a place that can compete with the world. Thus, I give them a pass over this. Are there any examples of recent times of blatantly jailing people? 1b. Suing people - While I think It is ok to a right of reply by the govt, the only thing I'm uncomfortable with is to use the parliamentary powers covertly to portray a govt perspective/situation to the population. However, with the internet, this is becoming harder to do. Exercise this power too much and lose more trust if not done properly. 1c Political gerrymandering / using of legal powers of the state to ensure they remain in power: No govt in the world doesn't do this, but that doesn't mean its right for the PAP to do so. They will reap a political cost if people don't trust them. I hope they are not stupid enough to exercise this constantly. They collect data, have the power to screw with you, as do ALL govt in the world. 2. Intervention into personal lives: Comments: Eugenics was probably the worst of LKY's ideas, but their other quota rules have run reasonably well. This needs to be managed very carefully to prevent backlash to the govt and even population lives. Am I annoyed that other races pay more for the same unit (essentially) in a HDB flat? Yes. But not the worst thing in the world. 3. Market Forces as a weapon: Comparing into other country's housing system would very quickly shine a light on how good our system is. If you spend your money unwisely or leverage upwards to become more dependent on the state, then the problem is education, not the government. I know my points do not refute yours directly. I just think that the points raised do not really solve problems faced by Singaporeans at all. The tone also suggests that there may be a better way without showing any solutions. All of your points can be managed by financial education and life in Singapore is generally good. Which first world country can you buy a house for ~10-50k if you earn 700 SGD - 1,000 SGD a month? That said, I like the alternative view. If the current system really does fail, I myself would not know what to do since I've basically outsourced governance to the government completely. Best for me to read up more just in case the system starts to fail and the current opposition continues to be in such a sorry state. Hell, may even decide to join PAP later in life to see the inside mess and see if it makes sense to maintain the current system or build something new. Haha but it's more likely I will just diversify my political risk somehow.

@@NewNaratif Actually, I just read your site's manifesto and vision. Happy for an alternative view, and good on you to try to do something like this. Not easy, and arguably noble. i just read more on your profile. your profile is legendary... you should run as an opposition team or gather a good team