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The Siege of Elands River: Koos De La Rey vs Australian's and Rhodesian's 

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On the 4th of August 1900 Boer Commander Koos De La Rey lays siege to the Imperial Supply Depot at Brakfontein near the Elands River.
What followed was almost two weeks of hard fighting on all sides, a British Blunder and a Rather Ingenious use of Goats.

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@satchpersaud8762
@satchpersaud8762 3 года назад
Thank u for the upload, starting reseaching the bore wars earlier now trying to learn about specific battles... Awesome info
@hanznel8488
@hanznel8488 3 года назад
Boer, not bore.
@albieduplessis6783
@albieduplessis6783 3 года назад
If you are interested, there's a cool folk tune about the whole thing by John Edmond
@freshdoggfromsk8parx
@freshdoggfromsk8parx 4 года назад
Thanks for making this. I have only just learned of this battle from a book about Australian war stories which only had a short story about this. That, along with your video, has made me want to look further into The Boer War as a whole (which I know almost nothing about). Thanks again.
@hanznel8488
@hanznel8488 3 года назад
Get Thomas Pakenham's 'Boer War'. Well researched and even handed treatment of the war.
@szwabomichael5852
@szwabomichael5852 4 года назад
Great job! Appreciate the detailed research.
@TrevorD2502
@TrevorD2502 2 года назад
I enjoy your talks thankyou.
@alanbstard4
@alanbstard4 3 года назад
Australian troops were Imperial after 1901 in WW2, the AIF. BSAP were Rhodesian police It was formed as a paramilitary force of mounted infantrymen in 1889 by Cecil Rhodes' British South Africa Company, from which it took its original name, the British South Africa Company's Police. Initially run directly by the company, it began to operate independently in 1896, at which time it also dropped "Company's" from its name. It thereafter served as Rhodesia's regular police force
@PhansiKhongoloza
@PhansiKhongoloza 13 дней назад
The BSAP was known as "The Regiment" right up to 1980. Nobody ever used the term "I'm going to join the Police" but rather "I'm going to join The Regiment". And everyone knew what he meant.
@alanbstard4
@alanbstard4 13 дней назад
they were from the Australian colonies
@PhansiKhongoloza
@PhansiKhongoloza 13 дней назад
@@alanbstard4 Who the BSAP?
@matthewcharles5867
@matthewcharles5867 Год назад
There were plenty of Boers armed with captured 303 Martini rifles and Enfield bolt action rifles.
@t.bozmkw3562
@t.bozmkw3562 4 года назад
Wow, so our trinations plight goes back before 1900's. The Aussies, Kiwi's fighting the Boers.
@richardduplessis1090
@richardduplessis1090 3 года назад
And the Boers kicked everyone's arse.
@gertvanniekerk9783
@gertvanniekerk9783 3 года назад
Wrong We had To Fight the Whole english empire-and we beat them AGAIN in 2019 but in Japan!
@gertvanniekerk9783
@gertvanniekerk9783 3 года назад
Wrong We had To Fight the Whole english empire-and we beat them AGAIN in 2019 but in Japan!
@thesociallyresponsibleanar2882
@thesociallyresponsibleanar2882 4 года назад
pom poms are multiple barrel high fire rate, used in ship defence. used as anti aircraft in the 2nd ww. But were also used in earlier land wars. They were a lot more annoying to Australians at elands than 12 pounders resulting in them going out at night and attacking them. The reason they called the trenches that name was because it was impossible to dig trenches in what was basically sand. 26 Australian dug a 2 foot deep trench along the river in the sand over a Km length to make it appear that there were more troops than there were defending the water supply, boers did actually attack the river defenders with pom poms and the Australians went out of a night and silenced them. The aggressive Australian patrolling you speak has always been a characteristic of Australians in warfare to deny the enemy sleep at night. Its was called peaceful penetration and was carried out by various size patrols. it hit its peak in ww1 when Australians went out one night and eliminated an entire battalion of germans without German high command knowing which infuriated Lutendorf. Incidently you mention breaker morant, who was indeed guilty of murder and should have been tried by Australians, his mate was also involved - Captain Antill, who was the actual soldier who ordered the futile 4 Charges at the neck at gallipolli resulting in a massacre when 3 charges went ahead. Us Australians like to blame the british for this disgrace, but it was Antill who ordered it, as his commanding officer was a drunkard who was unconscious at the time
@PhansiKhongoloza
@PhansiKhongoloza 13 дней назад
I'd like to believe your story about the Aussies being active at night against the Boers.....but find it rather difficult to believe. The Boers were in their own back yard. The Aussies on the other hand were as familiar with Africa as the average London pom.
@alanbstard4
@alanbstard4 13 дней назад
@@PhansiKhongoloza The Aussies knew their stuff. Much to the cost of the boers and others later in other wars
@PhansiKhongoloza
@PhansiKhongoloza 13 дней назад
@@alanbstard4 Don't make me laugh! The Aussies, along with the British and the rest of the imperial forces, were way out of their depth in South Africa. The very reason they had to resort to shooting civilians and POW's and locking up the women and children in camps. They ran out of ideas, out of options and running out of time as opinion was swinging against them. The most dangerous thing in Australia is a medium sized brown dog. Suddenly they were faced with real wild and dangerous game as well as a foe who punched way above his weight. This is Africa, the Boers had survived a few hundred years in this most inhospitable place on earth where only the toughest could survive. And you lot fondly imagined you could just simply come waltzing Matilda in here? You received a very huge dose of bugger off bruce! Which lead to you resorting to committing huge atrocities on the Boer civilian population.
@PhansiKhongoloza
@PhansiKhongoloza 13 дней назад
@@alanbstard4 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@PhansiKhongoloza
@PhansiKhongoloza 13 дней назад
@@alanbstard4 Yeah they knew their stuff alright! Especially when it came to shooting civilians and POW's.
@_l735
@_l735 3 года назад
Watch those mic pops though, pop filter or softer approach. 👍
@johanmyburgh2363
@johanmyburgh2363 4 месяца назад
Thank you, however, you have presented some very inaccurate facts. For example the war ended in 1901, not as you said 1902? Elandsfontein was a huge strategic victory for the Afrikaners as the siege tied up other troops who were designated to achieve other British strategies.
@AnotherHistorianWargamer
@AnotherHistorianWargamer 4 месяца назад
The war most certainly did not end in 1901. Major commanders were still very much active until March 1902 and the war did not end until May 1902. De le Rey and Kemp were still fighting in 1902. The war ended on May 31st 1902 with the signing of the Treaty of Vereeniging. Elandsfontein was indeed a big victory in the First Boer War but this video is about the Siege at Elands River in the Second Boer War which was a British Victory.
@bryanhurd9955
@bryanhurd9955 Год назад
Ozz needs those soldiers now
@zteaxon7787
@zteaxon7787 Год назад
My disdain for imperial troops is immense.
@AnotherHistorianWargamer
@AnotherHistorianWargamer Год назад
That's a common opinion. Although it should be noted that 250,000 South Africans Volunteered for (not conscripted) Imperial Service during WWI, a little over 4% of the entire population while only 12,000 rose up in rebellion. Twenty times as many South Africans fought for the Crown than rose against it during the War. In WWII more than 300,000 volunteered for Imperial Service. Far more South Africans fought for the Empire than ever fought against it. Not saying it's good or bad, it just is.
@PunkDogCreations
@PunkDogCreations 6 месяцев назад
​@@AnotherHistorianWargamer forced conscription
@AnotherHistorianWargamer
@AnotherHistorianWargamer 6 месяцев назад
@@PunkDogCreations Neither Australia or South Africa had Conscription in the Great War or WWII, they were essentially the only countries that never implemented it. Everyone who served did so voluntarily.
@PhansiKhongoloza
@PhansiKhongoloza 13 дней назад
​@@AnotherHistorianWargamerHow can 250 000 be only 4% of the population? When the population was still under 2 million by 1940!
@AnotherHistorianWargamer
@AnotherHistorianWargamer 13 дней назад
@@PhansiKhongoloza That's a lie. The White population of South Africa in 1940 was a little over 2 Million but the entire population of the country was much bigger. in 1950 there were at least 13.5 Million people living in South Africa. You're using a period census that only counted Whites. WWI - 145,000 Whites and 80,000 Blacks served WWII - 210,000 Whites and 75,000 Blacks served
@tonyvanderhelm2934
@tonyvanderhelm2934 2 года назад
vernacular not very balanced but very Pro British. Now find out about Breaker Morant and British justice.
@jck0183
@jck0183 3 года назад
Hi I am a south African if u want I can teach a little about our language
@motorcop505
@motorcop505 3 года назад
JCK 01 Which language would that be? Xhosa, Shona, Afrikaans, or one of the many other tribal languages?
@jck0183
@jck0183 3 года назад
@@motorcop505 Afrikaans
@ProgressiveTruthSeekers
@ProgressiveTruthSeekers 2 месяца назад
African indigenous languages are interesting.
@PhansiKhongoloza
@PhansiKhongoloza 13 дней назад
​@@motorcop505The South African language is Afrikaans. The others you mentioned are African languages. Huge difference.
@louiskunz4111
@louiskunz4111 Месяц назад
And don't forget the awards, they all got for death of 27000 woman and children.
@hanoitripper1809
@hanoitripper1809 4 года назад
Why were the rhodesians fighting against boers
@t.bozmkw3562
@t.bozmkw3562 3 года назад
Because they were British protecting the crown.
@hanznel8488
@hanznel8488 3 года назад
Rhodesians were in it from the beginning. Google 'Jameson Raid'.
@colinm2056
@colinm2056 3 года назад
Isn't it ironic that a mere six decades & two world wars later Rhodesia would be seen as the enemy of Britain & Austraila?
@danielfourie7204
@danielfourie7204 2 года назад
So true ian smith last half of he's face defendeding British interests and a lot more Rhodesians lost their lives for they fucked up causes but were eventually sold out only to have our old Boer enemies been our only friends!strange but true!I respect Brit and Americans who joined the cause but not the plump Harold Wilson politician types!
@ProgressiveTruthSeekers
@ProgressiveTruthSeekers 2 месяца назад
Fighting over indigenous African land.
@christobosman5710
@christobosman5710 3 месяца назад
Shame the British 450 000 troops consisting of ozzis rhodesians canadians scots wales and irish had to turn the war to Boer woman and children to win the second war , that doesn't say much about them fighting woman and children , yes and at the end the rhodecians did surender and rodesia became zimbabwe .
@AnotherHistorianWargamer
@AnotherHistorianWargamer 3 месяца назад
This is one of my biggest hates of insurgent lovers. "Dumb British they fought in lines while we were guerillas they're so dumb for having rules" "How dare the British stop following the rules" If you make the cornerstone of your strategy hiding behind women skirts and living off local farms how else is the enemy supposed to deal with you? There's a reason wars are fought the way they are. If people don't respect the neutrality of civilians by hiding behind them that creates horrific situations. That doesn't justify internment camps but if your farm is being used to supply guerillas then it's got to be taken out of action. What's your solution to that problem? You defeat an enemy, you take his entire country, all the major cities and strategic points and he refuses to stop fighting. What's the solution to that and don't say "just quit" because that just makes any war ever impossible to win. Not all British Commanders were in favour of the camp system and strongly protested against it
@PhansiKhongoloza
@PhansiKhongoloza 13 дней назад
​@@AnotherHistorianWargamerNo Boer fighter "hid behind women's skirts". In fact they left their women and children alone behind on their farms where they were not only abused and raped by the imperial troops, but also by black Africans in the employ of the British.
@AnotherHistorianWargamer
@AnotherHistorianWargamer 13 дней назад
​@@PhansiKhongoloza They used the civilian farms as supply bases, a military use. This is exactly my point, you break all the rules then clutch your pearls that the other side does the same. Civilians are protected during war as non-combatants, once a guerilla force makes civilians critical to their operations they cease to be uninvolved in the war. Once the Boer Commando's threw the rules out by oathbreaking (not all but a lot) and dragging the civilians into the war they lost any right to complain. Should the British have just died en masse and lost the war? Gone home once the Boers violated the rules of war? Again my point is "Dumb British they fought in lines while we were guerillas they're so dumb for having rules" "How dare the British stop following the rules"
@PhansiKhongoloza
@PhansiKhongoloza 13 дней назад
@@AnotherHistorianWargamer Now imagine this took place in Australia? Picture Australia as being a sovereign country which suddenly discovered huge reserves of gold, diamonds and other natural resources. The British now covert those resources. So along with their empire, they invade Australia. They take your major towns (as you don't have a conventional standing army. Your population numbers a few hundred thousand) what would you do? As Australians.....
@PhansiKhongoloza
@PhansiKhongoloza 13 дней назад
@@AnotherHistorianWargamer How did the Boers "drag the civilians into the war"???? You invaded their country!!! What were the civilian population supposed to do? Vanish?
@ddder7584
@ddder7584 4 года назад
West Australians?
@AnotherHistorianWargamer
@AnotherHistorianWargamer 4 года назад
Thanks for the Comment. The Siege took place in 1900 a year before Federation so these men were fighting on behalf of their respective States/Territories rather than as a unified nation. At least in name in practice it was basically all Australia by this point.
@ProgressiveTruthSeekers
@ProgressiveTruthSeekers 2 месяца назад
Interesting, fighting over indigenous African land.
@AnotherHistorianWargamer
@AnotherHistorianWargamer 2 месяца назад
You posted this same comment yesterday, I replied so you delete it and just repost it? If you want to comment why don't you want to be responded to?
@salomemalherbe677
@salomemalherbe677 9 месяцев назад
WHY .... WHY ...WHY did the English attack a Fellow European Christian people in their own country ???
@user-ez9en7vk2z
@user-ez9en7vk2z 8 месяцев назад
Huge deposits of gold and diamonds were discovered in Southern Africa. The Boers were from Dutch & French decent and weren't keen to cooperate with the imperial plans of the Brits of a railway (read economy & power) track connecting The Cape to Cairo in Egypt.
@PunkDogCreations
@PunkDogCreations 6 месяцев назад
Greed
@zackvanstaden1715
@zackvanstaden1715 3 года назад
XERXES 7 8 ESTER,
@bryanhurd9955
@bryanhurd9955 Год назад
Zimbabwe 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@michaelpitcher1131
@michaelpitcher1131 6 месяцев назад
N boer maak n plan,maar n engelsman maak n beter plan.
@christobosman5710
@christobosman5710 3 месяца назад
Is that why Britain with 450 000 troops couldn't stop 48 000 Boers ordinary farmers , really ?
@geoffreyblyth6462
@geoffreyblyth6462 3 года назад
Very poorly narrated....
@user-ez9en7vk2z
@user-ez9en7vk2z 8 месяцев назад
I'm a documentary film maker with stuff on History and Nat Geo. I disagree with your assessment. Pieces on youtube are more informal.
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