The Sinner Neither Able Nor Willing The Doctrine of Absolute Inability Session III 

AMEN! A true understanding of God is the only way to have a true understanding of self All glory to God!

I. I. I. I. I. Eye yi yi.

Amen to that truth. Thanks be to God for that revelation as well.

Thank you for this verse. It is eye opening and praise God for his clarity.

So what's the point you're trying to make?

​@@Tommythecat007are you truly unable to understand the verses he gave and what they mean?

@@williammorewood1625 no I agree with that part of the tulip, But John's theology to conclude that His mercy is only for a limited elect is most ridiculous, you would have to negate so much scripture and the total character of God to ever come up with such a blasphemous idea. Sadly John MacArthur has not a limited atonement; But rather a limited love... Heresy

@@Tommythecat007 Yes it is error because when God said i will have mercy upon whom i will have mercy it doesnt mean you dont have a choice. just because God knows who will choose him doesnt mean he made the choice for you. that would make him a rapist and would turn the love of God into a sham! A farce! God's throne is in eternity so he sees all from start to finish and already knows but WE dont and WE choose like you said nulls SO many scriptures! Like two cannot wlak together unless they are in agreement and I would not that even the wicked should perish but that they should repent. Without choice you cannot have love and they ALSO dont understand that the CROSS gave us the choice and THAT is why it is not of ourselves because he did it so that we have a choice! I Choose HIM! Because he died for me and i was his enemy when he did ! my sins are my own fault and they are MANY yet he forgave them ALL! When people like this guy here discourage me and then I give up and fall into sin and lap up my grace and dignity Christ comes for me again and tells me he loves me and I am not alone and to hold on tighter! men like this will ALWAYS try to be God and sit in judgement upon you I made a littel ditty so when i hear them I imagine they are singing it it goes "Jesus loves me not you he he ha ha hoo hoo hoo" and I just laugh at them! They deny the riches of his love and mercy!

I've never met a truly, born again believer who took ANY CREDIT for his salvation but with tears Praised the Lord all his life. When a man is drowning and someone throws him a life preserver, he grabs it with all his might. Now who is he going to give credit too? Himself, or the one who threw the life saving flotation device? Calvinism is wacked!

Yes Pride ..It was the reason Devil will be destroyed along with unbelivers that followed him...

Not necessarily. It's man's wickedness, evil and enmity against God. We're dead, remember? 18 Therefore as by the offense of one, judgment to condemnation came upon all men...

@@eugenejoseph7076 How is Calvinism whacked when you just described it perfectly? Unless you mean something different by the word whack?

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What John teaches is false, it's what we call the bad news gospel Oh how marvellous, God has saved me for some reason but not someone else☺️😇, even though I don't understand why, oh that's right it's his sovereign choice,(yeah well it can't possibly be anything to do with love otherwise he would have saved us all) eh how glorious, praise Him. Sadly John has been caught up in a sick perversion of the truth, which undermines the power, will and the grace of God and clearly disparages His mercy, not to mention he also negates a bucket load of scripture. But most alarmingly he seems to have only no idea of what actually took place at the cross.😦😮 Although I would hesitate to say that he is teaching blasphemy, it definitely falls far short of the gospel of Christ.

​@@Tommythecat007Romans 9 is titled God's Sovereign Choice. You should read it.

​@@Tommythecat00726 But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. (John 10:26-28, NASB)

They don't see because they probably have not been quickened. They are their own God 😢

To humble oneself and admit that I am a sinner is not a work. When the Bible says works it means works of righteousness. In other words we cannot do good works to gain salvation. Did you know that when you breathe you are working. But you are not working a righteous deed. Big difference.

Part 2 of 2. I disagree with any view that Calvinism is just another branch of Christianity. Calvinism has a different god, a different christ, and is another gospel. I believe that the most dangerous aspect of Calvinism is in P of TULIP-Perseverance of the Saints, and the false gospel of Lordship Salvation that defines P. Calvinism's assertion that, "We are saved by faith alone, but not a faith that is alone" is a subtle way of introducing justification by works into biblical Christianity. According to P you must persevere in faith and works of the Law, you must submit to tbe Lordship of Christ, and you must be obedient and behave in certain ways otherwise you must not be one of the elect. This directly contradicts the many Scriptures that we are justified by faith in Jesus Christ apart from the works of the law. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Galatians‬ ‭3:2‭-‬3‬ ‭ As you read the following Scriptures, please note, nowhere does it say that faith and believing unto salvation itself is a gift. The Scriptures say In Ephesians 2:8, the gift is "salvation" by grace through faith, not "faith" itself. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8‭-‬9 Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. ‭Romans‬ ‭5:2‬ And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, Romans 4:5 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. Galatians 2:21 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Romans 3:28 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” Galatians 3:11 And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith- Philippians 3:9 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans‬ ‭10:4‬ Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. Galatians 2:16 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20 ‭For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” Romans‬ ‭4:2‭-‬3‬ ‭ Do you see the problem? The moment you point to your obedience to God's Laws and your own efforts to prove your salvation, you are basing your salvation on "your performance" and not the "finished work of Jesus Christ", contradicting God's promise of salvation by faith in Jesus Christ apart from the works of the law. Anytime you add anything to justification by faith in Jesus Christ, then you are perverting the very heart of the Gospel. Any time you introduce the exception clause "but" to the proposition that we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ, you are adding works to the Gospel. The fate of those relying on their own works for their justification is very clear in the Bible... “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:21‭-‬23 A great channel that exposes Calvinism is Beyond the Fundamentals. A good place to begin is, The Calvinist Meme Complex, which delves into the origins of Calvinism. Another good channel that exposes Calvinism is Soteriology 101 with Leighton Flowers. These channels biblically refute all of the typical proof texts that Calvinists use to support Calvinism. If you are a Calvinist, i suggest that you visit these channels so that you can see for yourself exactly how unbiblical Calvinism is. Over and over the Bible warns of false doctrines and myths and heresies and the traditions of man creeping into Biblical Christianity, twisting and perverting God's Word and the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is exactly what Calvinism is and does.... ‭Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians‬ ‭2:8‬ ‭ O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: which some professing have erred concerning the faith......" ‭1 Timothy‬ ‭6:20‭-‬21‬ ‭ Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. ‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:2‭-‬4‬ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. ‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1‭-‬2‬ Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. ‭Romans‬ ‭16:17‬ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. ‭1 John‬ ‭4:1‭-‬3‬ Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; ‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:13‭-‬14‬ If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. ‭1 Timothy‬ ‭6:3‭-‬5‬ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. ‭Galatians‬ ‭1:6‭-‬9‬ If you are a Calvinist, please take heed to what I am saying. Conduct your own research with an open mind. The channels I suggested are good starting points. Recant your Calvinist beliefs and its many false teachers, free your mind from its enslavement to human philosophy, vain teachings without biblical substance, idolatry, and legalism. I know it is very difficult to accept that you might have been taught nothing but deception and lies in Calvinism. It was difficult for me to accept, and human pride resists any notion that we might be wrong about long cherished beliefs. But it is not impossible, and the Scriptures with the help of tbe Holy Spirit will lead you to Truth if you approach your inquiry with humility. May God bless you by the reading of His Word.

​@@zebra2346the proposition that we are saved by faith, what does that mean?

@brianbrodie8331 In a nutshell, Faith is placing our trust in the person and work of Jesus Christ apart from works or repentance from sins for the salvation of our soul. I know Calvinists like to say faith itself is a work, but I reject that view. It follows from the faulty premise that regeneration preceeds faith, and that's not what the Bible says

@3rsullivan The Prodigal Son is a powerful refutation of Total Depravity and does not depict God as the narcissistic monster that Calvinism does. God wants us to come to our senses and believe the Gospel, and when we do, God rejoices. The Calvinist god loves some and hates others. The christ of Calvinism died for some and not others. That's not what the Bible says. It's not Christianity.

Depends on what one means by a will that is free. Free from what? Free to choose? Like we stand apart from what we choose? We can choose what? We choose among those things within our environment to choose. Among those things we are exposed to. And our choices are limited according to age and ability to partake of our choices. And our cultural exposures. Choice is only one of the elements of what makes us autonomous as creatures.

@@pierrelabounty9917 true

I agree to not fight but I what I see is that a rejection of this biblical truth seems to cause people to entertain all kinds of options that we then also can't be certain of truth at many points. Calvinism does teach man is able to choose . "No man is excluded from calling upon God, the gate of salvation is set open unto all men: neither is there any other thing which keepeth us back from entering in, save only our own unbelief." - John Calvin

@@davevandervelde4799 I agree. Moreover in the Westminster Confession of Faith (the very foundation of Presbyterianism), there is both a chapter on Predestination AND Free Will.

​@@davevandervelde4799Nah you're still holding up a salvation that is based on you, your belief has nothing to do with it. The scripture states salvation belongeth unto the Lord. The father made an amnesty with the son NOT MAN least we all perish and the cross be a waste of time.

All GLORY TO GOD!!! Biblical truth will set us free!

What things?

Not yet, but they will be in the end, The scriptures are explicitly clear on this point

Yes God knows who are His. But He gave us free will to believe or not believe. He loved judas but knew he would betray Him. It was written in prophecy. Praise Praise God Our Lord and Savior because I know what I deserve. ❤ Thank you Christ Jesus for forgiveness 🙏

Dear friend, all men everywhere are commanded to repent but only those appointed will. Acts 13:48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

@@matthewmonteith6292 That is what scripture says. So are men unwilling to repent or are they unable to repent? According to scripture.

@AVB2 What does unwilling mean?

@@matthewmonteith6292 What end of story? 😆😆😆 You've missed out the other half 🙄 Tell me then what was the point of the Cross?

@@mrnoedahl Christ is your repentance

All “pas” is some Jews and Gentiles from everywhere. Not every single person. Everyone drawn is saved John 6:44. Context of John 12 is Greeks seeking Jesus and Jesus did not meet with them. Jesus then said we will draw all “pas”. Men is not in the text. Jesus will draw all which is some Jews and Gentiles. Context. If Jesus draws every single person then everyone would be saved because everyone drawn is saved. John 6:44. All is not every single person but some of every tribe and tongue.

@@christianvideos9446 Except it says , ALL.

@@minshullmisako Then why aren't "ALL" men saved?

@@jlandles John 3:18 (Jesus speaking) "He that believeth on Him is not condemned, but he that believeth not is condemned already because he hath not believed in the name of the name of the only begotten Son of God... " Looks pretty clear that if man rejects Jesus Christ he is condemned. What does that say about the chief priests, scribes and Pharisees who had Him crucified? BTW, on the day of Pentacost, where is it mentioned that man was too depraved to obey the Gospel? In Acts 2:37 "... Now when they heard THIS, they were pricked in THEIR heart, and said unto Peter and TO the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin, and ye shall receive the Holy Ghost... " If man is so depraved and unable to respond to the gospel, why would these Jews need Jesus to the point of believing in Jesus name for salvation? Total depravity is false with it's premises. PERIOD!

Timothy , read Acts 13:48 , who ends up believing there ?

It's total heresy.

@@Tommythecat007the Bible teaches it over and over again, how is it total heresy?

@@kylebyron8637 no the following is what the Bible teaches when I've put these verses to the Calvinist not one has replied or explained them as exclusive yet, if you can you will be the first. Lamentations 3:31-33 For no one is cast off by the Lord forever.(to portray some will be, is clearly deemed heresy with one verse already, and the rest of the verse here explains why)Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing LOVE. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone. 1 Timothy 4:10 That is why we labour and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL people, and especially of those who believe. 1 Corinthians 15:22For just as in Adam ALL die, so also in Christ ALL will be made alive. Just as the result of one trespass was condemnation of ALL men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for ALL men.” (Rom. 5:18) Jesus is “able even to subdue ALL things to Himself.” (Phil. 3:21) Jesus came “that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times he might gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works ALL things according to the counsel of HIS WILL.” (Eph. 1:10, 11) The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering towards us, NOT WILLING that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) ALL shall know the Lord, from the least of them to the greatest of them.” (Heb. 8:11) Mercy shall triumph over judgment.” (James 2:13) EVERY creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and ALL that are in them, I heard saying: blessing and honour and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever.” (Rev. 5:13) Through the greatness of your power your enemies shall submit themselves to you. ALL the earth shall worship You and sing praises to you.” (Ps. 66:3, 4) For I will NOT contend forever, Nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would fail before Me, And the souls which I have made.” (Isaiah 57:16) Psalm 103:9 “He will not always accuse, nor will He stay angry forever.” There is no God besides Me, a just God and Saviour; there is none besides Me. Look to Me and be saved, ALL you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself; the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to me EVERY knee shall bow, EVERY tongue shall take an oath. He shall say, surely in the Lord I have righteousness and strength. To Him men shall come, and ALL shall be ashamed who are incensed against Him. In the Lord all the descendants of Israel shall be justified and shall glory.” (Isaiah 45:21-25) Philippians 2: 9-11 9Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, 10that at the name of Jesus EVERY knee should bow, In heaven and on earth and under the earth,11and EVERY tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, To the glory of God the Father. In this mountain the Lord of Hosts will make for ALL people a feast of choice pieces, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of well-refined wines on the lees. And he shall destroy on this mountain the surface of the covering cast over ALL nations. He will swallow up death forever, and the Lord will wipe away tears from ALL faces.” (Isaiah 25:6-8) Of those who crucified Him (which is all of us) Jesus declared: “Father forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) But God would not take away a life; He would devise plans so that the one banished from Him DOES NOT remain banished.” 2 Sam. 14:14 Jonah 2:4-6 I said, ‘I have been banished from your sight; yet I will look again toward your holy temple.’ 5 The engulfing waters threatened me,[b] the deep surrounded me; seaweed was wrapped around my head. 6 To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in FOREVER (really I don't remember Jonah being in the whale forever) But you, LORD my God, brought my life up from the pit. Jesus says: “I pass judgment on no one.” [John 8:15] 4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5He saved us(past tense), not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to HIS MERCY, through the washing of new birth. (Born again)Titus3: 3-6 For God has consigned ALL to disobedience, that he may have mercy on ALL. Romans 11:32 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself ALL things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through HIS BLOOD, shed on the cross. Colossians 1:19-20 Ephesians 1:9-10 9 making known[a] to us the mystery of HIS WILL according to HIS PURPOSE, which HE set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite All things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. Look you can change the word All and EVERY to SOME or MANY or a certain group if you want to. But after a robust inclusion of all scripture I would have to conclude that clearly YOU ARE NOT INLINE WITH THE WILL OF GOD If God loves everybody why would he leave some out, What so the ones he didn't choose he didn't love (hardly scriptural) you can see that just doesn't make any sense at all even under our human understanding of love, even though ours is partial at times.

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They are both heretical then is that what you are saying? If so I agree, they are obviously exclusive gospels and therefore must be deemed as heresy.

It's probably one of the most shallow scripture orientated sermons I've ever heard. And that's putting it mildly

@@Tommythecat007brother… is your goal to ultimately run line by line, comment by comment and be a busy body? Your actions and comments shine a light on where your heart is. If your goal is to win anyone over with correction, you’ve failed miserably. Your heretical approach to scripture is backed up by your anger filled zeal to be a busy body. Surrender to Jesus, and first remove the plank from your own eye before trying so hard to remove the plank from each and every message and comment on every sermon. My heart breaks for you

@@chrisrock364 whatever take your condescending prideful attitude elsewhere, perhaps you could save it for those who unfortunately didn't get chosen.🙄🙄 Very sad I mean when was love ever a heresy

@@Tommythecat007 you poor angry man :(

@@chrisrock364 🤣☺️

Its not the audible but effectual calling. Predestination by unconditional election. Not the modern-day evangelical charismatic self-determination salvationalist Arminianist way conditional election.

Partial unconditional election is not love you've got the wrong God. Sadly John preachers total heresy.

@brianbrodie8331 Love? What do you know about love. According to God you're dead in sins and trespasses and are at enmity with God. That's what God says.

@@Tommythecat007 c my reply

​@@HonrbleMentionLook even the atheist knows what love is capable and not capable of. Its sin that has bound men in enmity with God. Read the scriptures man was made in the image of God. This is not rocket science

Calvinism is Satanic. That's the Truth.

It's one of the worse sermons I've ever heard it negates so much scripture that John could never be taken seriously

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Phenomenal🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 men made doctrine

No, I never noticed. But I did notice the contempt in your comment.

​@@wataboutya9310nothing like the contempt shown by this John MacArthur, you've got to wonder where he's coming from.

Yep Calvinism is more or less a heresy that has God in a matchbox Remember the absence at a time of mercy and grace does not quantify an absence of love that's where they all go wrong. One only has to read the story and the history of Israel. 19:01

@@Tommythecat007 You just don`t want to swallow your pride, do you?

"Who is this that gives counsel without knowledge"?

Which ones are saved?

@@Tommythecat007 THE ONCE WHO RECEIVED THE FAITH FROM LORD GOD AND REPENT IN HONESTY FROM THEY'RE SINS ( THE FAITH IS ONLY RECEIVED FROM LORD GOD IS NOT OURSELVES. FAITH. IF IS OURSELVES IS CREDULITY NOT FAITH ) WITH ALL RESPECT FOR TRUTH AND KNOWLEDGE

@@cristiandumitrana6510 The problem is you've missed out the Cross completely John MacArthur is embedded in heresy. He preachs an exclusive ungodly gospel, and he makes little to no sense when tested by the scriptures.

Spiritually dead. Yes absolutely that suppression the truth of God

@@jeremynethercutt206 I think you need to read Romans 1:21 again. It says they knew God. Just like Cain knew God, but he rejected Gods word of warning. Read Genesis 4:6,7

@@mrnoedahl you are correct, this is true and I don’t disagree with you on that , Paul is speaking on ,which we have today , many who suppress the truth of God, the do not live for or glorify him or his word. This shows the depravity of man, this is rebellion against the essence of God himself. He was so paitent and compassionate with myself before he drew myself to him, I lived this life of rebellion before he ransomed me. I completely understand this. We have many living in this futile way still today. The reject the gospel. GOD IS slow to anger with them and eventually on his decree he can harden their hearts or open their hearts, that is the power or God. I believe we are ALL spiritually dead until he changes our hearts. We are born into sin and love our sin and naturally love the world until he saves us. We are fallen men and woman Jesus came to bear the sins of fallen men and woman and offer his life as a sacrifice in our place. The gospel reveals and declares DIVINE INTERVENTION into a hopeless world. Men and woman do not want to admit their desperation , their need for a savior and their must be offer for their sin, if they don’t accept Christ they will not be forgiven, will not be reconciled with Christ , they will not receive eternal life, the will experience complete separation from God , the grace and common love the have now of breath and evil being withheld will not be any longer. Only Christ can change that, his death satisfies the demands of Gods justice against sinners. - not sure where we disagree, Is it a total depravity of man that you reject or that we are spiritually dead until God changes our hearts?

Nothing wrong with saying Calvin agreed with scripture.

@@jodyel l find too many are obsessed with calvin--- they either hate him or adore him. To be right with scriptures we shouldn't worry so much about man's opinion. Why go to hell trusting in ANY man or woman ?

@@Over-for-now Well, if one agrees with Calvin then one agrees with Scripture. So no one would be going to hell for agreeing with him. I do find it is either a love or hate proposition when his name is mentioned though, so we agree on that. Sproul mentions Luther quite a bit, so they all have their chosen person, I guess. It doesn't bother me as it gives me an opportunity to learn about church fathers and what they believed and compare that to Scripture. I am fine with it.

@@jodyel Well, that's how you feel and that's fine. My opinion as a believer is we make too much of man. Let God be true and every man a liar --- the Bible says I don't need calvin because I don't even know if he WAS SAVED. I know God wants us to HEAR Paul's gospel given to him by Jesus himself. God's chosen vessel to bring the mystery gospel to the gentiles. Thank God for THAT truth

@@Over-for-now Good grief, get over yourself.

What needs to be deconstructed are the worldly ideologies. Derrida needs deconstructing, he knew he was totally vulnerable to his own system as a Marxist. Deconstruct Marx and neo Marxism for one. And it falls apart. It is a ideology of bondage.

The Gospel cannot be deconstructed. It stands apart from the secular gospels. Its not secular. The main complaint is how it could be lived in this world born outside the will of God. Only through Christ.

@@pierrelabounty9917 What are secular gospels? The point of my post was someone saying they don't need a savior, and that's their reason for leaving Christianity.

True it's ridiculous

No he was saved at the cross.

Not sure which Bible you're reading the Bible is explicitly clear that all men will choose to believe in the end

Philippians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

I always told my children and my brother's and sister's in christ.that it takes god.to please GOD.Amen.

First Corinthians 15:1-4. The gospel Paul preached. Galatians 1:6-9. Anyone who preaches any other gospel, LET THEM BE ACCURSED. First John 5:13. We are all born with a measure of faith. It is where we place our faith that saves sinners. Romans 4:5 Faith is not a work. And the GIFT of God is ETERNAL life, not faith and not a reward for good behavior but a free gift. Paid in full. John 3:18. John 3:16. Ephesians 1:13-14. Ephesians 4:30. Our guarantee of eternal life.

Please read Romans 8:28, 29, 30 and Ephesians 1:5 and Ephesians 1:11, dear Siegfried! It obviously was not God's intention to tell of predestination at that point earlier, just as He kept hidden this entire dispensation of grace until He was ready to reveal it through Apostle Paul! See Ephesians 3:2!❤

For them He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to become conformed to the image of His Son. God knew before the foundation of the world who would believe on Jesus for the free gift of eternal life, and who would not. Romans 6:23. John 1:12. John 3:18. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. First John 2:2 We are predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son at the resurrection. When we will be transformed into the likeness of Him who saved us. First Corinthians 15:51-53. We shall be changed and this mortal shall put on immortality.

No where do I hear him say anything other Jesus came to pay that penalty. Christ came into the world to save sinners, (“of which I am the worst” said Paul). John says those who have the son have life, but those who do not have the son are already condemned. John 3:18 That verse is just after 3:16 that no one seems to want to finish.

@@raising5kiddos Calvinists claim Jesus didn't die for all. Bible teaches Christ died for ALL Mankind.

@@endtimesareuponus8930 everyone is dead already and that’s the main point. Don’t you see that? God has to provide a way where there wasn’t one before. Christ did die for everyone but not everyone is a child of God and accepts the son’s payment for their sin. Do you think God isn’t just? His ways are not our ways. And if he chooses some and not others it in no way makes God unjust. It’s just something that as a human you and I will never understand why God does some things.

Let's study Macarthur's verse in its entire context. Then we'll find God does not choose people out of a hat to save. Truth: God has predestined for all those who believe the Gospel to be saved. Unbelievers are not given to the Son; the Father only gives those who believe to the Son. John 6:63-69 KJV … *_the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life._* [64] But there are *_some of you that believe not._* For *_Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not,_* … [65] … *_Therefore_* said I unto you, that *_no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father._* [66] From that time *_many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him._* [67] Then said Jesus unto the twelve, *_Will ye also go away?_* [68] Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? *_thou hast the words of eternal life._* [69] And *_we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God._*

​@@raising5kiddosThank you. 😉

There is prescriptive text and descriptive. Start there

The question is were we capable of receiving Christ before or after God began the work of regeneration? In Ephesians 2 it says we were dead, a dead person cannot receive Christ. In the next verse after your reference it days we were not born of the will of man but of God. Even though many of us can point to a time and place we made a decision, I believe God was at work regenerating our hearts before we reached that point. Thus Even though we chose to follow God, God first chose us.

Who cares what Augustine, Pelagius, Calvin or any other man-made doctrine thinks? Total depravity is totally false, and so is JM.

@@nigelowen4262 your comment is short of truth because you forgot to add that one must wear Nike yellow shoes, with a green Nike 👕... Just like you, I can twist a scripture to say anything I wish to make my paradigm work. But just like your above statement from that text as from pre-faith regeneration from Ephesians is untrue, so would my assertions on what to wear to be elect is likewise untrue. You are deceived and being deceived. Scripture does not lie, but calvinists live to lie!!!

@@timothyhodges705 your comment also appears to be short on truth. If you care that I am deceived and being lied to then you would have put more details in your reply.

John 12:32 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Fair enough comment, its just that John doesn't preach love at all and it's not healthy for the people listening. Anyone who preaches any exclusive gospel like this, negates the cross and love, and is blinded into nothing short of a cult. I believe John is saved and loved by God like everyone else but it's just sad he doesn't or cannot believe this for his fellow man.

I can see where you get your thinking from but I have studied this topic of salvation for many many hours with no bias. I have to be blunt here that I find Calvinism and Arminianism to be a false exclusive gospel that only serve to disparage and negate the cross and mercy of God. He only gospel that gives the full glory to God is universalism universal salvation or some people may call it universal reconciliation. Here's what the scripture actually says literally, to hold to Calvinism or Arminian you would have to completely deny the following scriptures and more it is not possible, and I for one am not willing to do that. Lamentations 3:31-33 For no one is cast off by the Lord forever.(You seem to portray some will be, so any some will be theory is deemed heresy with one verse already)Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone. 1 Timothy 4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. 1 Corinthians 15:22For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. Just as the result of one trespass was condemnation of all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.” (Rom. 5:18) Jesus is “able even to subdue all things to Himself.” (Phil. 3:21) Jesus came “that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will.” (Eph. 1:10, 11) The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering towards us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) All shall know the Lord, from the least of them to the greatest of them.” (Heb. 8:11) Mercy shall triumph over judgment.” (James 2:13) Every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever.” (Rev. 5:13) Through the greatness of your power your enemies shall submit themselves to you. all the earth shall worship You and sing praises to you.” (Ps. 66:3, 4) For I will not contend forever, Nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would fail before Me, And the souls which I have made.” (Isaiah 57:16) There is no God besides Me, a just God and Savior; there is none besides Me. Look to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself; the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall take an oath. He shall say, surely in the Lord I have righteousness and strength. To Him men shall come, and all shall be ashamed who are incensed against Him. In the Lord all the descendants of Israel shall be justifed and shall glory.” (Isaiah 45:21-25) Philippians 2: 9-11 9Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, In heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, To the glory of God the Father. In this mountain the Lord of Hosts will make for all people a feast of choice pieces, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of well-refined wines on the lees. And he shall destroy on this mountain the surface of the covering cast over all nations. He will swallow up death forever, and the Lord will wipe away tears from all faces.” (Isaiah 25:6-8) Of those who crucified Him (which is all of us) Jesus declared: “Father forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) But God would not take away a life; He would devise plans so that the one banished from Him does not remain banished.” 2 Sam. 14:14 Jesus says: “I pass judgment on no one.” [John 8:15] 4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5He saved us(past tense), not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to HIS MERCY, through the washing of new birth. (Born again)Titus3: 3-6 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. Romans 11:32 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. Colossians 1:19-20 Ephesians 1:9-10 9 making known[a] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

@@Tommythecat007 with all do respect you have no context within these verses my friend , they mean something much more and to a specific audience when you read the passages We were given books and letters , not verses.

You can’t stay consistent with universalism, it can pick out verses and say here look, but you can’t interpret the entirety of scripture and be consistent . It’s a logically fallacy GOD bless brother

@@jeremynethercutt206 But you must stay consistent with Love. Scripture states God is love I'm not too sure how you can take that out of context and that's where the exclusiveness of Arminianism and Calvinism fail. You would need to convince me then of what the cross/mercy was for and it's purpose which no Calvinist has been able to do yet. In fact alarmingly it hardly gets a mention!🙄 The Calvinist view negates the blood and finished work of Christ at the cross. An exclusive salvation obviously does not need the cross. I'm sorry brother we have to differ there I consider Calvinism a heresy. Your explanation of the context of the scriptures I mentioned is really not even really worth considering. You see Calvinism and Arminianism are based on cherry picked scriptures that are obviously open to interpretation that's where the discretion of love as stated in Matthew 5 has to come in to context. Sadly this context which is the pivotal theme throughout the love story of the Bible is negated by Calvinism. Universalism or universal salvation/universal reconciliation is based on clear literal scripture. When you read or interpret some debatable scriptures which are obviously open to interpretation relating ie relating to the sovereignty of God or the free will of man to counteract and override the will mercy and character of love/God then you can be assured you are following a heresy. I am flabbergasted to believe that if anyone does a full study of the scriptures how they could possibly ever believe in such a theology as Calvinism, just not possible. It's what I call God in a matchbox Blessings

Well the only reason the silly debates exists is because both sides hold to an exclusive Gospel. If one is to read all scpriture they most certainly will conclude both Arminianism and Calvinism as false and nothing more than a disparagement of the mercy of God and both based on pride. The Gospel is inclusive.

​@brianbrodie8331 Heresy. Jesus himself fenced off the scribes and pharisees, calling them a brood of vipers, not of his flock, and open sepulchers. Among other passages, we read in Romans 8 that those whom God foreknew are the same as those whom are glorified. The language is specific to those, not general. It is not a matter of pride, sir, but a matter of faithfulness to the Scripture. Jesus himself said all whom the Father had given to him would come to him. At the same time, no one is able to come to him unless he has been drawn by the Father. To find a universal drawing is to read into the Scripture one's own bias and tradition because it clearly is not written there.

True I mean he can't be serious😂

True... And why would God help some but not some others... That would make a mockery of the cross.

According to John McArthur who seems knows the character of God better than stated in scripture 😮🙄🥴

No, that’s not what it means. If you are willing it’s because of God. There is no one who is willing. There are none who seek for God. So if anyone is seeking God it’s because of God.

No is willing, that is the point. If God does not ressurect the spiritually dead, they will never be willing.

Read your Bible for crying out loud...

So are all men saved.

​@@dinoboihereyep that's explicitly clearly stated in the scripture itself. I mean what was the point of the cross.

”By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.“ ‭‭1 John‬ ‭4‬:‭13‬

I have assurance because I know my salvation is of God and not by my works or will. I know I am elect because I confess with my mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in my heart that God raised Him from the dead.

But why isn't everyone going to be saved. Whose fault is it?

@Ben Jones God said he wants all men to be saved. Do you know what verse that is? It is you who is questioning God. You and Calvin want just a piece of the population to be saved. Whereas God desires all to obtain eternal life. He said "whosoever" believeth shall be saved. Questioning rather than accepting God and His fair and impartial process of salvation could make people anti-God.

@Ben Jones It's not I who said he wants all men saved. 1 Timothy 2:1-4 says, "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for ALL MEN; For kings, and for ALL that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have ALL MEN to be SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." The verses you mentioned doesn't speak about God's direct will to have all men saved. Those are descriptions telling us that MANY will indeed choose to believe and obey and therefore, be saved. Those verses you gave reflect the reality that even though God desires salvation for everyone, some men will choose evil and darkness. God clearly wants all men saved. He is unlike Calvin. Because of Calvin, there are people who began to think we have an unjust Creator, leading them to atheism. I am not happy to say that at all.

@Ben Jones It's not I who said he wants all men saved. 1 Timothy 2:1-4 says, "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for ALL MEN; For kings, and for ALL that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have ALL MEN to be SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." The verses you mentioned don't speak about God's direct will to have all men saved. Those are descriptions telling us that MANY will indeed choose to believe and obey and therefore, be saved. Those verses you gave reflect the reality that even though God desires salvation for everyone, some men will choose evil and darkness. God clearly wants all men saved. He is unlike Calvin. Because of Calvin, there are people who began to think we have an unjust Creator, leading them to atheism. I am not happy to say that at all.

@@blake8820 We agree on the basics of Christianity. When it comes to the requirements to salvation, we have similarities too, I guess. I believe in free salvation, according to Ephesians. But I also believe what Paul and Jesus are saying and that is salvation has to be maintained through good works, endurance, virtue, patience and so on. I believe every verse in the bible. We all should so we could end these disagreements and move on to perfection.

No the Bible is explicitly clear that all are saved in the end

@@Tommythecat007where does it say that please?

​​​@Eternitypraise Lamentations 3:31-33 For no one is cast off by the Lord forever.(to portray some will be, is clearly deemed heresy with one verse already, and the rest of the verse here explains why)Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing LOVE. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone. 1 Timothy 4:10 That is why we labour and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of ALL people, and especially of those who believe. 1 Corinthians 15:22For just as in Adam ALL die, so also in Christ ALL will be made alive. Just as the result of one trespass was condemnation of ALL men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for ALL men.” (Rom. 5:18) Jesus is “able even to subdue ALL things to Himself.” (Phil. 3:21) Jesus came “that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times he might gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works ALL things according to the counsel of HIS WILL.” (Eph. 1:10, 11) The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering towards us, not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) ALL shall know the Lord, from the least of them to the greatest of them.” (Heb. 8:11) Mercy shall triumph over judgment.” (James 2:13) EVERY creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and ALL that are in them, I heard saying: blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever.” (Rev. 5:13) Through the greatness of your power your enemies shall submit themselves to you. ALL the earth shall worship You and sing praises to you.” (Ps. 66:3, 4) For I will NOT contend forever, Nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would fail before Me, And the souls which I have made.” (Isaiah 57:16) There is no God besides Me, a just God and Savior; there is none besides Me. Look to Me and be saved, ALL you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself; the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to me EVERY knee shall bow, EVERY tongue shall take an oath. He shall say, surely in the Lord I have righteousness and strength. To Him men shall come, and ALL shall be ashamed who are incensed against Him. In the Lord all the descendants of Israel shall be justifed and shall glory.” (Isaiah 45:21-25) Philippians 2: 9-11 9Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, 10that at the name of Jesus EVERY knee should bow, In heaven and on earth and under the earth,11and EVERY tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, To the glory of God the Father. In this mountain the Lord of Hosts will make for ALL people a feast of choice pieces, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of well-refined wines on the lees. And he shall destroy on this mountain the surface of the covering cast over ALL nations. He will swallow up death forever, and the Lord will wipe away tears from ALL faces.” (Isaiah 25:6-8) Of those who crucified Him (which is all of us) Jesus declared: “Father forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) But God would not take away a life; He would devise plans so that the one banished from Him DOES NOT remain banished.” 2 Sam. 14:14 Jesus says: “I pass judgment on no one.” [John 8:15] 4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5He saved us(past tense), not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to HIS MERCY, through the washing of new birth. (Born again)Titus3: 3-6 For God has consigned ALL to disobedience, that he may have mercy on ALL. Romans 11:32 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself ALL things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through HIS BLOOD, shed on the cross. Colossians 1:19-20 Ephesians 1:9-10 9 making known[a] to us the mystery of HIS WILL, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite All things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. 3:08

@believe, if you ARE saved , God chose you. We CANNOT take ANY glory to ourselves. He will not share HIS glory with anyone

This is kind of a parody of Calvinistic thoughts. Not trully accurate. But a response to how he has been interpreted. Kind of like how a message can be changed every more slightly from person to person. I am not sure he would recognize his own theology by how he has been interpreted. Kind of like " False news". Same happened with Arminian theology..He is free ,who the Son sets free. Freedom of will is a humanist central feature. The reformers were all influenced by this humanist notion. It would take a deeper look into this view to really share its implications. Good view for rennaissance man, getting out from under the yoke of the Roman Catholic tutelage. Free to decide for yourself, to explore, to ask further questions and decide what's best. And don't we try to find what's best by nature in the city of worldly delights. I think of Bunyan a little.

He is sovereign. We are not. We need help. He comes to help. He made us, not we ourselves in being and compactly. Best to refer to our Maker.

Where did you get this notion. Arminius wouldn't have even gone this far.

Overcome what! Can't be sin because Christ did that there is no scripture to say otherwise. You probably need to read a lot more scripture about being banished blotted out cut off etc It is never to the point where you can't be reinstated and reconciled, this is clearly shown in multiple scriptures. Not too sure where you are making your assumptions from without reading appropriate scripture. You can't just take a couple of verses and make a conclusion lol You should read the story of Jonah where he says the Lord has put him in the whale and the depths of the sea FOREVER.... Funny thing is I don't remember at the end of this account, where he was actually in the Whale forever?

You are the very type of evil individual that JMAC very truthfully has described. True believers can and should only pray for YOU. YOU only want to be worshipped in the place of GOD.

True it's a very sad case of the likes of him and the late RC Sproul. As two of the main preachers of Calvinism they both seem quite incapable of being accepted and loved for some reason. It's like they intellectualize the scripture to be exclusive because of unforgiveness and need to get someone back for some reason and therefore are not seemingly capable of believing love to be impartial. It's sad but disturbing that in their preaching love and the true purpose of the cross barely get a mention😮. I don't judge him but I can't agree with what he preaches and I think it's quite restricting and not healthy for anyone who listens to him as his gospel is not the gospel of Christ.

Satan loves Calvinism, remember Jesus said Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy, what better way could he use to blind so many.

Ha. So who are the writers (evangelists, apostles) addressing in the letters and the gospels?

@@2Corinthians5.21 1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. Who is mentioned here.

@@mrnoedahl who world is not literally the whole world or else everyone would be saved. That is a literary expression known as a synedoche, which means a whole to represent many parts. If the whole world is meant to be saved then why is there hell and who is sent to hell? The sin or the sinner?

Look at John 6:37 and John 6:44

@@2Corinthians5.21 What must I do to be saved?

Richardgarcia3562, agreed, just keep reading. Context will fall right into place.

Exactly