The Sith Empire that Never Was: How they Screwed Up the Biggest Adv they Ever Had - Sith History #11 

sometimes you just to have to take a hands off approach to your businesses 🤷‍♂

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Just one of the reasons why I love them.

Make long plans to victory, focus mainly on "What I want" then stop planning.

True words

Scourge acknowledged this too in the book. He admired the jedi for fighting for a cause bigger than themselves

That's the point... selfishness, hate, fear, etc. all lead to destruction

Compare this to capitalism and you got yourself a conundrum.

It is because the fact is that sith ideology is simply incompatible with a stable society and empire for that matter .A sith empire is simply not capable of having a stable and prosperous society .And whilst capitalism has its faults ,at the very least it is nothing compared to the depravity and degeneracy of the sith ideology .It simply is ridiculous to compare the two

The 300 year stasis is why people don’t like it. We should have gotten KOTOR 3 instead of SWTOR. It never should have been an MMO.

It wouldn't have been hated had the MMO became an Infinities storyline instead.

The Sith Empire of KOTOR3 would've been way more horrifying and dangerous then the Sith Empire we got in SWTOR, apparently they all would've been Nihilus-on-Steroids kind of Sith.

Yeah, I generally ignore SWTOR for my headcanon.

@@stevenschnepp576 It's what I'm doing for a Star Wars DND campaign with my friends. I compiled everything I could find about KOTOR 3 from dev quotes and fan speculation and mixed it with the elements that were basically in SWTOR. I'm basically rewriting SWTOR for my friends and setting it 300 years earlier. I read Tales of the Jedi, the KOTOR comics, Dark Empire (It has a lot of Old Republic lore and is the foundation of that era), and played KOTOR 1 and 2 for inspiration on what could be done in this unexplored time frame.

Brothers, in many ways.

If only they did the same to Revan and the Jedi Exile. Seriously am tired of hearing of Revan as always a Light Sided Male all the time, and also the inanity that is "Meetra Surik" to the JE.

@michaelandreipalon359 It’s called having a canon storyline. Revan and Meetra Surik are their own characters outside of KOTOR, so of course they don’t play around using their actual names, because they were too impactful to remain the anonymous player character. Plus the only reason player characters are given titles in the first place is so that dialogue can make sense because the voice actors can’t record every possible name the player could choose.

He makes Palpatine look like a tinpot by comparison.

Nihilus + Sidious = Vitiate

@@Official_Kayde_Games + a little more evil on top

nah difference is he wanted to just be immortal, sidious wanted everything and everyone under his control forever

@@celestialyagg804 And he wanted to be immortal. Because instead of following the Rule of Two like Sith before him, he established the Rule of One. Where he would remain sole Ruler. He may have taken apprentices but he always made sure that they weren’t taught enough to overthrow him.

Slave isn’t much of a job opportunity 😂

he went insane after the centuries of torture so i don't rlly hold it against him. the revan we know would never.

That hurt a little. Two warriors, who've seen the rot and corruption and have two different paths to sort it, destined to clash until one of them finally dies, much to the regret of the other.

Bro it’s an empire. It was ruled by a select group of elites based on strength. It never was progressive.

I don't know much about this True Sith Empire, but it seems to be a civilization that was initially founded on an evil religion and morally corruptive magic, but which was made up of real people, and was large enough and stuck around for long enough that the efforts of those people to improve themselves and their society actually led to positive change. People began realizing the practical values of virtues and eventually pushing for their large-scale adoption, while other people took the religious idea of believing in something greater than themselves and shifted it until the thing they believed in was actually worth believing in, and still others decided that true patriotism meant trying to correct their nations flaws, not blind loyalty. All of this makes the system less hostile to those people with some understanding of morality, leading to them growing in numbers and in power, further transforming the society they live in. Maybe I should play this game at some point, because that seems like a pretty interesting setting.

@@samueldimmock694 yes the true sith were an evil cult of dark siders led by darth vitiate who wanted to destroy life itself. The empire however changed for the better after they overthrew Vitiate and his cultists.

Dude, when start splitting hairs about slaves, at least have rights now, need take serious look at what you’re saying 😂 They were all garbo, and evil as sin.

@@PutYourQuarterUpGaming The point is that if the liberation of slaves is not an option, then giving the slaves certain rights is required to happen.

Sith are evil.

@@jmgonzales7701---Yes and Revan's been both Jedi and Sith.

But you do beat him in the Imperial campaign

@@leonardomarquesbellini1.5 times

I've never played SWTOR so

Revan is overrated

Another moral to Revan's story is: 'You either die a hero or live long enough to watch yourself become the Villain' If you're a republic character and freed Revan, in the Shadow of Revan Expansion your character can respond :' he/She freed Revan from the Maelstrom Prison and heared he died not long afterward.' so the Empire beaten Revan anyway in the foundry, he swore he would crush the Sith Empire, but he din't live long enough to even try... Revan also refers to his killers in the foundry as 'The Emperor's Followers' so if a Imperial Player team din't defeat revan there, "Followers of the Emperor" would have.

Isn't everyone in the Star Wars realms?

facts, here's hoping we get jedi history after sith history

(Although Revan doesn't stay dead. He comes back in Story of Revan, and yet again in the finale against the Emperor. Just as Malgus originally dies in "False Emperor" Flashpoint after Ilum, and comes back on Ossus and is imprisoned on whichever Fleet your character is from and still is there as of 7.3 updates). And Vitiate/Tenebrae/Valkorian also have a nasty habit of returning from the dead. And... in the movies.... Somehow Palpatine returns. At least in EU, Palpatine's return is explained in a way that doesn't make Vader's sacrifice meaningless. So... in Star Wars, people have a way of popping back from death. Not to mention Force Ghosts (Jedi) and Force Apparitions (Sith tho are usually confined to areas near their tombs).

The formidable foes sliced his recording

@@Bluepizza1684it was the _ATTENTION! SERGEANT ON DECK!_ guy - Geetz didn’t finish the monologue before the Sergeant entered the deck & that dude’s ONE job is to announce it.

I believe at that point, the Jedi Knight playable character killed the Emperor and Revan's dark side was trying to bring him back. While Revan's dark side was stopped, the Emperor was actually brought back, leading directly into the events of the Eternal Empire expansion. The EE was something Vitiate worked beforehand as a pastime, but it was after the Shadow of Revan expansion he committed to it fully.

My knowledge is sizable, but believe me, I treat this MMO as Infinities-style apocrypha, so I don't include it in my personal Legends records.

Vitiate split himself in 3. Make it work in your head from there and you're good. Vitiate's a plot device disguised as an extremely overpowered Darth Sidious knock off.

@@michaelandreipalon359 Oh were allowed to make our own personalized records now. If you'll excuse me, I have the entire Clone Wars(both versions) to try and make a record of. lol.

@@XXMatt0040XX So basically Sidious from Episode 9. XD.

It's even funnier the 2nd time?

And they usually come with a hell of a lot of morally questionable, often outright heinous, deeds that make the falling apart of these systems even worse.