I’ve always said that the inquisitors are a perfect representation of how the Sith were before the time of the rule of two. Always constantly trying to one up each other even if that means compromising the groups success.
@@kaimagnus5760 That said, Palpatine training a bunch of dark-side peons that would never be granted the secrets of the Sith and would never be able to overthrow them (but might prove a source of promising new Apprentices over time?). It's a pretty fantastic way for the Sith to have their cake and eat it too. I guess he was inspired by the way both he and Dooku kept non-Sith scrub pupils around while their own Masters were still technically alive.
@@OneTrueNobody I've always thought that it was practical for the Sith Master to always look for new Apprentices. If the current Apprentice wants to keep his position he has to keep getting stronger to fight off the rivals. And if The Rival wins then the old apprentice just proved they weren't worthy enough to be a Dark Lord of The Sith. For The Master it's a win-win. Meanwhile, you don't want to end up like Sidius and be a Master with no Apprentice because your Master's Death wasn't planned accordingly. So good to keep potential future apprentices on the back burner just in case you become the new master unexpectedly.
Even in the Plagius novel, he runs into a "backup" apprentsnce his master had lying around. The rule of 2 was al3ays more ofna guide line than an actual rule.
@@ianmckee4726 well to be fair Sidious was still the "official" (as official as a shadow cabal can possibly be) apprentice. So there were only one master and one apprentice.
"There is no passion…there is solely obsession. There is no knowledge. There is solely conviction. There is no purpose. There is solely will. There is nothing… Only me." - The Creed of Ruin
Darth Ruin was certainly an interesting Sith. He was such a narcissist that he got killed not long after he became a Sith Lord, but his legacy spanned over 1 thousand years. I can imagine Darth Bane and other Rule of Two Sith spoke very poorly about Darth Ruin during the era of the Rule of Two.
Perhaps, but Bane spent 10yrs sitting next to an evil lake throwing tsntrums while workijg on his journal, so he has no right to give Ruin lip. Besides, Ruin saved the Sith from dying off entirely, just like Revan or Exar Kun.
@@OneTrueNobody yes but legends is exactly the name we decided to use for what is not canon and yet with Disney decanonisation of material we now have, truly, a legends canon
Darth Ruin is a good contender for dumbest Sith of all time. Darth Rivan is another contender. Named himself after a mistranslation of a famous Sith Lord. Used a powerful staff to destroy the Jedi, only for it to backfire and transport him to the Battle of Ruusan some 200 years later. Then immediately was slain by some random Jedi.
The irony of solipsism, specifically hard solipsism meaning that the individual is the only extant being, is that even if it's true it's both wildly impractical and completely useless. Exactly as Darth Ruin demonstrates: regardless of the ultimate "objective" reality, our experiences include seemingly autonomous agents around us and cooperation with them is both practical and in a certain sense necessary.
I always found it funny how the Sith were always the reason the Sith couldn’t have nice things. It’s almost like a death cult militantly dedicated to the philosophy of “fuck you got mine,” was inherently doomed to fail or something 🤔
@@amberkat8147 A bunch of selfish old walking corpses who happily ruin lives and destroy the world for personal gain, will betray each other without a second thought, and only align through a shared hatred of everyone who isn’t them? Yeah that’s vaguely familiar, but I can’t put my finger on it 😜
Darth Ruin had the potential to become the most dangerous Sith who ever lived. The only thing that kept the Galaxy from being thoroughly torn to pieces and destroyed was infighting. The strength of individualism which Ruin instilled into the New Sith could have done so much more damning damage.
Darth Ruin: "I will teach my students that I am the most powerful being in the universe and the only thing stopping them from taking power and ruling the galaxy is me being alive" *gets killed by a student* Darth Ruin: *shocked pickachu face*
@@michaelandreipalon359 I guess those would be Odion Calimondra and Belia Darzu. One REALLY likes killing, the other was so into mechanics she developed a way to turn organic beings into machines she could dismantle?
No, that would be Daiman Calimondra. Guy literally woke up one day and decided he's the creator god of Star Wars universe, and developed an entire theology on how that happened, even making his own (vaguely less) insane brother his Satan counterpart. The Calimondra Family are basically the Targaryens of the Sith, cause they cuckoo even for Sith standards! XD
I'd rather get more bada**, super manipulative Muggles with an admittedly well defined purpose to equal if not surpass so called "Force sensitive supermen", even if it means slow but steady pacification hunts against Jedi, Dark Jedi, etc..
The sith species genocide is literal Darth Vitiate propaganda that has worked in the real world. Very small pockets survived up until even the clone wars.
You have to remember that the Jedi were always quick to assume that the Sith had gone extinct. If there are no Sith causing mayhem, tthen that means that they are probably gone. This happened three or more times, and yet the Jedi never seem to learn.
Guys, I wonder specifically about the gap between Vitiate's Empire and Darth Ruin announcing himself. I don't think there is any material about that part of the timeline, so its more of an intellectual exersize than a question I hope to be answered. That said, seems like that era would be a great opportunity for some semi-origional story-telling. Perhaps something grim-dark since it needs to end with the supposed extinction of the Sith - an all-out mutual genocide war for a few centuries until the Sith have nothing left, yet the Jedi are so wounded by the doings they refrain from seeking loose-ends.
I never really liked darth Ruin. He just felt like another mustache twirling villain Sith lord that is just evil for the sake of being evil. At least with other Sith lords like Darth Sidious they actually had ambition and plans for the galaxy.
Sometimes you need a person who is just batshit crazy. Palps didn't need to be humble because he was a master manipulator. His ONLY downfall was believing Vader was too far gone to save his son.
A meeting between Darth Ruin and Daiman Calimondra would be fucking hilarious. Each of them would argue why only they exist. I'm actually kinda curious as to what Phanius' controversial teachings were while he was a Jedi. I can't imagine anyone in the Jedi Temple taking a Jedi Knight/Master claiming to be God or the only real person seriously without immediately crying out "CODE EXAR KUN! WE GOT A CODE EXAR KUN SITUATION HERE!!!". So I'm guessing his teachings were originally something akin to Kreia's Ubermenschian lessons of trying to convince Padawans to think outside the box and flip the bird at the Jedi Council, before he left the Order and got all Sith-y. I'm still blaming the Jedi for this, cause it's usually always their fault anyway. XD "The Senate was powerless to intervene" should be the name of the Galactic Republic's national anthem! XD Though in this case, I think it was less incompetence and more like "Nope, not getting tangled up in this shit again! This is Ajunta Pall and Exar Kun all over again, and I'm NOT stepping into that minefield over the Jedi's feelings all over again".
It sounds to me that the ‘George Lucas Era’, in-universe, started in 2000BBY. Darth Ruin was originally the first ever Sith, then the New Sith Wars started in 1000BBY. Afterwards, the decimated Republic becomes the Galactic Republic through the Ruusan Reformations, and it stands for a thousand years as the pinnacle of democracy. Later, the Clone Wars becomes the first full-scale war ‘since the formation of the Republic’ (a notion which was also implemented in Legends through the slave rebellion against the Infinite Empire and the founding of the Republic filling in the power vacuum left behind) after the Baneite Sith under the Rule of Two convince the Separatists that the only option is to destroy the Republic to prevent true negations from giving the Separatists what they need that will convince them to return to a Republic that fixes its problems rather than sinking into applauding the reorganization into the Galactic Empire. The era would end with the Return of the Jedi and the Post-Endor Legends era would begin, with a number of George’s writings and ideals still being faithfully used with that strong sense of understanding his intent behind it.
I think it would be very interesting to see Siths post-Episode IX. Darth Tenebrous for example had a secret apprentice Darth Venamis, it would be very interesting if he had another secret apprentice who had survived after Episode IX.
@@Obiwan7100 Hmm, possible, but do note that the Alt-universe Plagueis might not be as influential as his Legends iteration. Kinda like how Quinlan Vos isn't as dark, brooding, and leaning close to the Dark Side.
Yes because the Sith were fractured into various warring states for that millennia until I believe 1010 BBY when Lord Khan shaped them into the Brotherhood of Darkness. Bane was a student of the Brotherhood, but saw they had strayed too far from what the ancient Sith were and it made them weak. He orchestrated their downfall, then picked up the pieces and went into hiding.
@@chrischin_94 yea, I know all about how Bane manipulated the Brotherhood into their own destruction and started the Rule of Two. I just didn’t know exactly what led Kaan to establish his Brotherhood of Darkness
If you are the only one, then everyone is you. And everything is you. Nothing to comquer or master. You enjoy a good relasionship. The drama is that you are inocent, you need to experience to know good from evil.
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Why don't the Sith just turned their militaristic empires into business empires? If they are in control of the galaxy's economy, what the Jedi are going to do about it? Especially, if the Jedi's actions ended up causing a financial crisis or even the economic collapse in the pursuit of the Sith who happened to be the CEOs of their own companies? From a certain point of view, the Sith would have already won.
That’s still not ultimate power. Ultimate power means no opposition in any form, and one can oppose economic control through local actions against a syndicate
@@masonharvath-gerrans832 What's the Republic and the Jedi are going to do? The Sith can starved peoples to dead with their own sanctions and blockades if they wanted to if the Republic and the Jedi tried anything.
@@masonharvath-gerrans832 But it will be pyrrhic victory for the Jedi because they ended up causing a number of political backlashes against them if the economic collapse happened as a result of their pursuit against the Sith.
The thumbnail is a little misleading as there definitely were considerable armies of Sith after him, the last being the renowned Brotherhood of Darkness
Not that this wasn't a great video, like almost always, but shouldn't we have waited to hear this guy's story until presumably two weeks from now when we get to Sith History part 12, since I'm assuming part 11 is the end of Darth Viciouents era.
He was simply a rational thinker and a true skeptic-being sort of nihilistic is a natural result of that. People calling him a narcissist need to cope and sith. He's like the Dr. House of the Sith. Obviously the way he was written by Lucas he was a shallow character and probably also half-finished which might be part of the reason why he didn't end up as the first Sith.
2:33-2:38 With a description of "The Lost" like that, why isn't Xendor (Legions of Lettow Leader) considered part of "The Lost"? He also left The Jedi Order peacefully over philosophical differences. Was he not a Jedi Master, perhaps?
I'm not sure. Might be a bit of inconsistency in Legends since, as the video states the Phantom Menace novelization implied/retconned Darth Ruin into being the first Sith Lord overall, even though Ajunta Pall and pals were a thing...
This was a great video, Geetsly, very interesting, especially with the fact about what Darth Ruin was based off of. I hope this becomes a series about the Lost Twenty, ending with a video on Count Dooku.
When some "non-existent" construct of your conscious mind suddenly plunges a very real, very painful plasma blade through your chest, then has the audacity to continue to exist after your consciousness expires. Guess that theory was disproven! Not that Ruin was alive to discover this.
...With solipsism in mind, at least he's no Claire Stanfield. Baccano! fans would easily care for that. Edit: *whistles* Can't believe aliastheabnormal had the same idea.
May I introduce you to Daiman Calimondra? Guy literally thinks he's the creator god of Star Wars Universe and that nothing existed before he was born. XD
the Sith inability to cooperate in pursuit of mutual benifit has always been their weakness, Darth Marr is the only real exception. A Sith Empire able to see reason and cooperate would be unstoppable without heavy plot magic.
