The Sith Trooper makes zero sense 

@Homer bod

All Disney Star Wars is noncanon for me. But the sith trooper is one of my favorite battlefront soldiers

But the story was so terrible, no one wanted to buy the toys. As a famous Sith Lord once said: Ironic.

@@darthrevan1281 , Sith Lord Igor?

@@darthrevan1281 Ironic indeed

They did make for an awesome Lego battle pack.

Darth Toyranus

That’s because everyone working on the movies really cares about Star Wars except for the people writing the scripts

IT'S KLAUD!!!

That's why they are a "mickey mouse" operation.. lol.

@@lukestarkiller1470 At least the directors and Kathleen Kennedy don't, they care more about a message. KK was the closest person to overseeing this whole thing. I haven't heard of anyone with a role like Kevin Feige for Marvel who was inn charge of making sure the new Star Wars material was working together well, otherwise they'd have said how this trilogy was not being planned out. Thus JJ an Ryan each did their own film, barely connecting them, then JJ had to patch up the damage Ryan did with TLJ and brought Palpatine back in a rushed way just to try and make it seem like his return was the plan all along. No we all could see through it. And even in the end the dedicated Sequel fans were also disappointed, especially the Reylos.

@@TheZamaron Star Wars does have people in charge of making sure everything works together, they’re called the Lucasfilm story group, the problem is that no one let them have any input in the process of writing the sequels

You mean to Ben Swolo?

I just realised that before he turned, Skywalker/Vader’s battalion in the clone wars was the 501st. And then after the purge, he also had the 501st

@@fenncarter7237 *”Within months the 501st gained a well deserved reputation as **_Vader’s Fist._** “*

@@fenncarter7237 You just thought there were two completely different 501sts?

Bone inspired stormtrooper suits? Unless you know something I don't, I'm pretty sure the empire just wanted to keep the same white color and look from the clone troopers when they started having stormtrooper armor mass produced by I believe Kwat. Little did they know clone armor wasnt white, but rainbow. The kaminons saw in the ultraviolet color sphere, and saw colors that humans didn't. The empire wanted to keep the same armor, just massproduced it with a different corporation, making it look slightly differerent and much cheaper quality. Also the stormtrooper corps was initially used as a peacekeeping unit, and white is a very uniform and neutral color. With no individual markers to show off free thinkers or personality. So bone inspired stormtrooper armor? Nope.

Oh dude exactly, and it even could’ve mirrored how Palpatine and his cabal of dark side advisors (like Yupe Tashu or Veris Hydan) were sort of at the center of the Empire without many knowing

The Final Order is very redundant. The moment the audience needs to do the writing for the writers is the moment you know a movie has failed at world building.

@@mmmmythical absolutely. Star Wars is so rich in lore and world building, and it really saddens me that the Sequels just ignored it or for the most part didn't add to any of it. I hope future projects will remedy some of it, but still

@@ixkahn Andor looks promising but besides that I can’t really say. If they expanded on the story of the sequels with a similar series to the Clone Wars I think there is potential - granted, only potential - that they could find a way to make that world compelling. But damn it would be tough to pull off and even tougher to make it convincing. And it wouldn’t fix the sequels, only retroactively paint over its many holes. TCW makes the prequels more interesting and ROTS more believable but idk if it’s reasonable to say it fixes anything with those films, so a sequel show wouldn’t really have much luck either.

@@mmmmythical 100%. My biggest gripe is that the story doesn't leave much room for expansion like the Prequels or OT did. My idea would be to focus on the Cold War with the First Order (yes I know Resistance was a thing but the main character was a rando who didn't offer any interesting points of view. Also it was so boring), and a Luke/Ben Solo animated show focusing on learning about the jedi like padawan and master. They still has the issue that we know that nothing matters cause the New Jedi Order falls and the New Republic collapses, but hey, at least they'd be fun haha

That actually sounds really cool

Kinda like the starkiller clones

@@thesithofearth3617 or Jek-14 from the Lego Yoda Chronicles

the whole point of having an emperor is to have all of the combined power of the dark side focused into 1 or 2 people (at most a few hundred or thousand lightly drawing), rather than legions of sith warriors drawing off of it in combat. The inquisitors served a very specific purpose after Palpatine's rise to established power and were probably all killed pretty soon after rebels. The sith survived through deception and hiding until they were able to use the dark side to rise to power by manipulating trillions of people through orchestrated conflicts and mind tricks. There is no way that the narrative of the first or final order works unless the first order is imperial remnants that somehow came back into power after being decimated (still paints the new republic as weak and undermines the whole empire vs rebels 3 movie arc). The empire being beaten by a smaller group of talented soldiers, pilots, and strategists, luke having to go through 2 movies to be trained to even use the force in any useful manner, vader's grand redemption that finally vanquished the darkness that had set over the universe. Everything that came before the sequel trilogy was just absolutely shit on by 3 movies written by people who don't understand the source material, and who only cared about meeting the deadline and getting their cut of the box office. There is no way to make these 3 movies make sense, the 2 writers of them didn't even agree on anything. The copy and paste of ANH but with a staff girl that can wield a lightsaber with no training and a tantrum-throwing manchild antagonist instead of a cold, calculated, half man, half monster with no tolerance for failure. Then rian scrapped the whole plot to make some other thing that doesn't make sense with genius lines such as "They fly now??? They fly now." and the butchering of Luke Skywalker who's been hiding on a rock drinking blue milk while his friends and family are being murdered and some hour long subplot about how slavery's bad (what would I do if they didn't tell me). JJ got back on to try and pick up the pieces and the end product looks like a kindergartener's art project with a bunch of spaceships that have horses on them and some guy he saw in the other movies and thought looked cool.

@@f0-f09 love that guy

@Rafa sequel hater spotted

@Rafa Their armor is also ribbed for no one's pleasure.

@@JokienStudios2003 Jeez, I wonder why he would hate something so bad? Truly a mystery

@@acme9723 ofc compared to the movies that came before they are bad, but I enjoyed watching them in the cinema

@Rafa I agree. Much should've been improved upon for the Sith troopers, especially making it more intimidating like the Sith trooper gear and equipment from SWTOR.

I prefer to ignore both movies, but at least phantom menace had the fight at the end

@@neonwallacewells7818 and Podracing.

The best way to get more answers is to read some of the books and other stuff.

Maybe if some tv shows are made explaining the lore and world building surrounding the sequels more in depth they will be better appreciated.

@@archoolio76 I don't think that should be an excuse for the movies to not explain certain things though. That's a problem in both the prequel and sequel trilogy. Just hand waving certain plot points because you know at some point a novel will explain it somehow

ooooh.. that would have been great! And if Ezra would have returned with Thrawn as well, it would have tied EVERYTHING and perhaps all the trilogies (including the show Rebels) together. Maybe even having Ezra and Kylo going at it rather than Grand-daughter palps (we could scrap that abysmal display of LAZY writing and lack of imagination).. and have Ezra BE the Skywalker as according to the legend, force sensitives navigated the outer rim and they were called "skywalkers".. rather than some Mary Sue walking away with another's legacy. It seemed like a space version of cultural and familial appropriation on the writers' part. I love your idea!!

@@creativewriter3887 All I'm saying is that if TFA had been the worst movie in the trilogy it could have been pretty good. But it ended up being the best movie in the trilogy.

I agree. I hated TFA when it came out, but now after having the other 2 disasters, TFA ended up being the best of the bunch. What a low bar, jesus.

@@creativewriter3887 Plus, you do realize that I'm referring to the original Legends story that introduced Thawn. TFA came out before well before Rebels introduced Thrawn, so its not like he was currently being used.

I wish they'd just gone with George's outline, or atleast tried to be a bit more creative. Frankly I always found Thrawn and his books tiresomely overhyped, and they don't really gell that well with later installments. 🤷‍♂️

Especially when one of those directors is JJ Abrams, yuegh

"Amazing" is a pretty strong word. It's the First Order Stormtrooper, but red with ridges. The concept designs that were more organic "muscles versions" were better, or at least more unique imo

I've always felt this way. If I recall correctly, the original plan was to have three different directors. When I first heard this my first thought was "Why?" Doesn't make sense to have three different directors work on the same story. Could it have worked? Probably. But after seeing the butchering of what was an amazing set up (The Last Jedi from The Force Awakens) it didn't seem possible. Personally I believed Abrams did an amazing job with The Force Awakens. Great way to ease into the new Star Wars trilogy. Had he been the director for all three films I feel the story would have been more coherent and understandable; potentially new life into Star Wars. Unfortunately that is not how things panned out. Let's hope Disney has learned from this.

@@nathangames1576 You guys really like throwing that word "amazing" around... The best thing I can say about 7 is it was dumb fun. That's it. And I can't even say that for 9. The Last Jedi was different at least (up until the battle of Hoth clone at the end) whereas The Force Awakens was just Episode IV "rebooted." Nothing about it made sense or advanced the universe in a meaningful way. How in the world did the Imperial Remnant manage to make an actual planet-sized intergalactic shotgun under the Republic's nose? The same goes for the fleet on Exegol and the responding fleet at the end of 9. It was an embarrassing copy and paste job all the way around that still managed to satisfy some like yourself. I don't like how Rian treated Mark Hamill and ignored his opinions on Luke Skywalker, but I appreciate his effort at making something original much more than I appreciate JJ Abrams just doing the same thing that's already been done.

@@nathangames1576 Three directors? A different one for each episode in a trilogy? That’s insane!!!! Imagine if they would have done that in the OT??? 🙄

they should have a done a bit of a throw back to the sith troopers of KOTOR. i mean they kind of did with the red armor, but the look felt too similar to a storm trooper

Well design and use should go hand in hand, that's why 1st term students of design take semantics. If it's uncoherent is a bad design.

*sequel and prequel trilogy

Imagine going into a battle trying to camouflage yourself while wearing shiny bright red armor

@@arbiters487 As opposed to the shiny white?

Why did they go back? Did they want to die with their emperor like when the Pharoahs had their slaves buried with them? Lol.

@@ChaseBlackmoon I guess they were supposed to be redeployed with all of the other ships?

@@Attaxalotl ok, that makes more sense, and I like your profile pic!

@@ChaseBlackmoon Thank you!

The novel had to force them to die... otherwise... you would have planet killing Star Destroyers everywhere making a new Empire every other day.

💯 agree with why didn't they have the first order be guerilla fighters against the new republic military would have at least been differnt to have the bad guys be the underdogs for a change and the new republic struggle to find their bases and track them down as the FO does hit and run attacks

They have plot armour

Freal wouldve been way cooler to have snoke a messed up palp clone first order and final order all in one. Red guys are kylos fist. Actually have the knights of ren exist aswell(havevthe first order a kinda vanguard with snojes nassive fleet rising in the outer rim for the final fight) give the good guys armor maybe inspired by the old republic troopers and a proper military thanks to luke warning them of disturbances. Luke learned of how the jedi fell from acting as generals so he takes his students and secludes them away knowing a conflict is coming but helping means they lose. Rey is starkillet basically an attempt at refining force sensitive cloning to replace snoke with a force sensitive palp clone. Luke senses is this realizing this is far far worse than just the dark side but an attack on the force itself with possibility of corrupting it in its entirety(maybe tie in the rakatta lore of them being cut off from going to far) so luke and his students come back mid battle as knights of ren are wrecking and just goes full jedi

Bruh that happens in almost all of star wars and at least the tie daggers killed many resistance pilots.

@@deadshot5007 Sure, it's happened before but its rare that we get a 3-for-1 on it

The TIE Dagger was a supremely uninspired design, in my own opinion. It would have been nice if they weren't just TIE Interceptors with smaller wings and WAY less visibility for the pilot.

Sith troopers with the Resurgent class star destroyers instead of the xyston would be fucking mint

@@sanspeter9925 bingo

The movie in general gave me too many other episode vibes only the jet trooper chase seen felt original

@@darkwolf780 It felt very much like the Prequels to me, maybe that's why I enjoyed it so much.

@@darkwolf780 The Jet trooper? You telling me they fly now?

Yeah, it was similarly stupid

@@hunterkiller1440 to me, nothing felt like the prequels. They had crappy choreography, a terrible story that didn't make sense, un-original ideas, a merry sue, and a plethora of things

Why does the stormtrooper armor have asymmetrical knees?

@@rafaelschaffner Looking around, I wasn't able to find a source for this, so it might just be a fan theory in actuality. The thing I've heard is that it relates to when they drop to one knee, for ease of movement, stability while aiming, and protection for the knee that is up.

Actually, nvm! The legends Wookipedia page says this: The lower right leg segment contained the suit's axillary power cells. The left upper side of the shin armor had a knee protector plate for comfort from a kneeling firing position. The Star Wars Visual Dictionary calls the left knee plate "Sniper position knee plate," and the ridges on the right thigh, "Suit systems power cells".

Thanks, I've never heard that before and I've been into Star Wars for 16 years.

Episode 8 included.

Too many Orders. Fucking Disney....

@@Amp661 *average American fast food employee*

Were they aware of the 66th Order?

I feel that. I love a lot of the First Order designs

Agreed . Discussions about the Disney trilogy falls into the same category as debating the merits of Betamax Vs VHS. Pointless. Nobody cares anymore, everyone has moved on.

@@TehJumpingJawa , Betamax was better! :p

NATO uniforms share common elements because we’re actively trying to share common elements.

I've only watched the movie once, but I distinctly remember Finn telling Poe that "people are rising up all over the galaxy" in the immediate aftermath of the battle of Exegol. From what I understood, he was referring to the First Order being overthrown because Ep. 9 didn't explicitly state that it aided the Final Order in any capacity on Exegol. Judging by the opening crawl in Ep. 8 and the montage of uprisings at the end of Ep. 9, the First Order was spread throughout the galaxy working independently from the Final Order. So, the First Order definitely survived the Final Order's collapse, but it’s heavily implied that it didn't last long before collapsing as well.

@@CouncilCape897 ah yes I remember the end now, but regardless I don’t think civilian ships could do much without the military 😭😭 Just seems unrealistic to me but that’s sequel cannon lmao

@@General_Arcturus506 , Civilian ships can do wonders! See how the USA converted river boats into ironclads... But, that's the distinction... the civilian ships needed to be refitted as _warships._ Something which didn't happen in the Sequel Trilogy. In Legends, the Falcon was refitted as a _warship,_ with weapons, sensors, etc. then Lando did some bribery and... the central government thought all that illegal (for a civilian ship) tech was removed... that's before it gets Ambushed at Corellia.

@@CouncilCape897 Still absolutely stupid. Still doesn't make any sense how the New Republic, formerly the Rebel Alliance, had most of the power in the galaxy after ROTJ and then they're now the Resistance once the Imperial remnants started attacking them as the First Order

the character development is pretty abysmal in the sequels too though... like rey wants to know who her parents are, then after fucking around in a cave she decides it doesnt matter, then in the last movie she finds out she's a palpatine, and then she decides she's a skywalker? finn is interesting in the first movie but then thrown to the side and not utilised whatsoever. his whole arc in the last movie is that he wants to tell rey he is force sensitive??? kylo ren is probably one of the better characters at least. i nearly forgot to mention poe dameron cuz he does fuck all. george had top tier world building but his 6 movies are ultimately about anakin's character/sacrifice, and i mean luke has more development than any sequel character too? its been a while since ive watched the sequels so lemme know if im not remembering this right lol.

@@vain.a2 No, that's pretty accurate.

That's just another symptom of Disney not knowing what they were doing. How can you write Star Wars, and ignore the bloody worldbuilding? Star Wars has always been *about* the worldbuilding! Go to any convention. Sure, you're going to see the odd named character being cosplayed, but most people just want to be a generic rebel pilot, or a facelless stormtrooper, or just another Jedi. People care about the world just as much - or most likely even more - than about the characters.

There is a good ammount of interesting content regarding the sequels, but they are comics and books so not many people will see them. I hope to see a good tv show in the future that give us more insight on everything and more fun stories

It because of money

The Prequels had the benefit of fitting together narratively as well mostly with the saga as a whole. The Sequels don't even fit together narratively, let alone the rest of the saga, and highly contradict eachother. There's nothing left to salvage with that trilogy, as any further attempt to expand upon will further convolute the trilogy.

@@pepperedash4424 I gotta be honest with you chief, I'm fucking tired of the whole "uhh but the prequels..." argument. Yeah, the prequels are more coherent and better written, but let's not forget that they were as hated as the new movies and people wanted George Lucas to be crucified as much as they want to see Rian Johnson's head rolling in the floor today. It's just now that people are beginning to realize that maybe they weren't so bad. I'm not saying that the new movies will be liked in the future as it's uncertain, but to say that there's nothing to tell is an exaggeration. There are a lot of things that can be told during the sequel era that aren't necessarily "plot whole patches". We actually know very little about what happens outside of the main movies. You just need to be creative

@@JuanFuentes222 And I'm fucking tired of people commenting on threads without context of said thread in mind. I only brought up the Prequels because they were apart of the op's comment. The attitudes regarding the Prequels were mixed. There was a loud outcry against them, but there was also a steady audience still coming to theaters to watch them. With people returning to theaters for RoTS after being vacant for AoTC. While theater attendees were almost cut in half from TFA to TLJ, then reduced even further with TRoS. Regardless; the attitudes towards both trilogies are irrelevant to the difficulties of expanding upon a narrative/lore quagmire. No amount of imagination can fix something that ignores its own narrative/lore, as well as the rest of the franchise, without making it more convoluted. Especially given Lucas Film is as of recent lacking in that department. You just need to be more pragmatic.

Sorry to hear that. ROS was shit and Palpatine didn't clone himself. Rip yourself way from Disney's propaganda.

Okay

What are you doing commenting on a Star Wars channel then?

Lol drama queen

dont worry mate, cuckhart sold out a long time ago. all you've got here is didney bots and le reddit shills.