The Snyderverse... 3 Years Later 

Maybe that's why I love Zack Snyder's Justice league the most and I love all the Snyder verse movies but his Justice league holds a special place in my heart just like the dark knight does as well

I love that movie. Everything except Lex and his stupid plan. What was Lex going to do if Doomsday killed Clark - the only person who could possibly stop him? Makes no sense. Even if you drill down on it.

The ultimate edition is 30 mins longer. The better question is why did Snyder film a 3h rated R Batman and Superman movies when clearly DC would never release that in theaters.

@@Skute I hate to say it because this video clearly isn’t intended to be a bash fest against Snyder but the simple answer to your question is that he’s extremely pretentious. And unlike other pretentious directors like Chris Nolan or Tarantino, he isn’t a good enough artist to justify his pretentiousness

​@@Skuteit's obvious Snyder shoot those after the backlash that he received for BvS. He just added some deleted footage and shoot some r rated stuff in name of ultimate edition. Just look at his movies pattern, he does same with each and every movie. He will listen to the criticism and tries to fix it in name of director's extended cut.

​@@Skute He did same with justice league. Wb would never allow a 4 hour R rated team up superhero movie. Right now he is following his trend on Netflix. He can't make a decent movie so does this cheap tactics of director's cut. There ain't single director that needs director cut for each and every movie that they made.

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Nothing wrong with that, thank you for watching!

AGREED and well said. And I'll add,I LOVE Man of Steel,thought it was a-GREAT-film.

"I’m a big defender of Snyder’s trilogy" Ergo, you don't understand the basics of the source material and therefore your opinion is invalid and not worth taking into consideration. Nice of you for getting that out of the way really quick.

​@@dodgsonwevegotdodgsonhere9970seriously bruh that wasn't even necessary

I want you to know, it took everything in my bones to not cite the prequels as an example. I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees that

You’re not the only one because I picked up on that too.

See that’s what bothers me alot with people who share your opinion. It baffles me how you and others wanna say Snyder’s DCEU isn’t good, despite many who can explain the depthless of his character and storytelling, but somehow you can salivate over the MCU phase 1-3? In my eyes there is no depth, no good storytelling, poor character development, and conflicts that could be solved with the simplest of solutions. Infinity War is one do the most overrated fins I’ve ever seen and to this day I can never get how that is seen as this amazing CBM film when in reality, it took 10 plus films to set it up. Whether you think the MCU is good or not, I’m bringing it up because it’s the direct reason why Snyder’s were received so harshly, why WB wanted to rush their film universe, and why DC is dead now! The MCU fooled many of y’all into thinking that formula was the perfect concoction, but it really just over saturated the market, and now it’s suffering because it’s not bringing it the same success as it did before

I want to add that I think this applies to The Last Jedi as well…

So after a bunch of analasys videos you managed to understand the movie, but you still think its bad? In that case its simply not a story for you. Perhaps the superman and batman stories in children cartoons might fit you. That doesnt make the movie bad, it just means your addicted to one type of story and dont want it changed. Either that or youre so sensitive to nitpicky mistakes that you cant watch the movie because of them

Lex basically antagonizes both of them against each other and uses the situations they're in to make them fight and they didn't realize it till it was kinda too late and quite literally blew up in their faces

It was just done so poorly, hence the ridicule

"Kill for no reason" Yeah that's still killing, and Batman says that's a no no. It's what makes him a compelling character.

Which is exactly why BvS is more rewatchable than most of the other CBMs. After every watch you'll find something new.

When you put it like that, the first few movies come to my mind are Nolan’s Prestige and Inception.

@@laisensei6984 Exactly. Inception is one of my favorites because it balances subtleties and obvious parts well. Just enough for us to not be lost and casual viewers to enjoy, but deeper parts for audience members to discern for themselves.

@@TheFedoraFederalist Personally, I find one of the common traits about good mystery stories is that they are good at making "reductions", making the mystery they are showing just simple enough to for you to see where the clues and gaps could be (without accidentally spoiling or spoon feeding you the answer) but also complex enough to make you do appropriate amount of brain work for piecing the puzzles together (instead of stressing your mind way too much to figure out what's going on), and at times give you a sense of achievement when you finally solve the puzzle. The are some mystery film directors and story writers that simply got way too obsessed with making a complex mystery that they tend to forget the above.

BVS was complete garbage.

Enjoy!

Defend the Martha scene

@@WL1264 No.

That’s Snyder’s problem. He’s so self indulgent and overcomplicates everything so you have stories that are way longer than they need to be. BvS didn’t need to be 3 hours. The Snyder cut didn’t need to be 4 hours and ultimately the movies suffer from it. The Ultimate Edition is tolerable yes, but it’s still very sloppy.

The Snyder cut is okay. As much as I HATE BVS at least he was swinging for the fences. The last 3 zack Snyder movies have felt generic. Very out of line with his prior work

It still sucks.

​@@thefilmrookie3099I don't think his self indulgence I think he just wanted to do it differently, his a storyteller and what does a storyteller ask himself is what this character does a different path what not. I mean this Zack Snyder has many people work with him for years and they always say positive about him and even the actors like him and they express how he always shares his stuff with them. But I get what you're saying but at the same time you can't for him making bvs or Justice league that wasn't his first plan in the beginning

The ultimate edition is like spraying febreeze in a dumpster. It’s more tolerable but its still garbage

That’s like one of the most acclaimed parts of ZSJL though

@@sdnmkhn And it was a mistake. Its just like the hyperspace ram in the Last Jedi. Looks pretty, but falls apart the second you think any deeper about it

@@boshwa20 I think movies should be looked at by themselves, not by the logic of 'does this align with my wants from the comics?'

Agree. Not every tiny detail needs to be spelled out and spoonfed to us.

But that really didn’t explain why Zod wasn’t willing to “share” the Earth with humanity by colonizing uninhabitable regions such as the Arctic and Antarctic. Zod explained that living on Earth with God like powers would mean years of adjustment, by his own example and those of his troops, they could have easily adjusted in days or weeks while hiding behind Advanced Krytonian weapons. Why recreate Krypton’s on Earth and kill off the native life when you can recreate Kryptonian civilization on Earth and breed a master race to rule over humanity

@@TheLAGopherbecause he looked down on humanity

@@TheLAGopherbecause he looked down on humanity. that’s why he had no desire to co exist with humanity.

Thanks!

Why didn't he check if superman had a mother before all of this?

The fact that Zack Snyder's detractors ignore comments like this is so rich lmao.

@@matthewpunk2012the fact the Snyder dorks think that magically makes his terrible films good is even richer

Here’s the thing though: Aren’t Superman 2 to 4 received so incredibly badly (at least by IMDB standard) that they literally qualify as negative examples of how to portray Superman? (Like textbook counter examples of something to never mimic or take inspiration from especially when making a Superman movie) And with this in mind, it’s kinda logical for people think Snyder should never try to portray Superman as a somewhat gray figure with hidden darkness no matter how toned down it is compared to the old Reeves movies. That’s probably the reason they complain a lot about Snyder Superman.

@@laisensei6984 Superman 2 ?? Where did you get this from? The critics have Superman 2 rated higher than every Snyder movie. In Man Of Steel, Clark saved the men from oil rig fire, the Coast Guard rescue team in the helicopter, a school bus full of his schoolmates from drowning, the entire world by turning himself over to Zod, a fighter pilot from Faora after she leaped at his jet, he catches & saves another fighter pilot from hitting the ground after his jet is destroyed, saved Colonel Hardy from being killed by Faora, destroyed the world engine that would have made earth unlivable for humans (2nd time saving in the word in less than 24 hours), saved Dr. Emil Hamilton, and Colonel Hardy from being blasted out of the sky by Zod with the Kryptonian birthing chamber ship (this gave the doctor & the colonel enough time to open the portal to the phantom zone to send the Kryptonians back into it), Clark destroyed the Kryptonian birthing chamber ship with his heat vision that would have allowed Zod to create a new breed of Kryptonians (some of which no doubt would share his ideology), Clark finalizes & insures humanity's survival by killing Zod who had just vowed to make every human suffer one by one (3rd time saving the planet). Clark saved the entire planet, and the entire human race 3 times in the same movie on his first day on the job. I chose not to even count the undocumented acts of good he did throughout his adolescence while he was living a nomadic life after Johnathan died. So many acts of good that it caught Lois Lane's attention. It's comical when people say Cavill's Superman is not "Superman". They complained about Snyder because they're gatekeepers. They complained about no kryptonite in Man Of Steel cause they couldn't even wait for it in a second movie. They complained about no red underwear. Some of them complained there was no change of costume in a phone booth. Even Christopher Reeve didn't do that in the first film. He looked at one and walked away from it. Some critics were creating stuff out of thin air that never happened in the original film just a trash man of steel. That's what gatekeepers do. They went in there with their knives out before they watched it. We're talking about a movie (man of steel) where he was not a seasoned experience Superman. He's essentially a rookie while for the first time in his life fighting beings with the same powers. We're talking about grown adults crying people died in a Sci-Fi fantasy fictional movie in which the Earth was saved 3 times. If Zack Snyder had Lois horrifically die by being crushed in the Earth in her car with sand filling her mouth.... critics would say he's too edgy and dark. That happened in Superman 1 (1978) with no complaints. If Zack had his Superman fly around the world to reverse time to resurrect Lois... they'd say something about that too. No critic complained about Zod's onscreen death in 1980. No one complained when Superman was beating Darkseid's behind in Metropolis by literally punching him through buildings in the animated series. The hypocrisy is undeniable. I own and love the 78 film and watch it regularly but it is not the Superman Bible. I love Man of Steel also. Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster (who created Superman) had him watching criminals die, break bones, and torture criminals. Everything after that is an interpretation by different writers. If a director made a Superman film based on golden age Superman... would critics write "Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster who created Superman don't understand Superman"?😂🤣

@@alfredborden5675 But Superman 3 and 4 are actual shitshows, that’s for sure, right? Also, there’s really no need to state every good deed Superman did in Man of Steel. I also watched that movie for 3 times by now. I’m just trying to figure out the source of the hate. I thought it’s because “Snyder took everything he thought was good (but in reality wasn’t) about old Reeve Superman movies and put it in Man of Steel”, but seems like the was not the case.

Yeah, you can't convey that "Clark is soul searching and a bit lost in where he trying to find" when you have him "actively already trailing a known route". Also funny how the video compares "how Louis spend months to investigate". While the early parts of the movie is literally Clark drifting to places after places trying to find the "unknown" of what he wants to do actually do. The difference with Louise is that she has something tangible she is looking for. Clark starts up with being him being lost in what he wants to do so...

@@Snzn18 I think there may be a language barrier but Clark was not on a known route the government didn't even know what the object was Also Lois took months to investigate what?

@@dobi287 Not sure if it was actual "months", I just used how the video worded it, since I am paraphrasing, where the video argued how "Louise took months or weeks to investigate/locate where Superman lives, while Clark just happen to, by chance, overheard military people talking about some unknown object". And yeah I was basically saying what you said "Clark was not on a Known route", that is why I used "Soul searching", and Lost in life as terms to describe the State Clark was in.. Since the video points it out how "Clark not actively searching for something" as flaw . When the point was "Clark really don't know what to do yet at that point of the story". I used the "Known route" since the video is making it out that Clark in the beginning of the movie "knows what he is looking for that he is out there "investigating" something. Where in actuality Clark is just "Drifting from place to place without a clear path in mind." So it is not really logical to compare How Clark ended up finding out about the spaceship to Louise finding where Superman lives. Because Obviously Clark don't have a specific goal to follow while Louise has a clear idea of what she is searching for them expect Clark's case to show be similar to Louise's Just to make it clear "I am agreeing to your point btw".

@@Snzn18 no I got it this time, very well said. Thank you for clarifying

I appreciate that, thank you for the kind words!

The scene where Batman decides to spare Superman's life would have worked if that was the first time he was tempted to kill someone. But it was completely pointless, because Batman causualy murders dozens of criminals both before and after that scene.

Well, Nolan's, Burton's, and even Schumacher's Batman killed villains with no less cynicism and in greater numbers. And in Superman 2, he Sups threw the debilitated Zod and company into the abyss (and there is no need to talk about the scene where they were caught from the water, that was learned later) so all the hate about the fact that they were killing is somewhat inflated.

facts

@@ii-mp1sp At least those adaptations were the first attempts to adapt the character in big screen and introduce them a general public, who didn't have yet a clear idea about the characters yet. Before Burton, the only image people had of Batman was the Adam West show. After that we got more faithful versions like the DCAU, Young Justice, Brave and the Bold and recently MAWS, given the public a clear about the character and their core. Trying to have these character kill just bc, the past film did, doesn't work when we already years if not decades away from those versions and they are more established in public knowloge.

@@alexandrefrauches132 And what, the film is the same alternative universe in the style of Elseworld where everything is possible. Well, at the same time, this is well-founded (and I always considered Batman to be mentally ill), and if it's interesting to watch, then I don't care what they do there.

Ironically we did see that story come to fruition in the theatrical cut

“I think if we got a fourth film we may have gotten there.” Should tell you all you need to know about how flawed this direction was. Everyone knows and loves Superman, not the halfway developed version of him you get of him on the 1st, 2nd and 3rd time around.

​@zserbs2326 it's called character arc

​@@ezravldina3467because "It takes a Trilogy to finally let a character being himself" worked so well with Tom Holland spiderman... A Trilogy about Spiderman 1 First 30 minutes

So close!

Thank you!

Literally took the words out of my mouth dude. I defended the films when they first came out because I was hyped up but by the time Justice League came out I became more jaded and started noticing the flaws. And as time went on and I became more knowledgeable about film making and broadened my horizon, I really came to not like Snyder's films. He specifically is not good at writing, he doesn't understand that deleted scenes exist for a reason hence the many director's cuts, and overall I dont like his philosophy when it comes to characterization. His recent comments about Batman confirmed that he doesn't understand these characters and wanted to "improve" them. And with Lucas yeah I realized that he is good at world building and coming up with character concepts and stories but the problem is he heavily struggles with screenwriting and directing his actors which is why there are weird sounding line reads and wooden performances in the prequels

You’re absolutely right!

It’s on the board

I did

Ok how do you feel about the ultimate edition compared to the theatrical cut@@thegoldman25

I've only ever seen the ultimate edition, idk what was cut out in the theatrical

Na people didn't hate it for that reason,its just due to poor execution. People loves to see destruction in cbm. The avenger's in 2012 one do more distruction then superman in Mos. People let it slide as they are executed brilliantly. You need better writing to execute such scenes.

And buddy people aren't dumb,they know that Mos was a origin story. The main problem with Snyder's fan is that they think people are dumb to understand Snyder movies. They live in there own world where they think Snyder movies are hated bcuz audience don't have brain to understand it. Even 10 years old can understand Snyder's dceu movies. They aren't deep.

I don’t understand how people forget that this was Superman‘s week on the job. He just learned to fly two days ago.

@@tmac731 why are you blaming the audience??? People know that. It was just due to poor execution. We know he was a rookie but Snyder over use some stuff just to make it look cool. Snyder dceu movies didn't knew what they want to be. Mos,BvS first and second act are grounded but in third act they take a huge swing. Snyder has huge problem of using heavy CGI in final act. Young audience needs to know that Mos was received well by audience. People only complained about the over use of CGI in final battle. BvS is his worst work under dceu and is certainly top 10 worst comic book movies ever made.(Movie that took style over substance)

@@IronLad-wn1ih you’re not making any sense. There are many people who don’t like the final battle of Man of Steel because they said the action went too long but why wasn’t the finals battle of Transformers 3 or Avengers too long? I’m not blaming the audience, I’ve seen plenty of dumb arguments to say man of steel is a bad movie when it’s not. Zach Synder DC trilogy is amazing and BvS is the most misunderstood comic book movie of all time. We are entitled to our own opinion but BvS was just ahead of its time and most people don’t understand what Zach was doing with the characters

Zack Snyder directed 3 DC movies, that is the snyderverse

So no different from any other fandom these days

​@@SupherodudeIt's quite unique. SW, for example, is bashed relentlessly whether it's the directors, scripts, canon inconsistency, etc. With Snyder, however, his cult will never admit his flaws as director and filmmaker. For them, everyone who doesn't see Snyder's genius is just a hater.

Two words : Sonic fans Snyderverse fans are cute and pacific next to them