The Sonic '06 That Never Was… 

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Fun fact: According to TCRF the only reason Sonic's power bar doesn't work properly is because of one typo.

When my Great Grandma first bought me my very own PS3, it came with this game. I was in 7th grade at the time of owning it and had no idea how bad it was until I played it for the first time. I didn't tell her it was a bad game I just kept going through because I was trying to finish the story of all 3 characters. Despite the poor controls, bad camera and poor level designs, I at least was intrigued by the storylines. She passed away on January 29, 2022. Every time I play, I think of the day she first got it for me. Miss her a lot.

The game was slowed down in the E3 demo because they wanted to showcase the tech and graphics of the game like the particles and auras off of Sonic’s homing attack. Especially since this was the first 3D Sonic game on seventh gen consoles

Didnt cry for 10 years only for a rat got me

p-06 really showed that what 06 could've been if Sega and sonic team wasn't filled with fools

The reason why you saw 06 models without their faces are because I'm pretty sure the face and main body are separate models so it would be more easier to switch from the cutscene face to the gameplay face

One thing I like about that leaked concept art and character bios from this game is for Silver it says “Think Trunks from Dragon ball Z” which proves how much they borrowed from Dragon ball 💀

That Hitler joke early into the video was so uncalled for I literally fell out my chair laughing lmfaoo

P-06 is the superior version, it's got better loading time, the stages aren't so buggy and Chaos X (the creator of this version of that game) added in some parts of it that could have been in the original version but weren't, along with an amount of other improvements too. So we can at least defend that version because that person got a bunch of stuff done right with the production of that fanmade remaster for Windows PC and that version of it has been getting positive reviews. It's been said that the story mode and the boss battles are the only parts that aren't complete yet, but the rest of it is already downloadable and I plan to give it a try when the final product becomes available.

At least you didn't buy a PS3 to play Sonic 06 during the consoles launch. Had to go to the game store in December and deal with the lines. Pay the 399 dollar price tag. And the only reason i got a PS3 is because i was literally the only dude who asked if there was stock left. The entire store was shocked and i was looked at like some fucking celebrity because i bought the last PS3 in the store.

No joke, I've actually heard people defend the Sonic/Elise romance by saying that you're a hypocrite if you enjoy Beauty and the Beast or Who Framed Roger Rabbit (i.e. movies with a human/anthro couple) but dislike Sonic/Elise. Nevermind the fact that Roger/Jessica is played for laughs and the fact that the Beast is actually a human who was cursed. It also goes without saying but Belle and Beast have way more chemistry than Sonic and Elise ever did. Even without the beastiallity implications and Sonic was human or if Elise was a hedgehog, the romance would still be cringy and forced as all hell. To imply that Sonic 06's romance is even in the same ballpark as those movies is just plain ridiculous.

This was a very well done video. While I acknowledge 06 is heavily flawed and unfinished, I still like the game a lot. I love the gems like the purple one letting you fly forever. It’s so much fun messing around.

That initial 06 trailer reminds me of the Frontiers announcement trailer. Say what you will about the state of Sonic currently, but I think the reason people aren’t as harsh on this game now is because we’ve gotten games that far exceeded it since then. Colors, Generations, Mania, Frontiers, just to name a few. But the scars this game left have never truly healed, causing game journalists to bring it up in nearly every Sonic review nowadays. The Sonic fans may have moved on, but this game was so traumatizing to the AAA industry back then that it seems to make several non-fans paranoid of a blow like this happening again. Some people have become accustomed to enjoying it ironically, but there is no defending this tragedy of a video game.

The way I see it, Sonic 06 and Star Wars the Phantom Menace has a lot in common than you might think. Both were production nightmares that had a terrible story, way too ideas, hurting the actors who were only doing what they were given, and the fact it nearly ruined their franchises' reuputation, but has since been having a cult following due to everyone feeling sorry about the movie's failure and that it had potential, as well as because a lot of people grew up with them. Ironically, what caused me to stopped being a Sonic fan was how the fanbase itself were starting to appreciate a terrible game, while also criticising the games that came after it... that and because of the first movie but that's another story. Nowadays, I think it's ok that there are Sonic fans who like one of if not the worst Sonic game. I'm not really a Sonic fan anymore, so I honestly don't care wheather or not someone likes Sonic 06. Btw, if you're probably wondering why I'm commenting is because I subscribed to your channel after watching your doom video.

this vid be bussin its like watching a vid from 2014 the last time people had somewhat reasonable takes about sonic 06

Something I would I love to see you cover if you ever get the chance, would be the surprisingly well thought out evolution of Eggman’s robots (since they aren’t called “Badniks” in Japan) and the thought process the art team had when designing them. A surprising amount of them were inspired by Gundam. I had this idea when I was thinking over the detailed development of the E-Series line, from Zero to Omega, the in universe explanation for a lot of their differences is pretty intuitive. Especially when it comes to Gamma into Omega and the changes made there, not just the physical ones either. I know this doesn’t have anything to do with the point of the video, but an idea is an idea right?

As bad as this game was, I would STILL choose it over Sonic Forces. 🤷 To me Sonic 2006 is a B Movie game. It's terrible, but you can ironically get some enjoyment from it. But I'll never say it's good.

I was just enjoying this video (amazing video btw i love how mad you were) until i saw the tags lmaoasoaoao. #autism ??? It's really random lmaooo

Great video! I have the game and I didn't really enjoy it, but I did enjoy this video. I laughed a lot at the jokes.

The reason why some of the unused animations have the models without the eyeballs and muzzle is because for some reason the faces of all the characters are seperate models entirely from the rest of their body and eyes. You can see for yourself if you go and rip the in game models from models recourse and import it to blender. They are separate objects and im guessing the developers just didnt bother to insert the faces into the animation.

28:20 If it wasn't already explained. I guess (this is probably a theory if the writers didn't say anything) Mephlies can only fuse with the flames of disaster. Just like how in the final episode, he had to fuse with the flames as soon as it was released. (I guess the flames is technically Iblis' soul) But with enough time the flames manifests it's own body thus making Iblis which Mephlies can't fuse with because Iblis is too powerful.

Blaze is WHAT?!

Tbh, this might be a unpopular opinion but maybe if Elise just kissed sonic on the forehead rather than the lips it wouldn’t have been as bad.. idk to me seems less weird

This will always be my 3rd fav Sonic game. While it is the worst sonic game, i found myself liking sonics and maybe shadows gameplay. Also, i didnr really had a lot of glitches, unless i went out if my way to make them happen. But i respect ur opinion tho

Is always interesting seeing people's views on this game, especially nowadays. I found myself in the camp of enjoying certain aspects of the game, even with itself flaws, and I've grown a bit of an appreciation for it after watching J's reviews on it. I think you both have very good points. But, it feels like a lot of nitpicking here. Especially for stuff we've heard thousands of times about this game.

I love this video, it's just you hating for 30 minutes

IM BOUT TO BLOW 😩😩😩😩😩😩 - Knuckles the Echidna

20:25 The reason for that is due to the game rendering cutscene faces seperately from the bodies iirc

"Castlevania Jumps" aren't inherently a bad thing. That is the way it is in castlevania because it's a packaged deal that comes with that series' level design and enemy roster. And in that environment it fits well and fits the tone of the series. It's both intentional entirely, and good design. Barring any jank on the NES games. There's a reason they kept the movement that way in the series, with some compromises in rondo of blood, for games after the NES trilogy until SOTN. Excluding Super Castlevania 4, one of the most jank and least fun games in the series. (truly a diabolical take I know, but if it was actually good, then future games would have taken after it and linear castlevania wouldn't have died with bloodlines, where they took super 4 and actually made it a good game.) Granted that shouldn't be how it is in a sonic game. But the way you went off on the concept was kind of foul, why is castlevania catching a stray in the complaining about sonic video. As a castlevania fan, I'm tired of people continuing this lie that the jump is a design oversight. It's entirely reasonable when you look at the game as a bigger picture and every challenge in these games can be cleared with relative ease without a goofy ass jump.

Honestly I think we defend Sonic 06 because of Sonic P-06.

Silver sees the airplanes about to crash into the buildings *"I T S N O U S E ! !"*

In the “things the game did right” list you should give credit to the level design, it’s some of the best in the series, unfortunately rendered unfun by being in a game that feels like shit.

The fact that this mid-2000s Xbox/PS3 game lacks an autosave feature (which became industry standard since 1996 at the latest) is literally inexcusable

As horrible as this Sonic game was. I have to say hands down that the Sonic redesign in this game is my favorite of all time next to the redesign in Sonic Heroes coming in second. This is coming from a Sonic Adventure fan. I wish Sega would use this design in future Sonic projects like they used Sonic model in Heros on Rivals.

Ngl Sonics design in 06 looks ugly to me

the thumbnail is a little bit.... retro!!

God i love everything about this video. Big cybershell vibes and i adore it. Awesome video bro 🔥🔥

Fun extra tidbit about Blaze's part in 06: According to Ian Flynn, 06 now takes place *between* Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure! Why? How? Who knows, but it does! While Blaze showing up in 06 will forever be dumb to me, atleast the Rush prequel explanation made some degree of sense. But I suppose that was just too simple for the "lore team" SEGA has onboard now.

I love the jokes in this video lmao

I’m glad you condemned it, I never grew up with a 360, I went out of my way to play it on my sisters Xbox as a kid, and it’s obvious that the people doing revisionist history for this game never played much of it

I agree with almost everything you pointed out. But do you think elise would able to contain iblis for 200 years? Also the whole blue emerald plot hole was stuck in a loop. Elise gave it to sonic, then to eggman, puts it in the egg genesis, silver obtains it, then back to elise and the cycle repeats. Same could be said with the other emeralds but i don't remember. I wonder if 06's world is a very small pocket universe made by its time travel and doesn't become canon until it's undone. The end of the world stage didn't feature anything from past sonic games. (This would debunk the Solaris scaling though.) Also people concluded that blaze is and always from her dimension.

It's because of nostalgia that people defend it This is because the new generation of sonic fans are people who grew up with the dark Era and they give excuses on the games they grew up with and bash on any other sonic games good or bad that came out before and after the dark Era

LONG FORM!

I will say this, I genuinely don’t believe “The Wii not being powerful enough” was the reason nor do I think it was a good excuse to not port 06 to the Wii, because the next mainline Sonic Game “Unleashed”, was able to be watered down by Dimps in the Wii/PS2 versions (And Unleashed HD is a BIG game). I think it was just 06’s already rushed development and Sonic Team wanted to focus on the Wii’s Motion Controls.

What do you think of P-06? The fan project that wants to “fix” P-06

14:59 I know that Castlevania 1-3 on NES as well as those Game Boy games used that jump, but I personally would call it the "Eurojank Jump" as that kind of jump was most common in Europlatformers on microcomputers such as the C64, ZX Spectrum & Amstrad CPC among others. It was still seen in Europlatformers well into stuff like the Amiga & Atari ST, but by the time the 90s rolled around, developers realized that it's a bad idea to have such a jump in their platformers. For context, the stereotypical Europlatformer routine was this: In order to complete a level, you have to collect a bunch of random items. Keys are sometimes needed to open up a door or whatever, but for the most part these items would otherwise serve no purpose. Whenever there's water droplets, they'll likely damage you Graphics will be overloaded with colors that don't mix all that well In the case of British developed games, the characters could look REAL ugly; James Pond is a good example of this Playing them on NTSC will make the games run too fast as they were made for PAL machines Filled to the BRIM with udderly cheap game design Likely only having 1 ingame music track that plays all throughout

idk hot take but i only like 06 for some of the cutscenes good example is shadow cutscenes ngl.

Good video, I even agree with you on many points, but the aggression towards people who like it is so unnecessary and feels less like a opinion piece and more like blind ranting. Great video other than that.

Ya know what it's great to see someone acutally fighting against teh collective gaslighting this fandom did to itself to pretend this game isn't that bad actually and it got an undeserved bad rep. Like, Sonic Unleahsed is a game that has issue but got an undeserved bad rep at the time and looking back it's acutally not as bad as it was made out to be Sonic 06 is a game that IS just as bad as it's made out to be and it's bad rep is 100% deserved, poeple needa stop pretending otheriwse.

Stories can be mature without endless edge.

💀 Project 06

Based video, '06 is fundamentally flawed from the concept stage, even if SonicTeam had the time to fully finish it, it would've still been crap thanks to the weird realistic art-style, nonsensical time-travel plot, baffling level design full of enemy rooms and weird puzzles that just kill the pace, not to mention feature-creep like the amigos and vehicles. Also as someone who's played P-06, it's okay, they made it feel like the Adventure games so you've got actual acceleration and the jumping/homing attack carries a satisfying feeling weight and momentum but the game still suffers from bad level design and art-style and the awful vehicles are still there.

This is off topic but Mephiles is similar to Zamasu from Dragon Ball Super both take a form of some else Zamasu being Goku and Mephiles being Shadow both of them can create multiple versions of themselves and both of them try to destroy the world, both of them are immortal and they both have godly power.

12:02 LMAO Yooo!!! This is better than the English dub!!!

The common misconception that director ogawa was the original director and got switched out during production isn’t true the root cause stems from an ign article related to the gems collection/pso interview iirc, they’re the cause of this misinfo shocking i know right in an article they implied that ogawa was the sole director of the entire sonic team I mean they called shun nakamura “masato nakamura” in a related sonic 06 interview just shows how competent they are lmao Ogawa was never the original director of 06 he was most likely one of the game designers before switching out for secret rings, Shun Nakamura is the director I even asked maekawa (with screenshots) on twitter a year ago if ogawa really was the main director before and he got switched out or its just a misconception and nakamura was the one and he said it was the latter one he also was one the main game planners (?) of fifth phantom saga and when nakamura and his team came up with psychokinesis and talked about using the havok engine he immediately wanted to use it in a sonic game and that was way before likely late 2002 if I recall correctly in late 2003 the sonic next marathon project begins and the rest is history

did a section of this video disappear? i remember this being a bit longer

Make a video on unleashed. I think that more people need to hear a more critical view on it

11:46 Your voice is too relaxing for you to assault my ears like this.

But so much passion and ambition!!! And Project 06 shows it could be good!! Seriously I’m tired of the apologists

Many games are developed in a rather chaotic manner with things not coming together into a coherent whole until the final stretch, so it's not rare to see a complete mess when looking at the development process. That said they really screwed up this game as a project, the cuts should have been a lot more aggressive once it became obvious that they didn't have the manpower to complete the game in time, I personally think that they should have only left the bare essential parts and make it into a level to level game with cutscenes in-between so they had time to at least fix the basic gameplay. Heck, I would have cut Silver's campaign entirely and left him as an non-playable character. If anything SEGA should have cancelled the project altogether like they did when Sonic X-treme imploded and instead just port Riders to the 360 and PS3 to fill the gap. BTW a detail that I've never seen mentioned but to me seems rather interesting is that around the time when Sonic 06 was being planned and entering production was when EA was finalizing its acquisition of Criterion and there was a lot of uncertainty about the future of Renderware, which was at the time the engine and development platform that Sonic Team was using for their multiplatform games (Heroes, Shadow), so there's a pretty good chance that the reason why there's info about the early work on Sonic 06 having to be suddenly scrapped and restarted in a new engine was because EA pulled the plug on all third party developers using Renderware after some months of mixed messages and promises of a (then) next gen version of the engine. So maybe what started this whole domino effect that ended in a legendary fiasco was EA's licensing shenanigans and not so much Nintendo being cryptic about the Revolution's (Wii) specifications as it's often speculated.

Fifth Phantom Saga looks a lot like a JJBA stand

You should make a video how you would fix 06 and maybe go in depth

How come a single man, say peakness like its sooo ez, love ur content 🔥

You may be skeptic about P06, but as someone who has played both original 06 and P06, the gameplay between these two are night and day. The controls, physics, and abilities have been overhauled, several characters have additional moves that they didn't have in the original, etc. It's not perfect, but it definitely feels more polished than most official 3D Sonic games, if I'm being honest. Its biggest flaw is that it's currently unfinished and the game is not properly optimized yet. I definitely recommend giving it a go whenever you manage to get a decent enough PC.

Bruh, the sonic team was split in HALF to reach an UNGODLY deadline! What was the game that sonic team needed to split itself in half to work on? Sonic and the Secret Ring…. This was the needle that broke the hedgehog’s back.

Venice is a good hedgehog, unlike that show off Snoic. Sanic

This video’s funny asl n I don’t think most ppl get it 😂 good job 👍

i have a slight feeling that this guy isnt a big fan of sonic 06

There’s no RT on a PS3 controller. 360 Controllers has RT, while PS3 controllers has R1.

been a sonic fan my whole life and even I don't understand why people defend this shit game.

I never really saw Elise and Sonic as a romantic duo, she was just happy to be with him

Now look, my friends and I know that Mr.Sonic is the real problem, the rest of sega tries to put good aspects in games like green hill, Mr.Sonic was unaware, by the second game Mr.Tails was able to lock up Mr.Sonic until around 2005, he was so mad he made this game, his perfect vision, Mr.Tails had to flee to not die.

I did play Sonic 06 but I didn't get pretty far

Wait, people were defending this game?

I like sonic 06 story

You can have your opinion that it's not a good game from an objective angle; because the game is legitimately broken in many aspects. But I'm sorry, saying that the game can't be enjoyed ironically? Is just objectively wrong. There's a reason that so many people have completed let plays and streams of this game (even though it's actually fairly long). It's because it's a fascinating failure and also completely hilarious from all angles. It offers everything. Funny glitches? Check. Hilarious dialogue? Check. A nonsensical story that makes no sense but is still funny to try and piece together? Check. Writing errors that just pile on top of the previous, that gaslight you (in a good way) double check. So yes, the game is bad. But saying the game is not so bad it's good, is just wrong. It's a very charming bad game and if you think it's not. Then you haven't actually played 'bad games'. I dare you to try and complete Terminator on the NES and see how much you laugh.

The level design was good.

nah it wouldn't have sucked anyway, the game just would have been peaker than it already was. I can go on for hours as to why I love sonic 06 and why its my favorite sonic game

Great video

this is so fire

i wish the game was what it meant to be

why do you sound kind of like sonic in this video

Your AVGN moment 😂

I especially didn’t like how they nerfed and disrespected Sonic in the story.

I have never played Castlevania, but I got the joke. I Seriously don't know why Sonic between June and November, developed Simon Belmont Disease.

13:33 "as, maybe they couldn't port code from other games" While possible you can't expect it to just work, even worse if it's from a complete different console generation with probably different code language, you'll have to figure out first why it doesn't work and how to translate it to current gen, at that point you're better of starting from scratch, you don't need to be a game developer to understand why this is a very poor and bad idea

Also about the kiss scene, are you sure it wasn't the style clash that made it bad. Cuz I've seen cybershell's video about npc conventions in sa1and mentioned something about people flirting with amy or asking her out.

Who defends Sonic 06? Look I enjoyed it myself because I like parts of the story and characters and tone. But I NEVER defended this game.

We’re in an era where studios are regularly putting out 06 level games without any of the excuses or “ambition” that Sonic Team had back then so it’s only natural that people are looking back on 06 more fondly. P-06 is contributing to that as well. (It’s really fucking good I promise)

Some RU-vidr recently revealed that the final release of P-06 won't have the Story Mode and the Hub-worlds in it, and that some other people might start making mods of those parts so that anyone who does want those parts can get them. That person also said that the final release is likely to become available either later this year or early next year. I've already been planning to get my own laptop PC later this year, and I'm already totally convinced to download the final release of that fanmade remake into it.

11:42 "Rouge, the question is people who annoy you"

18:21 The fuck? That’s weird

Sonic 06 looks like a ps2 game instead of ps3 game it looks ugly grainy and looks like a Final Fantasy game to be honest and most of the PS2 games has ugly texture low resolution and most of the PS2 games has better graphics the Sonic 06 and I'm surprised Sega then try to help at all more like they tried to kill game and oh God don't even give me started on the story who's bright idea for a human kissing a hedgehog like bruh it's like the developers was high enough

At least we have P-06 now. The game is fixed.

Hey, honestly, I have always wondered something ever since I started watching you. How would you rank every mainline Sonic game?

Did anyone try playing this in a USB HDD or SSD? Just curious

15:49 to be fair, like the game's delayed whip, the game was designed around it

ok lol this game is peak dude lmao

Bro did not hold back from 15:20