The Sony FX9, Canon C300 Mkiii or Ursa Mini Pro 12k. What does an Ursa G2 owner upgrade to in 2020?

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Unscripted thoughts ahead... I hadn't used the Sony FX9, c300mkiii or Ursa Mini Pro 12k before making this video. Don't expect side by side comparisons or real world test shots here. Just looking at what each manufacturer claims to offer here and weighing up our next move before testing...
HEADS UP: Sorry for the terrible hunting autofocus on the Xt3 with our brand new 56mm F1.2 (at 1.2). I updated the firmware after shooting but it's still not amazing in this setup. Need to test if this is just too much to ask at F1.2 or if I can tweak the settings to keep my face in focus.
BACK ON TOPIC:
I was intending to edit another video, We'd been testing the C300mkii (yes that's mark 2) recording BRAW to the blackmagic video assist 7" alongside the Ursa to see how they matched for color and if the C300mkii could be a good future autofocus interview camera purchase... oh the irony.
But since the announcement of the Blackmagic Design Ursa Mini Pro 12k, the c300mkiii and the Sony FX9 (all within one grand USD of each other)... I've been thinking a lot about which if any of these cameras we may upgrade to soon or later buy.
I still think the Ursa G2 is the best value cinema/broadcast camera out there but it certainly lacks some of the feature of the above listed cameras. But how important or necessary are those features? How often should we upgrade our cameras? Let's discuss.
If you stay to the end there's some discussion about the Fuji XT3 and 56mm F1.2 which I'm filming with. Previously I'd shot with the 16-55 at F2.8, I think surely I've messed something up in the settings but I'm not sure what. centre focus point, Face tracking enabled, auto eye detection is on.
Tracking sensitivity +4 Autofocus speed -3.
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@SaintProductions1 4 года назад

Aiming for the Ursa 12k. I believe this camera will have at least a 3-year shelf life, before something else pops up that's extremely better ( in the same price range ). Having an editing software that perfectly complements this new camera is something to not look past or take lightly. It's just a matter of time before footage start to get out there; and this camera will be in very high demand.

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

I'm very VERY curious about this camera, downsampled 4 and 8k raw without crop would be sensational. I'm in no rush though seeing how great the G2 is for my needs. Can't wait to see more from the camera

@andrewdenby8239 2 месяца назад

Hi, now 3 years on, what would you recommend for a first camera purchase for a small video production company?

@AlucinorProductions 2 месяца назад

@@andrewdenby8239 if we’re talking similar ballpark cost it might be the Canon C400. Looks like a fantastic all rounder, but I haven’t used it yet. If you’re looking to get something cheaper, potentially used. I’m a massive C70 fan. We have two and an r5c. With the c400, I’m a little put off by the line skipping recording for 100fps+ recording in 4K (not an issue on the C70 as it’s a straight 4K sensor) and the c400 has slightly less dynamic range. But if low light and better autofocus is more your thing than the c400 looks amazing. I’m Waiting to see what Canons next DGO (dual gain output) sensor camera is. I shoot a lot in uncontrolled high contrast situations so dynamic range is hard to go backwards on. We may end up (in the future) with a c400 and their next DGO camera… but honestly we’re in no rush as clients are very happy with the images from our C70s. I’d most likely stick with them (Canon) at this point as we have quite the range of L series RF lenses now and they’re just so reliable. Sony is awesome as well, I just don’t have their lenses

@skatepark02 3 года назад

Instant subscriber here. Great content! When you listed what you wanted in an A can I realised you’re a man after my own heart because that is exactly what I want. I have also been thinking about the jump to the Ursa pro 2 but now the FX6 has popped up and I’m still on the fence about the Eva 1.

@AlucinorProductions 3 года назад

Thanks for the sub mate! Yeah the FX6 looks like an outstanding option. We are enjoying our g2 for now... have had a few issues with reliability though. When working its fantastic though. Now that the FX6 is hitting the same price range (+c70) it makes things very interesting. For those that haven't used it I think braw is BMW'S secret weapon. It's so silky smooth to work with in post with a fantastic range for compression.... i reckon we'll be testing out the fx9 c300 mk iii and others in the coming weeks (or just after Christmas)

@skatepark02 3 года назад

Alucinor Productions i did see your other videos about the issues you’ve had. I’m almost set on getting the G2 despite this however. I’m still trying to decide if it’s overkill or not for my work as I’m only in my second year of business and I mostly shoot training videos and corporate run and gun stuff. The FX6 seems like it would be more suitable for this but so far the image has not impressed me. Do you find the files to be quite big with Blackmagic raw? I’ll be making the Jump from a GH5s and H.264 All-I. I look forward to your next videos!

@AlucinorProductions 3 года назад

@@skatepark02 thanks man! For corporate work I always shoot in q5 braw. It compresses heavily when you don't need lota of data. So interviews etc with mostly static out of focus backgrounds don't get too big. Multiple options for braw much smaller than prores. Despite my issues I'm still happy to have it. Just hoping I have a cruisy time with it now

@AaronCabreroJr 2 года назад

Can you please do a test comparing the Arri alexa classic to the BM 12K ? I’m wondering what you think I should go with for a feature film 🧐

@AlucinorProductions 2 года назад

I'd love to but I don't have access to an Ursa 12k at the moment (just the G2)

@AaronCabreroJr 2 года назад

@@AlucinorProductions what about the red Komodo ? Thoughts on how that stacks up to the classic Alexa ? I found a used arri alexa 4/3 in Germany for $10,000 but it only records in 2.8K and wonder how that will hold up when you upres to 4K? Vs the red Komodo does 6K red raw hmm 🤔

@AlucinorProductions 2 года назад

Ergonomics is a HUGE difference. The Alexas are big and heavy so that's to be taken into account. If only talking image quality, Alexa is the leader imo but that's there's other reasons to choose a camera.

@AaronCabreroJr 2 года назад

@@AlucinorProductions what about full frame glass on that super 35 sensor ? Have you tried using full frame glass on that sensor or a speed booster on it? For the Alexa 👀

@AlucinorProductions 2 года назад

I've shot with the Zeiss ZFs on it a lot. 'A Shadow in the Darkness' (our next short) is coming out on Alter in 11-12 hours. All shot on Zeiss ZF full frame lenses

@JoshBenBernales 4 года назад

I’m currently torn, shooting on the pocket4k for the past 18months has been amazing, I mostly shoot doc style work and really craving internal ND’s... eyeing up the c300mkiii bu that price tag 😭 end of this month Canon is releasing the C70, has the c300 sensor and internal ND’s at $6300 so we’ll see what it’s lacking.

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

Tough call! Yeah will be interesting to see how the C70 shapes up. I'd been looking at the c300mkii as an autofocus bcam but if we can get braw out of the c70 at some point... that may be the better option (newer sensor!)

@JoshBenBernales 4 года назад

Alucinor Productions curious as to why you want Braw through the Canons, is it for the 12bit? The color space transform works well to match any good codec.

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

I'll have to look into the color space transform. But doing it in raw is always preferred. Also keeping with the same codec is HUGE for speed and stability in post

@chardonwaite 4 года назад

At least 90% of my work is still 1080 HD, some of it is still on DVD. So I don't think you need the latest camera either, everything is good nowadays. Camera's I own and love 👇 Blackmagic URSA Mini 4.6k Blackmagic Cinema Camera 2.5k Canon c300 mark i Canon xf305 Canon 6D Mark ii DJI Spark 2x GoPro 4 Black

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

I hear u buddy. All our TVCs are 1080. Most online videos only require it too. For me it's all about nice color, good DR, decent on-board audio (for Acam) and built in nds! (Also fast read speed 120fps for Acam) Having braw and prores is a killer combo with the blackmagic cameras

@pyalot 3 года назад

SFX/post work often benefits from higher resolutions even if the deliverable is 1080p

@AlucinorProductions 3 года назад

@@pyalot yes for vfx work the 12k would be brilliant

@pkonttinen 3 года назад

do I get the c300 or the ursa!?!?

@chardonwaite 3 года назад

@@pkonttinen ursa is still number one for me. C300 is very convenient however.

@אמילבדר-ש9ח 3 года назад

I own the ursa mini pro 12k . And all the “on paper features “ do not matter when the camera have so many issues and bugs that can cost full shooting days . I do not recommend it as an A camera . Now we are thinking to sell and get a more stable camera .

@AlucinorProductions 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing your experience! Sorry to hear. Goodluck! Let us know what you choose to go with

@AlucinorProductions 3 года назад

I don't own the 12k. I would join one of the Facebook groups and have a chat with owners there to get a variety of opinions from users who've had the camera for at least months

@AlucinorProductions 3 года назад

Buddy I accidentally clicked remove reply!! So sorry! Forgot to add I'd be considering the 12k at this price if I didn't already have a g2

@RowsEdits 29 дней назад

I own one for nearly a year and had multiple shoots with it. I don't know if they updated the software since your comment but I Never had a single problem on set. Everything is fine

@tallguytrav 4 года назад

I shoot on the Ursa mini 4.6k because the pro came out almost immediately after it was too late for me to send mine back. Those internal nds would be a lifesaver.

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

Hey man, I feel your pain. Coming from Red, after moving to a camera with inbuilt ND's there's no going back now

@gnkstudios6138 4 года назад

I shoot on pocket 6k that I will use for the next 5 years minimum. C100 that still has atleast 2 more years of life. Love that camera. And the 80d which I plan to move on from next year. I do plan to rotate an buy more cameras but I don't plan on stop using any of these cameras for awhile. When your a pro you really don't care to change to often. New toys are always cool but it's a distraction. Now lenses on the other hand...

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

Well said mate. New lenses lol... I hear u!

@mrkumaran 4 года назад

I’m still happy with my G1. Yes I wish it was better with a few things but I can make do for now.

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

What's the main features you wish you had? 120fps? G1 is still an amazing camera

@mrkumaran 4 года назад

@@AlucinorProductions i don't have use for 120fps. i would prefer dual native ISO, better low light, and no fpn. i would be set. It's an amazing camera, it was my A camera for a feature film, and it was simply wonderful.

@Ali3n_DNA_Films 3 года назад

I’m having a hard time deciding between the Ursa G2 and the new FX6. Any suggestions on the best one to choose?

@AlucinorProductions 3 года назад

I havent used the fx6 yet so very difficult for me to say. If you have a lot of Sony compatible lenses that you love, maybe the fx6. Also if low light and full frame is important... I'm looking forward to taking the fx9 and 6 for a spin soon...

@LaplantFilm 3 года назад

Shooting on P4K for 2 Years now. The 12K just dropped to 6k. I am really thinking about it to be a first A Cam. Not really sure but it looks tempting. The G2 would be my favorite but with the pricedrop the 12K is a now brained choice

@AlucinorProductions 3 года назад

Yeah if I didn't already have a G2 it would be very difficult not to pull the trigger on one at this price. I haven't used one myself but am curious about if there's anymore aliasing or moire at 8k... I think with the faster sensor read speed and 100+ fps achieveable at 8k (compared to slower 12k read speed and 60fps) I'd be living on 8k a lot of the time.

@LaplantFilm 3 года назад

@@AlucinorProductionsI would jump between 8 and 4 K all the time :). Would you get a 12k now instead of the g2?

@AlucinorProductions 3 года назад

@@LaplantFilm I'd want to try it out first but if I was buying today then yeah I'd probably go that way... ProRes is handy for freelance shoots though. I did a 1080p baked in (not log) freelance day recently... Not used to not being able to change white balance later!

@thetiger3223 4 года назад

I am not good at English, can you give me the video summary? Which is the best?⁦☺️⁩

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

I thought the c300mkiii is perhaps "the best" all rounder... but I'm happy sticking with my Ursa Mini Pro G2 for now

@Aaron_Smith_OM 4 года назад

I have the Pocket 4K and 6K cameras. I love them. However, I do want a higher end camera for luxury car ad work that I'm getting into and VFX heavy Sci Fi. I was thinking about RED, but I lost interest after I realized how over hyped it is. I mean, Canon, Sony, BM and Kinefinity get me more excited than RED. Anyway, endgame is ARRI. But for now, I'm interested in the Ursa Mini Pro 12K. I don't need autofocus or IBIS - never had it from my Canon Xl2 days to my current set up now. But I've always loved the color of Canon, they just seem to cripple their cams and I don't like that. I just need a solid workhorse, with good dynamic range (12 stops and higher), Super 35 sensor capable of 4K 60 or higher, options for anamorphic shooting, and no proprietary bullshit. Oh, thanks for asking and uploading. I like your opinion even if some differ from mine. It's just nice to hear other people and their interests and not be all pissy about it. Have a good day and stay safe and healthy.

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

Thanks for the kind words man! Sci fi, vfx, luxury cars, no need for ibis or auto focus... sounds like the Ursa 12k was made for you?! Are you happy just shooting braw? (I mostly shoot braw, only prores when clients ask for it). Goodluck with your next purchase and projects!

@Aaron_Smith_OM 4 года назад

@@AlucinorProductions hi there! Thanks for replying, it means a ton! I am happy with BRAW. Honestly, when I first got introduced to RAW back in 2013 with the original BMCC 2.5K, I haven't gone back to Prores or DNxHD unless (like you said) it's for a client. But most times I edit my clients work and they could care less if it's Prores or RAW. RAW just gives me more control in the end and more real estate in the event an error was made and needs to be corrected in post.

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

@@Aaron_Smith_OM totally agree

@organismx 4 года назад

I think the smart move for "me" would be to skip this generation of 10K video cameras , even tho I feel that owning one would make my life way easier. And this solely based on lens choices. I am into documentary work , and if you are OK with super 35, then the MKX/MK Zoom lenses are really one of the most compelling choices out there for the price , Just Imagine If sony puts out an FS7 mark iii with new improved menu and colors, or I Fuji finally drops a cine camera (Why not they have the lenses, and I own X-T4 so I am allowed to dream) ? Or imagine if canon drops an RF Cinema line to go with the stabilized RF 2.8 Zoom lenses, you would to help you get easy handheld stable shots! and we have not heard from panasonic yet with that L-mount that they will takke advantage of with all those sigma lenses. I were you I would wait , and the G2 still produces some of the best looking footage I think, and I want to believe that Blackmagic is going to put out an 6k Ursa soon, or a pocket 6K with built in NDs , that would be amazing. I agree with you C300 mk iii is what I would pick if I were to buy today, but if they later drop an rf mount cinema cam , I would feel like I had maid a mistake, and they will do it soon to make up for the R5 problems , But I am going to force myself to wait. X-t4 is going hard for now , I am looking closely at MKX 18-55mm but I am not sure because I wan to be sure what mY cinema camera will be first!

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

Hows the stabilisation on the xt4? As Xt3 owners we are thinking about picking up an xt4 to pair it with (with ibis)...the mkx lenses look excellent. Do they come in PL or EF? Also have you checked out the new s35 DZOfilm 2.8 zooms 20-55 and 50-125. Parfocal

@organismx 4 года назад

Stabilization is good enough for handheld standing shots, 0 micro jitters! You will do smooth pans handheld if you get a feel for the Ibis and that you stay in sink with it it wrks beautifully. If you use it with the 18-55 kit lens , it’s almost like cheating, you can slowly walk with it if you are extra careful. You will not be running with it especially not at 24fps. But just like you i also own 16-55 for a max image quality to flexibility ratio, but it does not have IS there for with that lens I find myself shooting less from the hip and rather looking through the EVF for a third point of contact and I manage to get smooth shots, and with the 35 f2 ibis woks surprisingly good. For the price of the X-t4, I really could not ask it to do more, besides 30 min record limits and no adapted xlr module. Yes 🙂 I did see the DZO zooms, but keep in mind that The MKX lenses are native x-mout winch mean they are telling the camera at what focal length you are in for the ibis to adjust, not that the MKX lenses are optimized for mirorless handheld setups, but the fact is that you can, and they sell DIY conversion kit for E-mount which is why enven tho I am not a fan of sony, but if they put out a new aps-c cinema camera , which they will, those fujinon cinema zooms all of the sudden make a lot of sens. DZO would be a great choice for Ursa G2 and C300 mk iii !

@organismx 3 года назад

Was watchin this video again ... lol ... did not realize i had watched and commented already. I am about to pull the trigger on the c300 mk iii . Seems like the best choice for me right now in my career

@Querenciatv 4 года назад

Awesome Work ✌️

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

Thanks heaps!

@youngonestudio 3 года назад

The Mavo Edge when it lands we think will take the lead

@AlucinorProductions 3 года назад

I didn't realise Kinefinity had something new on the way.... cool!

@youngonestudio 3 года назад

@@AlucinorProductions it’s a beast....if it works

@storyfrontier 4 года назад

Nice vid mate. Its the words that counted

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

Thanks

@mbailey802 3 года назад

lol 2 weeks later the ursa 12k price drops nearly in half

@AlucinorProductions 3 года назад

Yep awesome deal at that price

@madsastvad 4 года назад

Mate, I don't have a fuxi xt3, but there's got to be a something you can tweak. Appreciate the humorous approach :-)

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

I was sooo close to not posting it because of how bad the autofocus was jumping around, but I decided to lean towards self deprecating honesty. First video shot with the lens. For stills it's been a blast, I don't shoot with autofocus almost ever outside of RU-vid... I'll try sort it out over the weekend. Agreed must be a setting somewhere. (Shane probably knows but he was out of the office)

@blaspayri 4 года назад

@@AlucinorProductions I have an xt3 and it is not usable with autofocus for self recording. I use it with fix focus and try no to move, or better, I use other cameras.

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

@@blaspayri thanks for the info. I've previously used it at 55mm but at f2.8 with the 16-55. Do you think 1.2 is just asking too much? Ill likely test at different apurtures... would love to test the xt4. At 1.2 the tiniest movement and your out of focus (hence why I didn't look it off in manual). Thanks again

@blaspayri 4 года назад

@@AlucinorProductions I have tried f4 and f2.8. The problem is that AF is either 100% reliable or unusable, and in the XT3 you need an external monitor to see yourself, and the remote application to control recording and focusing is really unusable. About the XT4, it should be better but far from perfect for AF, see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_uDrBk8NxPc.html or ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-B7JD50mP30o.html

@AlucinorProductions 4 года назад

@@blaspayri thanks!

@harpreetdhillon1497 2 года назад

More of a philosophical video and less of a comparison between Fx9, C300 & Ursa 12K. Could you throw a little light on Ursa 12k Skin Tones and why it is not approved by Netflix while others are

@AlucinorProductions 2 года назад

I honestly don't know for sure. I know they did recently release firmware update 7.7... “The 7.7 update further enhances sensor performance for Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 12K. This update refines the sensor’s unique technology with fine adjustments to the demosaic algorithm, leading to a more neutral color balance and enhanced sharpness of shadow details for better overall image quality” One of the key features is Improved demosaic to reduce moire effects on fine patterns. As the BMD cameras don't come with OLPF's (which I think is crazy) they CAN be prone to moire and aliasing in a way that a RED or ALEXA for example never would. It's rarely if ever been a real world issue for me, but we have a rawlite OLPF on our Ursa G2. My guess is that it's the potential for aliasing or moire. I don't have a 12k though so can't be sure. If this can be solved algorithmically that's pretty neat, but I honestly think all their cameras should have IRCUT OLPF installed by default.