That's kinda the point. He hates himself for being weak. For being so easily annoyed by small things. For being so emotional. For being unable to communicate and control his resentment and anger. That's why he respects "Gary Cooper" like someone he could never be. To be honest, we all built like that.
@@juannaym8488 You can't be a strong and silent type while seeing a therapist. A strong and silent type means that you keep all your emotions and worries bottled up and never express them. You don't go to therapy and ask for help. You keep your issues to yourself and deal with them. That's the definition of a strong silent type. What Tony is doing here is the exact opposite of a strong silent type
We all have our own role models that we worship. I think all men want to be the strong silent type. A strong man, a stoic who does what he has to do without complaining. Modern men worship masculinity because masculinity has been erased from our culture.
That's interesting .... gave himself a good line and acted it very funny. Always quality with the Sopranos ..... can't always make out the dialogue though :-(
My favorite thing about Sil was that while he usually came off as the level-headed, reasonable peacemaker, in reality he was completely insane, especially when he was gambling.
Sil is just as ruthless as the others but he prefers harmony and peace and doesn't thrive on drama (except when he's gambling or talking about Italian heritage)
"He was gay, Gary Cooper?" "NOOOO Are you listening to me?" "You got it because you're smart, you were you or whatever the fuck." There were so many good lines in this rant. Great scene!
"did you get it because youre italian" well yeah he was in a gang where you had to be italian to become a high ranking member and the bing was gained illegally and used for illegal purposes lol
LA-SaintJust Yeah, but people like Hesh flourished as an ‘associate’ of an Italian gang (despite not being one) more so than most of the Italian members.
@@brwhizz3060 Hesh more than likely had more money than all of them, even if you took out his connections to Tony and the crew. Its said and shown many times that he wrote a bunch of number one hits back in the day and is still banking off the royalties. That can actually be something thrown into the prequel possibly.
I was scrolling for this comment. He didn't have to do business like any other American because he's connected due to being Italian. He killed indiscriminately and mostly got away with it because he's connected due to being Italian. If he failed, his Family would have helped him out due to him being connected because he's Italian. Would Tony have even let him in that car if he wasn't?
Yeah the characters on Sopranos would act so much like real people would. It's not insane to think about but when I realise I have not seen that on any other show it really is incredible writing.
No doubt. So silly people getting all hilarious over some character that's pure myth and has been for centuries. As Marcus Aurelius said, "quickly lost to sight and mind alike".
@@joearnold5836 >seethes about Italian's remembering Columbus after a couple hundred years >brings up some several thousand year old quote from another Italian while trying to prove his point You're the silly one
@@johnclay2716 You might want to re-read what I wrote because it seems to of gone over your head. Saying something is "silly" and seething aren't exactly the same thing. Meditations has been in print for almost half a millennium by the way and is regarded as some of the best philosophical work ever recorded. Stop seething over silly stuff on the internet and you'll be happier. Have a nice night.
Like Seinfeld, The Soprano's could sometimes be a drama about nothing. You gotta love the loopy interaction between these characters. How many of us have been back seat prisoners to inane conversations like this? This kind of wacky sidebar was another reason the show was awesome. Blood, guts. guns, tragedy, suspense, sex and ...whatever this was. I wonder what Frankie Valli would have said......?
There was always a plot but you are dead on, the natural and usually irrelevant dialogue was alot like Seinfeld or even more like a Tarantino script. Brilliantly inane
@@thegadflygang5381 I think those inane moments made them more human & relatable. LOL Tarantino working in the Burger King aka "La Grand Fromage" conversation in Pulp Fiction is classic!
I've been there where two people arguing in the car and the others coming in here and there throughout until everybody finally shut the hell up for 10 minutes...one person breaks the silence to ask if anyone is hungry or they got to stop to use the bathroom.
@@nrw9724 another moment when it's apparent that there's nothing Italian about Italian-Americans, and that nearly all hyphenated Americans outside first generation are glorified cosplayers. Anyway, $3 a pound.
Expectation: strong silent type who saves the town from the bad guys. Reality: depressed criminal leeching off society and then blabbing to a shrink. That show was so well written
Show has that incredible one liners that keep repeating, each and every time get funnier. Nursing home... ITS A RETIREMENT COMUNITY!! and "im not running a popularity contest" hilarious
@@iwazhear77 that’ll be us one day, you either end up being like tony (what in the world happened to x thing i specifically care about) or like livia (just let me die, 20 years before you’re even downhill physically)
Gary Cooper was a first-generation American- both his parents were Brits living in the USA and he also did UK boarding school as a child so he was in touch with his English roots.
Funny how Tony is so socially unacceptable the whole show, and then he randomly has moments of super progressivism, or at least it seems when compared to his buddies 😂
Modern "progressives" are all about making as much noise they can about their group identity... What Tony argued is actually more of a libertarian/conservative view on race.
An all time favorite Tony/Sil scene that perfectly illustrates how this brilliant show walked the thin line between satire and drama..a near impossible thing to do. Damn but I miss this show. And RIP the Great Gandolfini. Gone way way too soon.
I love that out of everything Chris could’ve said to contribute to the argument he said that sounding so curious and clueless lol, it’s so subtle but I find it so fuckin hilarious
James Gandolfini was, is one of humanity's greatest actors. Nobody can do that emotional wave, from up to down to up again as good as him, whilst always appearing utterly authentic.
this is why this show is the best the dialogue was so real and grounded, not played up or over dramatized like most other shows these characters felt like real people.
It’s acted naturalistically but the writing isn’t always committed to naturalism. The show’s more campy than it’s willing to admit which is its biggest flaw.
Tony was right. Every one's heritage/culture was spit on and screwed over at some point. You can be pissed off, sure but you gotta get over it, grow some balls and do what you need to do to live and survive! Probably his best advice in the entire series!
The irony of living so far in the past that it prevents better relations with people in the present. Nothing wrong with learning your history but holding grudges for the sins of the father isn't going to make things any better.
He brings up an interesting point. A person can take on the mindset of a victim without actually being one. That just holds you back in the long run. Hmmm...
Love Silvios Face at 2:20 - a mix of confused, outraged and contemplating of how to best respond to his boss - Van Zandt probably copied some techniques from Gandolfini on that one..
2:52 Tony threw his hands up like a penguin. Also lmao Christopher face was like “whatever, at least I pretended to be interesting in the conversation”
Tony was dropping jewels on them. Tony had the new school mentality to mob life and that's why he wanted to give Vito a pass as well. He didn't really care for traditional mob lifestyle he only cared about making money.
@@xboxmoonpartingty104 tbh I think if Ralph didn't spray bug spray in tony's eyes or try and stab him I think Tony would only beat the shit out of ralph.
T is actually right. This whole episode deals with a lot of the bull shit people call Italian discrimination. Melfi basically explained it perfectly. "What you said may very well be true. But what do poor Italian immigrants from 100 years ago have to do with you."
Gary Cooper (born Frank James Cooper; May 7, 1901 - May 13, 1961) was an American actor. Known for his natural, authentic, understated acting style and screen performances, Cooper's career spanned 36 years, from 1925 to 1961, and included leading roles in 84 feature films. He was a major movie star from the end of the silent film era through to the end of the golden age of Classical Hollywood. His screen persona appealed strongly to both men and women, and his range of performances included roles in most major film genres. His ability to project his own personality onto the characters he played contributed to his natural and authentic appearance on screen. Throughout his career, he sustained a screen persona that represented the ideal American hero. Cooper began his career as a film extra and stunt rider, but soon landed acting roles. After establishing himself as a Western hero in his early silent films, he became a movie star in 1929 with his first sound picture, The Virginian. In the early 1930s, he expanded his heroic image to include more cautious characters in adventure films and dramas such as A Farewell to Arms (1932) and The Lives of a Bengal Lancer (1935). During the height of his career, Cooper portrayed a new type of hero-a champion of the common man-in films such as Mr. Deeds Goes to Town (1936), Meet John Doe (1941), Sergeant York (1941), The Pride of the Yankees (1942), and For Whom the Bell Tolls (1943). In the postwar years, he portrayed more mature characters at odds with the world in films such as The Fountainhead (1949) and High Noon (1952). In his final films, Cooper played non-violent characters searching for redemption in films such as Friendly Persuasion (1956) and Man of the West (1958). In 1933, Cooper married New York debutante Veronica Balfe, and they had one daughter. The marriage was interrupted by a three-year separation that was precipitated by Cooper's affair with Patricia Neal. Cooper received the Academy Award for Best Actor for his roles in Sergeant York and High Noon, and he received an Academy Honorary Award for his career achievements in 1961. He was one of the top 10 film personalities for 23 consecutive years and was one of the top money-making stars for 18 years. The American Film Institute (AFI) ranked Cooper 11th on its list of the 25 greatest male stars of classic Hollywood cinema.
I'm an Italian-American. Third-generation. To be honest, I've always felt like Italian people were treated VERY well in comparison to many other ethnic-groups which migrated to America. Never, not ONCE, has someone intentionally tried to make me feel ashamed of being Italian, shown me prejudice, or ANYTHING like that. I've always been treated with respect. Let's be real, comparing the plight of the American Indian Natives, to the prejudice received by migrating Italians, is akin to comparing Jewish people in WW2 to Mexican people in America today. It's apples & oranges. Hell, it's nearly apples and baseballs.
@House of Savoy Oh you're a cute wiseass. The Irish got potatoes throw at them off the boat. Couldn't get a job because the stores had signs that said "No Irish need apply." But the Irish built this country and didn't bitch and moan about it 100 of years later. Screaming racism racism
Italians were the first immigrants to land on American soil & deny & look down on having an American identity because it’s engrained in Italian culture to think you’re better than everyone else. That’s why they were treated badly, it rubbed Americans the wrong way. When Irish, Germans, Polish etc. got here they integrated into society, learned the language & culture & embraced having a newfound American identity. Italians wanted their own neighborhoods, workplaces, churches, many didn’t want to bother learning English & just looked down upon any non Italians in general. That don’t fly too well in the great U.S. of A 🤷🏽♂️
Natives and African Americans yes. But everyone else? Medical care, Housing, College scholarships, affirmative action, carried by the media. Migrants today are spoon fed coddled children compared to Italian and Irish immigrants. Ofc no one showed you "Italian" prejudice. It's not 1910 anymore.
To me, this is still the best scene in the Sopranos. It makes a great point as to where people fit in society and how they are viewed. Sil is still my favorite character on the show. Gandolfini is just unbelievable.
Finally, a bloody comment describing how good this dialogue was. Nowadays everyone wants to claim their a victim of something that happened so long ago and never focus on what they have now or what they could have.
@@Beowulf95 I will say that I certainly understood what Tony was saying. Today, too many people use history as a crutch for why they can't get or do better. Tony couldn't have illustrated his point better
Joe Black But the only reason Silvio has any of those things is because he's part of a criminal organization established because of Italian identity politics. Not entirely, but he wouldn't be anywhere near where he was without this organization
nobody in that organization gets above grunt level without being a good earner or demonstrating some talent. Silvo became a made man and got far in the organization because of his own merit. If he was a bad earner and had no other talent, he wouldn't have been made. He would of just been a foot soldier who'd handle collections or low level hits. Tony's whole point is Silvio succeeded because he talent and he applied it, the whole identity politics thing was moot point.
