It's no coincidence that the fall of the Spartan nation in 200 BC lines up almost perfectly with the rise of the Pictish nation at the same time in Scotland.
@@user-qn4tq2qt5m from my limited experience with the gay community they would use 2 F words regularly, Fierce, and Fabulous. That's why I found it so funny in the moment.
They actually have only one six pack in the middle of the breastplate, the ones on the sides arent representing a six pack, they were common in the ancient times to make the soldiers look stronger, also that shape is good for deflecting arrows, although not the most efficient, it looks better than having your breastplate round making you look fat isn't it?
Fun Fact: Whilst the Spartans did not have an elite dedicated unit of gay guys, their rivals, the Thebans, did. They had a 300 member elite squadron known as the Sacred Band, all made up of homosexual men who trained and lived in pairs. They actually played a critical role in the downfall of Sparta at the Battle of Leuctra
fun fact while there was no elite unit of gay guys in Sparta, homosexuality in the spartan army was explicitly welcomed. So they probably were all gay.
The question is what did the king exactly mean with friends, because in ancient greece the whole brotherhood thing could quickly get really gay. For example Achilles and Pathrokles were more than just good friends.
The funniest part of this is that Spartans used to actually indulge in gay sex, they thought it brought the warriors closer together, and most would only take wives to continue their bloodlines
Wait , I never heard of "Spartans indulging gay relationship (youtube censorship)" before. Can I ask for source? I believe you are mixing up Spartan Hoplites with Theban Sacred Band.
@@hannibalburgers477 you should look into the pederasty in Ancient Greece. Older more experienced men would take in young boys and teach them everything, even in that area, I think. You can look it up
@@DrHardlyKummsz This is why I asked for source 🤦♂️ How mature you are. I am sure you know everything about Sparta. So how about you stop cowering under a manhole and come to me with a proper argument, you sodden-witted yellow belly edgelord?
I like how Leonidas is not explicitly gay in this like the rest of the army but he's also not mad that he's been misled into at least 4 different gay sex related activities. Very wholesome and progressive, Mr. Leonidas.
I don’t think Sparta had a concept of straightness. Athens and Rome considered what we might call bi to be the norm so I’d be surprised if Sparta was any different.
@AndreTreeCantSeeMe Athens was too . I was oversimplifying but it got the general point across. Also while the general stance was against adult bottoms that wasn’t always the case in all social circles. Societies tend to break into different social opinions based on class, with the aristocracy usually being much looser and the peasantry usually being much stricter. As long as you weren’t publicly the bottom, a lot of the time it wouldn’t be a problem
I read somewhere-and I don't know how true this is- that Sparta actually encouraged homosexual relationships between their soldiers because it was believed that a man will fight harder than usual in front of his lover in order to not bring shame or something to said lover. Again, no idea how factual this info was. Just something I read online.
@AndreTreeCantSeeMe that was Rome, Sparta was before them. While it's true that in Rome the biggest, strongest, and largest hung warriors got to be tops...it wasn't a shame to be a bottom, they considered it taking in the warriors essence and further empowering themselves. There were all kinds of weird ideas about getting nutted in back then.
Historically Spartan warriors were paired up with veterans and were encouraged to be lovers so that on the battlefield they would be more motivated to look out for each-other.
Spartans were definitely homophillic. It got especially weird when some of them married - they would cut their newlyweds hair, dress her boyish. This would go on for years [Source: Brettany Hughes, "Meet the Spartans", BBC [2003]
Actually, with their...scantily clad armor and exposed skin, oiling would be a good strategy; it would make them hard to get a hold of...and make them "hard" in general.
"I wouldn't be able to fight if I thought some gay guy was checking out my body." The opposite was true. They weren't allowed to get married until 30 in a lot of cases, and they were encouraged to get boyfriends in the army not only to blow off steam, but also to drive them to fight harder to defend their lovers.
This is somehow the single most relatable Snl skit for me, pretty much my entire friend group and everyone I hang out with are gay, and I’m that one straight friend who half the time doesn’t realize it.
None of you illiterate idiots knows jackshit about ancient Greek history apart from the generic superficial propaganda they "teach" you in your dumbass foreign schools for a few courses. Not only homosexuality was punishable by DEATH in Ancient Sparta, but in classic Athens gay men were chased by the police of the time and they were banned from participating in any social activity such as theaters, gyms, and voting. Aristotle himself famously said to a gay man "I pitty you for you stopped being a man, yet without becoming a woman". And most statues or other depictions of homosexual behavior were the today's equivalent caricatures meant to ridicule such behavior, not encourage homosexuality let alone embrace it. So get your actual facts STRAIGHT (no pun intended) you uneducated trolls!
Pretty sure that was Thebes, but it was definitely a thing! The spartan style was more of an informal thing, you’d have men having relationships encouraged by leaders for the qualities you mentioned, but the theban sacred band was specifically designed to be made up of gay lovers (I couldn’t find whether or not the couples were recruited or if they were matched up), with specific roles and oaths sworn at the tomb of iolas (Herakales boyfriend) They notably defeated Sparta in a battle before they were felled by Phillip 2 of Macedonia and his son Alexander the Great, but they had mad respect for the guys
what is it like being gay? is it true you know all the best jokes? And do you really know what's going to be in fashion like a year beforehand? Can you fly?
None of you illiterate idiots knows jackshit about ancient Greek history apart from the generic superficial propaganda they "teach" you in your dumbass foreign schools for a few courses. Not only homosexuality was punishable by DEATH in Ancient Sparta, but in classic Athens gay men were chased by the police of the time and they were banned from participating in any social activity such as theaters, gyms, and voting. Aristotle himself famously said to a gay man "I pitty you for you stopped being a man, yet without becoming a woman". And most statues or other depictions of homosexual behavior were the today's equivalent caricatures meant to ridicule such behavior, not encourage homosexuality let alone embrace it. So get your actual facts STRAIGHT (no pun intended) you uneducated trolls!
Feel free to give me the name of some authors or perhaps a link so I can learn then instead of just picking on my comment. My intention was not to insult anyone, but if you took it that way I apologize.
***** Actually,sorry to burst your bubble of contained heterosexual macho,but it is true. Αν χρειαζεσαι συγκεκριμενο αποσπασμα,μπορεις να διαβασεις Πλατωνα η Αριστοφανη, ακομα και στην Ιλιαδα υπαρχουν αναφορες. Δεν σου λεω οτι πηδιοντουσαν καθε μερα με δωδεκαχρονα τρυφερα αγορακια οπως το κανουν να ακουγεται,καμια σχεση,αλλα η ομοφυλοφιλια δεν ηταν το ταμπου το οποιο εμεις εχουμε σημερα.
Xenophon's Spartan Society. I would recommend you do the translation yourself to avoid confusion, read the part about the married life and sex in Sparta then come back and say to me your opinion.
+Alex Orf Actually sorry to burst your bubble but Plato was heavily known to hate Spartans and had all the reason to degrade them (remeber it happened after Athens lost the Pelopponisian war) and Aristofanis really, the vulgar satirist for whom nothing was sacred. Σου σινιστω να διαβασεις του Ξενοφοντος την Λακαιδεμονιων Πολιτεια φιλε μου για να δεις τη γνωμη μη Σπαρτιατη για τον τροπο ζως τους. Παρεπιπτοντος αναφερεται και στην ομοφιλοφιλια και πως αντιμετωπιζωνταν οσοι ηταν ομοφιλοφιλοι.
BelladonaAtropina Lol I see what you did there XD But what i really mean was that the skit portrayed the Spartans more accurately in terms of history. Real Spartand wore cuirass armor, rather than capes, loinclothes, and being topless. This may sound crazy, but they actually practiced homosexuality too ;)
BelladonaAtropina Funny as this sounds. But Spartans practiced homosexuality more than the Athenians did. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece
"Various ancient Greek sources record incidents of courage in battle and interpret them as motivated by homoerotic bonds." Haha, now it makes sense why they were so "brave".
He started talking at the beginning of the video and I was like "Woah, idk who's playing Leonidas in this but he sounds EXACTLY like Gerard Butler!" Then there was the close up on his face and I was like "Oh... Makes sense."
Fun fact the Spartans training was so intense that war was actually a break for them. I mean can you believe that their training was intense war was considered a break for that.
One of the most powerful armies of all times was made up entirely of gay couples. You fight extra hard when you really want to protect someone you're next to. Useless trivia of the day ;-) Edit: I'm not talking about Sparta, I'm talking about the sacred band of Thebes.
they didnt see their wives once a year lol and also killing other guys for profession is not the same as the modern gym lifestyle that you are practicing
The funny thing is that the army that finally defeated and utterly crushed the Spartans, was the Sacred Band of Thebes, a professional army that was 100% homosexual.