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The Stagg XF by Fellow Products: A Different Kind of Pourover Brewer 

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Join us for a closer look at one of our newer filter brewers, the Stagg XF pourover from San Francisco-based Fellow Products.
The 2-Cup Pourover: • At Home with James Bai...
A Considered Approach to Grinding: • At Home with James Bai...
RECIPE:
24g of coffee
400g of clean, soft water
Aim to have all of your water added within 2 minutes 30 seconds to 2 minutes 45 seconds, with your all of your water having drained by 3 minutes 30 seconds to 3 minutes 45 seconds.
GRINDER SETTINGS:
For a 24g dose, we suggest the following...
Fellow Ode: 6
Baratza Encore: 20
Wilfa Svart: A in Aeropress
Wilfa Uniform: 27
MUSIC:
Mitsubachi by Smith The Mister smiththemister.bandcamp.com

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@Ronald-hs3pr
@Ronald-hs3pr 23 дня назад
I normally don’t comment on videos, but this was so helpful. I’ve been struggling to get the flavor profile I know I can get out of my favorite light roast and this helped me get it back on track. Thanks for your knowledge!
@alvaroolivo8281
@alvaroolivo8281 2 года назад
I got one of these as a gift for Christmas. This video has been immensely helpful in learning how to use this set and your recipe + grind settings were spot on for me. Thanks for taking the time to make and share it!
@Jason-tz8xn
@Jason-tz8xn 4 месяца назад
To someone who’s still trying to figure out the pourover art, this was a fantastic video. I wish more videos had more basic ratio information like this.
@user-ne5yz6yw4j
@user-ne5yz6yw4j 2 года назад
Very good and funny videos bring a great sense of entertainment!
@scalwi
@scalwi 3 года назад
great review--they are calling them anti-clog to highlight the problem that sometimes happens with the Kalita when the wet paper forms a seal with all three holes and slows drainage. It is why some people put a screen (suggested by Scott Rao) between the filter paper and the bottom of the dripper.
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 3 года назад
Thanks, Scott.
@brianjustinramos9521
@brianjustinramos9521 2 года назад
Hi I would just like to point out that the gasket under the Stagg X has these ridges that I believe are meant for air to escape/be pushed through during brewer so a carafe/decanter with a spout may not be necessary.
@mnm-jr
@mnm-jr 2 года назад
Going to try a level six grind on my ode tomorrow, using this brewer.
@upscalebohemian5372
@upscalebohemian5372 6 месяцев назад
For me the weak link in pour over is the glass carafe, regardless of which method you use. For my Moccamaster KBGV Select I immediately pour the coffee into a 1 liter Alfi Hotello carafe. After years of using an Alfi Juwel, the Hotello was a bit of a revelation because there's no glass thermal chamber inside to break, and no rubber seal at all around the lid. The lid is about 1" high and hollow and keeps the coffee hot for over 90 minutes. I liked this so much and got so tired of feeling like I had to rush my pour over coffee drinking before it got cold that I bought another l6 liter version of the Alfi Hotello carafe and now I do the pour over coffee directly into the Hotello (setting a Kalita dripper over the hotello on the scale instead of a glass carafe). You can't do this visually, you need to use a scale, but if you have a scale it works great, and that way I can drink the pour over at my leisure without it getting too cold too fast.
@johanpettersson-evers5367
@johanpettersson-evers5367 Год назад
Great video, thanks!
@claritean
@claritean 3 года назад
very enjoyable videos
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 3 года назад
Thanks for watching, Roman.
@EdoardoSantangelo
@EdoardoSantangelo 3 года назад
You guys are great. Love your content.I’d love to see a review of the Espro bloom ... I’ve been using it over the past 4 months and it has become my favourite pour over method ! Maybe in the near future ?
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 3 года назад
Thank you for the kind words, Edoardo.
@reubenl3973
@reubenl3973 Год назад
I just tried mine out first time today, and the brew was done in 2mins. i ground it on the ode with the dial at 3 and noticed that the drawdown was much quicker than i expected.
@adamthemute
@adamthemute 3 года назад
Nice review. I'm interested in this and the Espro Bloom, but can't bring myself to spend over double the price on filters as good Cafec V60 papers. I'm sure that's in their business model, but overall I think they lose out on more customers/money going this way.
@amin1987
@amin1987 Год назад
Love the channel! I am going to give your recipe a go soon. what is your recommended click number for grinding on the comandante C4O? Thanks.
@mikegillespiemusic
@mikegillespiemusic 7 месяцев назад
good tips. Thank you! Feel like this is required viewing if you own one of these....
@mitchellmiller2438
@mitchellmiller2438 2 года назад
I'm using a Niche Zero grinder. For Espresso I'm at a dial setting of 15, at a setting of 45 I'm still finding fairy slow flow on the XF (taking almost 5 minutes for all the water to drain through). Wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or if I should still be grinding even coarser? Cups actually seem a bit watery despite the slow extraction, worried that will taste under extracted if I go even coarser...
@holliedekraai4137
@holliedekraai4137 2 года назад
What setting on ode grinder did you use?
@costam5591
@costam5591 Год назад
Thank you for your review. Would you use the same method for 36gr of coffee?
@noone9966
@noone9966 Год назад
Does one have to grind coarser than the grind size of an equivalent V60?
@smtesta
@smtesta 2 года назад
I’ve needed to grind finer than v60 or it drains fast.
@nelakasparova3428
@nelakasparova3428 2 года назад
Wow, great recipe, thank you! I got my Stagg XF recently and I very much like the coffee from it. I love the fact that you provided grinding setting for that many grinders. Although I am a bit surprised to see 20 for Baratza Encore - I was grinding on that one with level 13. But I am very excited to try your exact recipe!
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 2 года назад
Looking forward to hearing about the results, Nela.
@nelakasparova3428
@nelakasparova3428 2 года назад
@@workshopcoffee9001 this coarser grinding and recipe works great for bigger volume ~600ml and more. But if I brew just one cup it requires finer grinding.
@nelakasparova3428
@nelakasparova3428 2 года назад
@@workshopcoffee9001 to bee honest, when I set 20 for Baratza, the water ran through coffee to fast and it was a bit under-extracted. But setting 18 on Bartza Encore worked best for me :)
@stevenu.1888
@stevenu.1888 3 года назад
Does this mean your last pour is 25 grams? 75+50+50+50+50+50+50+25?
@patricktrossbach668
@patricktrossbach668 3 года назад
You guys should try to do a colab with James Hoffman! Love both of your channels :)
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 3 года назад
Thanks fo watching, Patrick.
@matrixfan50
@matrixfan50 15 дней назад
Any suggestions for a king grinder k6?
@kimichen3524
@kimichen3524 3 года назад
Love this video! I know this might be a weird question, but how can I tweak the ratio for the end result to taste closer to an espresso (I like adding milk to my coffee so would like it to be a little bit denser and stronger)?
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 3 года назад
Great question, Kimi. You won’t be able to get anywhere near the concentration and strength of an espresso, but if you want to brew a denser and stronger cup then here are some things we’d advise: Use a more developed roast (our espresso roasts for example are suited to espresso, milk drinks and fuller bodied filter brewing) and updose your ratio from around 60g per litre to closer to 75g per litre, so that would be 30g to 400g water instead of 24g as recommended above. To avoid under-extracting when using a higher dose you should also grind a couple of steps finer. The resulting cup should be stronger with a greater intensity of flavour that will stand out and cut through milk better. We hope that helps somewhat!
@chrisharmon7703
@chrisharmon7703 6 месяцев назад
What is your elapsed time between pours after the first 70g?
@setemic
@setemic 3 года назад
Fellow likes this video.
@darrylpearson3264
@darrylpearson3264 2 года назад
Thank you for expert explanation Note: Why everyone always wear a cap backward in video on TV &Video indoor?
@rpez021
@rpez021 10 месяцев назад
Lighting. Wearing a hat forwards means shadows would be cast on the face. Of course, one could wear no cap at all but then would need hairstyling before filming. 😉
@yousefabbasi1768
@yousefabbasi1768 3 года назад
A 6 on the Ode? I don’t know if I’ve ever used anything higher than 4, ever... interesting for sure.
@nelakasparova3428
@nelakasparova3428 2 года назад
I was also surprised about Baratza Encore - as I normally use 14/15 for pour overs, 18 for chemex. Here they recommend 20 - I am excited to try that out.
@Nayr090
@Nayr090 2 года назад
I tried it on a 6 on my Ode, and it drained VERY fast. What setting do you normally use?
@GangstaMuffin24
@GangstaMuffin24 2 года назад
@@Nayr090 Bellow a 2 on mine.
@Pax2017
@Pax2017 2 года назад
@@Nayr090 I usually go one or two notches below 3, depends on the coffee.
@rpez021
@rpez021 10 месяцев назад
Holy cow, I've been using between 7-8 on my Ode. I'm going to brew on 6 now.
@movehawk
@movehawk 3 года назад
Great recipe and video- your suggestion of 50ml at a time definitely allows a more even extraction with this brewer in particular creating a very sweet and rounded profile- I don’t think the height of the XF offers any advantages vs the X because you would follow a similar brew method and produce the same results. Therefore I’d recommend going for the smaller Stagg X if deciding between the 2.
@ryrymckelvey3
@ryrymckelvey3 Год назад
Would you be able to fit 36 grams in the smaller X version?
@rpez021
@rpez021 10 месяцев назад
@@ryrymckelvey3 I brewed 30g in my Stagg X this morning. About half-hour later I ordered the Stagg XF. You could push it if you really wanted and maybe brew 36g, but I decided just to bump up to the larger brewer instead.
@bryson9787867868686
@bryson9787867868686 3 года назад
Is the method with the [x] going to be the same, just with smaller amounts?
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 3 года назад
Hi Bryson - yes, we'd use the same approach with the [X], but would recommend scaling down the recipe accordingly. Try 6g of coffee to 100g of water as a starting point.
@snobrdr18
@snobrdr18 2 года назад
On your Ode settings listed here, that’s with the stock burr set and not swapped for like the SSP set?
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 2 года назад
Hi Brett - that's correct, we're using the standard set here.
@TheAndr0id
@TheAndr0id 3 года назад
Which electronic scale is that you are using?
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 3 года назад
Hi Andy - they're Acaia's Lunar scale.
@tinotesu
@tinotesu 2 года назад
Thanks for the video. Does that mean the v60 filter works for this?
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 2 года назад
Thanks for watching. V60 papers won't work due to the flat bed of the brewer, but as an alternative to the specific Stagg papers, you could try Kalita filters.
@holliedekraai4137
@holliedekraai4137 2 года назад
What setting do you use on the ode grinder for this dripper?
@Daumex
@Daumex 2 года назад
You can see in the video at 3:12 that Ode was set to 6.
@noone9966
@noone9966 3 года назад
Will the kalita wave 185 filters work with this brewer? Or in general does anyone know any alternative? Thanks in advance
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 3 года назад
We've not tried them, but would be intrigued to see how Kalitta's 155 papers fair, rather than their 185s.
@noone9966
@noone9966 3 года назад
@@workshopcoffee9001 I tried the 185. It is easy and possible to brew half the amount. Let's say for a single cup 15gr 250ml. Any idea if the bravilor might do the job? (16.6 x 15.8 x 14 cm; 140) thank you guys what you do with the emailing help and answering questions is amazing!
@bowieknife
@bowieknife 3 года назад
Would the XF work with smaller doses like 12-14grams in 1:15-1:16 ratios?
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 3 года назад
It certainly would - we'd recommend fining up the grind slightly if you are. Otherwise, the Stagg [X] Pourover is specifically designed for 1-cup brewing: workshopcoffee.com/collections/hardware/products/stagg-x-pourover
@bowieknife
@bowieknife 3 года назад
@@workshopcoffee9001 thanks!
@cycles.unplugged_inc
@cycles.unplugged_inc 3 года назад
What scale do you use? It’s small and very nice looking.
@sanderschat
@sanderschat 3 года назад
Acaia lunar
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 3 года назад
That's correct, Kurt - it's Acaia Lunar scale.
@robertoalfalla256
@robertoalfalla256 Год назад
Excellent Video! I recently purchased The ODE Gen 2 Grinder. Which grind setting do you think would match the number 6 position on your grinder? Im awaiting the XF set as we speak.
@rpez021
@rpez021 10 месяцев назад
It looks like they're using the Ode 2 in the video, but in their grinding list it does only say Fellow Ode, so it would be nice to get clarification on this. My Ode 2 has the SSP burrs as well, so I'm not sure if there is further delineation needed.
@i-am-me-
@i-am-me- 9 месяцев назад
I have ode 2 and being that this beeped tells me that it’s the first generation
@kyle.fredrickson
@kyle.fredrickson 7 месяцев назад
Ode 2 I’m using grind setting 4
@athenainfante6816
@athenainfante6816 2 года назад
any metallic taste in the coffee? :)
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 2 года назад
None, Athena. And discarding the filter paper immediately after use and keeping the brewer clean avoids any other flavour taint.
@robertthomas3686
@robertthomas3686 3 месяца назад
I am watching now. This one looks interesting but does not provide much coffee. I need ~3 cups in the am.
@85timng
@85timng 3 года назад
What glass carafe is that you're using?
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 3 года назад
That's Kinto's ONETOUCH Teapot, which we also use as a 2-cup decanter. It's currently out of stock on our website, but we're expecting more to arrive with us soon.
@85timng
@85timng 3 года назад
@@workshopcoffee9001 Thanks! Is that the 450ml or 620ml tea pot you are using? That is exactly the pot I am after for my stagg xf!
@robertmitchell162
@robertmitchell162 3 года назад
Temp of water??
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 3 года назад
Hi Robert - thanks for watching. We go straight off the the boil with our brew water.
@Daumex
@Daumex 2 года назад
A set of 45 filters for Stagg is 12 euros. A set of 100 V60 Hario 02 filters is 5 euros. This is a major reason i never wanted to purchase this brewer even though i love Fellow products. I really don't understand why are their filters so expensive.
@ritwikjs
@ritwikjs Год назад
Yeah, stagg have overestimated how much people will pay for their product.
@rpez021
@rpez021 10 месяцев назад
Hopefully there is an unbleached third-party brand to purchase.
@vnay4915
@vnay4915 7 месяцев назад
There’s a hack where you can fit v60 paper in stagg. RU-vid channel Aramse covers this in their review.
@sabirkuliev4228
@sabirkuliev4228 2 дня назад
I use kalita filters in my stag xf, works perfectly
@Dandeez
@Dandeez 3 года назад
Bruh. Grinding at a 6. What are you doing? I tried it and my brew has minimal flavor.
@workshopcoffee9001
@workshopcoffee9001 3 года назад
There’s a lot of discourse around the Ode needing to be set to very fine settings, and with this particular model I haven’t found the need to grind super fine. Saying that, we are continuing to test it out and are looking forward to sharing our findings in detail soon. Where have you been finding better results?
@Dandeez
@Dandeez 3 года назад
I started on a 3-4 because the grind is so course on the Ode. Recently, at the encouragement of CXFFEE Black, I’ve been using a 1. The flavors are highlighted IMO
@kaheldan
@kaheldan 3 года назад
Great videos, you should check out the Blue Bottle dripper!
@atigbagchi8381
@atigbagchi8381 7 месяцев назад
So impressed that someone said grams of water. Get so annoyed when people use a weighing scale and talk milliliters of water.
@TerryManitoba
@TerryManitoba 3 года назад
looks like a solution waiting for a problem - KISS - go for a KALITA
@rlkinser
@rlkinser Год назад
I'll save everyone some math -- every coffee to water ratio mentioned is 60g / 1 liter. (why not just say that??)
@Dr.Schlitz
@Dr.Schlitz 4 месяца назад
“Solvent”? Unless there’s an option other than water, there’s no good reason to say “solvent” rather than “water.” Coffee jargon is so stupidly pretentious.
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