@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 I don't follow. My point is that had they been grifters, they would've hated on Andor too. Yet it's being almost universally praised for its writing quality. It doesn't add up.
This is the main reason why i always enjoyed Star Wars alone with my family and my friends. Cause i as a normal, fair, honest and most very well balanced fan of Star Wars has always liked what i liked, enjoyed what i enjoyed and just ignore it any annoying fan or fanboy and tell them to either go away, piss off or else their will be some serious trouble and they won't even like it. Cause i just do not care of what they think of anymore and all that i want is to be in peace, harmony and serenity from all the stress.
People nitpick when they don't like the show. When they like it, the little things don't matter. For myself, I admit I'm biased. I just want to watch Disney and Lucasfilm burn. I want Star Wars packed away in a box and stacked in a warehouse by Top Men.
@@cptcabbageit’s just an opinion. There’s no one listening who has the power to pack Star Wars in a box and pack it away. Why does it bother you so much.? For that matter why does it bother me that it bothers you? Hahaha. It's just an opinion. It's not selfish. If having that opinion could affect reality then that would be selfish.
>I just want to watch Disney and Lucasfilm burn. I don't. I want them to thrive. I've heard from many people that Andor looks like a decently-written show. Maybe I will watch it at some point But that's an oddity, so they will burn. I don't believe that they have the capacity to course-correct.
One of the better videos when it come to this Franchise. I'm kinda of tired from the discourse around Star Wars. Trying to enjoy what I enjoy. And I think a lot of the fandom does not really get what George Lucas was even trying to do with his stories. Watch those behind the scenes Prequel stuff guys. Really helps.
What Star Wars fans? The Original Star Wars fans? The Prequels fans? The Game fans? The Expanded Universe fans? We aren't a homogeneous group, there are many factions between the Fandom.
The group I am talking about is the one where everyone is always negative, bashing everything that comes out, and bullies those that like it. It includes people from each of these groups probably.
@@cyxceven545 Funny, because back in the day, like twenty years ago they were the OT fans, they were brutal to everyone that didn't share they point of view, but they lost their crown around The Last Jedi, they were whining about their precious Luke Skywalker, when the rest of the Fanbase were more preoccupied with this more important like the world building and context, that was barren in the Sequel Trilogy, but now at days, the OT fans live in the fringes of the internet, no ones cares about them anymore, maybe Disney, they are their darlings, that is the reason why Star Wars is stuck in the OT, but the OT fans not want accountability, they are the cause of why Lucas sell Star Wars to Disney in first place, with their toxic behaviour to other fans, bullying and harassing to anyone else, the actors, Lucas itself, they even try to enter in his property, but now they pretend that they never behaved like that or were part of that, most are in the fringes of the internet, meanwhile others are in their own bubble of self importance, pretending that the Fandom still cares about the OT, even that some OT fans are already freaking out that the rest of the Fandom are leaving the OT behind, like Professor Geek, in his video Luke Who.
I genuinely enjoy the show. My only complaint is that they leaned too much into the "wise Jedi" trope with Ahsoka. Yes she is older than she was in the Clone wars/ Rebels era but she doesn't feel like the Ahsoka we know until Dave directed episode 5 and then we start to see a little crack in her armor and she feels a bit more like herself. Perhaps that was by design with the events that transpired in episode 5, but I think that might be why some people don't like it, which I get, but I think it offers so much more than that. I like the characters and the new lore they are presenting, and all the little details that give characters a bit more meaning that a lot of people might not get. It's a cool little addition.
They could have leaned more into her doubts, insecurities and fears and it would have made that moment more impactful. They could have shown more about how shaken she was by Anakin's fall and fear of the dark side and it would have made episode 5 a bit more impactful
I used to be EXACTLY like those toxic people, and I can confirm they get all their opinions from people who have made hate videos. I only watched 2 of the movies in the sequel trilogy and enjoyed both. Still, after watching 1 too many hate videos I started bashing them and even went off the deep end with hate on Kathleen Kenedy filling Star Wars "woke mind virus" and all that nonsense. I've grown a lot since then, coming to terms with my identity and not really paying those people any mind. It's just a huge shame that they wasting all that energy on hating things.
A lot of these people you’ll find all over the Internet who are in it just to see how far they can upset somebody. They like pushing buttons on peoples emotions! That’s the fun they have, that’s how they get their jollies! They may have grown up physically, but apparently they haven’t grown up emotionally!
My only complaint about the current trend with all the spin-off shows, is that it all leads to and ties in all the events that lead into the sequel trilogy. And I could honestly careless about the sequel trilogy in anyway. I can’t ever rewatch it again. It’s so cringe and badly written I physically cannot sit through another viewing. And so it’s disappointing to know that all this amazing Star Wars we’re currently getting is all leading to the worst parts of Star Wars in its history. I hope they change the outcome. Sequel trilogy never happened….
Yeah after seeing everything they are trying to build in the "Mandoverse" I can't help but wonder how things would be if they didn't rush into making that trilogy.
Everything in this video is very well put. I think that, at the end of the day, this really comes down to the live and let live philosophy. It is impossible for everyone to like and feel the same about everything, but, to me, it's common decency and frankly a matter of respect that if you don't particularly like something the way someone else does and you feel strongly about it, just let them be. No one should be forcing their opinions down the throats of others; it shouldn't bother anyone so much that another person likes something they don't. A debate is fine, that's healthy. But, there's no point at all in the extremism and trying to bring others down or belittling or bullying them for having a differing opinion. It doesn't even validate your own, it just makes you seem less secure about your own standpoint. Unfortunately, this is a common toxic theme with any hardcore fandom. Painfully annoying. If you dislike something slightly, sure, have a debate, have at it so long as you're respectful. If you dislike something so much that you feel an incessant need to belittle, bully, or make fun of people for liking this simply because you don't, then just... move on to something else. I'll never understand the want to waste time and energy on something you hold such a heavy dislike for.
Good video. The main problem with the fandom is the same as other hardcore fandoms … “if it isn’t what I think it should be, it is bad. If you like it, you are wrong”. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but that is all it will ever be … hardcore fans, generalist fans, barely fans, only fans (🙃)… all just opinions in the end with no more weight given to one over the other. Not nowadays. I didn’t watch the animated stuff because … I just didn’t. Sorry if that makes me a bad fan, I guess. However, it’s kind of a moot point considering I love Ahsoka, and I don’t care what other fans say. I think the show has a lot of charm that had been missing … and it’s well made. It has good pacing. It has good characters. The story is nuanced but still exciting. It is objectively a good show … which I think should honestly be enough at this point. Toxic fandoms are worse than the entertainment they complain about. I will never understand what old fans want. Would you rather them leave Star Wars be and never make anything else or do you just want things made exactly how you think it should be? One of those is at least realistic. I’d rather them throw some spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks with the most people instead of just never getting anything else from the universe we all love. I’m easy to please though and I would rather enjoy things for what they are instead of constantly living with the angst that things aren’t as I think they should be. Shrug.
Thank you for at least understanding the points I am trying to make. Everyone is going to enjoy and consume these shows and movies differently. It’s better when people have your mindset….just be easy going and check out the things that interest you. It’s fun to talk about these shows and debate the good and bad stuff, but people take it way too far. I understand why people are upset with Disney because their track record with Star Wars has not been great. But what’s the point of sticking around the franchise if you are just going to hate and argue with people all the time. It’s the whole reason why I made this video and you get it. Take care.
Meet the ceo of autism, how do expectations form contempt at a greater level than the butchering of og characters and low quality of an anticipated product from a large film studio, how does being constantly reminded as a fan that everyone is toxic is for not being on the sides of those who shill for studios, how the fuck does shrimp fry rice and why did wood fire pizza?
I stopped reading after you said hxc fans have the attitude "if it's not how I think it should be, it's bad". As a hxc fan, I can assure you that's not the case. I just ask they (disney, filoni, etc.)don't character assassinate or absolutely destroy canon, and to understand the universe they've been blessed to shepard. It's really not much to ask, except it may be, because they've failed at every level. I'm not filled with rage or fueled by attacking those who enjoy this new "Star Wars"; rather deep, deep sadness much as I feel with the way Dragon Ball Super has ruined Z.
@@MrAweeze I read your entire response before offering an answer because I’m an adult who realizes the point of the video was to create a discussion and not … whatever you are trying to accomplish. I’m sorry you don’t enjoy the things that are being created. I have my problems with some of it too. However, I’m happy they are still trying and I’m glad I found a way to enjoy it. That being said, if you are filled will such deep sadness over pieces of entertainment, I think you should probably stop spending time discussing it. Seems like very destructive behavior and counter productive to leading a happy life. Thanks for your input. Take care! :)
I judge each show on its own merits! I will be the first to admit that the last trilogy made me extremely angry . To the point, I could not enjoy anything Disney Wars put out. But I love Star Wars, and all it was hurting was me. I saw “New hope” in theatre. So I had to re-think my expectations . Now I just pretend 7,8 and 9 were just Jabba’s nightmare erase Ryan Johnson’s smug ass look out of my head and just enjoy the shows. It worked for me.
It's easier to be angry, that's the way of things, and the way most take. Not to say Disney don't make it easy to do, but nearly everyone always assumes that if someone disagrees with you that they are immediately a threat and both parties are immediately hostile. As hard as it can seem form people who liked the sequel trilogy, it's better to assume that someone isn't going to attack you or is brainless, though with he world we're in it's hard to not be defensive as most people just attack out of defense, and it just makes a mess
I enjoyed the show myself. Nothing really stood out to me as egregious in the story, tho I do question the shift towards the Nightsisters and the "magic" of the force slowly creeping in, as it feels off. Or maybe it's just the fact that I grew up with the first movies making the force feel weaker, more enigmatic, and less like 'magic' to me. That said, I also went back to watch all of the Clone Wars, which solidified how cool Ahsoka could be (seriously, that fight with Maul in the last season? *chef's kiss*). On a whim, I watched Rebels end to end... And it weirdly gave me an appreciation when Ahsoka (the show, not the character) came out a few months later. I think really my biggest complaint with Ahsoka was that Hera in live action looked 'off' to me in a way I couldn't properly define. Unlike Sabine and Ezra, in live action she felt weirdly cartoony (visually, the acting was solid). That said, for only 8 episodes, the series told a surprisingly compelling story that makes me wonder if it's going to split into 2 stories going forward (One with Thrawn, and one on the planet). It really is a shame Ray Stevenson passed away, as he was killer as Baylon Skoll. Absolutely knocked it out of the park. The fact we'll never get to see another Skoll/Ahsoka battle really pains me. At least Shin Hati is still around, and can hopefully pick up the mantle, because I think Filoni really had a lot weighing on Ray's performance in continuing the series. Best laid plans of mice and men, as the saying goes.
This is like a doctor complaining that only sick people come to see her. Or a casino owner complaining that all their visitors are obsessed with gambling. Stars Wars was a valuable property, worthy of paying $4 billion for, because it had an audience that was irrationally committed to it. It had an audience of people would buy the toy, read the book, by the comic book because they were so committed to the idea. The absurd nonsense is to be surprised that a group of people whose primary distinguishing characteristic is irrational commitment to the “ universe” should be bothered when the producer of their content shows zero commitment to the” universe”. The casuals don’t care, but they’re not the ones who stand in line to see the next movie or spend their last dollar buying books and merch.
I have the same feelings as you. I understand why people didn’t like the last Jedi but I think the bigger issue was how poorly the 3 movies flowed together. I too enjoyed Ahsoka. BoBF was subpar. Acolyte wasn’t the best either but it wasn’t as bad as everyone made it out to be… better than something like She Hulk in my opinion.
It’s rare to find fans like you and I that can try to enjoy some things in the franchise. We may not like everything, but there is some stuff we enjoy. At least we try to give it a chance. I just wish they were more consistent with making good content.
I watched 'the closer look's' video on how to fix star wars recently, and something I definitly agree with is that starwars is at its best during big galactic shifting events that changes everything for everyone. I have no problem with smaller character based stories here and there, it does seem to be all we're getting currently though. I'm really really enjoying ahsoka so far and I would love if all this hype of a potential war actually meant something and we got thrown into another galaxy shifting war that was explored over the next few years
It's just when you have a history with a company that shits, spits, & pukes all over(with a high consistency) everything that you loved, worshiped, & adored, when you were younger, it leaves a real shitty taste in ur mouth for a loooooong time, so please excuse real fans if they absolutely hate the thing that hates them...which is "the house of mouse"
I totally understand. They have messed up a lot. I'll never get over how they botched the sequels. However, I am still trying to go into an open mind with some of the new stuff and it's not all bad. But yeah Disney has a poor resume when you review their entire history with Star Wars.
Honestly I I love the connections to clone wars and Rebels, I really enjoy Kenobi, Mandalorian, book of boba, Andor, Bad batch and Ahsoka are their bits that feel strange yeah book of boba could have focused more on a bounty hunter Boba, Kenobi should have had the clone troopers Nix as a central character, the destruction of Sundari should have happened as a shocking status quo shift at the end of the first season of Mandlorian for all the negatives I honestly think the positives outweigh them.
That's the problem with some the fanbase nowadays. For some it all about the hate. That IS the attraction for them. Some people get their kicks by being a contrarian on the thing that's popular at a certain point in time.
Some people just love to hate on this franchise 24/7 and it’s sad to see. Yes, Disney is failing big time with this franchise, but picking on it constantly doesn’t help. A lot of content creators thrive on negativity and again, it’s just so sad to see.
Unfortunately the overall Star Wars fandom is probably one of the worst I’ve ever seen. A majority have absolutely no idea what they actually want and just don’t seem like they’re fun people to talk to. The misplaced anger is what really gets me, where (in my eyes) the blame is always directed to the most confusing places rather than core issues that could be legitimate criticisms. There feels like a lot of hate vs love, nitpicks vs justifications, with no real objective thought-process from either side. I have been embarrassed enough over time by the people’s over-emotional reactions that I just basically say I’m not a Star Wars fan anymore, so this video was pretty cathartic for me. 🤣
@@Fridaey13txhOktober See? You’re a perfect example and you’ve exactly proven my point. I never directed my criticism to one side or the other; I said both sides are ridiculous for thinking it’s either solely trash or an absolute masterpiece. There’s no nuance. You just proved that you didn’t read my comment, but got over-emotional. You immediately assumed I was singling you out specifically, and that’s because you’re so insecure about your own opinion that you immediately got defensive, even when I didn’t call out anyone specifically. Why does Star Wars do this to people? 🤣
I felt like the first four episodes of Ahsoka were a bunch of set-up that probably could have been compressed into two, but from 5 and forward it's really found its feet
I’m a O.G. And I enjoy Star Wars of course some of it isn’t my favorite like the Sequels but I still enjoy watching it all brings me back to being a kid in the 80’s
I get the point, however I think a lot of the real criticism the show has is pretty valid, for example, I've watched it all, clone wars and rebels, the 7 episodes of ahsoka, and I honestly hated how Ezra and Sabine's reunion was done, it was SOOO unemotional, if expecting to see at least tears of joy and emotional music is "high expectations" and not liking the way it was done is being a "hater", then we truly are doomed as fans of the franchise
So many people think I am labeling them a "hater" for not liking the show. I actually understand your criticism of Ezra and Sabine. You make a fair point. A lot of people don't take issue with the plot. They focus on the "looks" of a characters, a song choice in the soundtrack, and accuse the show of promoting an agenda. That crap I don't agree with. But I'll at least give some understanding to a reasonable critique like you provided. I can also counter your "hater" label comment by saying it goes both ways. I've been called a liberal woke wussy for liking the show. So there are idiots on both sides of this topic.
Unfortunately quantity is a poor substitute for quality. Andor was amazing, the Mandalorian was great, and Ahsoka may turn out to be very good but there have been other series that have been "Meh" to outright bad and following the sequels, Star Wars really needed to be great for a few series in a row without the "Meh" and the bad spoiling it.
Seening Hayden back as Anakin was soooooo dope in EP 5, Baylon is a nice addition, but the show as a whole has not been great.It's still better than the sequel trilogy, and that's all you can really ask for right now.
Toxic Star Wars fan: How many problems can we possibly cause? Me: *Gatekeeping and bullying people for enjoying new Star Wars content* Hmm? Toxic Star Wars fan: Oh, that’s not so bad. Me: *Sending death threats to Rian Johnson for The Last Jedi* Hmm? Toxic Star Wars fan: So? Me: *Bullying Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Kelly Marie Tran, and Moses Ingram on social media* Hmm? *Demonizing George Lucas for the prequels* Hmm?!?! *Ahmed Best having a suicide attempt* HMMMMM?!?!?!?! *A sick maniac with the screen name “Avenge Star Wars” on Twitter saying that he wanted a mass shooting to happen at a Star Wars celebration* Toxic Star Wars fan: I had no idea. WHAT KIND OF FANDOM ARE WE?!?!?!?!?!
The writing, pace, acting and editing in this show are just objectively bad. As a professional film editor I find it mindboggling HOW bad it is from a filmmaking standpoint and as a former longtime Star Wars Fan I am appalled by the lack of imagination and lore butchering. People who like this really have very low standards in their entertaining and storytelling.
If you have to search for things to enjoy the show is crap, bc if its good there is no need to search for the good , it is just apparent, the storytelling in the Disney writers room is nothing but rank incompetence
the whole of ashoka is just meh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we deserve better
Hardcore Star Wars fans are under the impression that it’s only for them and that only they know what’s wrong or can have an opinion, people also read to much into little things, people like to pretend they could make a better show
I remember when we use to have fun sharing our thoughts and opinions on the franchise. We used to have fun debates and now we can't because people are just too toxic on the internet nowadays.
@@Analyze_This54 facts, they exhibit all the signs of a narcissist. In this case they are essentially gatekeeping narcissists. Joe Rogan said it best about them. Their lives probably suck and that's really all they have is to bring others down. Because that's what losers do.
Yes the discourse is stupid. At this point is like those people who go on reddit to still complain about McDonald's discontinuing their Szechuan Sauce. Or worse, sometimes, it feels like a bunch of Vegans going to just some local burger joint and pouring blood on diners because eating meat is immoral, or something. The best policy is to not respond or engage with that sort.
The hardcore elements in the fanbase turned me off to Star Wars. What they did to Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best, and Kelly Marie Tran was truly disgusting. Nothing satisfies them. They act like it's real, and they have no problem hurting people who somehow ruined their "childhood". I wish they'd grow the hell up.
Likely, that's barely 0.5% of the whole fanbase. It's still thousands of people because it's one of the biggest franchises in the world, but still small in terms of percentage.
Unfortunately, they’re never gonna grow up. Because they don’t want to. Not only did they bully those actors, but they also still to this day bully people enjoy the new Star Wars content they don’t like.
I completely agree I watched the book of boba fett and kenobi not perfect but they are things inked about them. They tell us not to watch but that’s up to the viewer.
Yeah, the Star Wars Fandom is toxic! And the Batman franchise, too! We are seeing the consequences of the "everybody gets trophy" crowd! Sci-fi/ fantasy is supposed to be kind of cheesy, or it wouldn't be fun!
Yeah, but apparently since he didn't do what those toxic fans wanted with Season 3 of Mandalorian he's not to be trusted now. I'm not kidding, that's their argument.
And I think she did an excellent job as Asoka… And like I said the show was good. It was just minor things. I didn’t like about it, but for the most part that show was good … But don’t get me started on the Acolite
I still stand by my thoughts that Ahsoka is a good show, but I totally understand where you are coming from. I honestly feel the same way for the most part. Disney continues to mess up this franchise and it drives me nuts that we have one good show and then we get 2 other shows that are controversial. It’s a pattern that keeps happening and it’s getting worse. I was completely disappointed with the Acolyte.
I've enjoyed everything in the franchise. I see the negatives but I honestly see more positives. Plus I love Star Wars and to me more Star Wars will always be a good thing.
Star Wars Fandom is one of, if not, the worst fandom i’ve ever joined in my entire life, i couldn’t even enjoy any star wars content especially if it’s Star Wars Episode 7-9, plus the fans who are hating the sequel trilogy are so annoying asf that they literally act like acknowledging something from the sequel trilogy is a sin, i understand the hate of sequel trilogy but, these fans acting like these are bunch of crybabies, don’t get me started to the fans who bullied the actors and some shit they did in the past
I, like you, have my issues with the way Disney had handled Star Wars lately. Lots of missteps, horrible plotlines, and movies that were just insulting to the fans (last three trilogies). However, my criticisms don't come to the point of religious zealotry and narcissism. I also like the Ashoka Tano series. Mainly because the show, like you said, is more "Star Wars" than most series that preceded it. But also, this one gives us NONDOGMATIC force users who are neither Jedi nor Sith specifically. In my opinion, such an approach presents a more exciting and "human" element to those characters because they have goals or means to ends. Not just an altruistic sense of justice like the Jedi or blind lust for power like the Sith. I do believe we got our first glimpse of this with Count Dooku in the prequels. He too, although working directly with the Sith, did not fully become one. I believe it was due to his disillusionment with the Jedi order and seeking to right their wrongs. Also, his eyes never turned Sith yellow so I would assume that meant he had a "means to an end" and not just filled with a lust for power like I stated earlier. I also wish the fanbase would just calm down and, while having their opinions and critiques, look at the shows and movies as interpretive artwork and not strict story lines than cannot be deviated from.
Yeah, and Thrawn was created by Timothy Zahn... so how does that help make the show good? Maybe I can say Hera was created by Dave and the show magically becomes good.
I wanted to like Disney Star wars. And I did enjoy the force awakens. Was disappointed with the last Jedi and didn't even bother with rise of Skywalker cause Palpatine returned.
As someone who has felt the way you're expressing since Episode 7 came out and suddenly was finding myself surrounded by hordes of "THe PrEQueLS weRE GoOD, actUALLy" after being one of few prequel defenders that I knew for years, I really appreciate hearing you say "the fun is having normal and respectful discussions, regardless of whether we agree or not". For most of my life, the fun of Star Wars has been the sandbox that it presents, "imagine if this happened" or "what if they did this"; imagining you are the director and writer and saying "this is what I would have done" and other self-inserting was a lot of the fun, and it seems like this has evolved to an absolutely wretched entitlement (and I'll fuckin say it, I don't give a fuck anymore) where these total losers will wield their nostalgia as a toxic blade ready to hurt anyone and everyone, regardless of the consequences. (Not for you, but for the toxic assholes that might read my comment and feel the need to say something to me: The fundamental reality at play here is that Star Wars is not now nor has it ever been ours. It exists because other people make it, not because of the fans and the people that make it don't owe us anything no matter how you rationalise it. Take every single "StAR wars woULDN't EXiST IF IT WAsn't FOr THE FAns" take you have and for real, shove it. We don't own it. Lucasfilm owned it at first, and now Disney owns it. If you don't like that basic fundamental truth, go join your local Communist Party and lets get to work on abolishing copyright. In the meantime, pound sand.) I'll be honest and say that I pretty much love every piece of Star Wars media I've ever watched, read, or played, regardless of the quality ("hey Tom, want to watch the Holiday Special?" "yes idgaf it's Star Wars"). I used to be open to being critical, but since all this has started happening my public opinion is that "Star Wars is great and did you see that it was a fuckin lightsaber that shit is sick". I hadn't seen Rebels yet and all the hype around Ahsoka and the fact that Hayden is back for it has me now in the middle of season 2 and I'm loving it. The world of Star Wars is just such a fun place to be, it shouldn't matter that Rebels is a little bit for 8 year olds and I'm nearly 35, I'm loving the vibes. Plus seeing Freddie Prinze Jr's voice coming from a guy that looks like he plays bass in a nu-metal band. So much fun. I'm really excited to get into Ahsoka once I'm done (or sooner if I can't resist it anymore) and discuss with my normal friends all the things that are cool about it and all the stuff we would do differently.
I truly despise the term "content". I'm interested in immersing myself in fantasy. But no matter how good any specific story is, it's all for naught if the setting's foundations are broken. I can enjoy a flashy fight scene in a vacuum, but I won't watch an entire show if I know it's going to lead to something fundamentally nihilistic at its core. You're free to watch what you wish, but I'd rather go my own way and create my own media, than to cede the story to some uncaring corporate entity.
SW fans can be the worst fans out there bar none, they will insult, berate, belittle and do worse for not agreeing with them, for not living in their head canon. Lucas never set a standard canon, he set tiers that he changed his mind over them over 20 years just like he did when it came to how many films would be in the now called Skywalker Saga. Not only did he change his mind when it came to the amount of films but also to what the prequel and sequel trilogies were going to be, the man is a walking contradiction that pissed off the fans so much that WE were the ones that wanted him to step away from SW and let someone else take the reins. He sells to Disney and now "fans" hate everything Disney does with SW and want Lucas back or someone else to take over. A new trilogy comes out and they flock to the theatre then complain why was Han killed (Ford hated his role) but say nothing that it was a rehash of the original and that it was obvious it was going nowhere good. When it comes to the shows they act as if they are forced to watch them and pretend to be offended of what they are watching. That's enough of a rant, just found your channel today and subbed, really enjoyed it keep it up man. Wishing you all the success in the world
I haven’t watched Asoka yet because I knew it would be focused on Rebels story stuff, which I have never been very interested in, but I have nothing against that. It’s just like the Clones Wars stuff in Mandolorian, I love the Clone Wars series but some of my friends did complain about it because they had never watched the Clone Wars show. I also don’t fully agree with Disney bringing back old characters and creating new stories with them; while I like that from time to time sometimes I feel like we are treading familiar ground that isn’t really added much to the story. I would really enjoy to watch stories about characters we have never seen before in times that have had little discussion (Like Mando Season 1).
oh and this is funny. While I did know about the Clone Wars I never saw an episode yet I knew exactly where Ashoka was with 3 seconds of watching the first episode in the series. NO surprises, no this is dumb, no this can't be happening just yep fun and action.
The reason "Why" is simple, people have been disappointment too much. They expect to be disappointed. They go into a new show with the expectation and when you expect it, you usually find it. I can only count myself fortunate that i am capable of not being disappointed though it came close when it started with another McGuffin chase to find the magical map to show the way to someone who was lost. Fortunately it worked this time because in hindsight, after seeing several episodes, it actually made sense but some people probably didn't stay around for that. Anyways, the biggest problem with Star Wars is the baggage of failure that it has which condemns some really good shows such as "Andor" which i felt was amazing.
Well if it’s anything, I’m with you there. I grew up as a Star Wars fan despite only seeing the original six, I do personally enjoy the sequels too because I was hyped for each one and to me each delivered with some exciting new ideas. I love Rogue One, Solo took me a while but I eventually found enjoyment with that too! And yeah I don’t think Disney Star Wars is perfect, The Book of Boba Fett was hit and miss, and Obi-Wan Kenobi was pretty frustrating (that said it does have one of the best Lego sets in my collection so I’m happy in that sense) My biggest issue though more than ever, has been the fans. Things weren’t too bad from 2011-2017, some minor frustrations but the people I hung out with and my perspective of the general audience was that everyone no matter the differences in opinions, at least still acted civil… Then The Last Jedi came out and started a riff which Solo and The Rise of Skywalker made worse, The Mandalorian seemed to make things better but The Book of Boba Fett, Obi-Wan Kenobi and even Season 3 of The Mandalorian just took that small light of uniting the fans, and returning it back to the warzone that VIII and IX made. I will admit I was on the side of defending the Disney stuff for a time because I was more frustrated that the people hating on the Disney stuff were also saying how perfect the Prequels, Clone Wars and Legends material were which of course made me sick, if there’s one thing I will always hate no matter what, it’s a hypocrite. Then The Acolyte came out, I will say I have enjoyed it so far, but the reason I talk about this separately is because that is the show where the warzone of fans has become more intense, you either hate it with a passion or you think it’s the best thing ever. if you’re in between like I am, then your opinion sucks and will be made fun of. I personally thought that it was nice that there were people ready to fight the hypocrisy, but then they turned sour too by posting death threats to people like Star Wars theory. That was when it dawned on me that there really is no winning on either extreme, you’re either a hypocrite or a sell out. So basically put, I just want to enjoy what I want to enjoy, I want to try and stay as neutral as possible from this online fan war, but it was really cool to see your video and although I can see us disagreeing on a lot of things, the fact that you’re coming into an argument with a more mature manner and an attitude that will encourage more civil conversations, let’s me know that maybe there is some hope out there in a Galaxy Far Far Away
That's fair! I am the same way. I'm not happy with a lot of Disney Star Wars, but there are some things I like. I can even find some things I like in the shows and movies that I dislike. I totally understand why the fandom is a mess. But some people are just flat out ridiculous and that is why I made this video after the Ahsoka show. Because I thought that was one of the better shows.
I don't understand 'why did people raise their standards too high?' We just don't want to see unrealistic, not-believable, illogical stupid scenes and decisions. I LOVE Ahsoka series, one of my favourites, but it sure had quite a few of those. And criticism is valid. Is it really that frustrating to ask writers to write things better, use script doctors and use common sense and logic?
It's Star Wars. It's a fantasy series that has no logic in reality. It doesn't obey the laws of physics or space and time. If you're okay with the prequels then you have nothing to complain about when it comes to writing.
I get what you’re saying. Personally, I don’t think Ahsoka had many issues. They wrote themselves into a corner a few times at the end, but overall I think it was a good show. Disney needs to get writers that care and actually know about the brand. There’s too many people working on this franchise that have no clue about the lore and care more about turning Star Wars into something they want it to be. The foundation of the franchise should be considered sacred, but sadly it isn’t.
@@Analyze_This54 Tony Gilroy, who created Andor and Rogue One, has openly admitted he's not a Star Wars fan. Yet Andor and Rogue One are considered some of Disney's best work. Star Wars has always had people coming in and interpreting the material in different ways. Some of it works, and some of it doesn't. This has been the case throughout the entire history of Star Wars. There seems to be this unrealistic expectation by parts of the fandom that everything must be written to cater to their whims and that every story has to be something worthy of an Emmy or Oscar. If they don't like something, that's fine, but if that discourse descends into vitriol and hate, then they've made it more than just disliking something. There is so much content out there to choose from. If you don't like the Disney stuff, then there's Legends or the video games or theme parks, etc. There's stuff for every age group in this franchise.
Since 2015 Star Wars has used Nostalgia from original Trilogy, while providing nothing new. The Force Awakens retcons The Original Trilogy, Fall of Skywalker was horrible, Rogue one was nostalgia fuel bait, The Mandlorian's biggest selling point was Yoda as a baby, Kenobi was a pointless show that relyed on nostalgia while having Vader and Obi-wan in a slap boxing match, Book of Boba did nothing to expand the story, Andor is a useless character who's gonna die. His story is already set. now Ahoska has taken the Heir to the Empire and replaced Luke with Ahoska. To even watch Ahoska you gotta do a ton of homework. Rebels is boring. I gotta watch a boring ass show to get into a new show? We're still in the era of the Empire, we're still talking about Vader, Luke isn't the master jedi fans wanted to see we're still gonna get to the Force Awakens. When do we get something new? Where do we get a new adventure? New enemies? New Star Wars? We're stuck in between Ep 3-4, Ep6-7. I never thought I'd see the day that Star Wars is boring. It doesn't matter who is in charge, what matter is who can write a new story that honors the original. Nostalgia has been run into the ground. Where is the fun? Where is the excitement? Where's the sense of adventure? The feeling of exploring something new?
I don't have a problem with the nostalgia because it makes sense for a franchise like this where ultimately everything is connected. However, it is disappointing that they won't venture out into brand new territory. I'm not sure why it is taking so long to get new stuff.
trekkie(fan of star trek) here. From you are saying it is similar to star trek but it is not to the extent that you are saying. I am guessing it is because of the 25% rule(star trek TNG cannot be related to TOS or continuing from TOS)or that star trek is episodic(no serialized stories for entire seasons but rather a self contained story per episode/a new adventure for the day/planet of the week)(occasional 2 part episodes) like you can dislike an episode and you can just wait for a good one and you are not missing anything. And geez i had no idea that alot of star wars fans are like that from what you are saying. but at least your having fun being a fan and making content on something you love :) keep it up dude.
The ahsoka is quite good, just remember the last trilogy! Dont be judgmental about the new series , comare always to the lat trilogy, they just need to delete it completely, all the story is so …
I am interested, what do you think now ... one year later ... How many times rewatched Ahsoka .... for me one of the best features of a good SW product is rewatchability ...
@@Aether52 The sequels cannot, bcs they are fundamentally wrong, the prequels just had a few things that needed to be toucheded upon, but the core themes and story was and is, solid, it makes sense(unlike the sequels)
It’s not about being picky, bro. I’m the same way. I try not to be biased at all when I watch shows or movies, etc. but what Star Wars has pushed out is trash. if you take the Asoka show I like that show for the most part, but I wasn’t too hyped about or was upset about was the fact of what they did with the force… Now everybody can have the force, it’s making it less important if everybody can do it… It’s certain things that these writers are coming up with that are going against what Star Wars was about… You take good and bad they’re taking that away. You take the force they’re changing it…that with bad writing is why people are complaining.
THANK YOU mah lord THANK YOU - 38 year old geezer over here, loved SW since mid 90s, the ups and downs and all arounds. Looking at my action figure set up on the shelf right now lol Re: expectations Also...it is SPACE WIZARDS WITH LASER SWORDS! ANd I love it. I am 100000000000000000000000000% with you on everything you said here.
I agree what you said. I love to talking about analyzing certain scenes of star wars cuz it’s what makes me feel enjoyed. As you said in the vid the fandom did in fact took away my enjoyment and I had hard time trying to enjoy Ahsoka but I couldn’t due to the circumstances of the fans. I wanted to feel these moments like felt in the sequel trilogy the cinematic excitement (rots was my first Star Wars movie, owned on dvd) but these days it’s hard to feel the same. I know it’s sad and depressing to be on this road, everyday week and month fans find a way to complain whine and hate things and it’s becoming more tiring and it affects me badly cuz I wasn’t enjoying Ahsoka the could’ve experienced because of them, but I’m glad there are a few people like you that fully acknowledge these current status of SW.
Kennedy runs the business. Filoni runs the creative side of it. If he became CEO he would have too many other responsibilities like trying to please shareholders.
@@Vladislav888 I thought he was fine. He is a smart tactician who finessed everyone at the end so he could escape the planet. He might not have been as exciting as some hoped, but the whole point of the story was for him to escape. I thought it was wild to hear some people complain about him looking fat. Like the appearance is really what some are gonna complain about? What were your thoughts on Thrawn and the show?
@@Analyze_This54 >What were your thoughts on Thrawn and the show? I've yet to watch Asoka. I've only seen Thrawn and I thought he is repulsive. He is supposed to be a man of impeccable discipline, this is his core value. It's not compatible with him being fat, which is one of primary indicators that one lacks discipline. I will write back after watching the show.
Dude i dont agree with some of your lack of likes - but why do we have to hate it? Everything deserves a chance. Even movie episode 7 and 8. But i wont rewatch those anytime soon lol
Generally speaking, the shows are good. Kenobi could've done better with Reva and imo would've been better as a movie. Leia was a bit inconsistent but other than those, I liked it. Book of Boba I wasn't a fan of the punk kids purely due to the setting they were in. Put them on Nar Shadda and I'd have no complaints, and Mando jacking the whole damn show at the end was my complaints. They're not the greatest thing out there and that's fine. They're still pretty enjoyable.
Some people suck ALL of the time, ALL people suck SOME of the time. This saying fits here the same as it does in ANY situation. There are things that can be loved about this entire franchise, and there are things that aren't so great. But that is different for each person that looks at it. That's the point of art. It speaks differently to different people. Just like life has different perspectives for different people. This content creator is exactly right in that people don't have to be ugly to each other. Ever. It just doesn't have to happen. Personally, I love how with every new episode of any content related to the Star Wars universe, whether it is live action or animated, we see a little more detail of this vast universe. Taken as a whole, even the bad ones add depth to what we know about this galaxy far far away. And even the stupid stuff is way cooler than the one planet we all exist on, with the same species and the same conflicts and wars that we keep repeating generation after generation.
I haven't seen all of Star Wars Rebels and what I have seen of it (aside from the stuff with Vader and Maul), I didn't care for. Hence why I haven't watched Ahsoka and don't plan to anytime soon because I'm not interested in live-action Star Wars Rebels season 5. I've seen the Anakin stuff, which was pretty good. I loved the Kenobi show. Yes it had flaws, but overall, I think they got more right than wrong. I've never been a huge fan of The Mandalorian. The first two seasons were good, but I think they're overrated and I agree that Book of Boba Fett and Mandalorian season 3 weren't that great. Haven't watched Andor because I have no interest in it. I liked The Bad Batch though. Even in regards to the films, my opinions of them aren't exactly popular ones. I like the prequels (mainly Revenge of the Sith, which is hands down my favorite Star Wars film. I agree with some of the criticisms of The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, the latter being my least favorite of the original six, but they still had plenty of things about them that I enjoyed.), I like the original trilogy but I don't think they're the Holy Grail of cinema like many say. I didn't love or hate the sequel trilogy. I thought Rogue One was boring outside of Vader and Tarkin's scenes. And I really liked the Solo movie, it's definitely the best Star Wars movie made since Disney bought the franchise IMO. Honestly, I get sick of hearing fans bitch about every new piece of Star Wars content even if they have a good reason to, and you can't avoid it because it's everywhere, even if it has nothing to do with Star Wars. Maybe it's a vocal minority, or maybe it's a vocal majority. Either way, it's incredibly frustrating. I'm to the point where I just keep my love of Star Wars to myself because no matter what opinions you have, someone will attack you for it.
The fanbase is super complex because everyone's combination of likes and dislikes. You and I alone have different combinations and I think that's cool. Everyone interprets the story differently and has different preferences. And it used to be fun to chat with people and debate different point of views. But sadly we can't do that anymore. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'm glad you are enjoying the things you do like from the franchise.
First video of yours that I've seen but couldn't agree more. While yes there has been problems with Disney SW it's also had its fair share of great moments. For example my favorite SW movie is Rogue One a Disney era project. Fans hold on the the EU as if it was this untouchable golden age. But the truth is that it was just as messy with ups and downs! I feel like many fans see an idealized version of SW that never existed. SW is ever evolving and people just can't seem to accept change. There have been lots of great projects in the past few years. To your point i very much agree David needs to be given the reigns and they need less cooks in the kitchen. The biggest issue is they had to many creatives involved trying to guide it not one steady hand. People need to think a little more ciritcally and let these projects cook 2 eps in and already "STAR WARS IS RUINED ILL NEVER TRUST DISNEY AGAIN!!" , like calm down how about judge a project in full and if you still don't like it thats fine. But don't speak for all fans many of us still have a love for SW. I just want more stories in the universe I love without being harassed for liking the stories we're getting. I hope one day the fandom will find a balance and we can all just keep enjoyong this world we are all so passionate about.
Yeah people act like there is nothing good from Disney Star Wars. There is and I can even find things I enjoy in the shows I have problems with. Some people just can't get out of the negative mindset.
@@Analyze_This54 Completely agree. I feel like many fans today would rather jump on the hate bandwagon rather than critique media critically. I keep seeing so many claim "STAR WARS IS DEAD" on something like ep 1 review a project. It is completely valid to have criticism for media but like it is 1 episode in and wild claims like "the skywalker legacy has been completely destroyed. Personally I am actually real excited for the current state of star wars and exploring stories that could be told in this new galaxy. I'm glad to find a channel with a more positive overall outlook with room for healthy debate and constructive critism
LOL. Star Wars should be well beyond "Emmy Worthy". We're talking about one of the most beloved Film Franchises of all time. Had the original trilogy been released as episodes on TV it would have been the greatest achievement in Television history and probably won a record number of Emmy's. Are mediocre television shows dressed up with big CGI budgets the new bar for Star Wars success?
@@BlueHooloovoo If you consider what I said in my statement part of any "problem", without being able to give reason....You are the ideal corporate citizen. Spend time defending billion dollar corporations against valid opinions without even being able explain why.
I'll be honest, the show doesn't look that good to me, I've kind of given up after mandalorian season 3. But I'm not gonna go around telling people they're not allowed to like it. Maybe I'll give it a shot after all thanks to your vid!
You keep asking why people are being so nasty towards anyone who defends Disney Star Wars but you don't seem to be trying to answer that question. You've instead chosen to spend the entire video defending your own opinion while ignoring the elephant in the room. How are those Star Wars fans, the ones that don't like the Disney DEI effect on their beloved franchise, being treated by powerful corporations and media companies? What kind of names are they being called? What kind of legal consequences are they being threatened with? What you are facing is called "backlash" and if the worst form it takes is arrogance and sarcasm then you are NOT defending the side with the moral high ground. Your advice, that we should ignore "one-sided" online reviewers and watch this stuff anyway to "give it a chance" is bad advice. All Disney needs is that watch on their ratings to tell them they're doing a good job and continue producing the same product. Bad idea. If an online reviewer that you trust, because they have plenty of positive reviews on their channel and they didn't enjoy the thing you didn't enjoy for the same reasons you didn't enjoy it in the past, tells you that a new show is more of the same then you should not give it more than one episode to convince you otherwise. I gave Acolyte 2 episodes and I don't t think Disney deserved even that much encouragement. Won't make that mistake again, I'll leave it to the experts who get paid to throw themselves on those grenades.
I know Disney has done a poor job of carrying on the franchise and I did not like The Acolyte. But when I made this video months ago when Ashoka came out it was because some of the criticism was ridiculous. Calling Thrawn fat is stupid and crying about female characters leading the show is also dumb when literally that show was the continuation of Rebels. But somehow "hardcore" fans forgot about that. It's one thing to not like it, but to attack others for their opinions and enjoyment is wrong. I don't think I gave bad advice. Watching a 30 second TikTok that says the show is bad and then instantly feeling the same way is silly. If you aren't going to watch the whole show at least watching a few different reviews.
@@Analyze_This54 This fan baiting stuff was all going on back then, too. I don't have tiktok so not about to base my opinions on anything so unreliable but creators like The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic who do longer form videos, with informed and balanced opinions I have never seriously disagreed with... I think it's safe to let them do the heavy lifting from here on. For what it's worth I agree that there have been some quality products unfairly caught up in the anti-woke backlash. Ms Marvel was actually a brilliant show with a likeable lead, colourful cultural education that didn't feel forced and an excellent study in the difference in cultural expectations between men and women when compared to Spiderman (which it is absolutely is the female story version of - jewelry instead of an icky spider bite, c'mon). Because it had a female lead everyone assumed it was going to be more SheHulk and failed to watch it despite the fact that it might be the only Disney show (aside from Shogun) that does not portray men as exclusively weak, stupid and evil. It's a shame but there are innocent victims on both sides of a culture war. Everyone thinks that corporations are undemocratic but it's not true - we all get to vote with our dollars and our attention.
@@seanbragger7035 Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic are some of the worst parts of the discourse. I more often than not, don't disagree with their takes. That's not my problem with them. It's the WAY they disseminate or execute their viewpoints (and, MUCH more so Nerdrotic than Drinker), that is borderline toxic. I used to like Nerdrotic. A lot. I can't stomach the bloke anymore.
@@seanbragger7035 "The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic who do longer form videos, with informed and balanced opinions" LMAO, those guys are amongst the biggest Star Wars grifters and rage baiters on RU-vid. They are exactly the type of negative fans that the video was talking about. "that does not portray men as exclusively weak, stupid and evil." You haven't watched any of the shows have you? You're one of those goofs that got all their information from video clips and hot takes from grifters. Just like what the video talked about. "It's a shame but there are innocent victims on both sides of a culture war." There is no culture war. Time passes and people change. You are not the same type of person your grandfather or father was. You have different interests and priorities than their generations did and culture naturally changed.
There should be at least a minimal logic ,direction and cohäsion in the starwars stories. Dialogues are terrible. Ashoka watches for 20 seconds at a time blankely tothe screen. I think it is simply no fun for me. It is aggressively mid and bland.
And people are upset about the stab wound because it’s inconsistent bro you gotta admit it… I love Star Wars but now it’s like lightsaber stab wounds don’t kill unless the story dictates that it does… It’s not consistent. She got stabbed the same way Qui Gon got stabbed yet she lived he didn’t.… I don’t get bent out of shape for stupid stuff but light sabers being inconsistent is a big deal. The force being changed is a big deal when it comes to now everyone can use it. I get your gripe, but you gotta understand why other people are having issues even with the Asoka show
The thing about Dave is that he should be in charge, he just can’t have 100 percent control. Otherwise we’ll be back to when Lucas had complete control which was okay but didn’t entirely work (the shows were great but the prequels were not imo). He needs some restraint but should be in charge
I agree. I also don’t expect him to literally write and direct everything. I’d would like him to at least review the plan and make the big decisions on what they make and what direction they go with it. Basically like quality assurance.
He's the Chief Creative Officer. If he became the CEO he would need to run the business side more and not the creative side. He would be beholden to the shareholders whims and not fans. Leave Kennedy in charge and let Filoni work on the creative side.
As a star wars fan Ahsoka was mediocre. The acting was terible, the pace was all over the place, the logic wasn't there, and it was full of cameos that added little to no substance at all. And i watch Clone wars and Rebels, alongside most of the Disney shows
I feel like there are numerous contradictory comments in this video. Kinda a "I'm not gonna practice what I preach" deal. Example - "Don't critique Ahsoka if you haven't watched Rebels". Ok, I completely disagree, but I get it. I don't believe you can understand elements of Ahsoka without watching Rebels. But flip that, those of us who have read Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and The Last Command can't say Dave Filoni got Thrawn wrong because Filoni had a chat with Zahn at a Con? This video creator admits he hasn't read the books but feels it necessary to offer critique towards those that have read them, studied them, loved them. I'm sorry but if peoples opinions about Ahsoka are invalid because they didn't watch Rebels then your opinion on Thrawn is invalid because you didn't read the books. That door swings both ways. Fair is fair. For some reason there is a significant part of the modern fan base that can accept zero criticism of Dave Filoni. For everything he does well, his creativity, my belief that he actually cares about Star Wars - he is not a strong writer, he is not good at dialog - he needs to work more within a team with others helping him where he is lacking. Ahsoka hilights this as its Filoni's most ambitious foray into writing Star Wars thus far. But some will say, " wait, didn't he write The Clone Wars". No, by and large he didn't. Writers were hired to put the ideas to paper and the series was better off for it. Interestingly these is also a critique that would apply to George Lucas, so the apple might not fall too far from the tree :p But even with that said I do think Lucas is a better writer than Filoni. Personally, I'd rather gives the keys over to Favreau, with Filoni advising. And Andor is brilliant for all the reasons mentioned in the video. It is far more Star Wars than you give it credit for being. Star Wars pre 1999 was never really about non stop lightsaber duels znd action scenes driving story telling, it was more nuanced, delved into more different aspects of the universe. Han Solo at Stars End is a brilliant example, not a Jedi in sight, but an brilliant story none the less. The Ewok films, both guilty pleasures of mine, despite their faults are another couple great examples of how varied Star Wars stories can and should be. Droids cartoon, same idea. Stories can stand on their own. You don't need big name cameos every thirty minutes to try and pull on nostalgia strings. Filoni is over the top with that. Mandalorian Season 1 worked brilliantly because it directly avoided that tendency. Same with Andor. The Mandalorian Season 2 started to slide due to precisely that, which I credit to Filoni. We suddenly had to have a new, pre existing name appearance in almost every single episode. Bo Katan, Ahsoka, The Marshal, Boba Fett, Luke Skywalker, R2 D2. It was very Dave Filoni. Yes, I like fun too. But the story has to come before the character drops. Disney+ Star Wars loses sight of that a lot. Anyway, I'm trying to be fair here. I find the over the top critiques of the Nerdrotics and RK Outpost squads preposterous as well. There is a ton of hate for the sake of hating. But there are also a ton of legit reasons for fans to be critical of the direction this franchise has gone.
You make a lot of good points. I think they wrote this show to build off of Rebels more than the Thrawn books. Part of that is due to Disney’s stupid decision to mess with what is Canon and what is Legends. So, we won’t get a story based entirely off of that. You have to at least know the summary of Rebels to have an understanding on why characters are acting the way they are and why the situation is what it is. Not trying to gate keep. It’s the honest truth. My issues with Thrawn is from what I said in the video. I’ve literally heard people complain that he is too fat or acts like a Moron. So, his non-fat body in the books is better? I just think people go to far sometimes with the complaints. We have to accept the fact that they aren’t going to make what we want to see. It sucks, but it doesn’t mean the content the make is all bad. Again, I appreciated reading your thoughts.
@@Analyze_This54 I don't particularly have anything against Lars - good actor - but I find him miscast in the role. My envisioning of Thrawn is not of a sixty year old man with Lars physique. Voice is great, everything else doesn't fit. One thing Zahn always gave Thrawn is that the character had layered plans, layered strategies. Even in set backs he was three steps ahead of the heroes. Zahn crafted scenes so that it appeared the heroes were gonna win, made the audience think the heroes won, only to have Thrawn pull out the carpet from beneath their feet. As you mention in your latest video, the conclusion was all kinda predictable. It bugged me that Thrawn had no tactical answer to three characters making a direct assault on the front door of his fortress beyond "we will throw a few troopers at them". Its a very Clone Wars like style of writing. To me Thrawn should have had answers, Ahsoka and crew should have had a more complex plan than bashing down the front door. And they wasted so much time travelling with the extremely slow moving turtle folk on a time sensitive mission. Nothing about it worked for me. I did enjoy elements. Baylan is an interesting character. The scene with Ahsoka & Huyang lightsaber training Sabine was the single best presentation of Jedi training I think I've ever seen in any format. Its Luke with the remote made modern and more interesting. But to me, overall, the series set up some interesting paths it could have gone, but lacked execution in pretty severe ways. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I just want them to do better - Andor level writing and dialog with some Ahsoka styled action, larger scale battle scenes, would likely be a great point of convergence that would make a lot of fans very happy.
I was disappointed by the new trilogy and the direction Disney set, I have seen a lot of clone wars and quite liked that, I also watched some Rebels and that was not really for me, though I did see one of my all time favourite star wars moments with Maul vs Obi One that was top level for me and a real surprise/treat I am glad I did not miss out due to spite, watching Ashoka is like watching a love letter to those two shows fans and that shines out for me, I think that's why even though it's not my generation I really quite like it and I think the people who did grow up on those shows really deserve this, I think Dave loves the content and fans and I like the bar that sets, that's his his biggest plus for me, much love to all 💙💜❤
Nitpicking is an issue. But you cant ignore the glaring abundance of plotholes, 0 emotion from ahsoka + sabine, thrawn being an idiot, soooo many coincidences. And of course, anakins lesson was redundant and confusing. Filoni is a meh writer. I used to think he was a god, but this show really opened my eyes.
This guy is all about opinion. Ill go with facts about the woke agenda. Go ahead and respond to this? Ahsoka is a feminist propaganda piece. Here is some quotes from Dave Filoni. “I think of myself as very, I like to think liberal minded, but was I as much in practice as I was in theory for what I thought I was. We have to be diligent to break these types of age old biases.” “I want dimensional, diverse characters. I want characters that are women of every race, every age, every description, what have you, doing interesting things and being dynamic. That’s what we are dedicated to at Lucasfilm,” Filoni then outlined Lucasfilm’s vision for Star Wars, “This is what we tried to do with the Star Wars Saga. We tried to create more female characters that can represent so many things. Because what we are trying to do isn’t just create one type of character, we are trying to create a diverse range of characters especially female characters that are strong, that are independent.”
There have been important female characters since day 1 - Princess Leia and Padme. Ahsoka has existed since 2008 and have been in numerous shows under Dave and even George before he sold the company. The Ahsoka show literally is the continuation of the Rebels show and it is tied directly into the "Mandoverse". So what's the problem? Is it because there's a bunch of female characters in the show? The cast has to be male led? Your focus on these quotes distracts you from the whole point of the show. If Ahsoka was being handled like Rey then I'd be with ya. But I disagree when it comes to Ahsoka. Rey was the one characters that was pushed to unrealistic limits.
@Analyze_This54 so you're just gonna ignore all the quotes from Dave Filoni that I posted? He literally admits to having an agenda. It's not about being creative. It's not about having a good show. It's about a LGBTQ, feminist, woke agenda. The problem is the woke agenda. Feminism. How are you clueless of my point? Everything you said is just to dodge my whole point. Disney has literally had whistle blowers who have exposed Disney's agenda to promote LGBTQ, Feminist woke propaganda in children's shows. Star Wars is no different. Their main goal is to implement the woke agenda and narrative into popular shows that normal people enjoy. And that has been a stable of entertainment for many decades. You don't see a problem with that? If you don't have a problem with this agenda. Then, you are considered a shill. And I have no problem with females at all. I have a problem with feminist, LGBTQ woke corporations with an agenda to brainwash kids and force their bs down everyone's throats. Using already established shows, etc, like Star Wars, for example. If Dave Filoni and all the writers for Star Wars are so great. Why is every show flopping? Why have they lost billions upon billions of dollars? Why was George Lucas successful, but Disney is a failure? You can have an opinion. But it's a fact that the majority of people are against it. I loved Star Wars growing up. And a bunch of other Disney movies. Can you at least admit that these people who are running Lucas Films have an agenda? Can you admit that this is nothing like Star Wars that was created by George Lucas? I mean, it's a fact they ditched everything he created.
If you're so frustrated with the way that Disney is portraying Star Wars why don't you buy the Star Wars franchise from Disney and start your own no one will criticise you will they
There are many problems I have with the show, chief among them being Rosario not having a stunt double, she is sooooooo sluggish compared to the other actor(s) just get her a stunt double and there is one of the things that rips me out of an episode gone. again other problems but this is the one I've decided to bring up.
