The State of Hytale in 2023... 

I get what you mean man but people are saying all these things because well actually the opposite didn't happen, halo infinite, cyberpunk, anthem all these games got delayed for years and spent many years in the oven and still came out a disappointment, I really want this game to be the one that ends todays annoying game dev issues or at least more realistically be a start to it for I don't want this game to (for a lack of a better word) cook for years and still come out half baked just like the rest before it. I have faith it will come out and be successful and playable at launch and not be pay to have it fixed later.

Surely something will come this year... right?

It better have a first person mode or ima be pissed

"all caught up on news" leaving so soon? Its alright if you want to stick around awhile though.

I was excited to tell them they said it was coming to mobile. And it was delayed for console. Release it for console but do it later and release on mobile only if it won't kill the games scope. Mobile isn't quite there yet the games are going to be a dumpster fire if they down grade it for mobile.

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Honestly it wont do as well as it would have if it released earlier many people will forget about it I didn't even remember hytale till last week when I saw a vid.

@@lights_utopia1130 yea true I completely forgot this game was even being made for the past two years

​​@@lights_utopia1130 Hard agree. With delayed games people usually say "the longer it takes the more hype builds until people's expectations become too high" but hytale at this stage has even surpassed that phase and now people have just forgotten it and as a result will seem indifferent even when it finally does drop.

​​@@the64bitdragonyberunks first trailer also came out years before its Release and thid this just hyted poeple up for the future. the differnece it, that it was a teaser, hytale releaesed a trailer

Plus, before Riot invested in them (which wouldn't have happened without the trailer and hype), they didn't have the resources to make the game as big as it's going to be now. These resources delayed release time by a lot, but they'll make the game much higher quality once it does release.

@@-Bion Yeah, I understand why people are annoyed, but I'm glad they're taking their time

Bro you all have no hope broo, its riot they will advertise the game a lot, they know about marketing, just look lol ads

@@guillep4826 I know, I was just saying that they would've gone about it differently if they knew about the hype before hand

@@dinoeebastian and the money. If they didn’t have the money it would have been business as usual

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In minecraft the whole chunk isn't rendered, but loaded

​@@skinva no?

especially when you consider the impact this could have on verticality! not having to render or load the entirety of a chunk column might make a height cap completely irrelevant! like what stops players from going as deep or as high as they want to, when vertical and cardinal movement are treated the exact same from a loading viewpoint?

@@loydtheliar5659 It will certainly allow the developers to do what they want with vertical world generation

@@MGMac_ basically it's called face culling. The game loads whole chunk in the RAM but GPU only render visible faces of a cube, allowing for optimisation. It also uses greedy meshing so any flat surface uses as less vertices as possible. For example four blocks in a row can use just one face instead of face for each block. Anyways loading whole chunk is a must. But you can make it go as many chunks in vertical directions as you want

It's almost like people keep forgetting this, when the game is brought up.. modding for MC has literally defined the game, and yet players are working with a tangled mess of code... when Hytale drops, they'll be given shiny new toys that actually work how they're supposed to. Imagine the first few weeks, or months.. what kinds of mods will drop that become iconic. My bet is, somebody is going to fully recreate Minecraft within Hytale, and have it run smoother and better.

@@ava2194 "My bet is, somebody is going to fully recreate Minecraft within Hytale, and have it run smoother and better." Well, that's Bedrock Edition xD

@@FelipeGamer13456Games yea but imagine it running better than Minecraft does, and having actual AI for mobs.

Yeah I play way to many procedurally generated games to know, depending on how they save the files 32x32x32 chunks probably would need some strong form of compacting so it would take longer to save which leads to all types of funky corruptions and rollbacks

Can’t compare it to mc engine is completely different its a different game my brother

@@ginja4977 yes you can. How games render in chunks which is most games always have things in it that can be exploited. I know some may be defenders of hytale and im not attacking it so dont worry there

@@OmegaGiven I am in no way a defender of hytale, but assuming they build a brand new engine from the ground up you cannot expect it to be similar to anything else we’ve played before… Yes they’re going to be exploits, yes they’re going to be bugs, yes they’re going to be glitches, but you still cannot compare it to a totally different game because they simply look the same.. Alas we will never know till the game comes out 🤷‍♂️

@@OmegaGiven It is a well understood phenomenon to those that actually do understand the issue that minecraft is poorly optimized Mojang's room for innovation and capability to fix generation is severely limited to what Microsoft wants done. Look up ant Venom, look at his videos explaining the problems in a condensed and concise manner ( I'm sure you'll need it ), then open their description for the source of the study assuming it wasn't just conducted by ant Venom himself. Using minecraft as an example when all that's done every update is rebuilding it from the ground up, and rarely addressing issues within, possibly birthing a new problem from something as simple as missing a critical snippet of code from a previous version: Is uh, well I can't put this in a way that isn't insulting ( which I don't mean to be ) but to put it plainly you may need a better example than that. Although it is true generation in any game may have its problems with the plausibility that with a language such as C++ which ( I am learning to program in, thus I've started light research into it ), I believe since this is the right step in the right direction, That the possibility that these issues may be addressed is entirely possible and wards their development time. In otherwords I wouldn't worry so much about it, there are some generation problems in minecraft ( such as repeating patterns in generation ) that you literally won't notice on your first playthrough, some instances are so difficult to recognize that even if you looked for them you might not notice. I think that is the state hytale will be in once we get it, aside from some obvious wanky things the internet is gonna over inflate as " super game breaking ". I feel like this probably deserves its own comment section and might consider moving for the sake of conversation.

The marketing campaigns will make sure the hype returns when the game is released. The hype isn't needed now.

hype was intentionaly killed so devs will have less pressure. They'll start rebuilding it when it's time

I think that once they get a couple of Hypixel streamers to play the game, people will start flocking in there :D Also considering they made the game with modding in mind, making custom mods could be easier than with Minecraft, so more youtubers can make interesting twists on the game, maybe that would help

I signed up for the beta so long ago-

@@thiendaifull exactly Rushdown Revolt is an amazing in development Anime cross Platform Fighter which should tune itself before mess marketing an it does

Same here, despite a lot of the community resigning themselves to positions of impatience and assuming the game is dead. Everyone will come back when the game finally is in their grasp. I'm perfectly happy to wait as long as it takes for the devs to feel comfortable about showing the game.

Game has pretty much lost all its hype except a few of ya.

@@dougfoster445 Yeah, but hype isn't needed now. Patience is. As if those who were once excited, won't return once a release date is announced.

@@dougfoster445 nah, hytale twitter's still get 5+k likes every time they post so its not "all hype is lost"

@@21muhammadikram82 You must be confused with another subreddit. All the subreddits on the hytale board have like 20-30 likes....

I adore that the feature was added, especially for the implications of making whole new kinds of generation.. perhaps even some kind of vertical maps.

Reminds me kind of like terraria with its super deep biomes Allows for more depth and better generation and handling of load times Unlike Minecraft especially on mobile which hangs a lot when loading I think these changes are majorly targeted towards these types of players The mobile market is especially popular and will not let this game die at all even if it performs poorly on pc or console it will be free 99

personally I think hypixel is going too far with that. Overcomplicating stuff for absolutely no reason.

Correct :P

Minecraft has been "unbeatable" and has had an iron grip already for a decade. It already happened, and still to this day it has no where near the same types of features Hytale is going to be offering. Mojang would have to recode the entire game to make minecraft do some of the things Hytale will allow you to do. Third option then being Hytale releases and becomes a huge success in its' own right and we can all enjoy both games - much like how we enjoy youtube and twitch, or how we might enjoy both world of warcraft and another MMO.

As a Pokémon fan for nearly 20 years, I really don't want the same thing to happen to Minecraft. If that happens, then Mojang will inevitably become extremely lazy and innovation will slow to a crawl. Future releases might even start being completely broken. Please, Bandai Namco... At least _try_ putting more budget into Digimon. I'd also like to see Yo-kai Watch come to Steam. (I feel so bad for knocking it when it initially came out.)

​@@TheAbsol7448minecraft is not going nowhere. Notch wanted to minecraft to be a indie game But It's not one. Hytale is a indie game its a different genre.

@@bringtolife2586 Indie and AAA aren't genres. Also, Hytale was bought out by Riot. It's no longer indie.

@@TheAbsol7448 hytale has the same mechanics as a indie game. Minecraft didn't have the same mechanic as a indie. That's why minecraft got booted from the indie game genre. Hytale is a indie game minecraft is not a indie. That's the difference

This is where modding comes in I’m assuming that they want players to create their own stories instead of dictating what players can do not to mention it makes their work load lighter since they seem to remaking the game from the ground up.

The way it was described sounds more like how it is in Starbound. Its a procedurally generated world, but there is a set in stone story progression pretty much.

@@arfirik Yeah, that's sorta what I am expecting/hoping for. But until I get official clarification from the devs, I am going to remain at least a little worried.

Even if the story is meh its the gameplay that counts (mostly)

That is my exact worry too, along with worrying about them having bit off more than they can chew. This is A LOT of features, and the last game we say claiming all these things, cyberpunk 2077, was missing half of the features promised not to mention the bugs. It's ambitious, and that can be good but can also be the reason the game fails.

what was it before?

@@kwad9145 java and C#. Would have made scaling the performance hard

​@@Cade467 and they changed to C++ because it would be more easier to have hytale in more platforms

@@guillep4826 that as well, yes.

​@@guillep4826 ??? c++ executables are not platform agnostic while java is due to being a jvm language.

Same, but the thing that interests me more on that front is the way the ai has been shown to play in combat. The fact, that it apparently can use a player's capabilities and give them a decent challenge makes me really want to see how it would handle an extremely complex amount of options, that are very unlike anything the player could do. Also wondering just how noticeable the fancy ai will be on just the basic enemies in the final game.

Its like minecraft and skyrim had a baby

@@skankhunter40k88 which is perfect

Not heard anything on that - this will likely come after we've seen a lot more of the game. I truly believe it will be P2P though because that way we can avoid heavy microtransactions.

@@kweebec I truly hope it will be.

I believe and strongly hope it will be paid. A free game would likely be riddled with microtransactions and ads which would both destroy the game. I am more than happy to pay even a relatively high entrance fee if the game underneath is free to play

@@MGMac_ Same from me my friend, and there's even more ways to keep a game afloat besides just being free to play. But more power to them if they can somehow pull off somewhere in between.. I just know I prefer paid and the security and ensured quality of getting what I pay for.

My friend, with the inbuilt modding capabilities, you could probably make them yourself if they aren't included. It looks as though modding in hytale will be MUCH easier than minecraft. Especially ships and airships should be easy to do, as there's already some vehicles in the game like trains it seems, so i would guess that relative movement is already handled better than in minecraft. Probably just a thing of defining what part of a build is the ship.

​@@loydtheliar5659 "relative movement" can already be done in minecraft

@@juniuwu yeah but it's very janky and doesn't work all too well

@@loydtheliar5659 That's only because it's badly implemented. With proper interpolation done its completely possible to make it smooth.

@@juniuwu yeah but as i said, the relative movement on vehicles or moving platforms etc in minecraft is very very bad and it doesn't really matter that it *could* be better, since its not. Hytale likely will feature better support for this kind of thing, as it's much easier to implement in engines that don't run on java. I don't exactly know what you're trying to argue here

It definitely will do!

Unfortunately since they started redeveloping the engine they said it would not be releasing in 2023 - so I think late 2024 is the most optimistic we can realistically be :P

nah, when they delayed it years ago they stated it will came after 2023

Made a video on the channel about their differences. Check my most viewed vids!

Let's see... story campaign, actual modding features designed and implemented by the devs of the game, literally twice the textures (32x32 instead of 16x16 pixels) actual wildlife, dynamic NPC's, DUNGEONS TO EXPLORE.

You can play it on your steam deck nevertheless, I have Modded Minecraft Java on mine so you don't need to worry :)

it is meant for pc because if modding, console and mobile are secondary versions which is why they "announced" it would be available on console and mobile as well.

@@TrueMikeyQ it's really not that simple. minecraft java edition works fine on the steam deck because it can run natively on linux systems (which is what the steam deck is). linux is capable of running most windows-only games because of a compatibility tool called Proton, but it's never gonna be 100% perfect. in particular, games with bundled anti-cheat systems are known to be really hit or miss, and of course, we don't know what kind of anti-cheat hytale will have. even still, hytale having a native linux build (outside of server hosting) is kinda unlikely imo. windows still has a monstrously high market share, and while linux has been slowly catching up in recent years, i can't really see it competing for a good while still. of course, i'd *love* to be proven wrong, especially since i'd like to make linux my main OS within the next year or two.

I hope it come to steam because it will be cheaper for people in Third World Countries like mine. lol

@@jackdotjs I'm using the windows java edition with fabric mods that use windows directories. It took minutes to set that up completely. Also, there is support for anti cheat games.

Same.

Sorry but i want to ask you out of curiosity, why use Linux for games? I thought Linux is just for developers, business, engineers etc..

@@twentytwo138 I am a software developer lol, I used to have Windows installed alongside Linux and would use Windows to play games, but I got tired of the of Windows BS, so now I only use Linux

I believe they mentioned a while back that they're optimizing it for lower end machines.

@@theblackspark2644 awesome my last question is it gonna be a paud game? Probably will

Was that on riot’s end saying that or Hypixel studios? It’s good either way, but if riot said that it gives me hope that they may be embracing this form of development that doesn’t rush or give in to hype to deliver, but takes their time and creates something truly amazing.

@@bluelemonade415 That's from Riot themselves! You can also just see it in their products. Games with their label have a certain quality to them, regardless if you like them or not.

@@Darkrider225 I’ve never really played many of their games as I’ve gotten super busy in recent years becoming an adult n stuff, but I’ve heard so much bad and seen this trend of releasing a game seemingly half done and releasing the rest over time, sometimes making you pay more for those. I know I wasn’t around back in the day for midnight releases at game stops when games like OG modern warfare 2 dropped n stuff, but I wish we could go back to a time where the game isn’t rushed and pretty much good to go after release. At most just keeping up with patching bugs and some bonus content they release later purely to give more to the players. Idk I’m tired so might be coming out a bit weird, but Y’know what I’m getting at lol

Yeah, people have not learned from Duke Nukem Forever.

Optional Online Game.

I think he's suggesting that we are all at war within ourselves. It's a dark message he's sending, one that makes you sit in a quiet corner of a room in the fetal position questioning your sanity.

That's what the 3rd mode - Adventure will be about. Survival RPG style. But also you could just generate your own world in Creative mode and set the options to make players be in survival when they join. And then customise that world however you want. And i'm sure the Online social server will have some survival-themed minigames like Hunger Games.