The Story of Leto II - God Emperor of Dune | Dune Lore 

Alia didn't have Paul Muad'dib. How can you overcome the Baron without Muad'dib?

​@VaeluX he still couldn't overcome them all. Even with paul

I agree. I felt bad for alia

Low IQ

@@VaeluX baron philosophy is not wrong, tho

Just like a wise dad would do.

Didn't realize it till you put it that way. But it also makes sense.

Exactly. Be such a horrible tyrant for sooooo long that it gets ingrained in humanity’s DNA to never allow that to happen ever again.

When you are a god that can see across all of time, you don't make plans; you choose paths.

All according to plan!

she knows she's not convincing in her slow as hell reply when confronted by the duke about being a spouse and am other first or a bene gesserit, and they both know it's all too obvious.

To be fair, she is Harkonnen on her father's side.

While she's a horrible person in terms of morality, I do think a lot of her failures to protect or love her children and grandchildren came from the Bene Gesserit training and the botched trial by which she became a reverend mother. Her emotions were entirely obliterated by thousands of her predecessors, and her son basically chose to undergo the same process by which he abandoned his morals and emotions in the same ways. There's no way to be a Bene Gesserit and keep your humanity, as ironic as it is to say.

That's not surprising. She never got to the mourn her "husband". By the end of Dune, Paul had transformed into a monster, and Alia was already going through with her struggles.

well, not surprising since she was a space feminist like her other sisters aka bene geserits)

Leto 2 mashing the "Duncan" button on his Ghola Maker

“Hey, Ix… I’m uh.. gonna need another Duncan. Like, yesterday.”

@@ER1CNOIRwrong faction, it was the thuxalu

@@The_preserver_x16 arent they from ix too?

@@The_preserver_x16 wrong spelling but I know who you’re talking about lol

❤

There is no avoiding it. Just surviving it.

Gives me chills, too!

you mean that creepy "dream are from the deep..etc etc" sound? really?

I love this idea. I'm pretty sure in the movies it's Sardukar language both times. Of course Leto can speak Sardukar so still possible.

I now choose to believe this, because it’s fascinating to imagine.

Nah it’s just the throat singer

Is no one worried that all of this was just propaganda? Every tyrant thinks they're doing what is necessary to take group to utopia and when utopia is on the line.. What wouldn't you do to get there lol The invisibility to prescience just ends with the giant worm dude eating everyone one by one as they walk through a pair of doors unaware of what's on the other side

You go against authority because you've never been exposed to a healthy one. In Dune Leto assumes that most people haven't, so he becomes what people are used to, just one that can't be rebelled against.

Follow what lead? The empire of Dune was fine with how it was for the 10,000 years it had been running. Why would people want to take risks and abandon their "safe" life they were already living. Leto had to rule like a Tyrant to drive humanity to evolve

​@@AleksandarIvanov69I mean he didn't assume he saw what would happen with each decision

Just look at how Stilgar did not listen to what Paul was saying so that Paul finally decided to rather be the tyrannical messiah isntead.

Ha ha, big worm man funny (he is the best tho)

Do it in 2 or 3 parts

@@rahvinkeaves7871 4 min or just don't do it

@adamcohen4864 well I am a newb so I cant disagree with you :)

You should absolutely stop reading Brian books and you should read god emperoro of dune and then comment again

Appreciate it

Appreciate it!

something about the 5th and 6th books is disjointed. Took multiple tries on book 5 and book 6 just chapter 1.

but I was only 18 or 19 too.

Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed!

> no specifics mentioned of video (aka didn't watch) > appeal to an irrelevant topic

They did mention that the God emperor of mankind from 40k is pretty different lol

Lighten up Francis, it’s a book

​@@bobbyaloma9214Dude, it's a 40k ref

The Emperor protects!

I just want dune to end after the scattering, the honoured matres imo was unnecessary

Wow, well said. You're exactly right

Have you read God Emperor yet???

@@ER1CNOIR no I’m almost done with children

It's same as Satan (shatan) and stein (rock), also roshe

The very existence of our species, but I want my children to be able grow in freedom. It’s so fascinating

@@Wantabe2188that’s why Leto II had to do what he did and become a monster because he was the only one that could do it.

The answer is answered, and very thoroughly and succinctly: The means are the ends, and must therefore justify themselves.

Ten thousand years and we still can't see nor understand. How many Duncans?

No one will ever convince me that the ends justify the means. Leto II, Ozymandias and others that think themselves the savior of Humanity by forcing cooperation through adversity are megalomaniacs who only consider their own views and who make grand decisions that concerns everyone consulting no one. This is probably the nihilistic in me talking also, but maybe Humanity's time is over? How many species have come and gone on this planet alone? Isn't hubris to think that our species *needs* to outlast its time, again and again? We're not special and our extinction is inevitable. And in reference to the books, attempting to change Dune's ecology (and inherently the Fremen culture from survival to climate changing) had catastrophic consequences. Going againts the natural course of things was wrong - Liet Kynes realized this in his moment of death - "The most persistent principles in the universe are accident and error". The Universe is indifferent to any planning, because we are ultimately inconsequent to Nature. And so, what is Leto doing? Forcing a change in Men by altering its ecology (religion, politics, economics, etc.). Wouldn't the result be just as catastrophic? Of course, in a book you can write whatever result you want, but in the real world, this wouldn't work, nor would it be acceptable.

More specifically, to be wary of tyrants who rule with that logic

@@noahhodges7697but the end DID justify the means in the case of the Tyrant, the God Emperor.

​@@ER1CNOIR no, the message is to clearly a cautious tale against tyrant rulers. Those who thinks their cruel plans can be justified after getting outcome are dreamers who don't look at the tragedy at present timeline. They don't care about common masses because they aren't any special or of importance. World has already seen such rulers and the tragedy they brought on society. So what if Paul and Leto got successful in their plans? Their and their family whole life got ruined , so many people died in jihad. Were those people's life wasn't important? That's what is the philosophy of this story.

​@@noahhodges7697exactly! Those who are saying that ends justify the means are clearly thinking opposite of what author wanted readers to think lol 😂

The end is another beginning for ever & ever..........

Yes

I believe he married her purely for legal reasons. He didn’t have sexual relations with her

You can see many, many things in Franks writings. Nietzsche… the Bible and the Quran and religious ideologies rooted in Christianity. Anarchist political thought. The Art of War. Every time you read them you’ll catch on to something else

Theology could take a chapter from Dunes. Star Wars visions is Dune's pass.

He didn't fall in love with his sister.. it was somewhat sealing the attreides throne and he was also taking over the bene gesserit breeding program which means controlling the attreides genes through the offsprings of his sister as his body had started undergoing the sandtrout transformation

Agree with books 5 & 6. But I always saw God Emperor as a single book between 2 trilogies (if Herbert lived long enough to write book 7). It’s the book that holds the entire series together and my favorite of the series. I’ve read books 5 & 6 three times each and I still cant fully wrap my head around all of it. Too many shapeshifters, clones, bad faith actors, schemes-within-schemes from an entirely new cast of characters. I don’t even know all of the political factiins. Very confusing.

Compelling analysis. Might I suggest children’s cartoons? Seems more appropriate for your IQ.

@@NathanHigger do u have one in mind. Avatar and arcane r good

@@SandB I’m thinking blue clues is more your speed bud

​@@NathanHigger tf is blue clues. i assumed superhuman leto would mark the decline of religious fervor/cosmic politic themes, cuz he can 1v9 civilizations uk. cant say for sure tho until i read the books. r u a fan of his

@@SandB Scratch that, after reading that mess, I am thinking Dora or Reading Rainbow for you my guy. Take it slow btw, don't want you to get burned out early and give up. Hang in there champ you will figure it out one day.

Dune is probably older than you are. Who cares about spoilers.

You should've read the book before the bandwagon started 😎

Dude, books been out longer than Star Wars. There’s no such thing as spoilers for dune, just you learning about it years later (like me) and complaining that people who read it 20 years ago are talking about it. We just can’t be. unless someone recites a specific scene in detail and you haven’t watched the movie it’s not a spoiler. His emperor been known about for ever. And two movies have been made before the new dune. Stop watching dune videos lmao

@@frozen9065 There are spoilers when the movies have made it 100x more popular and that's what the vast majority are having as their first experience. And I'm not watching dune videos...hence the comment about the thumbnail.

@@JacobGust made it maybe 3x more popular. Or just relevant today. It’s insanely popular before the movie s

Nope. The number comes before the surname when you are naming a member of a dinasty. In Spain, for example, we say "Juan Carlos the First of Borbon".

@@anothertarnishedone5960 My man still aint come to the realization that most languages in history speak more like Yoda and less like Elmo.