The Strange Case Of Pelé: GOAT or Fraud? 

I'm glad I'm only hearing about this crime now still shocking how dumb people can be.

shame on u. he was a fraud and an awful person till the very end. the fact that u're angry about the disrespect doesn't change the truth. cry me a river. the shoulders u're talkin about are don alfredo di stefano's. never forget that

@@harithdanial141 what makes pele the goat. I don't see why and how pele is the goat Changing the way the game play don't make a player the goat johan cruyff also change the game but he is not considered the greatest.

@@royjohnson2519 It's mainly because the modern players today have so much influence from the old players. Lets say Messi was in the time of Pele. He would be a great player, yes, but he wouldn't be as prodigious as now. Why? Because the Olden players had invented so many things that the newer players took and mastered. Without those being invented, the prestige of a certain character wouldn't be there. But if you were to take Pele and put him in modern times, the exact opposite would happen. The techniques invented by the older players would get nurtured by Pele and he could change it into a godlike thing. A prime example of this could be Zidane's Marielle Roulette, which was invented by Maradona. If Maradona never invented that, Zidane's skills may have been hurt as he didn't know how he could do it.

In recent time, only footballers and those that played football regularly recreationally would know how good he is. The rest are just fans who only know current players

He was so slow, and defenders were pathetic slugs, today he would be average. Cruijff was a modern player, not him. He wasn't better than Di Stefano or Garrincha.

@@tairo1092 Di Stefano Club player, Cruiff 1 wc, Pelé 3

@@tairo1092 Sure. He scored pretty much a goal per game because he was slow

@@tairo1092 speaks 2 languages: English and Bullshit.

@@antoniomello3026 Imagine Haaland and Pelé running lol. He had a technique inferior to Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Neymar, Zidane etc. I will prefer ten times Modric to him. Brazil won because had the best team, not because of him.

O cara do canal é portuga. Coração tá perto 🇵🇹🇧🇷

@@danielgomessilva8966 what? Only the language is the same, Portugal and Brazilian are completely different

hes loved and repected in england all the front and back pages of all the newspappers was devoted to pele ,passing , only nelson mandellar and muhhamed ali received this level of attention ,respect and tribute excluding the queen of england,which should tell you something pele is the greatest ambassador Brazil has ever had i hope he gets the respect he deserves in btazil by monuments ,statues dedicated to his memory befitting his contribution and iconic international global status

I think most Brazilians have no idea the effect Pele had on people far away from Brazil. In his prime every kid in Africa wanted just to be Pele. For the African populace in large Pele was on mythological par with the likes of the Greek gods like Zeus. His name was synonymous with lightening, tornedo or hurricane. He was the mega force, the atomic bomb of football. To Africans when someone mentions Pele there is only one thing that comes to mind BRAZIL... and when someone mentions Brazil, there is only one name that comes to mind PELE! Brazil=Pele and Pele=Brazil. Period! He is the first and last Brazilian to put Brazil right on the world map. Because of Pele Africans till now LOVE and root for the Brazilian team. When Brazil loses in world cup, Africa is in tears and when Brazil wins, the whole Africa is overjoyed. He engraved the Brazilian yellow jersey and the legendary number 10 on every non Brazilian child, man, and woman's mind. On every African country sport radio broadcasts, there was only megastar that controlled the air waves, Pele!. Legend has it that people used to kiss the ground he walked on. I can go on and on about his legends. The words "GOAT" or "King of football" don't do any justice to him. He was bigger than the game itself. He overshadows the entire game. Without him, football has no meaning at all. He is the father and football is just his little kid.

@@goodlife7018 football* but i agree with you but without Football i dont think Pele would have become what he was so you can say Pele and football are twins

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@@mihailnikoloff2554 messi: 7 ballon 1 wc Pele: 7 ballon 3 wc

@@mihailnikoloff2554 Jelousy???

@@eduardoq.1544 Pele has 0 balloon d'ors as at that time it was an award only achievable for the European players

same, messi the goat but pele ands johan are easily the ones that made football be what it is today

fax but Messi #1 Cristiano Ronaldo #2 3 and 4 is either Pele or Maradona.

@@Bsmv712 you are too young

Okay, so tell me something: why do people form opinions first before even looking at the data? I was arguing with someone who called Pele a speed merchant. Speed wasn't even his top five skills!

@@Bsmv712 You have no idea what you wrote.

me and you both from england ,Jamaican mum inspired the wind rush generation to become footballers rather than cricketers clive best,lauri Cunningham, Cyril regis,brendon baston,remi moses,viv anderson,jhon barnes ,,ian right , chris houton, paul mcgrath ,the list goes on

Yaad mad

Same and i am from India 😂😂😂

The only club tshirts Bob Marley used were the Brazilian national team and Santos Fc, the only club Pelé played in his life Greetings from Brasil One love 🇧🇷🇯🇲

​@@stiflerpatoNew York Cosmos...

Rare comment!

Pelé and Garrincha made their names in Sweden, this was just the beginning of a new age for football

Faced the powerful Gre-No-Li trio in 1958

Typical modern swedish cu ck mentality lol. How pathetic.

@@tairo1092 How's that "cuck"?What's the problem in recognizing Pele's greatness?

Not one of Pele is football.

Bros on life support

@@TekkzFooty10all of Pepsi fans gunna be commenting on these same kind of videos of Pepsi and penaldo in 20 years dumbass funny how ironic ur comment is gunna be little kid

​@@TekkzFooty10😂

Wait, in what age did Mbappe winning the World Cup?

@@kohikappu the age older than Pelé :)

Most offensively complete,i think. I'd put Di Stefano above him for total completeness

Defence???

Except 3 header goals in a single game

gullit cruyff

Also would play as backup goalkeeper

And sad because is happened after he died. 😔🤦🏻

​@@CeuAzulllthat's what happens with most people like that

@@CeuAzulll He was called the king of football. He already had the respect of the world, only kids didn't know that.

I agree on the first part, but I don't think anyone will ever break the 91 goal record Even CR7 who some frauds put into the GOAT debate never managed to bang more than 69.

@@hami_1012 pele has 127 goals in a year lol and cr7 >>> pessi

2076?

Yeah there is no debate, Messi is for now

Spot on mate

They say in practice he'd play GK but without using his hands. He'd stop the ball with his feet, his head, with bicycle kicks even, and sometimes it would be way harder to score on him, than on the team's designated goalkeeper.

Yes he did lol

Cruyff also

Santos is undoubtedly the most successful team in the world during Pele time. Beat almost all teams during their tour to Europe. Beating the European champion.

Brilliant mate, just another fact, not almost all the players who were champions of 58,62 and 1970 World Cup played in Brazilian league, but simply ALL OF THEM did in fact play in Brazilian leagues. Back then, even though Brazil did already export a few top class players like Evaristo de Macedo (Barça, Real Madrid), the Brazilian confederation scouts did not have enough media coverage from abroad to know how well those players were doing, and, since Brazilian club sides had an overwhelming record against european ones, Brazilian managers simply did not call upon Brazilian players playing abroad in Europe or anywhere outside Brazil. That only started for the seleção already in the 80ies, when plenty of it's top stars went to play on Serie A (Italy) and that tournament got TV coverage and was broadcasted to Brazil.

There was no single Brazilian league at the time. Until (I think) 1971, it was only the state championships. Maybe they had a round of playoffs to determine an overall champion, but Brazil was too big and too poor to sustain a nationwide round-robin tournament. While I've little doubt that the best teams in the Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo state leagues were every bit as good as their European equivalents back then, it may be that those competitions did not have the same depth. (I have no idea whether that's true or not; but the fact that Didi, Garrincha et al played in those competitions doesn't change the fact that it may be. The highest level of play in those competitions must have been excellent, but that tells us nothing about the lowest or the middling.)

So because he has a cry to the ref and gets punished, they just take the ref off to make him happy. What a little biatch

@@BlazeBuds It was to make the crowd happy. As you must've seen in the video, when Santos went on tour, it was an event. They were like the Globethrotters They stopped a war to see him play. Imagine thousands of fans waiting to see the King of football play on your town agaisnt the local team, and then the ref red card him before half-time? It was an exhibition match.

The last thing was a bit harsh

That is the main problem a lot of stories are exaggerated or not possible to prove. Why would any goals scored in an exhibition match where you cannot be sent off and the crowd turn on the opposition team if they save a goal be seen as serious? Nice to watch a brilliant player but I am sure they don't count all the baskets scored by the globe trotters as in exhibition matches as valid for a players career. As to the myth they stopped the war in Nigeria, they played the game in Lagos SW Nigeria -- the Biafran war was 400 miles away in SW Nigeria so how did some players claim to hear gunfire as their plane took off? There are no records of the supposed cease which is claimed as a the length of the match, a day, 2 days, a week by assorted stories.

These stories just make his career seem more unserious😬

Not really there’s cameras in pele time there weren’t and football was just a part time job for many so they didn’t take it seriously

Except Ronaldo is actually overrated

@@dddtx780 not really in the Brazilian league. It was arguable the best league at its time

@@Decinitive smoking cigarettes in half time and have second jobs football back then wasn’t that serious not until late 70s

@@cockatoo010 damn bro instead of appreciating a legend you make yourself a clown

Have you actually seen him playing? He was definitely the best top skilled player ever. The man pulled literally every move you’ve ever saw Ronaldo, Messi and CR7 do but 50yrs early which makes it even more impressive.

@@Nicolau_Flamelaside from all his available highlights, i saw most of Pele’s World Cup games in their entirety. I saw Pele as a 17 year old receive a high pass with his knee outside the box and volley it into the bottom corner before it hit the ground. I haven’t seen another player with so much skill at that age aside from Maradona. Pele, Garrincha, and Dida particularly stood out in that 1958 World Cup. I personally think Maradona had more ball control and skill than Pele. I respect Pele for doing a lot of things first, but that doesn’t mean he did it the best. Messi seems like he might have a little more skill than Pele too, but I would never try to belittle Pele’s accomplishments or skills.

@@aaronsnumbuh2 wtf?

From what I learned, the skill moves Pelé used was a martial arts brazilians practiced with the ball so he did not really invent it, he re introduced and solidified it's standing.

It was Krav Maga.@@Diggymafiggy

Apoio, Dinamite era uma máquina

Roberto dinamite e Zico são do mesmo nível. Uma pena que só um tenha o reconhecimento que merece

Grande jogador, jogou até no Barcelona.

Youre actually describing Messi, or did you ever see Pele play on the right Midfield, or s a False 9? Messi played at every offensive position that exists on a at least World Class Level or lets say on a messi Level, which means no one ever reached that. Messi is the best passer and playmaker by far, the best dribbler by far in the history of the sport and the fastest one on top of that. And with that i dont mean just running a straight line with the ball as fast as possible and hoping to pass 1-2 players maximum. I mean real dribbling with changing directions with unbelivable timing, simply as efficient as possible while outdribbling up to 5-6 defenders, the whole defence actually, and on top of that scoring a spectacular goal, like the lobs over the GK that Messi does, no one in the History of the Sport has as much the so calle "chip" over the GK goals, which needs so much ball control, timing and and also cojones. Pretty much every footballer is already happy to do that once or twice in their careers, Messi has done that at least 50 times. Plu i cant recall even a single time where he failed to do it. His ball control is just otherwordly, no matter what he is doing, and thats what separates him from anyone else. But i stop here, allthough i could write hours about Messis superior skills and the reason why he is easily the greatest, the best footballler of all time. I watch Football since a lil over 40 years, my first years watching was about in 1980/81, so fact is ive seen a lot of great player come and go, but no one ever impressed me as Messi did. And i already said about 10 years ago that he is the GOAT, him winning the WC had no influence on that. Also, Pele is obviously one of the greatest, easily Top 5, if not top 3. Some peole will think i have something against pele just because i dont share their opinions, which is total bullshit. Why should i have anything aginst one of the very best, most skilled, revolutionizing, and one of the most laid back and humble men to ever live.... Siempre Pele I hope he and Senna and Ali and Maradonna and all the other greats have a terrific time up there :)

@@A-m-K Pele is the only footballer who had no weaknesses to his game. Messi is a great player but for example here are his weaknesses: Defensive contribution, Weak Ariel game, One-footed, Technically very limited in terms of passing etc. Pele played deeper than Messi in his career and wasn't a centre forward or false 9.

@@A-m-Kyou wrote a whole thesis to let us know that you never watched Pele play.

If Messi is that great how come he only won 1 world cup at the age of 35?? Why it took him so long to finally win a world cup (one which people are saying was rigged due to the 5 penalties awarded to him)?. And out of 5 Copa America Tournaments, he only won 1 in 2021 (actually his team did - he didn't score 1 single goal in that match). Plus, rumors say he uses Growth Hormones which gives you tremendous energy and enhances performance. And this is cheating.

@@A-m-K Pelé could play much better defensively than Messi. Sometimes he could play like a CDM.

100 percent

Agreed..no way you can compare Messi to goat pele..the king of football

@@Marwan..121 exactly

Messi wouldn't even be a professional because the growth treatment he went through didn't exist if we're being honest.

Agreed..while there were many greats like platini..cryuff..Zidane..nobody to transcend the great game like pele

👏👏in Nigeria and all over Africa is name pele was all over as the king 👑 of football

Great italian defenders like Giovanni Trappatoni (who faced him in Milan x Santos) or Facchetti (in 70 final) have always said he wasn't from this world.

Recency bias sadly.

Lol did someone hurt your feelings?

@@BlazeBuds Ignorance hurt my feelings, actualy

He won second without even playing

Garrincha entered the chat . RIP little bird .

@@wsp2000actually he contibuted by playing two games in 1962 ,he was kicked out of 62 and brutalised in 1966 many players have been awarded a world cup just being a squard member so do me a favour with that crap

@@wsp2000 actually he played in two games in his second win and contributed in thoes games many people have medals for simply being a squard member so spare me the crap

@@wsp2000 actually he won the second by contributing to securing the victory in the first game of 62 and playing 20 minutes in the second game after coming of injured due to rough house fouling which today you be issued with a red card ,that protection wasnt afforded to pele get your facts write

Interesting how they never consider the opposite. They never wonder how Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo would do in that era. You can only analyze how great a player is by comparing his distance to the other players of his generation. Pelé's distance to other footballers of that time far surpasses that of Messi or Ronaldo to other players of the current generation.

@@CursedSwede I really wonder if Messi would survive being so short... And like Pele was black and had genetics on his side...cant deny that. Would Messi be able to take those hits?

@@henry247Messi survived sergio ramos and pepe

That must have been before HGH had been isolated. I've always said without HGH he would have been a circus freak but after reading your comment I think shoe shiner is more likely. The silence regarding Messi's PED usage is very telling. Having exogenous HGH a long with possibly other agents gave/gives him many advantages other players don't have, but commentating about it gets you banned on some sites.

Little sus innit?

@@henry247 💯

It's a place that doesn't care much about football, real football I mean

@@gannielukks1811 Yep. I watched futbol along with golf and hockey a little as a kid, but I just couldn't get into them. I watched Pele when he was on the Cosmos. I'd give any sport a shot, but for me, American football, basketball, baseball and tennis are what stuck. I saw him in the mid 90s so he must have been in his 50s.

Messi has won more than 7 I believe so end of discussion

Messi has won 7. Pele would have won more than 7 if he had been permitted to play for European clubs, Pele has won 3 World Cups, Messi 1. The discussion ended long ago ... in 1958 World Cup, when Pele aged 17 scored 6 (including 2 in the finals) actual goals, not just penalties, which is what most of Messi's WC goals are, so .... end of discussion.

@@dukeemzworth3005 Pelé actually won 7. FIFA awarded a retroactive ballon d' or to him

@@gannielukks1811 - France Football magazine which awards the Ballon d'Or gave Pele the 'Football Player of the Century' award.

@@BlazeBudsPele has 3 World Cups, Messi BARELY got one! So end of discussion

@@user-rh1qe6gs5jiu8 i will never understand these people... they just join the messi or cr7 crowd and pretend like they even understand football, pele was an amazing player, so was ronaldinho, why cant we just respect players for their uniqueness and talent instead of trying to compare the same two players who are different in every way possible

@Diego Amato st*u

The only ones making disrespect are the cowards and liars. Do not feel bad. It is pure envy and hatred. He came from Brasil and not their nation. It makes them angry. I watch Pele and shake my head, to see the greatest ever. Me? I just a normal man. I am not Pele.

King 👑 pele is football and football is pele

Even as a brazilian, I thought F1 cars were called "Schumacher" when I was a kid. I didn't even know he was actually a piloto until I grow up. Still, Senna was my biggest idol in the sport, man was the fastest.

A lot of peoples are paying more atention because of his passinf but at least they arw doing it, meanwhile Pele was named THE ATHLETE OF THE CENTURY twice both in 1981 and in 1999.

@@BurnRoddy The fact that he was named the athlete of the century in the last year of the century, 30 years after his retirement just proves that he was in fact the greatest athlete that lived in more than 100 years.

Pele the king of all kings

That's literally Endrick today, lol.

​@CursedSwede endrick is 16 and has scored 4 goals in 11 matches. He's got great potential but it is a sin to compare him to Pele.

And even stuff they don't such as the pass to the opossing defender in order to bounce the ball back to himself. Even today players are comming up with new plays only to people finding out later that Pele was doing it 60+ years prior. He was simply so mindbogingly ridiculously ahead of the rest he virtually seems outside of time.

The players were physically weaker back then, thats just plain wrong. People in general were smaller. They didnt have access to the diet or training regimens of today and a for a lot of them football was a side hustle instead of a full time job, there was less money in the sport.

@@caralho5237 People were the same then. Nothing has changed. There's more money now and the training is better, but humans haven't changed. Pele could have played and excelled in any era.

Yep so true. He played with the best team ever. So winning 3 world cups is great, but they weren't just his achievements, that team was unstoppable even without him

@@CC-xu2yz actually if anything humans have gotten smaller on average since then

@@caralho5237 Actually, most of the players of that time were forced to do military services at the age of 18-20.

With his growth hormones disorder, he would remained at 5 foot 2 inches tall if he born 40 years earlier anyways.His story ends by rejected by the local clubs

Maradona was 5’4 and still became the goat

YES ..SEEING THE MOST PATHETIC WAY A CAPTAIN HAS EVER LIFTED A WORLD CUP MY DAYS WERE MISERABLE..BUT NOW THAT ALMOST EVERYONE EXCEPT A FEW KIDS AGREEING ON PELE GOAT DEBATE MAKES IT ALL GO AWAY..

👍👍👍I keep telling my friends football was fucking hard.Playing without protection and hard tackles

Fact

that's just nonsense

@@ARCPolus name someone above pele who is more glorious, i will prove you wrong.

@@AFreaks Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Octavianus...

@@ARCPolus @Beaver 252 did you read my comment, i mentioned "without a bloodshed". Without bloodshed You can only become most glorious person only on a sports field. And no person in the history was more glorious on the sportsfield than Pele. Thats why International Olympic Committe awarded him "Athlete of the Century".

@@AFreaks Muhammad and Jesus are both clear of Pele my guy