I honestly, HONESTLY hope they stay away from time travel. Time travel, if done poorly (and it's easy to do poorly), tends to tear plot to shreds. Not just that, "Going back and preventing it before it all started" is also a horrible way to end a show, on par with "It was all a dream" in my opinion.
Ok but if it saves Eddie I’m down. (lol sort of kidding, I understand your point) Who knows though maybe they could make it work, if they even go that route
I stand by the fact that people exaggerate how "bad" Steve was in season 1, He only truly stepped over the line one time and that was in the alley while he was insulting Jonathan. Everything else had understandable reasons.
And rightfully so most people in his high school thought Johnathan was weird and rumors spread that he killed Will, obviously they don’t know what we know so Steve believed the rumors. And Johnathan did take pictures of Steve and Nancy where having sex while he was creepily watching, we know that Johnathan was there looking for clues on Wills disappearance but through Steve’s eyes he thinks Johnathan is a pervert and creep so he smash’s Johnathans Camera. The only bad thing Steve did was believe in rumors and he wasn’t that much of dick tbh he was more self-centered then a dick 🤷🏾♂️
Was he the ABSOLUTE worst? No. But he also wasn’t good. It’s like when you have a mental illness but not bother taking care of it because some people have it worse.
@@10KProductions I’d take place in mk ultra if it meant I’d get free lsd, the profit margin is 100%, literally free money as long as Uncle Sam doesn’t find out
the 'el becomes the final villain' theory is FURTHER BACKED UP by the fact that in ep1, s1 when Dustin and Will race home to see who wins a comic, Will wins and says he'll take 'X-men 134' the issue in which the HELLFIRE CLUB turn Jean into a villain
I mean that was mainly meant to foreshadow Eleven killing the demogorgon against a blackboard at the end of the season but there could be something else there
I thought they already entertained this plot point in season 4 with the whole Jane thinking she's a monster thing and just whisked it away pinning it all on Vecna. If they do bring it up again, it'll just feel repetitive and her whole introspection will have been pointless.
I think Will will finally play a major role in the final season. He was kinda neglected the last seasons. It started with him and will end with him. He has a very strong bond to the Upside Down as mentioned in the latest season and I think Vecna will use his misunderstood character as a benefit in some way and will maybe turn him against his own friends and family. I would even say 001 and Will have similarities like being considered weird and different. Furthermore I think 011 will be the heroine.
there is an ugly rumor that a Russian Girl was given the Bionic Woman treatment and used as the model for the 10 year old girl who wrote to both President Ronald Reagan and Russian President Nicoli about "No Nukes!" it made peace between the Eagle and the Bear.
@@kkslider7567 Lol they’ve got 66 likes and you’ve got none so it’s pretty clear that SOMEBODY cares..you on the other hand? Well let’s look at how many likes you have at the time of me posting this comment…umm oh yea, you’ve got zero. 🙂
Actually we’ve forgot a tiny little detail of Will’s disappearance. After we see the figure on the road, he comes back to the house right? And closes the door…and then the door chain moving (telepathically) so it means that it was Vecna from the very beginning! Aaand If Will Would’ve been taken by Demogorgon he would die immediately like Barb did, but we saw absolutely different situation. So Will was in Vecna’s plan all along and more likely to turn bad again.
They’d better not undo the events of the show via time travel at the end. That would completely and utterly gut the show and destroy rewatch value. A cartoon called Trollhunters helmed by Guillermo Del Toro ended with the protagonist going back in time and not only was it an affront to viewers, but it completely destroyed the good will the show had built up over 6 seasons. “Do over” endings are weak, and weak endings are a good way to obliterate a fan base. Like, just look at GoT.
I used to hate that Stranger Things could bring any song they want into the global spotlight, but I ate my words when they included Master of Puppets. Hell yeah.
Why would you hate that? It’s cool seeing all these 80s songs returning to the spotlight once again and introducing new fans to those genres and artists
@@wyldegi Well I mean I said I ate my words, didn’t I? I was just annoyed because they’d get played everywhere randomly for no other reason than a ton of kids started singing and posting the songs.
@@lordcthathatha3133 Yeah I was just curious. I don’t think that new fans finding older music is bad thing though. I would be very happy that a song’s legacy continues past my generation
Ive always believed that Kali is gonna play a pretty decent sized role in the series conclusion. I think shes gonna play a part in helping Eleven get strong enough to be able to challenge Henry too
There was actually a small mention of 008 by Henry himself he said "do you remember a few years ago, some woman came to see you, this would've been shortly before 008 left"
Literally just a tiny Itty bitty mention does not mean the character is going to come back. The brothers just had to mention it because if they didn't then people would be calling it a Plot hole.
Exactly thank you. If they did that it would make the rest of series pointless because of all the character development, actions of characters, and relationships would be erased and the only thing we as a viewer would be doing is asking why should I even care if it’s all gonna be erased
Plus I don’t think people would be willing unless there was literally no other way - Mike and El never would’ve met, for example, and I don’t think that’s something the characters would be willing to do.
For the last theory, they also mention X-men issue 134 back in the very first episode. An issue that is a part of the Dark Phoenix story that mentions the Hellfire Club by name on the cover
I'm thinking Will might end up becoming the final antagonist. Since him and Vecna are connected since season 1, that may lead to Vecna possibly using Will as a host or something like that. That would definitely bring more attention to Wills character, which I feel they definitely want to try to do in season 5.
Yeah especially since he spent all of season 4 being ignored, neglected and maybe rejection from Mike could push him further away from the group in future.
the annoying thing about will becoming a host for Vecna (again) is that it strips him of his agency and puts him firmly into more of plot-device territory, which is what has been done to him for the past 3 seasons (since he was barely in the fourth one). I think a more interesting path for his character is to give him actual autonomy instead of turning him into a puppet again. But hey, as long as he has an actual role in the story again I won't be picky pft
@@disconsolate3235 Exactly. They really need to have him rise above Vecna's control, and for God's sake, his friends need to start finally giving a shit about him!
The funny thing is Kate Bush doesn't copyright any of her music, so anyone can use her songs for free but she still made a sweet chunk from streaming royalties
I just let 2, 5+ minute ads play through for ya, if that’s a not a true testament of my appreciation I don’t know what is lol. All jokes aside I’m really looking forward to working with you in the future, keep up the great work!
I love how season 4 reminds me of a nightmare on elm street clone but it really does it well. Funny enough my friends were talking about Robert England when all of a sudden, he popped up as victor creel which surprised us like crazy.
It feels kinda weird that in a nightmare on elm street he played a character who stalked people in their dreams and tortured them in their dreams and in S4 he played a character who was tortured in his dreams Oh how the tables turn
The Chernobyl part reminds me of a story written like 2 years ago about the Chernobyl disaster being a cover up for a soviet teleport device. And the MC’s best friend in the story is killed by a monster that came out of that teleport device
I just wanna say, Steve was never that bad of a guy, even in Season 1. He had shitty friends, yes, but he shut them down whenever they were being shitty, and once he saw them for the bullies they were, Steve ditched them. Considering the things he knew in Season 1, his behaviour is always understandable, even if he might have gone too far calling Jonathan and his entire family a bunch of screw ups.
I, personally, really loved the Kali episode. I understood her plight and it really got me invested in the lore of the lab and what could have happened with the other numbers. I also think the journey was so important for El’s development, getting to have agency in where she went and choosing to go back to her family. For a child who had no freedom her whole life and no ability to choose peace or violence. I hope Kali comes back for s5
The other thing that got me about Kali/008 is she (so far as we've been shown or stated in the show) the only one that cast illusions in people's minds. All the other kids are telekinetics. 11 has telepathy and telekinesis like 001.
@@optimisticnihilist3417 Exactly. When 008 is different would imply this. But once they introduce this idea the only other abilities being shown in the kids are telekinesis.
i do believe the duffer brothers said there would be a significant time jump to make the character's appearance more match their age but im not sure how they would do that :/ if anyone has heard different please let me know :)
They would probably have footage made already for the first few episodes and then have a time skip to what they are like now, they already are like 20 so they can pull it off
I think they’re saying the first 2 episodes will follow S4 and the following would have a time jump of a few years (some say the show will go into the 90’s) 😳
Yeah it will be difficult to explain away a few years of inactivity when S4 ended with the gates of hell being opened. And I don't think Eleven would wait that long to fight Vecna if she will probably have to fight him to bring back Max.
I don’t remember where but i read the time gap is to also to let Vecna heal to fight 11. As for how the residents of Hawkins will live through the time gap, Max, and how people will feel about Jason & Eddie’s death goes beyond me.
the best et reference was they were riding on the bikes and instead of making the bikes fly like et, they flip the vans that were chasing them. the show should've just been an anthology. mainly because the title makes way more sense as an anthology
Canonically retconning the chernobyl disaster into upside-down related fuckery is tasteless and it probably won't happen lol. What's more likely I think, is that since a similar large-scale unfathomable disaster has happened within hawkins at the end of S4, the occurance of another disaster on the other side of the world will add more believability and nuance to hawkin's stream of apocalyptic events, as civillians simply chalk it up to 'living in strange times'. Maybe the general public will even start to theorize that something nuclear-related is going on in the town, and was the cause of the earthquake, or the unusual weather seen at the end of S4. It wouldn't be a stretch either, since bombs set off earthquakes all the time, and nuclear winter looks pretty similar to the upside-down's weather.
I saw an interview where the Duffer brothers said season 5 will be set in Hawkins having the original cast coming back together rather than having so many different locations like in the last seasons. They also said no more new characters and that “Max’s coma is incredibly relevant to season 5”.
In my rewatch of the series I actually liked S2E7 a lot more than I did the first time. It’s pretty random considering it’s tone and the characters but it’s a vital part of Els story
Actually, Eight *was* mentioned - by Henry before he became Vecna. "Do you remember, when Eight was still here?" It's possibly a blink-and-you-miss-it moment, but it's there.
Also, I’d like to know if the Duffers were inspired by Metroid Prime 2 when designing the Upside Down. Dark Aether has the same look and feel as the UD/: a dark, decaying mirror world with horrifying monsters who want to take over the light side, ashy particles in the air and a toxic atmosphere.
As soon as season 3 ended, I was amazingly intrigued at the choice of location for hopper's location within Siberia seeing as how Kamchatka is home to the second most intense earthquake in recorded history. I unfortunately forgot which year it happened and expected it to happen on screen, and I feel really kinda dumb for that assumption, but it was actually in the 50s. Which implies that the Russians have known about the Upside down decades before anyone in the United States did, except for, maybe, that one little Creel boy.
Holy cow!!! I have the same theory!!! My Theory: The upside down is stuck on Will's birthday, which indicates that Vecna has the ability to stop time in the upside down. Vecna can also show future events. But if Vecna has the ability to control time, Eleven should have the same ability as well. When the glass coke bottle scene occurred at the end of Vol. 2, the spinning clockwise represented the hands on the clock. Any time Eleven is seen with a Coca Cola can, she's exhibiting the use of her power. Like a normal clock, the hands can turn clockwise or counter-clockwise. We've seen events where characters have gone back in the past, specifically to see Henry Creel's young self in Vol.2. My prediction is that I think Eleven will go back in time using her mind and destroy the grandfather clock that Henry Creel began using when he was a boy. This would prevent future events, the upside down merging with the real world, and all characters killed throughout in the series.
What if Eleven is the one who froze time and Vekna is mostly just pissed about it because she brought his entire world to a stand-still. (He was happy off on his own exploring the new world before she pierced into the in-between again.)
Another iceberg thing about hellfire: the part in which the club is called satanic and such is very logical for the time. DND was shown by politicians as something that could actually make people satanical. The game has gone through a very rough history, even though it's literally just whatever the creator thinks of. This means it's tied to the plot just like the MD experiments
On Chernobyl, Duffer brothers have already said there will be a sizeable time skip so the little to no time skip probably isn't correct. I'd estimate a year or two will be skipped
They've less gone away more made it less obvious for example...El is kas(not Eddie) At the beginning of the season in the dnd game Eddie says vecna is still alive injured his left eye and his hand and everyone is shocked and says "kas killed him" then in EP 9 we see when Henry is wandering the upside down one of his eyes is burned and as good as gone and even with the hive mind you can distinctly see a difference in his hands as if the shadow monster hive mind merge fixed his injured hand. In EP 7 El helps Henry, and is kinda his right hand man or at least vecna wants her to be but El "kills" Henry/vecna/001 we all think kas(El) killed him, them they roll an 11 and it's not enough 11 alone can't kill him they needed all 20 or 22 or how ever many are in the party to rid vecna or at least momentarily stop him
Yeah I interpreted that also that way. Row foreshadowed the ending of S4. El being Kas and that vecna did not entirely die by Kas/Els hands. Rolling 11 meant that she isn't enough too defeat him again or rather finally. The 20 is probably the man power in numbers at the end. Having 4 to 5 in Russia and I counted around 15 people in the US, so that would make sense.
My favourite ET reference is the Flip. Of course, we know El can make things fly, and movies love to imitate the scene where ET makes the kids fly off, but of course, it wouldn't be Stranger Things if they just copied it. No, instead, they made us think they would, just to then make the scene their own.
The Eddie/Kas theory is one I’m very fond of. Though I know in my heart it would cheapen Eddie’s sacrifice, but to have him brought back as a mind controlled ‘puppet’ of Vecna next season (until presumably the power of love and or friendship brings him back) would be something to see
One thing you are wrong about is there is no mention of 8 or flashbacks of 8. There is a scene where 11 and 8 are playing together in the rainbow room in one of her flashbacks, and Henry mentions her in his monologue. Kali is Chekov's Gun. There was no reason for that episode, that character, or the mentions of her if she does not play a role in the finale. Hawkins is going to be national news, and Kali knows that is where she originated.
So I saw a theory that ties back to DnD...in DnD lore Venca is killed by a vampire...bats killed Eddie and he has bats tattooed on him arm...Eddie could become the vampire that kills Vecna
I feel like as soon as vecna is completely destroyed all of the test subjects powers may start to disappear as the main cause of the powers is completely gone
one of the things that upset me is when the audience has to look for answers to questions in the main plot in other media. i love reading books and comics but forcing me to buy them if i need important plot details or the ending is just wrong.
I'm sorry but Steve was NEVER THAT BAD. People are glazing over the fact Nancy is the actual worst???? Them setting the two back up is absolutely destroying the show for me lol HE DESERVES BETTER
Hi, I'm from Brazil and I really like your channel. You made me watch it's always sunny in philadelphia because of your video ranking the episodes of the series and thank you; because it became one of my favorite series. I wanted to ask you if there is any chance of you doing this same style of video ranking the episodes only with Community? P. S: sorry for my english, i'm using google translator
Earlier this week I decided to re-watch from the beginning and I had forgotten just how much of an ass Steve was in the first season since it's so far from the Steve we see in Seasons 3 & 4. I am glad changes were made to his character as Steve & Dustin have become my favourite duo. I hope they stay away from time travel it's just too easy to do it badly and cause a lot of holes in the storyline. If someone were to go back in time and stop 001 from being banished to the upside down so that none of the other things would happen in Hopkins the whole 5 seasons we have watched will have been for nothing because none of it would have happened which would be incredibly annoying. I'm not sure Eleven will end up being the last villain but I do think there's a strong possibility that she will have to die in order for the upside down to either be closed off or cease to exist
I think Eleven will heal the rip between both worlds. It would totally suck if turns bad primarily because she didn’t want anything to do with Henry’s plans for a world they could control. She now has healing powers and I think this isn’t exclusive to Max or the rip Henry created. I think she will directly help all members of the main characters. She’s helped heal Hopper by giving him a second chance with a daughter he lost. She continues to fight evil unselfishly risking her own life. She’s in a sense a cure to the virus that is ripping her loved ones lives apart.
Based on the D&D character Vecna, someone (Eddie, Will, Kali, El) would have to play the role of Vecna's right-hand man and betray him at the last minute. But I don't think the Duffer Brothers will copy that same storyline since it wouldn't be a surprise to fans. But they still might. They basically said they copy the storylines of Star Wars too, and season 4 was their Empire Strikes Back..so season 5 would be their Return of the Jedi (?) Would be an interesting idea to explore in another video
Bikes were a massive deal in the 80s. BMX bikes were huge back then and every kid wanted one or had one. You'll see any 80s movie like Goonies, ET , Rad etc. All featured bikes. BMX bikes were as much of any 80s childhood as He-man, hair spray, Cyndi Lauper and Star Wars action figures.
awesome stuff as usual man! ever thought of doing a lost iceberg? I don't believe anyone else has done it and I would love to see you cover it as well as your take on the series!
Let's keep in mind with the 30 page upside down paper, Steve was supposed to stay an asshole, the series was originally an anthology, etc. There is nothing that says anything in the 30 pages is like a Bible that's set in stone. I'd assume it informs the Duffer's writing, less than that it's any kinda guide. They'll shape things in the upside down around the story and vice versa as needed.
Okay, so what if Eleven decides to sever the connection between Vecna and the Mind Flayer to turn Vecna back into Henry somehow, but in the process she is possessed by the Mind Flayer and becomes Dark Pheonix until she sacrifices herself to save everyone else?
I always thought it was a glaring contradiction that some parts of the government were so threatened by El and other's powers when 2-3 people were murdered, when in reality they are willing to take 1,000 of peoples lives in collateral for much less powerful weapons. Especially season 4 the military trying to kill her on sight and anyone related to it was absurd.
Hounds of Tindalos should be on there. I think that's what the first season was inspired by. Also, I think the shows name come from a story called "Pickman's Model'.
eight had better not show up in the final season. She was a shit character, with a bad actress, bad storyline, bad resolution, just bad everything. The episode itself doesn't even make sense and the writers know it that's why they have barely mentioned it again. Bringing back eight will only ruin whatever episode she is in.
I think it would've been cool to switch up the cast every season but keep the upside down constant. While I love the cast, and it would've been weird it could have been other members of Hawkins. Like the science teacher, etc. Then have everyone slowly come together.
I gave in the other day and finally started watching stranger things for the very first time promising myself in the past I would wait for every season too come out because when I watch a show I wanna watch it all so I blocked out any talk about it for so long and finding out season 5 is dropping in *2 years* I broke and decided it’s time but I am bitter sweet disappointed because I love this show so much and the binge has too be stopped soon cause welp season 5 is awhile away that won’t stop me from re watching 1-4 now for the next *2 years* lol
Lol I just decided today to rewatch all 4 seasons until 5 comes out. There’s a ton of Easter eggs and things to pay attention to anyway so it’ll be good to have more of the story while reviewing old seasons before 2024!
In my honest and completely personal opinion: it should have been an anthology series or at least introduce some way different elements by season two or three. I feel like everything after season one that directly change or retcon things just make the whole show worse. For me this is especially apparent in season four with the "one all along" shit.
"The Nether". I wholeheartedly believe that "Through The Never" (which can be phonetically interchanged in my opinion) would have been more fitting! I love Metallica and Master of Puppets but the lesser known song would have made more sense!
Im be honest i love metal and i habent listed to master of puppets in so fucking long bc i underestimated it but when it came up in the show i was like holy shit
16:13 i thought the duffer brothers confirmed a time skip for season 5 in multiple interviews? iirc they kept saying they needed an explanation for why the actors look so much older than their characters now
During the Pagan Fall, November 6, 1983 was when the album from Metallica, was seen in stores. By Christmas, it was a must have item. The album was called Master of Puppets. Soon after all the horror movies were about Killer Dolls and Puppetmaster.
I have not seen anyone make this connection….. Dustin’s outfit in episode 9 reminds me of Red Dawn the original…… when the kids are kicking the Cubans butt…… that movie scared me
It makes so much sense that it was planned as an anthology. They very clearly didn't have as good of an idea of how to make things work for seasons 2 and 3. It took years for them to develop the ideas needed to make season 4 such a banger.
