@@thataintfalco5136 bruh even that ain't true SUPER MAAAAAN is broken as hell in some versions some can CONTROL PLOT rendering all feats useless and not applicable
@@Quaysxl bruh ain't no way I wish someone told me that before I made that comment now I feel stupid HOWEVER there must be atleast ONE version of superMAAAAN that can beat him if not I yield
Yi Xing Long’s Minus Energy Power Ball being made up of all of his Minus Energy makes it and Gogeta instantly purifying it a direct AP feat (the Ball would scale to the end-result of Yi’s destruction). There’s also Base Goku casually Shaking Hell which would be a quantifiable AP feat but not really impressive for Goku at that point. Goku also destroyed a pocket dimension but it was already collapsing and unquantifiable in size. Really what GT moreso impresses me by is it’s in-verse scaling; like Pan surpassing Lood & SS Goku (vs Lood; even if he was suppressed), Base Goku by the time he fights Bebi can easily be argued to be thousands of times stronger than Z Vegetto & you can legit argue Base Gohan (S17 & SD Arcs) to be comparable to the likes of Majuub/Super Bebi 2. It ain’t DBS ToP Anime ridiculous but still.
BRO you’re hitting on a lot of the topics I’ve wanted DB scalers to touch on but haven’t. Keep up with the Heroes scaling and more obscure forms and rare scaling, I feel like these cool outside sources get nearly no love in the scaling community. Keep killin it bruv🙏
The Heroes scaling in this is false especially for the main continuity the arcade and all he is doing is mixing all different continuities. Fans outside of Japan clearly don't know much about Heroes.
@@GodslayerSeiya you do know all heros media is canon to each other and xenoverse trunks made an appearance in hero. And fusions, fighters and even fucking dokkan is canon in heros right?
@@mauricejohnson2351 fasle typical a fan who doesn't have any actual information sorry buddy that's wrong. I cover Heroes on my channel and translate Japanese, i been following the series since it's debut in 2010 and both Heroes producer and Xenoverse producer confirmed in the SDBH 8th anniversary guide they have no connection and are different continuities. The only thing they use is the backstory lore from DB Online that's it nothing more. I have this on my channel SDBH information guide clearly you lack real information since you don't have any access to the guidebooks. Which is released every year for Hereos anniversarys.
@@mkchable for one mixing continuities that's false and second feats he stated have never happened in the main SDBH continuity which is the arcade. A bit of advice if you want to get real information about Hereos I cover it on my channel and I translate Japanese. I have real facts and information from the guidebooks, Bandai producer Higuchi Wataru and many others.
These are some of the versions and very much highballed versions of the character. On top of that xeno goku isn't outerversal he is high complex multiversal but if you want to highball him you could say outerversal
@@overpoweredbeamsfather3297 bruh ur sperm can solo anime wdym we are not stupid fictional characters or do you believe anime exists in real life if you do that would make sense am talking to an insane person so am not gonna even try have an argument with you
You could argue that since xeno goku went through the events of gt that would mean xeno goku would be the same goku that fused with the dragon balls at the end of gt
God Fusion Goku hits an opponent with the "You ain't real" and negating everything they try to do, purely because he knows they're fiction and he's "real" would be raw
Imagine if Ultra Instincts multiplier was the power level of the user, basically for example: Someone with a power level of 1,000,000 would get boosted 1,000,000x in power by Ultra Instinct. Now Imagine composite Goku with Ultra Instinct.
Sorry to break it to you, but the official multiplier for UI has been released and oh boy, I am disappointed as f*ck. Because it is only 3x, yes 3 f*cking times a person's strongest form. Meaning that if Goku only has Super Saiyan, his UI wouldn't even scale up to Super Saiyan 3.
This video showcases that a character's power is unimportant, it is the length of that series that matters, because eventually every long going series will just have a broken version of their characters.
This was Phenomenal. Also love the fusion reborn song. It fits for a suitable theme fill in for SSJ3 Goku. Still got major love for his original one!!!
I don’t think gt is above Xeno, cc or jp Goku. All of these scale above many layers in existence and scale beyond gt itself which is also within the cosmology that Demigra was gonna destroy
@@ToasterXDyou kinda forgot xeno goku from game,he’s way stronger than CC goku and has insane amount of haxs.Very op. The manga and anime version doesn’t compare to xeno goku,he is basically OP.
I enjoyed your explanations alot and you just earned a new subscriber! Also even if we low ball god fusion Goku as you said it still makes comp Goku so overpowered, kinda get why people say Goku solos now lol
characters from Dc & Marvel versus plus the SCP verse & H.P Lovecraft verse all got characters That Goku can’t touch no matter what version of Goku you choose. He is strong tho but Forsure no where near the strongest.
GT was a pretty good show, it had a few bumps (super 17 arc) but outside of that it was really a good resolution. no "my numbers are higher than yours" in every single fight. there wasnt 5 billion recolor transformations. goku despite being a child was more mature and had clearly grown. super just feels like its afraid to end
I disagree, but still respect your opinion. SSJ4 is cool, but the first arc and most of the Super 17/Shadow Dragon Arc just bored me. + If GT was it’s own standalone show, the ending would not be that good. This is just my opinion, we all have different ones. I still respect yours though.
@@Void23321 I he first arc was actually pretty good, you should rewatch it along with the shadow dragon saga. It’s a lot better than most people remember. Try to go into it without thinking about what the RU-vidrs told you.
Your one of the best up and coming power scalers. Your takes have solid evidence and make tons of sense. Keep it up bro, I can see that 100k plaque comimg up
@@djbabyboi3556db before goku was even ssj was already the most popular manga before one piece. So goku being popular because he is strong is wrong asf
@@zeno_xy9669 they freakin are no way there high outerversal you know who else is high outer akuto sai and Lucifer Morningstar he is not on there level
Lmao yeah xpeople in the comments I could find their comments saying saitama would destroy. At most I see saitama at galaxy lvl but more realistically its multi solar system lvl
Goku can't even wipe 50% of fiction. Majority of ln verses out there stomp every anime and then there's also lots of indie comics and novels that are the same way
@@menmaUCGJRNSTZGw9YzsQMg9-RlyQ Even if you burn the pages there still exists a finite copies of him in other's hands and how can you erase him he is literally in your brain (you can't just forget something that you've know for so much years).
@@slattslattslatt If normal dbs manga goku is 2-B or 2-A. So he does kinda solo 70 % of fiction :/ There is not only one genre in fiction. Like most other shows they don't have feats of anything close to fighting(romance and etc.). Or they are just too low to be even scaled close to Goku. Go research before making statements
@@deadtheories4170 That's no-limit fallacy, even if it did it would count as an single R>F Trascendance, that is if we're conforming to VSBW cross-verse scaling rules, and again it would count as an no-limit fallacy on both sides.
Well, the strongest Goku is Comp Goku. He has all if the powers, abilities, forms, feats, and whatever of every official Goku in official Dragon Ball manga, anime, games, and other stuff. God Fusion Goku is the strongest component of that Comp Goku, though.
This is why I hate powerscaling. People need to learn math, physics, and philosophy, 'cause the whole "dimensional tiering" thing violates the laws of mathematics and falls flat on it's face in so many ways.
Oh hey, someone else recognizes how nonsensical their use of dimensions and physics are. I barely know anything about those myself, but the way it's used in power scaling sounds very, very wrong to me.
What do you think powerscaling is? It's a hobby pursued for personal enjoyment. Fans find satisfaction in rationalizing the power and narrative of their beloved characters through the lens of physics, philosophy, string theory, and other subjects. This precision brings them a sense of grounded comprehension regarding the characters' strength. While some individuals may use this knowledge to assert authority, such behavior is common in geeky communities. There will always be elitists striving to appear superior; it's an unavoidable aspect.
You should ask and talk with other powerscalers with more experience they can teach you about dimensionality, outerversal scaling and mathematical scaling.
That's not what I would say makes him outer it's his relativity to cc Goku and cc Goku absorbed the power of the universe tree which contains infinite dimensions and realities that are each transcendental of each other.
Gt Goku Is Not Only Anime Goku But Also Movie Goku, For All The Examples He Explained + Wrath Of The Dragon Movie, Since Trunks Has The Sword And Goku Knows Dragon Fist
I don't know if Xeno Goku would be high outer verse level. If I remember correctly concepts also have scaling so Xeno Goku could just be a higher dimensional character because of that. And the real world in fiction is also a fictional world so it would also just be a higher dimensional realm. I would say Xeno Goku is atleast 6D.
Now that I think of it, Goku in a way affects the real world in tangible ways, including how he started a real international conflict between Japan and Mexico, and it can be summarized as it's because the viewers truly love him. Gotta consider how many viewers in real life lifted up their hands to give Goku spirit bomb energy across the TV screen. Truly outerversal and conceptual feats.
i wouldnt say xeno goku is high outer or irrelevant speed. demigrah was going to destroy infinite timelines and the db superhero equivalent of the real world. but beating demigrah in base would alone make xeno goku 6D. xeno goku definitely has immeasurable speed since he is faster than ppl like trunks, who can travel through time by just flying there (he wasnt using gadgets). xeno goku ssj4 limit breaker cant destroy time, just negatively affect it by his presence, but eh. my scale: xeno goku is high 6D, hyperversal, and immeasurable speed.
@@symm245 Probability Manipulation wouldn't get his tier higher, it's just hax although good hax but it doesn't upscale him. I myself don't agree with Hyperversal Xeno Goku but I can say he has good hax.
ToasterXD, do think Death Battles Xeno Trunks vs Archie Silver was accurate? Plus it had massive downplay of strength and speed feats, and Xeno Trunks hacks were downplayed hard, and so was the Keysword. But who do you think would win?
@@dsm2417 not really Silver has many resistances and feats that place him above trunks. Silver having chaos energy would make the keysword useless and chaos energy is in an entirely different league than ki
@@godspeedforce9371 no it’s not. Xeno Trunks scales higher than high outerversal beings in his base form and with ssg and the keysword he has conceptual manipulation. Silver has no defenses on that
@@dsm2417 cool So does silver Trunks doesnt scale to xeno trunks or cc goku and only defeated mechikbura, while silver has fought super scourge and enerjak, who are both cofirmed to be stronger than super sonic. Super sonic was able to fight solaris, dark gaia, enerjak, master mogul. Super sonic also overpowered the super genesis wave, which eggman cofirmed to have no limits and Ian cofirmed that it destroyed the chaos force, which dwarves sdbh cosmology. Silver scales above conceptial beings, like solaris, dark gaia and enerjak
I think Jump force Goku could be High hyperverse to low outer verse level and high outer verse level with the marvel scaling, and if fusion Goku actually fused with the audience then he could probably be high outer verse level to boundless maybe, but I am not sure. I don't know if Jump Force Goku is boundless, because the real world in the story is still fictional. But he probably does scale above Tenchi and Madoka verse so he could be High hyperverse level to low outer verse level from what I know. You could scale him above some parts of the marvel cosmology too because of the Deadpool crossover with shonen jump so that could make Jump force Goku high outer verse level.
Naw he scales above a character who took over the yugioh verse which is an omniverse, and has outerversial characters in it. Some people even make a claim one of the monsters is omnipotent. He would be boundless base on this alone
@@itsamebenjamintennyson1230 No but transcending an outerversial verse does. The Villain in Jump force is able to corrupt and merge multiple stories in different continuities. The only people who has powers or authority over things like these are typically authors. Goku beat this dude in base. Hes Outer extreme lowball, and honestly easily boundless Hes
You literly said that Demigra would destroy only the history of DBH not the entire verse with it's concepts. Also the real world being on onother conceptual lair is not true most of the time unless if it's stated that it trancends the verse.
honestly post 100 year GT goku is really fuccin nutty ngl. Infinite wish power, omniscience, omnipresence, godly ascension, even Toei said that whis would be be scared of just ssj4 goku.
You should do Game Sonic next. Due to him beating Jungian Archetypes such as NiGHTS (Tier 0 Beings that encompass the unciousness of all metaphysicality, thoughts and mythologies) making him high outversal to boundless just in base form. Furthermore, every other villain he fights is stronger than the previous one, with Infinite being the strongest Villan he's faced yet. (Each new villain dimensionally and infinitely transcends the last)
@@TruePoseidonIt's not the truth when it's obviously biased, Half the feats he states are massive stretches just to barely support his mess of an "argument"
The one I’d assume is the strongest or one of the strongest is like, the goku that wasn’t even injured like ascended goku that wasn’t even injured slightly by omega shenron at the end, seems like that’s in calculable
@@wasifchowdhury2004 cas can’t just barely sense the readers. He can feel the readers every touch and movement. He can straight up read the comic panel into the overvoid
@@mayonnaise3959 Still, CAS knows he is fiction and can feel all the readers do, but God Fusion Goku IS the readers. Both are breaking the 4th wall with sheer power, it's just that one is doing it on a different level.
If I’m remembering correctly all of the Jump Force cast was at the same level as Goku at the end of the game so that means that we have Boundless Ryo Saeba with his verse soloing Colt Python .357 Magnum
Another thing to add, it was stated that Garlic Jr created the Dead Zone, which is stated to be hyperspace (Space beyond 3D), as well as the fact it was gonna be used to suck up all of heaven. And Garlic Jr and Goku first Fought at aroubd the time of PRE DBZ. We can confidently say Goku in GT is WAY stronger than that too.
No they are not currently In Ultra God Mission Goku can use UIO easily and in the arcade and manga it was shown UIO Goku was easily above LBSS4 Xeno Goku. In the manga during their training for Big Bang Mission in the Demon God Time Chamber SSB Berserk Controllled Vegeta one shotted a phantom version of LBSS4 Xeno Vegeta who is stated to be the same in strength as the originals.
The day Goku AF Pvg (Original) saved fiction and real life from a terrorist attack by Goku AF Pvg (Avatar) that was going to destroy everything was the most absurd feat of Goku AF Pvg (Original). The story begins with Goku AF Pvg (Avatar) going on an attack against fiction and real life. Numerous anime and characters that were going to exist were destroyed before they could come into being. In other words, many characters we were going to meet were destroyed before they even existed, and several anime that abruptly ended did so because of Goku AF Pvg (Avatar). When Goku AF Pvg (Original) sensed the overwhelming presence of a being so powerful that was about to end Dragon Ball, he confronted Goku AF Pvg (Avatar). Upon arriving, many anime we knew had already ended, but Goku AF Pvg (Original) decided to battle against this evil. As they fought, Goku AF Pvg (Original) moved away from fiction to a place that doesn't exist to avoid affecting real life and the entire fiction. And so, Goku AF Pvg (Original) was fiercely fighting against a being that would defeat all the characters of fiction and affect real life. But Goku AF Pvg (Original) didn't give up, and eventually he defeated him. Countless characters, anime, and all of fiction were saved by Goku AF Pvg (Original). There is no one stronger than Goku AF Pvg (Original), and since then, we know who is the strongest of all. After Goku AF Pvg (Avatar) was defeated and many celebrated the defeat of the being that was going to destroy fiction and affect real life, Goku AF Pvg (Original) checked to see if his verse was alright and everything was back to normal. Goku AF Pvg (Original) then happily returned home, glad to have found an opponent so strong that compared to him. If it weren't for Goku AF Pvg (Original), it would have been over.
ok honestly though I feel like you sling around high outer and boundless a tad bit too much considering the sheer scale of difference between each of those also destroying the concept of time isn't baseline high outer, its at most outerversal and depending on the setting can go as low as universal+ saying heros goku is high outer from a feat that can only reach as far as outerversal in a setting where there is already a hyperversal structure backing up the scaling to outerversal which honestly heros doesn't have but we will just give them the outer scaling cause fuck it and if we take the outerscaling we can't really go beyond just good ol' outerversal tier mainly due to the fact that the difference between outerversal and high outerversal isn't a difference of just plain old numbers its a difference of transinfinite separation so getting thousands of billions or trillions of quadrilions or an infinite amount of times stronger is simply not enough to cross that gap, we are talking literal infinite^infinite levels of separation here and same goes for high outer to boundless the actual level of difference is same as the difference between a 11-C character or in other word 1-D character and a outerversal character for each tier beyond regular outerversal. jump force: mate no, crossover scaling is pretty silly and would result in majority of fiction being outerversal to outright boundless in some situations, also the difference between boundless and high outer is more than just perceiving the other as fiction. GT: up to debate although we don't know if goku can wish for things its more an assumption than a flat out fact or feat just a possibility god fusion: fiction to reality fallacy we don't know how the actual "reality" scales to that goku or how it can be properly implemented as there is no concrete ground to stand on with the fiction to reality scale as it is treated differently across many works of fiction like for example the dark tower where the crimson king kills the author, does that mean he can kill actual real life people? no, is he the most powerful being in dark tower since he killed the person who wrote it? also no cause Gon. Honestly using fiction to reality arguments never really amount to anything because at best what you have is a representation of the reality in the fiction which in turn makes said representation fiction itself which turn the argument null and void. ok in conclusion for the scaling heros: we got guys like demigra being able to destroy time across a 2-A structure which would at the very least result in a complex multiversal scaling or low 1-C scaling but you can push it to 1-A even though honestly that is a bit of a stretch jump force: you can either give it a low 1-C scale through perciving heros as fiction which would basically just bump up the dimensional scaling a bit, or to outerversal if you treat it that way, if you want to use the more debatable 1-A scale for heros you can get jump force to 1-A+ because seeing outerversal being and structures as fiction is not enough to get to high 1-A GT: I mean you can go from 3-A to 2-B depending on how you scale it other than that it is not even worth mentioning if I'm honest god fusion: fiction to reality fallacy not really doing anything TL;Dr if we don't down play actual boundless and high outer and don't use fallacies to get him there comp goku is anywhere from low 1-C to 1-A+ which is enough to kill pretty much 99.99% of any anime with like one or two exceptions here and there
The strongest character in all of fiction is my jump force character that I played through the entire game on as level 1 (I didn’t know you could level up)
YEEEEEEEEEESS, FINALLY some one knows how strong gt goku truly is, destroying an infinite dimension with ONE Kamehameha wile in BASE FORM beats gogeta blue and brolys feet easily. But I don't believe gt goku is stronger than xeno or cc heroes goku, sure gt surpassed ssj4 GOGETA at the end but still. Kinda curious on how your going to convince me 🤔
I mean, Gogeta and Broly’s feat is still incredible. Apparently in the light novel of the Broly movie, they broke into a separate dimension and were fighting on top of, crashing into, and destroying other dimensions before breaking reality again to enter their dimension. This is talking about the CG section of the Gogeta vs Broly fight where Gogeta transformed into Blue and Broly transformed into Super Saiyan (Full Power). That’s a VERY impressive feat to do.
I agree that it's impressive, I'm just saying gt goku did a similar feet in the baby saga wile base, I have no doubt that gogeta and broly have busted levels of power
But now we can call out death battle's bull sh#t and mix all versions of goku to fight a mixed version of all super man, and have the most FUN, EPIC, PROPER, AWESOME, BATTLE!!!!! The internet has ever SEEN. Who in the world is crazy enough to do that.
Even if you connect the movies to gt (i dont) the scaling wouldn't surpass a decently scaled super. In GT they only threatened to destroy a universe. Just 1 realm. In the beginning of db super goku and beerus were going to destroy the entire macrocasm. Thats 9 times stronger. And this is to say nothing of how much stronger goku gets throughout super. He is conservatively multiversal. Especially by now.
@@nuclearwaste2062 In GT Goku also gets massively more powerful overtime. In the anime even Kid Buu threatens to one shot the Grand Kai's planet which is a significant portion of heaven, scales to like 1% of the macrocosm. Start of GT Goku already surpasses universal because he matches Uub in base.
Viewing things as fiction doesn't make you Boundless. Becuase if that was the case, characters like Mr Mxyzptlk and Featherine Augustus would be boundless since they also see their comics and series as fiction.
It’s when someone transcends everything, including platonic/true platonic concepts. Omnipotence isn’t viable in fiction, as it’s fabricated by us humans.
That doesn’t make sense, because the viewer would be trapped in the comics or the anime. Naruto’s rasengan can’t affect us, because he’s fiction to us. So this also applies to characters that have the same perception.
@@davonbenson179 obviously they can’t ACTUALLY seep into the real world. It’s the way it’s written, as if they could. An example would be Demigra threatening to merge his history with the real world. We obviously know it isn’t realistically possible, but the implication is that he absolutely could but was stopped. That’s how the “real world” works in fiction.
@@tarisoala9717 nah, a decent would be a few comic book characters, but DB has lasted so long that it might end up being as overpowered as comic book superman, knowing authors
