The Suffering Ties That Bind: The Quintessential Bad Sequel 

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"get out of baltimore alive" easier in the game than in real life

I am really excited for this video! This has made my Friday night!

When you said that the game might have been written by 2 people I got reminded of when you get the bad ending, Blackthorne says something along "Now, I will rule this town!". ...But I tought he already did lol. Like, isnt he at the command of a massive drug empire in the city? I was always confused by that haha

9:50 "Imagine actually being caught up in a Prison Riot, inmates who might already have a reason to kill you are now on the loose and the people who normally keep those psychos in check are currently being *Spit Roasted* " Lmao.

The Creeper has got to go in the horror hall of fame. This game had so much wasted potential; I’d love a horror game based around societal ills of specific cities and their histories tailored to their crimes and myths, like Suffering 1 mixed with Candyman etc. This game couldve really been amazing and they kinda shanked it in the execution. There are so many artful and creative, well done elements and it doesn’t come together in the deeply endearing way The Suffering 1 does.(

I really wish they would remaster/remake this franchise.

45:40 that "weightless" animation you were having trouble describing is actually pretty close to how the animators describe that phenomenon. They usually just call that type of animation "floaty" because there isn't any better way to describe it lol

Hell yeah, another video! The suffering I always felt was pretty underrated, it’s good to see it get more love!

If you beat this game on Impossible you get to see a behind the scenes video where the lead developers talk about how they planned to have a cut character which was meant to be Torque's brother: Skid. But he was eventually removed and replaced with Miles who wears a shirt which says "Skid" on it.

This series deserves another chance

I've actually always like this game more than the first. I love the setting, atmosphere and story of the first. But at the end of the day, TTB was just a better playing game. I think at the time it came out, I just liked the bigger arsenal and increased gore too.

They should have just made the twist an actual possession story. It would explain why he has the limited ability to transform. You could still keep the interesting antagonist The Fight Club rip off just ruined the series.

Out of the two Suffering titles, Ties That Bind will always be my favorite! Awesome to see you covering it as well, regardless of your opinions of it!

Really liked the different rage modes based on your morality in this game

Good on you for turning down 4 Raid Shadow Legends sponsorships. You da real MVP, Jared.

The Creeper is still one of the most disturbing villains in a game.

I always like when horror mixes supernatural and real life terror. I like The Suffering because it reminds me of Candyman, which did a lot of that with its storytelling.

An hour long video from Avalanche Reviews? Oh boy, this is gonna be awesome.

THIS was the game that I watched my friend play in like 1st grade when I was way too young. The scene with the boy drowning in the bathtub of blood will always be etched into my memory.

Hell yeah! I have been waiting for this video to come out, thank God it's on my day off so I can binge the whole thing 😭

I'll NEVER forget playing the first "The Suffering"...

This series are awasome, hope you continue tackling those "obscure" old gens survival, just ps2 is a gold mine for content man

Funny thing is THE SUFFERING 2 is the game I actually played. Never played the first, so I got a neutral start. I enjoyed it and found it legitimately terrifying, until the half way point. The experience was heavily soured by many problems you've mentioned. Particularly the ammo scarcity, extremely spongy enemies, and HEAVY difficulty spike towards the latter half of the game. Hell I remember using ps2 cheat codes to survive some bits.

I cant agree this is a bad game. I loved the first and I enjoyed the sequel.The gameplay was still fun and the story beats didn't really bug me. I will say that I wish they didn't reuse enemies from the first games as representations of certain aspects of street crime. I would've liked that all the creatures were original to this game instead of just some.

I think the story would have improved with simply making “Blackmore” into a spirit. A supernatural being that feeds off of the general malaise and negativity of a given area rather than be a duel personality. If Blackmore was a spirit it makes sense that torque coming to the island set shit off; torque (who experienced lots of hardship and negativity) comes to Carnet Island (a place with its own violent and negative past) both react with each other. In that way they can still have Blackmore and the island still be it’s own unique place. When torque escapes the island, the horrors (slayer, marksman, mainliner, etc.) come with him to set off a reaction in Baltimore as a sort of negative feedback loop. It also explains why killjoy is still around. That way it makes sense that the monsters that were unique to the island made it to Baltimore, granted with some variation due to the cities unique evils. Blackmore can be a spirit that takes over the bodies of people who’s souls are filled with strife, have it show Blackmore look like that to torque but it be different people. With Blackmore being a spirit that feeds off of the negativity it makes sense for him to be involved in drugs because of the bad shit they bring. Such a waste, with one change it could have improved greatly

I enjoyed both games quite a bit. I'd say, narrative wise the first game was more interesting. But the second game was wayy better every other way, imo. Even down to how the monsters and torque himself are..for lack of a better word scaled just makes you appreciate the designs even more. How weapons function. Feels alot less arcady. And made you make use of all the weapons you could find even having to make choices on the fly as to what guns would benefit the situation more. As someone that's actually from Baltimore, it was kinda cool to get a lil love in a video game so i suppose it felt a bit relatable. Your transform has few new bells and whistles. I could go on and on. I just think over all 2 is a better game. I'll give over all concept to the first game though.

Great work as always, always look forward to your videos. Keep up the great content and keep up the awesomeness.

Always a good day when another video from Avalanche Reviews gets uploaded!

I remember playing this on a demo disc back in the day haha cool vid

Yes! An hour long video from Avalanche on my night off? We’ve been blessed boys 🙏🏼

Time to listen to this in the background while exploding heads in fallout.

This game falls short of the first in many ways but I still found it a really enjoyable experience.

I actually liked the sequel, quite a bit. The Creeper was the most depraved mofo I've ever seen in a horror videogame, props to the narrative team for that one.

Idc what anyone says about this game, I absolutely love it. Hard to find and I have them both 💯 The Suffering was legit my favorite game and still is. It's a shame it didn't get the coverage it deserved.

It's upsetting to hear about Jordan's brother. A true tragedy. My brother is my best friend for life, and it's devastating to even think about what I'd have to go through if he passed away. I just selfishly hope to die first.

Now, I'd love to see what you have to say about The Suffering's sci-fi sibling, Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy, which I absolutely loved.

I would love to see The Suffering 1 & 2 remastered. Would be a sight to behold.

Ruffus the cat sounds cute

This game is more of a guilty pleasure when compared to the first. Was always disappointed how convoluted the story got with Torque and his past. Would have loved to see them focus more on the lore of the creatures and perhaps gave a more concrete reason why all these events were taking place in the game. However, it still had solid gameplay and a creepy atmosphere to it. Still hoping one day we get a reboot to this series.

I was worried I'd have f all to watch today and here we have the review I've been waiting for since I watched the Suffereing review on this channel. The sequel was fun too...

I have a possible theory that might make sense of a few things: 1stly, Blackmore may not actually be an alternate personality at all, but some kind of powerful being from the same nightmarish metaphysical realm as the Malefactors, possibly their creator and/or ruler, which would explain how & why Blackmore is able to command the Malefactors to do his bidding, such as sending a horde of them after Ranse Truman or having a group of Slayers attack Torque in Eastern alongside his human henchmen. 2ndly, the reason Blackmore was so hellbent on sowing crime & violence & despair throughout Baltimore before the events of the games was to artificially (speedily spread) create enough trauma, bad feng shui, & negative emotions to transform Baltimore into a genius loci of suffering, & from there quite literally unleash Hell on Earth, with Carnate Island being a naturally (slowly forming) occurring genius loci (living location and/or portal to alternate dimensions) of such darkness. 3rdly, from my personal experiences, such places in real life will almost always require a LIVING human who has gone through dark emotionally traumatic shit of his or her own to use as a kind of stationary host or as a roaming vessel in order to activate said genius loci's power & spawn all kinds of weird metaphysical fuckery in the former, (stationary host) & do the exact same things with the addition of spreading it's power in the latter, (roaming vessel) for that piece of the puzzle, enter our boy Torque. 4thly, by taking over Torque's body, Blackmore will literally be inhabiting/preserving/puppeteering the portal he's worked so long & hard to create, & at long last be able to win his ''game'' with possibly no other strong enough ''players'' to stop him & his Malefactor minions from making Baltimore & possibly the rest of the world their playground. 5thly, I believe that The Creature (Torque's ''Rage Form'') is a metaphysical manifestation of Torque's Jungian Shadow, which in simple terms is the embodiment of one's own dark side & unconscious traits & instinct driven urges. (The Human Id) Just my own personal head-canon, & what I believe would make at least some sense of the overarching story.

The audacity of this man to say the video is already too long, never enough! Great job as always!

Very excited for this video before I go to bed thanks avalanche

I'm in the middle of the video and I just want to point out that I was playing the first game on hard difficulty (the one before the hardest) and that was a completely different experience from what you're describing. I literally almost never had healing items (I had full stack only like 4-5 times in the whole game and most of the time I carried only 1 or 2 heals cause the damage enemies dealt was even bigger than I could heal) and I had to survive sometimes several arenas having less than half hp and dying on each of them a couple of times. Also enemies felt like they had twice as more hp and dealt more damage than in TTB. After the first game I decided to not repeat the same mistake and start TTB on the medium difficulty and oh boy was that much easier and fun, I had troubles only with some fights near the end and amount of healing items after the first game felt really refreshing to me, even though I couldn't carry them with me anymore. I'm not arguing or saying that you're wrong or anything, I think it's just interesting how a simple difficulty setting can make so much of an impact on your experience with a game

I replayed this recently and didn’t remember fighting soldiers at all, all I remembered were the monsters so I was honestly shocked when they showed up.

Seems that they tried to do with Blackmore what Araki did with Diavolo/Doppio in Jojo's Golden wind but in Golden Wind it was explained that Diavolo is paranoid and secretive and used to proxies to give orders so no one knowing who he or his other personality Doppio was made sense.

Bruh. Your videos are worth paying an extra ten bucks for Wi-Fi on a for hour flight. Thanks

Thank you for the plug to Jordan channel. seeing his playthrough of kingdom hearts 3 for his late brother really resonated with me since I have a strong connection to the kingdom hearts games because of my mom that passed away.

I'm pretty sure that, in the first game, the evil history of the island caused the supernatural event that spewed forth Baltimoreans. Carnate wasn't quite evil enough, however, to merit the entire lineup.

My only guess with how they thought these personalities would play into the story is much like the more modern film "split" His own guit over his family causes massive breaks in himself along with what happened in the last game (that's why he sees mr old timey). 🤔 But even still, you'd think man would know he has an alternate king pin dealer persona 😂

Alone in the dark when??? as it is the OG (i was going through my ps1 games and found the booklet for the new nightmare and i was sure you had an video on it) i need alone in the dark in THE AVALANCHEVERSE

Hey man, thanks for giving Jordan a shoutout at the start of this video, I don't think the algorithm would have managed to bring me to him organically Love to see RU-vidrs supporting one another and for personal channels creating passion content not solely for the algorithm Gods A channel-to-channel sponser isn't something I've seen before, but it's definitely a welcome change, although I understand why people do accept brand offers I'm also positive I was already subscribed to your channel as I remember watching all the Dead Space retrospectives, but for some reason I had to subscribe again. This has happened to other RU-vidrs before and is possibly a glitc.

Great work as always, man! I remember hearing aboutt the suffering a long time ago, but I remember it not being positive, so seeing you enjoy the first game threw me off a little. This must have been the one they were talking about.

Great review as always! You've become one of my favourite youtubers ever since I found your channel couple of months back. Do you plan on reviewing Condemned and maybe classic Blood and Blood 2?

i honestly thought you had 10 times more subs. have seen plenty of channels with over 2m subs that doesnt sound as interested in what they are working on as you. think i have been a sub for about a year now but never noticed how underrated you are. def worth 2mil subs at least

Been waiting for this

I’ve been waiting for this one!!!!

Ok, let me go over a bit of what I read off TVTropes. The Malefactors might be her life's work (I also don't know if that's actually explained anywhere, I could probably look some more.) but from what I read she is NOT creating them, them appearing only requires some kind of Catalyst that I don't know if what that is is explained or not (There's a fun entry on the WMG page for that, Which I will mention at the end of this comment, but It ain't that, at least not in the form used as that would require this series to share a setting with fucking Shadow Hearts, which as goofy as that sounds, makes a WEIRD amount of sense.). All it requires is that catalyst and a place with enough history of evil acts by Humans to manifest the Malefactors. Oh, and here's the fun part, according to what I read that in this setting that's every place Humans have been, the only places theoretically safe are places Humans have not inhabited. Like MAYBE outside of Earth. That's why they were able to Manifest in a regular city like Baltimore, Carnates was an especially bad place full of fucked up history even by most Standards, which makes Carnates a particularly potent area (Especially given how small an area it is, the fact It's almost as bad as Baltimore is a true testament to how truly horrible the events on Carnates were.), but this could happen literally anywhere. New York, Tokyo, London (Holy Shit would London be particularly bad.), Dubai, etc. But to circle back no she's not making them, she might have sparked said Catalyst....or she may not have and is merely studying them. We'll probably never know unless the series inexplicably gets revived (Which weirder things have happened, a new Kao the Kangaroo just came out.). Dr. Killjoy was brought back.......because people loved Killjoy, that's the out of game reason. As for why following Torque......well there's heavy implication that Killjoy........might be Torque's Father or Grandfather or at least related to him. He mentions having known Torque's mother. There's a picture of him in his youth that looks alarmingly like Torque. And given said comment about his mother, him following Torque might be because he's aware of this fact, and in his own fucked up way, looking after his kin. The Creeper is kinda interesting in one way. That had to tone him down quite a bit. Not because of the ESRB or people complaining or anything, because the people working on that game were getting INCREDIBLY freaked out by him, some not even wanting to work on the game anymore because of him. It's kinda amazing they made a character so fucked up the people working on the game were too freaked out to work on the damn game because of him, so they had to tone him back. And the fact this is what we got AFTER TONING HIM DOWN is kind of amazing/terrifying. The Creeper and Slave Catcher are definitely not really tied to the story or Torque in any meaningful way unlike the 3 from the first game (Especially in the case of Killjoy if the above is true.) but, and I'm not trying to defend the game here........That in and of itself kinda makes a weird kind of sense. Torque is HEAVILY tied to Carnate as were the Spirits, Torque being a Prisoner also heavily ties to the 3. Each one had a vested interest in him relating to when they were alive (Assuming Killjoy is even dead and didn't somehow put his conscious into the TVs somehow, given he shouldn't have a connection to Baltimore or something equally insane. He did create some machine and was about to Patent it before Disappearing, 'The Rebirth Machine' which might be related to the SCP Wannabes in this game. I genuinely question if Killjoy is even a Ghost.) One was similar to Torque and wanted to save him from his fate as well as get him to release him from his Torment, the other Executed Prisoners and was killing everyone on the Island so.......yeah. Not to mention is obsession with Murderers, hence his specific interest in Torque The 2 new guys on the other hand, well Copperfield is implied to have hunted Torque and Carmen's ancestors, but beyond that I think he would have just gone after anyone that fits his bill, being more tied to the past of Baltimore than anything Else. The Creeper especially is tied to the Area, but there's NO reason Torque should interest him at all on paper. The only reason you fight him on the Evil Path is because he sees Torque as stealing his glory as being top Evil Shithead. It really comes across to me that they are there to highlight Baltimore's evils, not to be connected to Torque at all (The fact Copperfield even has THAT connection to Torque could be seen as a coincidence.). .....But that's purely conjecture on my part. As for the game's ending, now this is PURELY me guessing given all the lore given to the Malefactors and the Foundation and the fact this can happen literally anywhere on Earth, it feels to me like they were planning to do more games. Some perhaps not even following Torque, but that is purely me guessing. Which given that bit of knowledge, this feels like you could EASILY make this work and draw on history of various different places for different monsters, this series is actually perfect as a big franchise given that, it's basically the equivalent of Silent Hill if Silent Hill Manifested the Demons of a Location instead of a Person. Something neat is the Malefactors in Baltimore that also showed up at Carnates are actually different, not just in terms of Designs but also origins. The Slayers......well they are supposed to be death by decapitation, which is baffling because even at Carnates this wasn't a execution that utilized there.........the fact there are so many not just at Carnates but Baltimore is quite puzzling.......the fact they are the most numerous and thus likely the most common cause of death by the Malefactors is.....both puzzling and disturbing (Even if we accounted for accidental knife attacks that decapitated or the like, this would still make Slayers a Rare enemy, not the most numerous.). The Mainliner of Baltimore represents Heroin overdoses rather than Lethal Injection, that is a neat touch. The Burrowers in Baltimore are those who died building the Town's Underground Infrastructure. The New ones have various other interesting origins, one was even for a thing that was done out of desperation instead of Malice (The Gorger).

I got this game for 5 bucks at a pawn shop. I loved it, it had some good replay value.

I only played this one. It was incredible! I love games with heavy horror and gore, or at least I was very into those when I played this onr, and the psychological twist was nice, as where all the villains.

Whoa dude, how come I'm only seeing this now? I love you content. I thought you retired.

I never played this one before but now I'm invested in doing so.

For some reason playing the suffering years ago left my brain looking ag the gameplay brought me back

The thing about action in TTB, is that unlike the first one, in this one you promote the transformation mode. In the first game, it had negative impacts so I played the whole game without it. However, the 2nd game its the other way around. The more you use it, the more powerful you get. While being in human mode its hard with so little ammo for anything you get, in Monster mode you can level up and grew up laser cannons that will pummel everything.

I'm a simple man, I see Avalanche Reviews. I click

I miss the times when games like this were common, no matter how flawed they may be. Nowadays everything has to be a ''cinematic'', AAA quality, 80 hour slogfest in an empty open world. Say what you will about games like The Suffering, Dark Corners of the Earth, Darkwatch etc but they had character... Hopefully Nightdive will give this series the remaster treatment.

That 'sponsor' was a genuinely nice plug for a pal. Kudos

TTB was the one i started with, so naturally i lean towards that one more, hell it was almost 10 years after the fact that i finally got to play the first one

Jared, you absolutemalady, you've gone and done it again, my man.

This franchise deserved much better, I loved both games, even though I couldn't finish Ties that bind because the last boss was impossible for me (can't remember why). Hope someone tries to revive it

And ad that is actually worth watching

This video had no right bring this good! Nicely done dog

Rufus opinions on the game spun my head at first 😂 I didn't expect that "meow"

Giving sponsorship to small content creators is the kind of sponsorship I can get behind, and I don't say that lightly as I despise advertisement in general. Major props for that, it's nice to see.

I really liked this look back at the Suffering. I loved the first game to death but at the same time I was very disappointed in this entry. I liked the combination of the survival horror and action elements to make a great game but the sequel was all action and felt hollow to me. I would love to know what your thoughts on the Deadly Premonition series are. Its hot garbage but for some reason it turned out to be interesting hot garbage.

An hour long review. Jared-san you spoil us.

All I remember from this game is getting through it on a slither of health, and finishing it out of spite. I dreaded coming up against any enemy that had guns

I played both of the suffering games for the first time back to back a while ago, so I just see them both as one pretty good game divided in two parts, since they are so similar overall

i wish they would do a full remake of this (i,e resident evil 2 style, proper remake not just a bullshit hd pack)

"...and the problem with the shitty ones is they get you killed, cause they don't do anything.....cause they're shitty" lmao that earned my like

i’d love an in-depth video like this comparing Salt and Sanctuary to the new “sequel” (spiritual i guess) Salt and Sacrifice… they changed up so many things, many of them not for the better, but it’s still fun

Just rolled a joint . Superb timing Jared 🎉❤

the cops arrresting the guy who beat up a mugger and a random bystander is pretty accurate

Finally! The new avalanche review

(Continued) Now for the WMG from TVTropes, this will purely be for fun. First of them 1. It's set in Another Area affected by Silent Hill. That's pretty much all there is to that one (The rest of it was just suggesting someone make a fanfic on it or something.), although it's worth noting there WAS a Silent Hill Pitch where Silent Hill was actually expanding it's influence to another Town and the Main Character, an Exorcist, was sent there to stop that (Would have been the first and if it got made so far ONLY instance of a Main Character going to Silent Hill on purpose knowing full well what was there.) so this one is weirdly realistic. Problem with it, of course, is the aforementioned aspect of the Malefactors being tied to a location and not a person and just killing people indiscriminately. Not really Silent Hill or it's Cult's style. This I'm gonna copy paste. 2. Torque is the product of Silent Hill's cult attempting to birth a god to bring their paradise to Earth. "Everywhere he goes after he has become full of pain and suffering (something the cult's avatar needs as seen with Alessa) after his wife and kids get murdered, Torque starts causing the Silent Hill's Otherworld to slowly seep through, the holes where the Malefactors emerge are the points of intrusion onto reality and the Otherworld would slowly grow out from there as the Malefactors make everyone suffer more. Torque's transformations are him manifesting his power as the God of the cult; normal people do not believe in him, so they only see a berserker raging through the monsters. Until he confronts his own desire for domination and suffering in the form of Blackmore, Torque had incomplete control of his power." This is one Goofy, but in a way makes some sense. 3. Torque is a Powerful Persona User (Albeit if he is, and this is my take on the theory, he hasn't fully awakened his Persona.). "The Malefactors are servants of some force who fears that Torque will one day ruin whatever plans he has for the real world. The transformations are incomplete Persona uses, where Torque cannot separate himself from his Persona. Blackmore is his Shadow, and by finally defeating him in Ties That Bind, Torque can fully control his Persona power." 4. The Malefactors are being unintentionally summoned by Torque "One possible interpretation is that Torque is a kind of empathic psychic (A Prime, to borrow the Foundation's term) whose powers manifest in the creation of Malefactors wherever he goes. It's possible that characters such as Truman are also afflicted with this condition, judging from how genre-savvy and philosophical he is about them while everyone else is terrified. What's more, this power only manifests when a person who has it crosses the Despair Event Horizon, triggering an initial uprising of Malefactors. Those Malefactors then have a chance of causing more Suffering which in turn has a probability of causing more latent Prime subjects to awaken their powers. Usually the Malefactors (which are inherently self-destructive, like the very misanthropic horror they represent) kill their Prime originator, causing them to cease existing, but in Torque's case, he is such a badass that they can't seem to lay him low, despite the fact that the longer he lives, the stronger and more numerous they become. Of course, Torque has been so distracted by his own personal demons thus far that he hasn't even considered this yet, so a hypothetical third game would have him realize this." (This is the only one that has any chance of being right for obvious reasons.) My Favorite of the Bunch, and the One I alluded to earlier. 5. Torque is really an untrained Harmonixer. "Soaking up Malice through over the course of his remarkably crappy life, someone or something used a young untrained Harmonixer as a conduit for Malice. Everywhere he sets foot pours Malice into the soil, giving life to old sins. The giant holes the Malefactors crawl out of are similar to the "windows" Lady creates in From The New World. Blackmore serves a similar function as Fox Face did in Shadow Hearts, only rather than being the embodiment of a killing curse, he is a sort of "program" left by the one pulling Torque's strings to steer him along the path that benefits this entity's goals. This seems to involve with generating more Malice, as one of the major actions Blackmore does is tear apart Torque's family. Ties That Bind is Torque fighting against the "programming" using the inner strength he developed in the first game (the last boss sequence was him fighting one of the sort of spirits that Harmonixers subdue to change into, this is what allows his psycho form in Ties That Bind to upgrade itself so drastically). A third game would probably involve going to kick the ass of whatever person/thing set all the above in motion." (This makes an ABSURD amount of sense given how the Shadow Hearts Setting works, It will never happen but it'd be amazing if somehow the 2 IP holders greenlit a 3rd game on this Premise. Bonus points if it's a Horror RPG like Shadow Hearts, but that's personal preference.) 6. Malefactor activity is a slow-burn apocalypse. "Malefactor manifestation happens in two locations in the series; Carnate Island and Baltimore. In the second game, there is a government organization called The Foundation that was created specifically for combatting malefactors, meaning that not only where there more incidents similar to Carnate and Baltimore, but there were enough incidents where there were irrefutable proof of their existence, were able to secure enough funding and enough time to create the infrastructure needed for them to properly handle these situations. This means that this could have been going on for decades. If this has been going on for this long, with manifestations of malefactors happening so fast as for Baltimore to go bad as soon as Torque gets off of Carnate, this could mean that not only are malefactors manifesting as an exponential rate, it is only a matter of time before they become public knowledge, with malefactors appearing everywhere. Much like in Ghostbusters, whatever supernatural activity The Foundation were trying to keep under wraps was just a prelude for a title wave of supernatural activity set to drown the human race in monsters and madness." And of course........While watching this, I got one of my Own I thought up, also tied to Silent Hill. The Thing creating these events and creatures is a being of the same kind as Silent Hill, but ISN'T Silent Hill itself. It is either older and far more powerful (And more Malevolent, as solving your inner demons in Silent Hill satisfies the place and it lets you go. This thing just wants to kill.....and Summon Ghosts for some reason.) or perhaps younger and more impertinent. And more Importantly, it can pop up anywhere. It's powers are similar to Silent Hill's, but also differ in other ways, and it has a far different motivation. I bet if the 2 ever interacted, they'd fight each other causing a 3 way battle between them and the Protagonist of such a game, or even more insane, would result in an Enemy Mine between the Protagonist and one of the two, if morality choices are a thing you'd get to pick who, or alternatively if you don't Probably side with Silent Hill as it doesn't seem to want to kill everyone like the other does. Imagine working with Silent Hill in an Enemy Mine scenario, that shit is bananas. Alright, that's pretty much all I got.

4:21 ooooh, Monolithsoft. I'm convinced.

Man I loved this review, I came online to find out if The Suffering 2 was as bad as I remembered it as a kid, and everything I was thinking was explained here. Great video, and if you need any validation at all... I agree with everything you said haha. Thanks bud, keep at it, subbed!

My guess is the monster version of Tourqe is in his head and when Blackthorn takes over which would make sense in my head

Man, I played the first game when it first came out and loved it. I was excited for hell for this...then I picked it up and was heartbroken. It played the same but nothing made sense when compared to the other. Like the whole "Prime" and plotifying Torques transformation was just bad, then the whole identity stuff completely ruining the endings and choices of the first one.

Oh man. It's probably just nostalgia influencing me, but I liked the sequel a lot actually.

You should give a shout out to the “Mason Scale” He’s got a tiny audience yet his stuff is great quality. Also his gig is all horror games, some of which I’d love to see you cover. You should check him out

I really liked suffering 1 and 2 I wish they did remaster or reboot

I thought both games were awesome, the first game was one of the first horror games I ever finished and I'm surprised I was able to because that shit was scary, I loved the ability to switch between first and third person

I remember randomly picking this game up at my local game stop for like 14$ on xbox at the time and i loved every minute of it....then i found out it was a part two..so i played the first one "prison is hell" and i went from loving this game to being sad about ties that bind.

I’m glad to see more likeminded people interesting in the same things I am, from Tennessee. It makes me hopeful to find cool friends here.

Your intro always reminds me of the intro in the vice city, i could not point what about it is similar until now, i searched now the vice city intro and it's the song used in the first seconds when the 'R' logo appears.

I think some small tweaks to the story would connect the two better. For example having a riot occuring when you arrive in Baltimore likely would give enough of a push to have the various enemies come out given Baltimore's past. On your wife forgiving you only to blame you again having her say you're just trying to get yourself killed if you got the good ending and so now you're trying get yourself killed was killing us not enough, as it switches why she'd be angry but still gives a way to work around the bad ending. I think small changes like that are keeping in theme for the past game

That first person view actually looks pretty good.

Torque seemed tortured an trapped in his thoughts not silent