Ill say it right now. Midra is literally NOTHING compared to The Tarnish when they're the frenzied flame. we burn EVERYTHING. He burnt like, my mimic twice before dying.
@@Nostroman_Praetor He actually is a Lord of Frenzy at the moment of his boss fight. He became a failed lord of frenzy along with a lot of other people at his manse after the hornsent sacked it for his relationship with a prophet of the flame of frenzy named Nanaya. My interpretation of the lore is that when they realized that embracing the flame and becoming a Frenzied Lord would mean the destruction of everything they loved, they decided not to. Then when the hornsent sacked the manse, they killed Nanaya. She asked Midra to endure, for the sake of everyone, because if he died and became the frenzied lord everything would burn. So in a sense, he was a failed lord because he simply didn't want to die and become one. The bodies of the other truly failed lords are on pikes out front of the manse. This is also why Midra is so upset when you show up to kill him after all his warnings scattered around the area leading to and inside the manse telling you to leave him alone to suffer.
@@Nostroman_Praetor Not a failed Lord once he ascends. Failed as in failed to become a Lord, because he was strong enough to hold it at bay, even through immense suffering. It does not say ''Midra, Failed Lord of Frenzied Flame''. It says ''Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame''. Because once he lets go, the Frenzied Flame completely takes over. You are not fighting Midra, really. You are fighting the Frenzied Flame through Midra. It's a good thing that it was our Tarnished of all people who entered the Manse. I doubt anyone else save for Radahn & Miquella (and that's a maybe) could've stopped this guy once unleashed. It's just an Outer God you're fighting through his vessel. That's why he's so fucking strong.
@@deepism Human anatomy does not apply here. Every Lord in Elden Ring represents an Outer God and they're blessed with the specific God powers. The reason of the ecstacy of the Lords of Frenzied Flame is because after finally embracing it, they understand the reason behind the Outer God intentions, which is to embrace everything in the universe as one.
@@ThePubg_Player if a lowly tarnished can kill several lethal enemies, demigods, dragons, drakes, etc. to become the Lord of Frenzied Flame (or any other ending), I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Melina could become a weapon of mass destruction with the right motivation.
@@ThePubg_Player I'm biased since Melina is one of my favorite characters (especially how determined she is to kill you with a certain ending). Poetic, in a way. She'd be our savior and demise.
@@Magnosummit If she's the Gloam-Eyed Queen, then she got her butt kicked by Maliketh back before he had Destined Death. So she definitely ain't doing shit to the Tarnished.
Everything burning as our tarnished just watched along with raised hands is plenty cool, given the fact that the next scene shows what we exactly did to the lands between
Too damn bad on Fromsoft's part. Frenzy players didn't get their badass lightbulb head and some exclusive dialogue/secret for already being Lord of Chaos, Death enjoyers didn't get their ghostflame cape worn by death knights but weapons that spews lightning instead. All in all, the DLC doesn't even take in account that we've already beaten the game with a specific ending. Atleast in DS3 DLC, Ashes of Ariandel. Sister Friede aknowledges you as the Lord of Hollows. Wasn't much, but it was cool okay? CURSE YOU MIZAYAKI! - Igon probably.
Little lore dump. Midra was in agony, he accepted the Flame under duress (the duress being the golden spike-sword in his head) and was a physically feeble, weak man, a feudal lord who lost his fight against the Hornsent. When the Flame took purchase within him, he was told by his Frenzied Finger Maiden, Nanaya, to endure the Frenzied Flame. He did so, rejecting it as much as he could. So, when the time came and he could bear the agony no longer, as I said, he yielded to the Flame under duress. We, however, with minimal aid from the Flame, besides Hyetta and Shabriri, killed all of the demigods, most of the remaining ancient dragons, champions and living stars, and, eventually, we killed Marika/Radagon. We embrace the Flame, and the Flame sees us as not only a physically dominant Lord but a Lord who has already toppled the main power hierarchy. Thus, the Flame not only takes purchase within us, but it (in theory) steals your body as well, as Shabriri stole Yura's and the Frenzy Maiden stoll Irina's. Basically, we're Midra writ large.
Yeah this is why I never liked the Frenzy Flame ending. You get your body stolen by the frenzy flame, ceasing to be the tarnished. Just a shell that the outer god of the frenzy flame controlles. Also one of the reasons I know we will never get the headpiece for it (the people disappointed we do not get it from Midra) as that would be a lore inconsistency. The tarnished ceases to exist, this is also shown in the cutscene of the Frenzied Flame ending. Why would we look at OUR hands like they are totally different when they never changed in the cutscene? This is because the host of the body has changed and the new host is admiring the new body that was acquired. This is true for Midra, The Lord of Frenzied Flame as well. He literally kills himself and the Frenzy Flame takes over the body. L ending. After removing all obstacles, we cease to exist, we never burn the world. The flame destroys our consciousness and takes the strong body for itself then burns the world without us.
@@kanatafire4124 but the thing is with this ending is that the tarnished is aware of this, we have willingly gave our body up as kindling to the frenzied flame to burn the world. It is one of the more fleshed out endings compared to the others and in my opinion is the best ending (I have gotten every ending, I'm not being biased)
@@thetruecakehead It's like Ranni's ending for not being a filter change of the throne, but it's not the best ending for the lands between because everything dies. The franzied flame just pretends to care about ending peoples suffering to further manipulate players into making a choice for the "good" of everyone else when it really just wants to watch the world burn, and has for a really long time. Fromsoft already has a "good" ending where you put a dying world out of it's misery in one of their dark souls games.
Would be even more interesting If it made Immune to miquela grabs, as player character being frenzied enough that they see destruction as a twisted form of love, so instead of having heart stolen and game over getting a damage buff as even more determined to reduce miquela to ash.
Not sure it works like that. Miquella’s power and miquella’s needle are two different things. I don’t think Miquella is persuading the scarlet rot out of Malenia’s body, just halting it.
He burned the isolated location where his estate is placed. In the player's case, the crucible is the Erdtree, which is really not the same conditions. Through the Erdtree, Godwyn was also able to spread the curse of those who are living in death to the entire Lands Between.
Honestly, our tarnished were already long gone after that. Our body now being a vessel for the Frenzied Flame to control. But, the difference is that we embraced it, letting the Frenzied Flame fully control us while Midra tried resisting until the very end. Plus, we already absorbed every last demigod souls along with their Great Rune, making us incredibly powerful while Midra is just some frail old man.
Nah, the cutscene that's plain black with a splash sound effect (after being killed by Grafted scion) is. No, not melina, literally just a plain black screen with a splash sound is the coolest
The throns through him reminds me of the Elden Ring in Radagon. And it looks very cruciblel in shape as he relaxes with it in his skull to body . Where there's a gap. Like with other beings.
I love how frenzy flame use one of the most human emotion that make even the strongest weak to prosper: love Vyke, Tarnished and Midra had someone that they care of and because of that they fell for the frenzy flame and it was probably like that for all the past Frenzy flame lords
I don't know if other people have commented on it, but I find it really interesting that the most compelling reason to choose Frenzy, and the reason most people do it at first, is to try and save Melina from sacrificing herself to burn the Erdtree. And the opening dialogue Midra gives implies that he also harbors regrets about a woman he could not save. So it seems to be a recurring theme with Lords of Frenzy to embrace the fire trying to save someone they care about, only to lose them anyway.
I feel like the coolness of the frenzied flame ending is multiplied depending on what armor you're wearing, and the night cavalry or maliketh sets go the hardest, no contest
At first, it was a sense of outrage; the pretender must be put down. Then it becomes clear he isn't actually a pretender. He is stuck with it and maintains no pretense of being able to properly weild it. So it becomes a sense of pity; the afflicted must be put down - just like the rest of these lands between that are doomed to eternal torture.
@@YahoooWahoooAnd plus, we wouldn't have the tarnished as they are fully now being the vessel of Frenzied Flame to control at their will same like what happened to Midra. Despite fully trying to resist the Frenzy Flame, he failed and became a vessel of it.
Some people have mentioned how the Lord of Frenzied Flame looks like ecstasy or relief. I posit a different perspective. The Lord of Frenzied Flame is not the person they once were, but rather they have become a living avatar for the flame of chaos. The rapturous and flowing movements are the Frenzied Flame itself rejoicing in fiinally entering this world.
@@dev4159 He's not a failure once he gives in. He was a failure because he DIDN'T give in. It doesn't say ''Midra, Failed Lord of Frenzied Flame'' at his boss bar, now does it?
Midra is the failed lord of the frenzied flame, because he was determined enough to not accept the yellow flame of Chaos. All because of his promise, he wasn't weak to accept it, until some Tarnished comes and he just had enough
How many Lords have we killed? Two Elden Lords, one Frenzied Flame, one dragon, and one…of compassion? Does Vyke count? Godrick is a storm lord…I guess…
There is no one who stand a chance against you a Tarnished. You are the most brutal and fearsome creature ine the world of elden ring...just look at that chaos after you obtain frenzied flame
@@im2arrogant118 oh i love that theory. The fact that you hear moseleum bell and stomp sounds at the very start of the game is really a nice discovery by tomato chan. If the theory is correct then it just makes more sense as to why our character won't die but keeps on getting back again and again like a non stop killing machine its not because its a game but because you are soulless and you will be revived again and again by the grace. Sadly miyazaki will never confirm this
@babayaga9805 the mausoleum bells is a newish thing. I've believed we're a demigod for almost 2 years now. The bell thing just made me believe it more. But the moment I was really sure was when I figured out Torrent was Marika's and not Miquella's, and lowe and behold, the dlc artwork confirmed that too. Our mother's horse chose us. What a coincidence. Also wincest yey!
I kinda don't like how this is the way they end the frenzied flame story. A big let down that this seemingly chaotic force is just completely shut down in just 1 bossfight The Frenzied Flame should've gotten a whole nother expansion of its own
Không còn là bạn hay midra nữa. Cả 2 chết rồi, chỉ còn thằng đa cấp frenzy flame trong cái xác đó thôi, dĩ nhiên là cái xác của tarnished làm vật dẫn tốt hơn
There 100% should be a transformation item similar to the Dragonstones for Frenzied Flame. Consume it, and your head permanently turns into a ball of Frenzied Flame, giving you a permanent Madness Aura that affects you and everything around you, and greatly increases your Focus (Madness and Sleep resist). This would last until death like the Dragonstones. While active, you cannot equip armor. Your damage resistances are increased from base value without armor, but not by much without Talisman/Tear bonuses. The madness buildup would not scale with anything, but would be constant. Additionally, targets that are afflicted by Madness within range of the effect take twice as much FP loss, including yourself.
His remembrance literally says it, we are what he’s supposed to be, yet cannot be, he is just too weak to carry out his duty as the lord of frenzied flames
Wished we could have gotten the frenzied flame head as a helmet/head piece and it gives a bonus of frenzy immunity, just imagine having a face off of lords of frenzy
Tarnished’s lord of frenzied flame is inherited from the actual frenzied flame, more like the flame took over us. Whereas Midra is evolved from the seed he found during his studies and grow into the flame due to his suffering. All in all, Midra is still Midra after transformation, but we are no longer us.
He isnt, his health bar is "lord of frenzied flame" not "failed lord of frenzied flame", he WAS a falied one but became an actual one through our actions, the difference is the location, we do it in the heart of the erdtree, he have the elden ring (the thing that can alter the rules of the world), besides circumstance, midra is not different than us, and makes sense, after all the lord of frenzied flame is just a host for it.
@@JP-kp6xv the titles aren't always that literal. the ash of war of nanaya's torch reffers to the person the torch is made out of as "lord", even though it also mentions that he failed to become one. that torch also shows us that just cause you get the "sauron eye" head thing doesn't mean you have succeded in becoming the lord of frenzy, as that torch is literally that guy's frenzied head at the end of his spinal colum personally I believe than when midra's rememberance mentions he was too weak to become a lord, it's talking about our fight with him, not some distant event. he atempted to become the lord of frenzy during our fight, but we killed him, and thus he failed to become the lord of frenzy
Greatsword of Judgement: -main weapon of former Lord of Frenzied Flame -doesn't even deal Madness buildup or fire damage -just another holy sword -defining skill is a grab attack that's useless in 99% of PvE
really why would this sword have madness buildup lol, it was used AGAINST Midra that's the whole point of why this sword's AoW impales other players akin to Midra himself it's like asking why Serpent Hunter doesn't have magma/fire damage
In my head canon, Nanaya was evil. She brought the torch to midra from far off distant land. She knew Midra wasnt strong enough to become lord of frenzy so she Snitched on the hornsent inquisition so they'd Torture his entire household succumbing to madness. She told midra to "endure" all the pain and madness so when our tarnished arrives and pushes him to that last little step he needed to take, thats when he trully becomes a lord of frenzied flame, after eternity of pain and suffering. Everyone member of the house is burned or beheaded in front of the house while Nanaya passed away in peace on her chair while cradling the Frenzy torch.
these kids doing the frenzied flame route and leaving cringe comments are the equvilent to people thinking doing the genocide route in undertale makes them edgy and cool
I can't believe Fromsoft didn't add in unique dialogue with Midra if your character was embraced by the three fingers, I'm sorry but that's straight up laziness but then again this is the same studio who cut out an entire and mind you already finished quest line where Kale finds out that his people were sealed away due to the golden orders fear of the flame of frenzy and man it was dope.
