I know it’s been two years but ABOUT DAMN TIME! Seriously though why we got mid players like Vlade Divac make it in but not a blud who won DPOY four times
Young Kippur I think Rasheed Wallace should b Looked at He is a Great player Avg over 15 ,8 Rebounds, over 1.5 Blocks ,Over 1 Steal , A few Assist , Shot around 45 Percent From the Field ,Around 38 Percent From 3 Point Line ,And 78 percent from the FT Line .Also went to another Finals with Celtics 7 Games and Played Very Well With The Blazers B4 The Pistons Avgering almost 20 Points a Game .and almost went to the Finals with them .
The fact that Wallace anchored a defense that was one win away from winning back-to-back titles and had "zero Hall of Famers" should help his case, not hurt it. I don't necessarily love the Rodman comparison, because in Rodman's favor he was a pivotal piece of five title teams and he was the greatest rebounder of all time (as far as rebounding percentages go), but Wallace was obviously a better shot blocker, better at finishing around the rim (which was really important in the Lakers series), and won four DPoY titles to Rodman's two.
"This is a great example of too many people getting caught up in statistical excellence and not thoroughly understanding the whole purpose of why they take the floor on a night to night basis, and that is to win basketball games" I see with the lowest of key shots at the end lmao
Dom2k > Ali’s highlights > Korzemba > Andy Hoops > LOW > Rusty Buckets > BSOLZ > MDJ > Actual NBA analytics All you guys are great tho (except for the NBA analytics) and are the reason why I’m up so late at night and not using the seatgeek app or studying with Eduuson (or whatever it’s called). Y’all are the best but there’s my ranking. Don’t worry BSOLZ you guys are all within a tier of each other
NBA champion (2004) 4× NBA All-Star (2003-2006) 3× All-NBA Second Team (2003, 2004, 2006) 2× All-NBA Third Team (2002, 2005) 4× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2002, 2003, 2005, 2006) 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2002-2006) NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2007) 2× NBA rebounding leader (2002, 2003) NBA blocks leader (2002) get Ben Wallace into the HoF fuck sake
That whole team were great defensively, if they weren't they wouldn't have achieved what they did. Chauncey, Ben, Rip, and ai could make a case for Rasheed for the HOF, don't forget he sacrificed his numbers to make that team better also.
Erik Lerström I mean...David Thompson let drugs straight up kill his career, and he's still in the HOF. Maybe it's the stigma that Big Ben still has from being undrafted, which, though at this point ridiculous considering his monster of a career, is still possible
Skip Bayless are you fucking serious? You dare to talk about those maverick and bring out that series! Smh First of all we got swept! Second Bynum made probably the dirtiest play ever on jj barea. Just move on and forget that series! As a Lakers fan I'm ashamed of you who dare to accuse the maverick even though our team was disgusting in that circumstances .
They let everybody in? Tell that to Sidney Moncrief who is still waiting for his HOF call despite being a 2 time DPOTY and all NBA 5 times in the East at it's most loaded in the 1980's.
No, but they do let some jokes (Bill Bradley, Ralph Sampson), some VERY questionable ones (Jamaal Wilkes, Spencer Haywood). Not everyone, just some undeserving ones.
Larry Brown's Pistons produced the best defense of all-time in 2004 and the best post-2004 rule changes defense in 2005. *2004 Pistons' Shot-Clock Era Playoff Defensive Records* Allowed under 90 points in 18 playoff games (NBA record) Allowed under 85 points in 16 playoff games (NBA record) Allowed under 80 points in 11 playoff games (NBA record) Allowed under 75 points in 6 playoff games (NBA record) Allowed under 70 points in 6 playoff games (NBA record) Allowed 65 or less points in 3 playoff games (NBA record) One of 2 teams (1998 Bulls) to allow under 60 points in a playoff game Allowed under 40% FG in 12 playoff games (NBA record) Allowed under 35% FG in 5 playoff games (Tied-NBA record, 1999 Knicks) Allowed under 30% FG in 2 playoff games (Tied-NBA record, 1999 Knicks) The 2004 Pistons allowed the least PPG in a shot-clock era Playoff run of any length - *80.696 PPG allowed* - slightly lower than the 2000 Heat at 80.700 PPG allowed - Excluding Overtime periods, the 2004 Pistons allowed 78.6 PPG for the Playoffs in regulation compared to 79.9 PPG for the 2000 Heat The 2004 Pistons also have the lowest DRTG in a post-1st Round Playoff run in the 3-point era (1980-present) - *92.0 DRTG* - The 2000 Spurs with an injured Duncan missing the Playoffs had a 91.4 DRTG in a 1st-Round exit against the Suns with an injured Jason Kidd missing all but 1 game The 2005 Pistons allowed the least PPG in a post-2004/05 rule changes Playoff run of any length - *85.6 PPG allowed* 5 teams including the 2005 Pistons have had a sub-100 DRTG in a post-1st Round Playoff run post-2004 rule changes, but all of them aside from the 2005 Pistons had heavily protected defensive stats due to playing against easy Eastern Conference competition. Unlike the 2005 Pistons, the other 4 teams had far worse defensive numbers against the Western Conference compared to the East. 3 of the other 4 teams failed to even achieve a winning record against the Western conference, further confirming how misleading their defensive numbers were due to padding them against easy East teams. *Sub-100 DRTG in Post 1st-Round Playoff Runs (2005-Present, Post-Rule Changes)* 98.3 - 2012 Sixers (13 games) 98.3 - 2013 Knicks (12 games) 99.2 - 2012 Celtics (20 games) 99.5 - 2005 Pistons (25 games) 99.6 - 2007 Nets (12 games) 2005 Pistons 91.0 PPG allowed vs East (35-17 record) 86.8 PPG allowed vs West (19-11 record) 2007 Nets 96.1 PPG allowed vs East (31-21 record) 102.2 PPG allowed vs West (10-20 record) 2012 Sixers 88.8 PPG allowed vs East (28-20 record) 91.1 PPG allowed vs West (7-11 record) 2012 Celtics 88.1 PPG allowed vs East (32-16 record) 92.7 PPG allowed vs West (7-11 record) 2013 Knicks 93.5 PPG allowed vs East (37-15 record) 99.5 PPG allowed vs West (17-13 record) So the 2005 Pistons are the only post-2004 rule changes team to have a non-padded sub-100 DRTG in a post-1st Round Playoff run. The 2004 and 2005 Pistons played 23 and 25 Playoff games, respectively, making their Playoff defensive averages in such a large sample size even more impressive, because they played near the maximum number of 28 games in a Playoff run. More information Video - "Overview of 2004-2006 Pistons Defense" The 2002-2006 Pistons also allowed the least Playoff PPG in 5 consecutive Playoff runs, while playing 10+ games in all of those Playoff runs. The 2008 Cavaliers after adding Ben Wallace also allowed the least PPG and the lowest DRTG of that year's Playoffs, lower even than the Celtics with DPOY Garnett. The 1964-1966 Celtics and 1988-1990 Pistons are the only other teams to allow the least PPG in 3 consecutive Playoffs, and the Celtics only competed amongst 6 Playoff teams so they had far more favorable. circumstances.
They were am awesome defense on 2002 2003 defense then in the middle of the season they added Sheed and the defense became the greatest defense ever. Holding teams to under 70 points. They plaued like a unit.
Alex S I don't need to watch the video cuz I already knew all of this. I'm stating the fact that the Pistons would've had Prince come off the bench and he wouldn't have that much of an impact as he did
I never was so glued to the NBA playoffs as I was in 2004. The competitive level of every team made it so fun to watch. So many teams wanted it at all costs and fans cared not about low scoring, they just loved the down to the wire games and series. I miss them days!
Maaaaannnnn yall dont understand how lit the Pistons were with these 5 guys. The Palace was packed almost every game. The crowd was so hype....man these my childhood memories. Rip detroit pistons
This was the team I fell in love with growing up. I still remember the things that Larry Brown preached: Play Hard, Play Smart, Play Together. This team is an example of how good a team can be if they have the right pieces, everyone knows their roles and accepts them and are well coached. Flip Saunders did a pretty good job when he was at the helm but Larry Brown was still better.
Happy to see you covering this team LOW. I live in Michigan & used to watch this team play live several times a season. They were more dominant than folks give them credit for. They even went 64-18 in '06, topping the whole league. Imo, Billups & both of the Wallaces should get into the HOF.
Just found ur channel and subbed, love ur content been binge watching ur videos , that said u should do more of these "underdog"/misfit overachieving team videos. Its nice to see/relive those moments moments in the NBA when a group of cast offs that nobody saw coming ,rose above the math and criticism and became winners together. With the modern eras emphasis on star players and individual achievements its nice to see content based on the team aspect every once in awhile.
Already knew the video would be good, because this team was really really good. And people need to watch the tape to understand! But then you hit me with the Mason ending, that’s a true legend too!
Skip 2 My Lou nah. 3rd ballot at best. Otherwise he'd already be in. He was solid, but he didnt play long enough to stack up the stats and accolades. His resume is pretty bare outside of those dpoy, blks, and rebounding titles. He should get in, but it's not guarenteed. Shawn marion had a slightly better career and he's not a lock either.
Ki11a TJ NBA champion (2011) 4× NBA All-Star (2003, 2005-2007) 2× All-NBA Third Team (2005, 2006) NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2000) 17700 pts (15.2 ppg) 10,101 (8.7 rpg) 2198 ast 1759 stls And 1233 blks says other wise. Wallace has him in accolades, but marion had superior stats, and played at an elite level for a longer period of time. His overall resume is much more complete than Ben's. Shawn marion is currently rated as having a hof probability 0.7559. Wallace is only at 0.4533. There's a reason for that.
you EARNED my like on this jawn bro. kept it all the way official on this jawn fam. league is negligent in celebratin teams like this one. hard work go a long way. hard work over fame and flashiness. discipline. good look homie i hope you keep bringin em
this is my second-favorite team of all time. loved how they were an amazing team with zero superstars. just a bunch of very good players playing AS A TEAM. it was so awesome watching them play.
When youngters or NBA fans won't understand the value of defense & rebounding abilities over all-star selections and points per game... I'll show them that video. And any video talking about how important Dennis Rodman was to the Chicago Bulls! Sorry to bring his name here.
e_man2262 Of course. There's a reason why he won multiple chips with two different franchises. But, people tend to believe Rodman wasn't great because he wasn't an all-star with Chicago and only brought up Jordan's and Pippen's contributions.
Thank you so much for this video. The 2004 Pistons are my favorite basketball team of all time. They don't get the respect they deserve. That was the happiest basketball moment of my life on June 15, 2004.
Thank you for this video Chauncey Billups and Ben Wallace deserve to be in the Hall of Fame and one day they will eventually get in it just might take a couple of years but they will get in DETROIT BASKETBALLLLLLLLL 😉👍.
You're absolutely right. Despite the fact that I watched the Pistons/Lakers Final and rooted for the Pistons and relished in the victory. I too, forgot how dominant they were. Thanks for the reminder.
Elephants On Stilts Yao Ming did alot for the international game as well, remember it's the Basketball hall of fame not just NBA. Plus Yao definitely had the ststs, just got injured. Big Ben should get in tho.
Bobby Subedi just pointing out inconsistencies i feel like sport is more objective and to deny someone who is objectivly better is horrible for the sport i actually started liking basketball because of yao but for them to not recognize ben is a travesty
This team is the reason I watch and enjoy basketball today. Chauncey and Rip are two of my favorite all time players and I got both of their jerseys because of it.
The 2004 Detroit Pistons were my team back in the day. I grew up watching this team. I remember when they terrorized the Eastern Conference for several years. It was fate that BIllups, Hamilton, Prince, and the Wallaces were all brought together on the same team and it was a privilege to watch this team play the game the right way night in and night out. proved that you didn’t need a superstar to win a championship.
A few thoughts (lifelong Celtics fan): isn’t that the year Derek Fisher made the .4 second heave that eventually beat the Spurs? Prob a different ending if the Spurs (or Suns) made it to the finals that year. The reason the Pistons aren’t remembered as fondly as they prob should be (prob the best starting 5 for that 3-5 year period) is that they tended to struggle against big physical wings. That Lakers team was old outside of Kobe and Kobe is a chucker so when his team is overmatched and you can actually send a consistent double team to him, he’s gonna shoot you out of more games than not. If you can think back 12-14 years ago, this team immediately struggled against a young Lebron when he wasn’t even prime yet. Same against Paul Pierce even when the C’s were winning, like 30 games. Ditto with Tracy McGrady...he just didn’t have any help in that 1st round series. Once Paul Pierce got KG & Ray Allen in 07, the Pistons dynasty of sorts ended immediately. Great NBA dynasties usually age out and aren’t foiled per se. That’s why people see them as the best team as the league was in transition but not necessarily a great team. Even, by 2005, the Pacers likely would have unseated them if not for the suspensions from the Malice In The Palace. Still, a very interesting and important team.
2005 Finals : Best display of defensive basketball ever seen by 2 teams. Each shot counted and the level of pressure was insane (games 5 and 7 in particular)
Vak SpitsFax i know i am off topic, but if ben stayed pistons would have swept the cavs back in 07, and i hate his fans always bring that up like they beaten the 04 Pistons smh
idk if they would have swept the cavs. Ben Wallace kind of fell of after 2005 and while he still was a great defender he was nothing like the beast he was in 2003 or 2004.
Their defense wouldn’t be that much worse, but the value they gain on offense would be huge. Melo would be that 6th man and amazing scorer that the team was lacking.
So we would have: 2011: Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Terry and Tyson Chandler? 2010/2009: Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom? 2000-2002: Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant and Robert Horry? 1994: Hakeem Olajuwon, Kenny Smith and Vernon Maxwell? 1991-1993: Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and Craig Hodges? 1979: Dennis Johnson, Jack Sikma and Gus Williams? 1977: Bill Walton, Maurice Lucas and Lionel Hollins? 1975: Rick Barry, Jamaal Wilkes, and Clifford Ray? 1955: Dolph Schayes, Paul Seymour and a player who never averaged +10 a game? There are plenty of teams that didn't have 3 important players, some like Hakeem's Rockets and Schayes' Nationals only needed 1 star and others like this team and the 2011 Mavericks just needed a team of role players who played it perfectly (excepr Dirk)
Great video!!! Was a hell of a time being a Pistons fan in the mid 2000's! Because they won in 04' with their smothering defense, the nba changed the rules up eliminating the hand check. Low scoring games meant low ratings. That's why we have this 3-point circus the nba is now.....smh
Not drafting melo was the best decision they made because darkko didn't work out which made them get Rasheed wallence who has good d. Melo would of ruined there defense
Oh thank god that thumbnail had me on here about to light your ass up, i appreciate you recognizing mr.big shot should be a HOF. And ben wallace as well that man could play defense all night
i used to havbe that poster in my bedroom growing up with the starting 5 from the 04 championship roster all sporting the big ben fro hahahaha thank you for bringing back good memories
This is the line up that I will remember for my entire life, being my home team. However they showed that being defensively minded will win you a ring. This is what I do in all my sports games for the franchise modes. Defence. A very important although not shined on by most.
This Team was pretty deep that year. Along with Sheed, They had Okur, Hunter and C Williamson as solid role players also. Chemistry and Depth Beat Talent that year.
As a die-hard 'Stons fan who literally watched all but two games from 2002-2006 (when I say literally, I literally mean it!) I think Big Ben is deserving. His play went beyond stats and the Pistons were never the same when he signed with the bulls. He was the anchor defensively, his energy on D was contagious, his big play blocks had the same effect as a thunderous dunk, I could go on and on. (Side note: I always loved how they would feed the ball to Ben in the first quarter on some awful post move to give hi token involvement!) All of that said, his offensive game was nothing but put-backs and he was obviously a huge liability on the line (though his % was worse than Shaq's it wasn't as big a liability as Shaq's since he didn't go to the line as much). You could compare him to an all offensive one-sided player but those who vote who didn't see him play as much would probably still have a bias. Now in Chauncey's case he has advanced metrics on his side. His eFG% or true shooting % were both very high, (near top of the league for a long time) even though his FG% was always around 43%. Made up for it with high 3 pt FG% and extremely high FT% at 90%, which was always top 3 each season (along with Steve Nash) which he could exploit by making it to the rim fairly often. Also regarding Chauncey's stats, they came in a much slower era so should be looked at on a per possession basis, not a per game or per minute basis both of which are skewed toward up tempo teams (especially the per minute). If the electors look at his stats that way he should make it. Also, though trophies and end of season accolades aren't the "be all end all" both Ben and Chauncey have a good amount of both. First, both were essential pieces of a title winning team , a game seven finalist, and several conference finals teams. Both were on multiple All-NBA sqauds, not as first teamers but still, 2nd and 3rd team appearances are still great and important achievements. They were also both All NBA defensive team staples. For individual awards outside all NBA, Chauncey's finals MVP is huge and Ben's multiple DPOY awards are both impressive and important to their chances. Bottom line, if the NBA can put in stat stuffers in the HOF whose games were of little substance there should be room for players with great team and individual accomplishments who were the key contributors on an era- dominant team. Put in Big Ben and Mr. Big Shot!
As a Heat fan I agree wholeheartedly. The Heat has multiple playoff and regular season battles with the Pistons and they were great for sure. Ben and Chauncey should be in the hall no question in my mind
