The Thousand Plane Raid [1969] Adventure War full movie 

Didn't the 8th also eventually fly a 1000 bomber raid? But I thought it wasn't until 1944 or 1945. There's no way they had enough bombers in 1943 to put up 1000 of them.

February 3rd 1945, 306th BG ( 367th,368th,369th,423rd) and most of the other squadrons in England flew a 1,000 plane raid that day. My uncle Porfirio Marquez went down in the Rose of York into the English Channel,his 80th mission on that day 😢

@@Swlabr61 I also thought there was another thousand bomber raid two years later, in 1944, but could not find it on a quick search. The thousand-bomber raids mentioned by Derek Smith all happened in May or June 1942 - the same month that America prevailed in the Battle of Midway in the Pacific.

The British only bombed at night 🌙

No they didn't..... Amien, Copenhagen, Berlin to disrupt Goerings afternoon radio broadcast. My Dad's cousin was killed on a daylight raid on Holland on August 2nd 1940....oh sorry....that was over a year before the Japs upset you at Pearl Harbour 😮 ​@@MangoTroubles-007

12 O'clock High was a movie shown in a leadership class when I was in the Navy in the late 80's/early 90's. The take away was to come in by the book and then ease off because trying to become stricter after being the nice guy is way harder.

"Their"... "a lot"... isn't it? There were fighters, but not all the way to Germany. Only when the P-51 started to escort the bombers.

Same, never seen this one before, and it's actually one of the better ones

@@wyverncoch4430 I agree .

Same here

I think it's a dreadful movie. The acting is cliched

@@david-joeklotz9558 to each his own. It is a product of its time.

They're actors in a movie. This isn't footage of the war.

Goodbye, everybody, I've got to go Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth Mama, ooh (any way the wind blows) I don't wanna die I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all etc.

When the movie was made, the B17 had only recently been decommissioned. There were lots of surplus planes still available.

@sydmccreath4554 You don't mean this movie, do you?

The Master Chief , as in John 117 ?

@@davidrobertson5700 I do not understand...John 117? Can you explain, sir?

@@john1653 He's trolling you, John 117 is a character in the game HALO, ignore the idiot.

@@john1653 you are Master Chief ?

@@davidrobertson5700 that was my rank when I retired, yes. Why do you ask?

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prior to the advent of radar, intercepting in force a bomber stream was problematic, more so in the early-30's with less engine power, and lower rate of climb. This was why the theory of the late 20's (Douhet?) was "the bomber always gets through" and the US Army Air Force didn't have fighters, they had pursuit planes. But technology/warfare progress is not linear, rather different technologies causes tactics and equipment to swing back and forth. from the surface, AA changed radically during the war. The Oerlikon and Bofors were great guns, but radar fire control + proximity fuse were the biggest, and that fit the 5in and then 3in guns. From the air, I think radar fire control made it to the B-29. Otherwise hitting an incoming fighter was not an intuitive matter. There was one B-17 tail? gunner who was exceptional - they should have made him inspector general for tail gunners, even though he was enlisted

Hey knucklehead. Its called "round the clock bombing".

It was the Rolls Royce Engine that made the P-51 great

If it was accurate, this would not be Hollywood.

You're right. God -this film - it's like "U571" only with bombers! It's utter rubbish!

Not the first time Jeff George managed to rile up the Brits. I was in England in 1967 when Rat Patrol came out. The TV show made it look like two American jeeps won the war in North Africa against Rommel, when of course it had been the British 8th Army with tanks. The show got quickly canceled by the British TV network. I heard later that Jeff George got his back seriously injured doing Jeep jumps over sand dunes in the Rat Patrol. Two much better and more accurate films were "The Battle of Britain" with Robert Shaw, Michael Caine, Lawrence Olivier and "12 o'clock high" with Gregory Peck, Hugh Marlowe.

Had not have stared anything Would not have been anything.

Man erntet was man sät

It is tough to feel too much sympathy for a nation that let Hitler off the leash.

Large group of bombs heading for forest or jungle looks like Vietnam footage 1:26

Do you prefer the fake movies of today, with the worst actors ever???

@@lauratran7638 Generally speaking, no. There are still plenty of competent actors, but they're only as good as the quality of the script, screenplay and directing enable them to be. I tend to gravitate towards action-oriented or sci-fi films, and willing to accept mediocre acting as long as the film keeps me entertained, and awake!

Also here in lovely Santa Maria. Did you know Howard Hughes built the airport so he could land one of his planes on a needed stop over on a long distant flight? Check it out

@@galexander8723 Interesting, I wasn't aware of that fact!

Where those buzz jobs by the 17 fake, real and if real how low ? Would never be allowed or even attempted today.

May he RIP!

What group was he in?

If an airman passes the medical checks, and is lucky to retire, he can expect to live a healthy and long life. I am 81, cleaned the snow from my 500 foot steep driveway. No I didn't use a shovel, can still run up my stairs to the second floor.

ALL the 1000 bomber raids were British

What bombers did they use? They had a thousand bombers? Great Britain had some bombers. The US was sending equipment before Pearl Harbor but I thought GB had lost most of their bombers by then. Was r the mosquito a bomber/fiighter? Asking as I don’t know what the situation was in early 42…

@@sydmccreath4554 I was thinking the same thing. If he never spoke of it, then how do YOU know of it?? haha

Since the latter went equipped with 20 and 30mm cannons they could hit B-17s armed with.50 cals meaning that the 17 s had to get up close while the Germans could tear them apart from a distance out of range of.50 cals

Perhaps the Brits should do that.

Not unlike his role in the tv series “rat patrol”

@@stevehesson5968 We did back in 1942.

The book, The 1,000 Plan is superb.

@@joylunn3445 perhaps, make it again. I’d watch it.

That chick was totally not needed in this movie.

Women wouldn’t go to a movie without a love interest, especially on a date. Why would they? So the men wouldn’t go by themselves. Why would they? It’s a drama, not a documentary.

@@garywagner2466 And you're an expert on everything?😂

@@stevewheatley243, clearly brighter than you. But so is my cat.

@@garywagner2466 Or your elevator don't go to the top floor.

my grandfather died on a Lancaster bombing civilians in germany, he dies a horrible death and he knew he was going to die and never see his daughter again, what choice did he have, wimp out and let some one else die??

What is so special about the number 1,000? I guess you can make the rubble dance.

@@francisebbecke2727 The term "thousand-bomber raid" was used to describe three night bombing raids by the Royal Air Force against German cities in summer 1942 during World War II. The term was a propaganda device, whereby Arthur Harris reached the number of bombers by including not only bombers that were currently operational as part of RAF Bomber Command, but also aircrews from Operational Training Units to accumulate a force of 1,000 bombers as a demonstration of the RAF's power.

Hello Lieutenant...glad to have the backing from the officer community. There are people saying, well it was a different time and place back them, but I think the principles of goog leadership stands the test of time, place, army, or ranks involves. What do you think, Sir?

@@john1653 Master Chief, yelling at and/or berating sailors (or anyone, for that matter) MIGHT result in short term results, but almost never results in motivated sailors…other than motivated to not get yelled at, or motivated to get out of the Navy. I have never known an effective leader to be a “screamer”; not one. Sure, we all lose our cool from time to time, but if you’re a true leader, “you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you”, as Rudyard Kipling once said. Thanks for the chat, shipmate.

When I reported to active duty as a 2nd lieutentant, I saluted the AP at the entry gate. He was younger than my Dad. I couldn't wait until I won my wings because I wanted tp earn the respect of all all the enlisted who kept me alive.

true

They got the RAF method of saluting correct at least !!!

@@maconescotland8996 reminds me of when my dad described how he caaptured Hitler and won the war all by himself.

​@@nwofoe2866 LoL 😆

shear hokdum.

"saw", not "seen"

If you mean Laraine Stephens, she was born on July 24th 1941 in Oakland California.

@Brian Curran She sounds British in the movie, and her role was 100% unnecessary.

@Syd McCreath Nope. I'm good.

@@carycoller3140, she doesn’t sound British any more than George does. But she always has the same expression on her face, no matter what (or who) she’s doing. Every film of that era had a romantic interest. Astounded that you didn’t realize that.

The takeoff is the most dangerous. Lose an engine just after V1 on a fully loaded aircraft and it was pretty much good bye.

Thank you for sharing your story with us all. The young people now days need to hear more about these real life stories so they can understand, that what they have, or will have did not come, at no cost, some gave all to our future lives. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS !

It's not the american's want to change history It's Hollywood liberals.

“Twelve O’Clock High” you mean; oh COL. Brandon has a bad imitation of GEN. Savage.

The film is 12 o clock high. As a USAF pilot, most flying films are BS. I can understand some of it, but I flew combat missions in Viet Nam. Nobody talks like they do in real life.

Not only that--the typical bombing altitude was over the no oxy needed, none of them wore them. This may have been intentional but still something of a mystery as to how they flew that high without it.

@@formerparatrooper Yeah, they could have played it like the sound was coming through the throat mic's, (which amazingly, they aren't wearing either). Those boys in the movies must have had some fantastic lungs to be breathing practically nothing at 25,000 feet. I can still remember my dad mercelessly picking apart WWII movies in the theaters like this one in the 1960's involving the USAAF. He actually broke one of our televisions by throwing an unopened beer at the screen in the '80's when one of these came on, and he swore that if he ever met one of the actors, that he was going to punch him out for making a mockery of what he barely survived, (my dad was 6'8" & a waist gunner on B-17's with the 9th AF).

@@SierraThunder Now that I appreciate. Same for paratrooper movies, none of them appear to me to have even had a ride in the aluminum tube with the doors open.

Advanced technology indeed.....😃 One of the attacking aircraft was a Bf 108 Taifun which was a civvi plane for aerobatics and travelling. No armament and a max. speed of 150 knots.......slower than any B-17.

@@klauslass6766 I guess the producers figured that since the Bf-109 was essentially a militarized Taifun, no one would really spot the difference. The truth of it though was that the Fox searched all over the UK & Europe in search of some actual flyable 109's, but of the three that were in flying condition, they weren't capable of doing actual simulated strafing. All three needed extensive work, including engine rebuilds, the airframes needed to be inspected, all control surfaces had deteriorated, etc. So you were talking about $25,000.00 in 1962 dollars, roughly a quarter million in todays money. You also have to factor in the finding of model specific parts, aircraft schematics, wiring & hydraulic diagrams, and finally, the mechanics to do all the work plus the needed time, (factor in about 3 years to restore just ONE Bf-109 to a screen usable aircraft, and that's saying that you have everything you need just to restore ONE of them). By this time you're roughly into $50-60 thousand per aircraft for let's say, perhaps 5-6 minutes of actual total screentime, with God knows how many takes. It would have been far more feasible to cosmetically convert the 2 Taifuns to look like 109's, (the basic airframes are nearly identical to one another. In fact, one of the Taifuns from TLD was used for the airplane theft scene with Donald Pleasance & James Garner in "The Great Escape". Spain did have CASA 109's in 1962, but their Air Force was still flying them, and Switzerland's Air Force were still flying BF-109's as well as Ju-52 transports, Finland, Romania, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, etc. all had German aircraft of varying makes & models, both fighters & bombers, so I'm sure that Zanuck could have approached one of the countries to inquire about renting some of their aircraft for use in TLD, but there's no clear explanattion as to why the Taifun's were used. Personally, I believe that it all boiled down to financing & time. TLD was already WAY over budget, and the production schedule had stretched past the time allocated. The studio, 20th Century Fox was on the verge of bankruptcy, "Cleopatra", a film with an already monstrous budget overrun was just then only going into the editing phase, complete with an insane amount of reshoots ahead of it. Either film was a 'make or break' move for Zanuck & the studio. Fortunately for Zanuck & Fox, "The Longest Day" was a huge hit, ending up with it's receipts for exceeding it's budget. "Cleopatra" did well enough initially to justify itself, and after the oscars & re-releasing both films put Fox firmly back in the black. My apologies for a long, roundabout reply to your comment, but sometimes I like to clarify the original comments that I've made. Cheers Brother!

What taking what was British raid and not Americans taking all the glory again.

Daylight bombing was nuts and very inaccurate, hence they need many raids to do the job. True words about the Mosquito too.

Well said :}

The Americans made much hullabaloo about their vaunted Norden bomb sight when they started strategic bombing in Europe, they could drop a bomb into a pickle barrel from 10,000 feet, unfortunately the sights were very good when bombing from 10,000 feet but in Europe the defences forced the USAAF bombers to drop from around 20,000 and from that altitude the sights accuracy dropped of dramatically, in fact it was found under combat conditions the Norden was no more accurate than the bomb sights used by both Britain and Germany.

@Phil Downawell Except both British and Americans used large 4 engined bombers in big formations to bomb major targets.

I've often thought that using Mosquitoes instead of the heavy four engined bombers would have been a far better use of aircrew and Merlins! But I believe they were building them as fast as they could. Although getting a couple of Ford factories in the USA onto it would probably have made quite a difference.

Even in “Twelve O’clock High” GEN. Savage had in no way suggested or insisted on bombing the ball bearing plant (Schweinfurt I believe).

That really happened as the great Andy Rooney recalled witnessing during the war. Belly gunner could not get out of his gun position. Terrible!

The combat box formation was empleminted for two reasons defensive firepower and bomb concentration on the target.

@@jamesmarchant9665True, pity it did NOT work.

I suppose that explains why in the latter days of the war pow camps were full of american pilots and crew.

Better to send out 100 planes and lose 20 to flack than send out 100 and lose 100 to Messerschmitts.... Thats what would have happened if they never used the combat boxes - close to 100% losses to Messerschmitts.

The box formation might have been bad for flack, but it was the best anti fighter formation. What most people do not know is that they did maneuvers that made it a lot harder for the flack guns to hit. Most people think they flew straight lines, but they knew how long it took the flack shells to reach their altitude. This made them a lot less successful than most people think. This meant the bigger threat was from the fighters, not the flack.

@US 421 Retread 12 O'clock Low, you mean ☝️😒.

@US 421 Retread Agreed 👍

Well stop trying to nick everything else that was British like you do today, would you like if we nicked something like your super bowel and it was played in London? What would you think of that?

That was 1945 and not 1943 in this movie.