The Time Philadelphia Bombed Itself: VICE Podcast 018 

Why did y’all leave out that the police beat women into miscarriage or that a police officer stomped on a baby and murdered the baby

Why does it say "Drop a bomb on an American suburb"....? 50th and Osage Ave is a straight up inner-city urban environment. We heard/saw the bomb from our house.

I have never even heard of this event!

The Government (Whether republican, or democrat) *ALWAYS* react this way to these fringe anti-government groups. West Philly, Ruby Ridge, Waco. they're ALL the same type of tragedies.

Can't believe the mayor actually passed the move to just bomb the homestead

You know I kind of wished that every fifteen or twenty minutes they would break up the pod cast by interviewing eyewitnesses and people that were directly involved and got an idea how the Philly populace viewed this just to break this up just to get a diversification of the opinion in the subject. Just a thought :)

"For those who haven't seen the film..." It's not even in theaters yet, Reihan!!"

I remember that day like it was yesterday...could hear and feel the bomb and see the smoke. As a child it was crazy to see.

wtf?..where can i buy the damn doc..i been searching online for like an half hour!!

wow, I think he begins to touch on something pretty profound in relation to the creative process around 49:28, well put.

So its basically black panthers with angrier people

I grew up in Delaware County; was 16 at the time of the bombing. We could see the smoke from Upper Darby.

I remember this I was only 7 and will never forget Osage avenue.

I live really close to this area and I just learned about a lot of the details. Smh

The media should have freaked out; it was a neighborhood full of families’ homes. It was a really a bad situation for everyone.

Nice discussion.

I'm doing a case study for a forensic anthropology course, and it is so interesting.

I remember this and being scared out of my mind. I was living in Philadelphia and I was 8 or 9. I had horrible nightmares from all of this.

ppl are mad bc this is a long thoughtful conversation with a filmmaker and not WE CAMPED OUT (AND SNORTED HEROIN!) WITH CHILD SOLDIERS IN THE JUNGLE YARGH

There no audio!

I don't like how in the film the white policeman who helped the young boy is positioned as a "hero." The event should never have happened. Straight up murder.

What was that? May 3 1985? I was at my grandmother's till 9 or 10 or 11. My mom was drunk and trying to get my grandma to eat and take her pills. I was nine year old boy watching this unfold live on the air... all night long. This was 1985! I remember hearing "fire proof bomb" or something; they had some new bomb... basically a noninscindeary device or whatever... Mayor Rizzo was a story in of itself... a legend. You really can't blame or point fingers unless you were to point a lot of fingers.

Altho the subject matter is extreme, it definitely reflects of the national theme, socially and politically Today...I appreciate this discussion.And it surprises me that these seemingly rudementary tactics are still So delicately addressed and dismissed now. Its a shame. Also So people from the era of the documentarys time frame are dying off or dead...Seems as tho we loose alot with them...IDK.I would like to see this documentary and more works from him. VICE post those Son! Salams cool 2 Peace

Go to zeitgeist films. You have to see it at a festival... MAYBE you can buy it through them?

I remember this and that no good Mayor that authorized this. It got nation wide attention in the activist community. Black radio talked about it also and that where I heard most about this. I do know that the members that survived sued the city and won.

It wasn't a suburb, it's in the inner city

Maybe interview someone who was in big boy pants when it happened.

Excuse me. Who is Dorner??

Why is the host deconstructing and being hypercritical of the organization idiosyncratic methodology and manipulation of image and reality? People were bombed and allowed to burn. There is no justification that can be found because of their recalcetrence or political actions.

I like the idea that Goode survived as a politician because if he had been more strident he would have been whacked. Survival of the meekest.

Move was very radical, that terrorized not only the police department but the citizens of the city. They had tunnels under the city that was very militarized. Death is very sad regardless if your a child, man, and or woman I wish it was handled differently.

Ohh it's 50.. not 5minutes. I better "save for later"

So you hate two adults having an adult conversation?

Did people vote down the video because they don't know what the philadelphia bombings are?

How many people died from the bomb? 12??

this sucks thy should take 2 seconds write in title and description instead of long lame description that is actually spam

Yes, really.

Free Mumia

And Dorner more recently.

28:30 - sounds like Waco

At that time Jesse Jackson was the "face" for the black community in the area i believe. It's not that they think that they are stupid, I wasn't alive at the time and I havn't done a lot of research on Jesse Jackson or the MOVE incident but that's what it seems like they mean by mentioning Jesse being there for the "national black leadership".

Wtf are they talking about

Blazzay...whose Dorner

i like a 6 year old now could find out... if they did not know what it the " event" was . knowing they have the power on the NET ! BRO ... haha

I lived outside of Philly at the time and remember the area and news freakin out.

Philly has become a basket case. Wilson Goode was a bad joke, John Street a thuggier version, and Nutter is an incompetent.

Ok attempt 2 works fuginn YT glitch

dont understand how this dude is defending the police

Man, I ended up here by reading the boomer bible. Not from Philly. Does anyone that was there know about how this spawned an amazing testament to our times? I don't condone the action against MOVE, but we all know cops gonna cop.

wait was 0:55 a joke or not, like wtf

s the National Black 08:06 leadership people like Jesse Jackson 08:08 Jesse Jackson came to Philadelphia the 08:09 next day but he didn't come to support 08:12 the neighbors he came to stand in 08:13 solidarity with Wilson good the mayor 08:15 who gave the command to let the fire

His arm hairs need to be braided!

wow

The way he looked at him when he same Philly is a segregated city 😂😂 were the exact opposite of that 😂

Way to damn long couldn't get last the first 2min

Jew liberals. Na just kiddin. Im a french liberal.

Everyone has leadership. Everyone has people thinking for them. Are you racist enough to think that whatever group you belong to is special enough to think for themselves when everyone else in the world has their views spoon fed to them? There are smart and independent thinkers in every group of people, but normal people are sheep. Do you think that people would even know the name Trayvon Martin if there wasn't a person with an agenda behind the whole thing?

I lived right outside of Philadelphia, having just moved there from New York a few months before, and I was only three years older than the film maker. I remember it extremely well, as I was in High School at the time. The only people I really had sympathy for were the other people who lost their homes, and the children of these insane fanatics. They were a terrorist group in the exact same way that Neo Nazis are a terrorist group. I regard Move and them in the exact same light.

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Atrocities upon atrocities committed against Afrikans in amerikkka.

Then unsubscribe, my friend.

this is some fcked up sht.

This can't be compared to Ruby Ridge, you need to get your facts straight. If they would have complied with the warrant and came out with their hands up,nobody would be dead. They ain't nobody special, they have to follow the laws of the land like anybody else. If you talked to the neighbors on that block who lived thru hell with these animals they would have told you they wanted the problem solved by any means neccessary. There's video of the one neighbor who was beaten by Move saying that directly to the news. And other videos of neighbors who have hell stories about them.

holy shit only one view so far

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"an American suburb"? Has the description author ever been to West Philly before? Calling that place a suburb is like calling cancer "a skin tag". It's a fuckin hell-hole. I'm not gonna pretend like everything wrong with that community is caused by the residents, because the city government does its fair share to make sure everyone stays nice and poor out there, but my God, enough already with the delicate language. I think burning those people to death was a massive mistake, but so was adopting bizarre, unorthodox ideologies and then shouting at your neighbors about them all day, until they've had enough and are left with no choice but to put a call to the big state to just end the bullshit already. Another massive mistake was squatting on property and not paying any of your damn bills. I mean look, I get it: central governments exist only to siphon life out of you and that is ethically wrong, but you gotta know when you're playing with fire (in this case, literally) when you start trying to provoke a dangerously powerful entity like the government into accepting your challenge of their deeply-embedded system that they've spent decades sowing the seeds to. And let me just say for the record: did anybody ever bother to call out the members of MOVE for clear child-endangerment? Their kids got killed while they tried to prove a political point that would've never come to fruition anyway. Philly blacks wouldn't last 25 seconds moving back to "their roots" in some gross, humid revolving-wheel-of-death that is a Congo jungle. They all love Wawa and Blu-Rays too much to live in such a shithole, and who could fuckin blame them?

The neighbors complained and at their wits end. The city had to act. The police were put into a position they couldnt back down from. Move could of surrendered at anytime. End of story. They got what they deserved. Period. People dont like it? Have a group like Move move into a house on your block. Let me know how you feel afterwards.

Crap!

letthefireburn . com

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Move was yelling profanities over loudspeakers, spreading racism, and lived with rats. It wasn't Back To Eden by any stretch....

These people were attacking neighbors, lived in piss and shit and rats. They were a danger to the neighborhood.

This host is horrible he speaks with this unnecessarily complicated vocabulary who the hell would listen to this and enjoy it? We get it you're intelligent but this is, to use a term he would, just odious

Man I love when ppl think they know what they are talking about..Philly Suburb? It was in the Heart of the city West Philly. It was a ghetto their own neighbors were reporting them they had enough of their crap. The lived like animals and have a ton of Illegal guns that they would shoot at the Police and firemen whenever they wanted to. Our first Black Mayor dropped the orders for the Bombs to be set off. I grew up near there. I rememeber a thing or two about this day

Thumbs down! I love Vice videos but this is ridiculous! Why did Rizzo go down to the scene? Because he created the terror. How is this guy making a film about this event when he doesn'treally seem to understand the situation? And Yes, that cop was shot by friendly fire! There is proof regarding this! I love how there isnnommention of the 3 week old baby that was pushed out of its mother's arm and had its head smashed into the pavement by a police officer that stepped on its head and killed them. I'm 2 minutes into the video and I am already over it! For those that are interested in the facts of Move Africa and the Burning that took place, you can watch it on RU-vid, it's called MOVE: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-34mKTAm7klk.html

Black leadership didn't get involved because it would be insulting to the black community for a leader to support a group like Move. Move was a cult. I'm actually upset we are talking abou this group that should have stayed in the past. It's terrible what happened. But people did not embrace MOVE at all after they shot the cop