I working on something that isn't consecration but its mainly just spending people so you don't die lol because i damage reduction seems to get lower while others get higher with each update
it was fun for the first couple of days or so and then i saw there wasn't that much build variety on titan and then i saw the exotic mark perks and then i saw the exotic bond perks and then i saw the exotic cloak perks and then i saw the raid clear numbers and then i saw warlocks had 3x the build variety and then i saw hunters doing everything titans could and then i saw myself not using titan until it's atleast slightly worse than warlock still gonna try to do the raid on my titan though
Its because they don't play Titan. Any main knows that thats just a movement ability. If you want the super, then you gotta be wasting your exotic on it.
@@Orthienfrl what a dogshit mechanic. You have to swap exotic to gain a « decent » super. I also hate that cuirass doesn’t have any neutral game advantages unlike celestial that gives you extra super energy with precision kills.
@@PocketTuna I can see the vision. It's like "Cool! I'm finally invisible now! .....Well guess I'll have to use my Consecration and get out of my invisibility now!"
Don't forget how Bungie was so resistant to giving a buff to titans that they were willing to design several entirely new exotics and 2 subclass trees rather than buff them, and when they did, it wasn't until year 3 years into the game. There is an insane bias against them on bungie's part.
(PVE)Prismatic titan is like going to a black Friday event late. You come out with 1-2 cool things while everyone else took the good shit for themselves
Learn to play... Prismatic titan has the best survival builds and the best exotic class item combo fir damage, if u don't know how to use this pg just change, but stop saying that one character is useless just bc u don't know how it works. It is not for new light sorry, u need to play and learn the basics
@@bungodccxx955 What does the Titan class do better than the other classes? You know Bungie themselevs just came out yesterday and said they are re evaluating Titans themselevs right? Do they not know how to play their own game either? lol
@@PocketTunathey did? 😂 thank god bc I've always been a Titan since D1 and man the grenades choices for Prismatic are horrendous and to get buff effects like woven mail or something are difficult especially for PvP. On a similar note, the aspect Unbreakable is dope but wish it didn't come at the cost of using your grenade energy especially if it doesn't kill. How are you gonna crowd control without a grenade man? Would've rather had it be my barrier energy tbh. Hope they make changes that'll have em on par with the other two classes bc yeah it hurts to see only 3 titans out of 280 players finish Salv Edge.
Nice so uh why dont you stand in the middle of an ogre and see how long he lasts? I guarantee that Hunters and Warlocks will out last a Titan that only has overshield with no sustain. At least with Hunters we can disengage and Warlock outright heal over damage. Titans just get to be a glow target that can sustain.
What makes our situation worse is that the two best exotics for titans(those being Synthoceps and HOIL) are essentially now available for the other two classes via the exotic class item. We have been begging Bungie to please buff or rework the other titan exotics but they just never do.
It says a lot about Titan exotic choices that after 3 or 4 nerfs each and a buff or two for our other options, Synthos and HOIL are still the most used exotics. Our other options are such garbage that we won't stop using these until you just flat remove their perks.
As a titan main I know deep down that if bungie removed the class, the largest impact it would have on them game would be the removal of peacekeepers in crucible.
I remember when they were revealing one of the darkness subclasses and they were explaining what each super does. They start with the warlock and are going into detail with sound effects. they get to the titan and tell us there is a light melee and a heavy melee, swap to explaining the hunter and go into detail with sound effects. They have never hidden how little they play titan.
What's so bizarre is that Titan is a more visceral class than either of them. And that's why people complain they're either broken or not. You either feel like you put someone 6ft under or you feel like you hit them with a wet napkin.
2:56 perfect demonstration on how utterly useless thunder crash is lmao, can't even kill a stunned champion with a NINE AND A HALF MINUTE COOLDOWN and you have to throw yourself at them.
Did you also see 2 melee whiffs within a 10 second span... God idk why they keep pigeonholing a single class around a mechanic they can't even make reliable. The amount of times I've died on a solo dungeon run all because I missed a melee is too painful to even go back through in my head.
@@gibster9624 they said they fixed frenzied blade during your super so that it doesn't whiff and send you backwards randomly if things are too close, but the normal version still does it literally all the time lmao 🤣
Titans are meant to be the tanks, the problem is the game is not built for defense. Why worry about survivability if you can clear the room before it's an issue? Or anything that would merit extra defense is almost always a one hit KO anyway. Another part is everything has to be balanced for PvP: Juggernaut got tied to barricade to keep it from trampling crucible, Shoulder charges drain melee energy when used to keep players from going too fast(but icarus dash is still free), knockout gets it's uptime cut, woven mail gets its potency cut, the stasis melee makes you drop like a stone because again it made us too nimble, barricade in general got a health nerf but is more severe with the bastion aspect, and the absolute maiming of throwing hammer. Anything that can give a subclass flavor gets pummeled down.
Undo all the nerfs honestly and buff shit. I miss playing my titan but I really don't know what would be too interesting about it vs my Warlock or Hunter.
@@redwolfmedia2281as a hunter main, I actually want them undo some nerfs and reworks(I secretly want the old mobius quiver back) let all the classes be broken!
Honestly, I'd say the Stasis super not making you as fast anymore is a good thing, since it mostly requires you being on the ground, and spending too much time in the air can lower how much damage you do throughout the duration of the super.
Somebody on the dev team spent waaaaay too much time on the internet if they thought the melee titan memes were actually what we wanted. Titans have like little to no neutral game on prismatic. Titans *do* have ability neutral game on sol invictus, bastion, touch of thunder, banner of war. But Bungie said "no. go unga bunga, durr hurr." This has been a problem creeping up for years and I'm glad the raid report made them turn their head or the least.
Hunters stole the titan gimmick, dealing a million damage with infinite melees. Meanwhile, titans can deal like 300k with consecration while limited to 3 charges of frenzied blade.
Not to mention the frenzy blade cooldown is abysmal unless you are ascendant. I don’t want to use Monte Carlo in every build a make just to have the one thing I can actually use
You mean arc hunter arguably the worst arc class for pve with combination blow.. the monk class in every RPG game. Like brother you know there are better more viable options then consecration right
As a titan main I always knew we were being forgotten but I still lived in copium bliss but now after looking at all the titan exotics compared to the other classes we don’t got JACK SQUAT, we got buff damage of melee or super, add extra ability charge or spam orbs that’s it
As a Titan since D1, yeah we get nerfs and hate. End of the day, our drip is peak and we just keep it rolling. Exodus chest poece feels like a exotic for titans of a diff timeline.
my favorite part about the showcase is how she says "you can destroy everything around you" while fucking dying and using "the cool blades of strand" to get away from enemies lol
In Lore Titans are about building thing yet we have no engineer builds and a class ability so useless a movement ability is more heavily favored. I said it last year with Strand. Why weren't we given a super where we throw out turrets? Complained for years about the class lacking range options, support, builds, having too many bad exotics while having the only good exotics constantly getting nerfed. You're a class that is forced to play aggressive but don't have enough utility to support the play style and have to deal with the longest cooldowns of any class because we lack synergy. The only thing I have had going for me has been PCCB and thunderclap being able to mop up entire rooms but the lack of healing options means any CC can completely destroy momentum and get me killed.
I’m switching to a Warlock built I’m tired of the bullshit titan builds they give us. Titans are at the biggest disadvantage in PvP and PvE. It’s pointless at this point
Not to mention 90% of the titans exotics are irrelevant in terms of usability, and the ones that were actually (looking at you HOIL, rip sweet prince) got nerfed into the ground.
I’ve always thought that Titans should have like, massive guns. Kind of like cabal colossi. And I know we have power weapons for that, but with the construct-type powers of strand and stasis, I’m surprised we never got a Titan super or ability themed around creating a cannon or minigun of some kind and making it rain lead (or I suppose stasis/strand matter)
Wasn’t the concept art for Strand Titan a big flamethrower for the super? As a Hunter, I say that would’ve been better than lime-flavored Fists of Havoc.
As a Titan main, I 100% agree with all of this! Titans have become an absolute joke in this game and if you bring them in raids or any sort of end game content, you’re basically throwing at this point with how butchered they are. Whenever I bring up titans need any help or they’re trash (which I hate doing), all the people in my clan, who are mostly hunter mains, say “bUt YoU HaVe BaNNer of WaR! Or SOlaR suBClaSs!” Yeah. Two things out of our entire class that allows us to even remotely be able to be the archetype bungie has forced us to be. The main reason solar and strand is good is because it lets us be up close and be able to SURVIVE. Don’t even get me started on Prismatic! It’s an absolute joke. We can spam consecration, woohoo! Good luck trying to do that in GMs or endgame content and living! Also our only viable combination to live is consecration with knockout. If you use anything besides those two, all your survivability is basically gone. And they mostly don’t even synergize with each other. Also notice how the vast majority of our build videos are in SOLO content. Because as soon as we’re thrown into a team activity, our builds basically fall apart and become useless due to the fact the enemy we have to melee to get ANYTHING going, is long since dead from other class abilities or guns. Yeah we have niche decent setups but in SOLO content only. In team content, our only purpose is add clear. If a boss is mobile or far away or can fly, more than half of our supers/abilities are useless. We have been heavily outclassed by the other two classes and with hunters I agree with being 75% of the player population, it’s a no brainer. If titans didn’t have Ursa Furiosa for sentinel shield, we’d have ZERO use against the witness boss fight in the new raid. That fight is a hunters fever dream and a titans worst nightmare. A boss they can’t do a thing against because our only ranged supers are laughable or mid at best against him. Want to thundercrash him with curaiss (which does less damage combined than the new void super which is hilarious) and hope you don’t just whiff right past him and live? Good luck! Or want to consecrate slam him 3 times? Have fun trying and dying! Hunters have celestial nighthawk and a brand new exotic weapon that works perfectly with it essentially giving them multiple golden guns to use whenever they want. Of course hunters were and are the most dominant class that completed the raid. GIANT far away crit spot titans can’t do anything against versus free high powered golden gun shots that do MASSIVE damage? Hmm. Wonder which one wins? Hunters have long since been the better melee class than the entire class that’s SUPPOSED to be the melee class. They basically said screw titans and gave everything to Hunters. Synthoceps was our one unfortunate saving grace with the class and they just gave it to all 3. The one thing titans had going for them. I’m thankful Bungie FINALLY admitted and confirmed that they are looking at titans and their prismatic intensely. Because we need help. Desperately. When we have 42 exotics (not including the new class item, which is also a major joke) only 3-4 see the light of day. And it’s the same ones we’ve been using for the past 3-4 years. Synthoceps is still our only used exotic basically despite how many nerfs it keeps getting because all the other ones aren’t viable or usable basically. They could delete like 90% of our exotics from the game and most titans I’m sure would be like, “wait those existed?” Please Bungie, give us anything. We need an identity back!
@@PocketTuna I honestly didn’t either given how they’ve been gutting us hard every time we find something fun. Yet hunters can do what we get nerfed 10x better and it’s perfectly fine on them and balanced. Most times us pve players get slaughtered with changes because of crucible. Why should we have to suffer because of that horrible game mode? I just hope it’s some meaningful changes, not just “uh…normal melee gets 1% extra damage. Have fun.”
@@embelished_meister500 I think even that’s being generous! Haha. Some buffs for other things took years to come into effect. Bungie probably: “We hear all the feedback about titans and will hereby give buffs to Hunters while removing all usability on titans. They can no longer melee. In fact, we are going to remove them from the game because Hunters are the dominant and superior class. Use them instead”.
My friends were dumb-founded when I told them that prismatic titan doesn't get grapple grenade. I was disappointed, but they were utterly fuming in my defense. They were mad FOR ME, and they've never even played titan.
The sad part is that pre surge removal, stormtrance does more total damage than every base Titan super minus glacial quake Stormtrance. Let that sink in.
I don't want to be that guy but roaming supers do by and large far more damage than one and done supers. Dawnblade out damages every instant super warlocks have as well, that's kind of the point even if you should probably never use roaming supers in pve unless it's the only option. It should not come as a surprise that a super that deals more total damage over a considerable period of time for the very class it's in, also does so for other classes.
The problem with Titan is that it’s so one note that the only time Titan has a reason to exist is when it’s busted. The grenade build when arc 3.0 came out with Hoil. Banner of war when it was first introduced. Etc etc but it doesn’t matter now because that’s all been nerfed. People always point to falling star as being the busted thing for Titan damage but that hit power crept so long ago. Point is when titans aren’t game breakingly strong they don’t have a reason to exist because they don’t bring anything else to the table besides being tanky, which doesn’t hold up in gm’s, and their main support is void over shields. Of which, for anyone who’s ever played rainbow six siege are the equivalent to Blackbeard’s gun shields in his flimsy they are
The one thing people don't talk about is how Frenzied Blade has a 40 second increase on Pris Titan moving from like 1:50 on Strand Titan to 2:42 on Pris Titan which is really dumb (Base Cool down)
You also don’t have any effective way to get those melee charges back like with banner of war. The best you can do is build transcendence just so you can have an actual useable melee.
You know the funniest part, that that kind of nerf would be perfect to avoid the grapple exploitation in almost every sense, but they will find a way to nerf it only for titans and leave it free of use and nerf for hunters, I am waiting bungie don’t do this shit to us again
I agree, it pains me because Im a main titan since the beggining of D2 and that "punch" identity sucks in end game content. Titan should be a tank or off tank (in pve) and they have some aspects that mixed could have made prismatic better. Changing diamond lance to tectonic harvest would have been better for frost armor and heal with any stasis shard and gaining melee ability on the process or adding offensive bulwark to add a refreshable overshield + granade energy + melee damage OR, if they want us to be full melee, adding into the fray for woven mail and melee regeneration. Titan has pretty and powerful aspects but they were too afraid to make it "broken" and now it fell behind. I really love titan and I hope changes are made to enjoy more the class
One simple change to give titans their lick back and make other class oriented stats useful: Make Mobility, Resilience, and Recovery scale higher depending on the class you’re using. For example a 70 resil Titan has more damage resistance than a 100 resil Hunter. This fixes the problem with titans being so squishy in endgame encounter and incentivizes them into charging in with a melee build. It also keeps every single build from having 100 resil and discipline as a requirement, as you can at least get more utility from the other stats.
They'll only end up taking them from Titans and give them to one of the other classes, just like they did with twilight arsenal and the air dodge. I am sure there are more abilities I am missing.
Bungie has to remember that the sandbox can be separated. I remember them doing some change that only effected PVP or PVE, then they just forgot for some reason. I have never once had fun in Destiny PVP throughout almost 10 years. When Bungie continues to hurt the PVE sandbox solely because of a game mode I avoid like the plague, it really drives me away from the game.
@@PocketTunaI swear to god, they said they buffed the tracking on that shit yet when TFS came out I threw it directly at a thrall and it just somehow still flies past then bounces around a wall doing nothing. It’s crazy that bonk hammer feels easier to hit with than the shield
the thing i still wish bungie would go with for titans and kept for a few times until nerfing them into the ground is titans being the actual tank of the guardians. even in lore the titans are the ones holding the enemies at twilight gap and other large battles. holding the line and taking all the hits. let us be that unstoppable freight train
As a Titan main since day one, I do think some of the gripes that often get thrown out are a bit over exaggerated, but you definitely make some great points. The numbers don't lie, and I'm glad Bungie is taking notice. They need to rework the class and get us away from being melee focused. Actually embarrassing at this point
a titan will always be good in a raid for comedic relief. the amount of times i recently fell of the map in every activity across destiny 2 because im so "go go go" with the titan is probably unheard of. also the amount of times i die from just running in with my titan would bring a mix of anger and laughs. titans are really fun to laugh at lol
I'm a warlock main and even I realize that titans are getting the shortest possible end of the stick. I didn't realize how bad it was until I started seeing this rule of "no titans" in the raid. That's just cruel
I’m not a titan main I’m warlock. I finished all my builds for warlock decided to move to Titan and after 2 hours I noticed most builds are melee focused and nothing else the new super is fun but other than that there is no variety to the builds. Bungie needs a genuine rework on titan. Because warlocks have so much build variety it’s crazy. Whilst hunter has even more you could say.
@@antgonz4436 Identity has been the same for years??? Hunters: Dps focues Warlock: Utility Titans: Raw ability damage, competitive in burst scenarios ie x3 blade furry, shoulder charge, otp scaling, pyrogale, t-crash, hell even in d2 launch double pulses. Back in d1 fist of havoc, shoulder charge, hoil and majority of titan exotics focus on ability empowerment
Something that’s been sitting in the back of my mind recently and brought up again partially due to talk about prismatic balancing between the classes is how our gear and characters progressively feel weaker despite the fact we get stuff like more supers, fragments, aspects, weapon archetypes, artifact mods, etc. I honestly miss a ton of the balancing and systems pre-Shadowkeep and some stuff pre-Lightfall
The titan needs a rework on some supers. For instance thunder crash needs to be faster travel speed, faster super depletion, much more damage for lower blast radius. A new strand super with instant cast, range and massive precision damage (like a spear than anchors enemies in place, including champions) would be better for prismatic.
While i feel that, i just wanna be that warlock that points out Bungie still wants us to be in the air. Glad they gave us helion and Song of Flame, though i dont forsee the other two supers being used inside of PvE ever again now. Dash always gets a laugh out of me. A whole aspect for moving a meter in one direction.
Imagine nerfing the absolute christ out of melee options for Titans for 2 years straight and the proceeding to pretend like its some great mystery as to why basically no one is playing Titan.
I don't hate Titan's being brusiers, characters that inflict massive close range damage that protect the team too. But melee is so discouraged in high end content that it's just not possible. The only idea I've had to make it better for Titan is to just make resilience do more for them specifically. Titans at base are described as these forces of pure will that brute force everything, only to get near one shot when stacking damage resistance from a redbar. It completely counteracts the way Titan has been designed to play.
Honestly I’d be much happier with prismatic if they gave it banner of war or something like that, stronghold sword titan has always been my favorite because it lets the titan actually be a titan I really enjoy where they’re going with sentinel shield and ursa, i think they just need to make it better Like I used ursa in gm excision and it was extremely viable
Been a titan main since D1 for resilience and staying alive. Have to run prismatic for the required stuff but take it off and put Lorelei and solar hammers to stay alive in the harder content still. I am still livid that they put a cooldown on the boinky hammer. It along with sky burners, mida mini, and Lorelei got me through solo duality.
Thank you I've been so fucking stressed out playing Titan feeling like a pussy complaining all the time about how I feel useless as a Titan and it's so nice to see that I'm not alone in thinking that Titan just isn't fun right now.
i like how in game prismatic hunter is deemed to be crowd control but with or without a extotic class item has almost 4 of the higest dps options in the game dont even get started on celestial plus wild hunt
I am a Titan main, always have been. Never gonna stop playing Titan, but we need a HUGE buff. Something needs to give with Prismatic and the other Light subclasses instead of restricting us to primarily Strand. The Prismatic Titan has very little survivability and that's really, really sad. It's fun, don't get me wrong, but when I'm popping off and suddenly one shot on Prismatic... It's not cool.
I think that's a really important point you made regarding Hunter's focused on DPS and Warlocks are focused on utility. So what could Titans be shifted towards? I think it's important to understand what gameplay-wise draws people to that class? As a non-titan main I can't answer that.
I think Titans should go all-in on defence. At least then we can keep a consistent design philosophy for each class. Warlock: Grenades/Supers Hunter: Melee Titan: Shield and protection melee of some sort? Just buff Titan's health somewhat.
i main Titan and I genuinely didn't even realize Weapons Of Light was gone bc Twilight Arsenal is the only super I've used since it dropped. It's a one and done ranged super, it's everything we needed FOR YEARS it's not enough that they're giving us some new tools, Bungie has to take everything that worked the previous seasons away
Bungie should double down on the "Banner Titan" and bring that function to the other classes. Different buffs, different heavy weapons. The role of the Titan should be roaming support (Warlocks are support, Hunters are Roamers) that the team rallies around.
I like how it comes full circle. Before subclass 2.0, hunters were the "worst" class in pve. Then, when 2.0 hit, warlocks were the basic/worst class in pve (only useful for WoR bitch.) And now titans with prismatic lol. And also as a side note. I wonder if anyone's notices, bit besides apothesis/stareater combo, the next best combo for warlocks is just an upgraded version of verity brow. Osmiomancy or inmost light with very brow perk.
I can totally agree, but ngl I'm still enjoying my ol' faithful strand titan build rn just fine, who cares if nobody else is using titan if you have a build/playstile that you still have plenty of fun with 💀💀
I would love if Hammer of sol had a buff... slight tracking as it falls, throw more Hammers faster, more scorch stacks for. Hell I'd love to see suncharge back.
The utility of titan is now protection. Ursa furiosa now works with the unstoppable aspect which can give easy 25% super. Plus it protects against witness attacks so you don't even need to move during dps phase.
Would be much more useful if that protection fantasy was more shareable amongst your team and useful. Overshields are not strong enough in PvE to warrant it over restoration.
You forgot to use the prismatic Titan trailer where the devs talk and say “this is the classic Destiny experience” as he uses nothing but consecration and then remembers he has a diamond lance before the pve clip ends. Then for pvp is just one shield throw and prismatic grenade.
It's annoying for sure but I'm not stressing. Us titans still have grapple melee boss melting. Yes hunters have it as well now but at least we still have that. Also knowing that Bungie is working on it is nice so I'm not stressing.
Here i thought prismatic could make titans good and fun again guess ima have to try super hard for a build to barely rivals a hunters damaged or warlock support/utility
I saw a two tailed fox and new chest build for titan. Used it for a about a day and a half before bungie nerfed it. The only other build for titan. My prismatic titan feels like arc but with shield throw for over-shield.
I got into titan earlier this year cuz i got all the base exotics and just made a build off RU-vid and the void and solar builds made me love the class but the moment prismatic came out it made me realize this was made for warlocks and no one at bungie care about titan......thanks for confirming my fears guys
I think the final spit in the face is that for all the titan melee focus, they aren't even the best melee class lol. Combination blow hunter absolutely shits on Titan. Outclassed at their own game, lol.
Titans should be the tank, the practically unkillable center of the fireteam. When your hunter runs out of super bullets and your warlock gets low on space magic, they should be able to rally,reload, recharge and refresh behind their titan. Not find a titan ghost waiting to rez because the bubble got popped, the wall crumbled, the overshield got one-shot and the regeneration fizzeled. No blood spilled behind a titan! We are the wall against which the darkness breaks! That's how it should be anyway
As a titan that solo flawlessed prophecy, tbh nerfing the solar hammer was the worst day for me because now I can’t solo flawless 1 phase the bosses and being the best ad clear all because of the nerf of the hammer lemme explain what was the nerf: in the old times when you throw a hammer and pick it up you get it instantly but now after the nerf you have to wait 3 to 5 seconds to EVEN GET THE HAMMER BACK THIS SUCKS
All we can do is pray. Pray bungie is cooking up something special for titans. Maybe not a whole rework but Christ! Strand is PERFECT for the punch fantasy. (Maybe Solar too). But the other 3 subclasses need something more than just punching. Void was always supposed to boost you and your teammates Damage output and defense, so why not bring back perks like resupply? Giving teammates Health, ability energy, and ammo would be nice on top of overshields. Or maybe add something new to a Titan aspect like roaring flames. Where each stack buffs radiant damage for you and teammates. TL:DR: Strand does melee the best. The other 4 subclasses are ok for punching but should also focus on Support/other alternatives.
