The Title Race Debate 

Hugh Wizzy left the room and took all the football intelligence with him. 😌

Rory uses articulated sentences and big words to cover up for his complete lack of football knowledge and insight .. He thinks we can't see thru that

The fact everyone thinks Arteta should be sacked for not winning enough apart from Arsenal fans tells you how much rival fans rate him lol

“Arsenal fans were more demanding of Emery than they are of Arteta” I’ll say it again, when Emery got sacked, WE. WERE. ELEVENTH!

Rory is so aggressively stupid sometimes. None of the alonsos are related and xabi's father player for barca . He is so confidently wrong 😂

Anyone will agree with me that it's just a matter of time till Rory say Chelsea will win the league next season becuz they've been good in 4 games

Need Hugh or Miles in this for balance...

Funny thing is Spurs also upload pics of flying kites in training this morning 😂😂😂

''No Arsenal fan I know is calling for Artetas head, he's been there 4 years'', had to turn it off at this point. You boys are unfortunately absolutely clueless. Yeah let's sack Arteta after almost winning the league last year when 5th was apparently our ceiling and being in the title race right now on the final game of the season!! Great idea. Are we forgetting where we have emerged from in the previous years? The squad he inherited, does it matter that he has been here 4 years and hasn't won a CL or a PL yet considering he inherited Luiz, Chambers, Bellerin, Lacazette, Torreira, Mustafi, Sokratis, Guendouzi, Pablo Mari, Kolasinac, Maitland Niles?? This is the first year anyone can say Arsenal were expected to challenge for a major honor and he is doing that.

hoping the whole stadium cheers "COME ON CITY"

it’s like people forget how actually down bad arsenal was before arteta 😂 was literally man united now

arteta, with 1 game to go still, has broken the record for most wins by an arsenal team in a season. 03/04 invincible's got 26 wins and that win at Old Trafford was arsenal's 27th this season. Of course many will say that arsenal fans should demand more and actually get a stamp of approval on this team by winning a major trophy, but this season, judging by wins, is arsenals best season in history. i think arsenal fans are just so happy to have a team this good, and this young, and have a manager this good, and this young. If Arteta stays for 2 3 4 5 more years, however many it is, a major trophy will come. But going back to the 27 wins thing, i actually think that what rory said about 'getting a good point away at goodison' or whatever ground it is - i think thats actually completely wrong. imagine arsenal had got a good point away at villa, a good point away at newcastle. then maybe got a point in that away game at fulham, even though thats probably too easy of a fixture to be calling it a 'good point'. but the point is, if arsenal made some of those losses at tough away grounds into a draw, the title is so much closer. it may not feel like a 'good point' at the time because arsenal expect to win every game, but those points do matter. arsenal have drawn 5 lost 5. and city have drawn 7 lost 3. those two draws city have more than arsenal is why they have the lead they do in this title race. draws are absolutely crucial. but as an arsenal fan we are just happy to be where we are and i actually think just enjoying every season as it comes and playing entertaining football is all that matters. of course some fans will want trophies so that we have some concrete evidence of how good this team is but i think there is more to football than just that. i am lovin this team and how competitive we are with the best teams in the world.

KURT ZOUMA is the first CB to score a Hattrick in PL. When he is on loan from Chelsea to Crystal Palace.

I'd love for them to do a poll on who people think is the most thick. It's actually surprisingly tight between them.

Piece of advice guys ; put an arsenal fan on the table if you gonna talk about arsenal for 20 minutes

Why would we want Arteta sacked? He's imoroved the team drastically since taking over. A trophy isnt the only way to measure success. Plus both Adam and Rory would kill to have their clubs in Arsenal's postion and trajectory. AFTV isnt the only representation of Arsenal fans.

most premier league wins in a season for arsenal and there talking about sacking arteta 1 season after, kroenke's don't really sack managers/coaches, rams nfl and nuggets nba, won one championship in each both and 2 finals for each and given them plenty of time to do so. And arsenal are up against the most dominant team ever, hav a day off lads

Buveys got so used to blurting out nonsense he’s starting to believe it

Sorry guys you have no idea when you talking about arteta. We believe in him entirely. He is our former captain, he took a pay cut to join us as a player, won the fa cup as a player and manager, completely rebuilt our squad. We love him and we have no doubt that trophies are coming soon, we have a brilliant young team and now we have ucl money to spend so we can literally buy anyone

How about talking about the "qual ih hii" of the 100+ charges

This is the team that held Man City 0-0 til the final minutes of the FA cup and drew 3-3 at the etihad? Rory BANGS on about history and how it matters but when it favours Tottenham none of that matters? Guys a hypocrite. That being said, as a spurs fan I don’t have much hope for a result.

the fact that Buvey hasn't heard any transfer rumors "except that kid from Girona" really makes me question his interest in City. It's actually extremely odd. You can't go to a City corner of the web without hearing Paqueta, or Bruno G, or Kimmich, or Musiala, or Wirtz, or Joao Neves, or etc etc etc. Unless he's actively avoiding City news, I'm really questioning his credentials

Rory is genuinely obsessed with Tottenham I’ve started to notice little mannerisms and tics he has talking about them it’s embarrassing it kills him they’re better than Chelsea

No one has mentioned that team team improved tremendously under arteta

While we all want trophies you have to be realistic and can't expect to win every game. Do you really risk sacking Arteta to try and pick up an extra 3 points a season. Come on

No shame to lose by two points to 115FC

That is so disrespectful to Spurs fans that Rory would say 99% of them won't want their team to win. That's coming from an Arsenal fan.

25:20 that "you're not my dad" from Adam felt personal😭😭

Re Gvardiol: Steve Watson was categorised as a defender in the first ever FPL season (02/03) and scored a hat-trick for Everton against Leeds.

this is the worst take on title debate I have heard. When McKola talks most sense, you know the panel is stupid

What's the point of not including an Arsenal fan in a topic that requires a fan input? Why are you so pressed if Arteta is sacked or not? WE ARE COMPETING AGAINST THE GREATEST TEAM IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE EVER! WITH ONE OF THE YOUNGEST TEAMS... your speculation means nothing here.

Love the lads, but the conversation feels so disingenious without an Arsenal voice. We’ve improved every season under Arteta. The club has never broken 89 points, bar the Invincible season. We would be shooting ourselves in the foot if we sacked Arteta next season for no success. Unless we see serious regression, we’re not gonna sack Arteta because we have the proper structures in place and the platform for success. C’mon lads y’all are better than this rubbish chat.

I feel like these guys only started watching football when it became popular to make football podcasts

Buvey saying it took 5 years to compete when arteta hasn’t even been our manager for 5 years 👍.

How does the conversation go from "City have been ruthless" to "Arsenal fans need to turn on Arteta"??? This is poor boys

Delusional to suggest sacking a manager for finishing 2nd three years in a row. I understand the need to win trophies, but the margins in the Prem are incredibly tight due to a side that may or may not have been built fraudulently and the increased amount of cash that has flown into the league. Teams like Fulham, and Aston Villa are outspending all the other teams across Europe (And they still are not getting close to touch City). So do not bring up money when talking about success when every team in the league is dropping huge lumps of cash. You have to adjust your ideologies and standards on what the league is and you have to throw Man City out of the equation until a ruling comes down for there 115 charges which with each passing day it feels like nothing will be done. This Arsenal side have won the most games in the club's history and it will not be good enough to win the league. Context truly matters.

First, whats Rorys absurd take gonna be?? 👀👀

"Arsenal have been sacking everyone" as they've sacked one manager in the last 30years

“Out of this world” *spend another 200 million in the summer market*.

No team can demand success. As an arsenal fan. All I want is a manager who can compete and challenge. Because in sport that’s all you need to win. We have that in Mikel.

Arsenal fan here - what a load of twaddle these guys chat. Stating we should want arteta sacked if he doesnt win the league against this mutant club. Nuance and context - two things that they cannot grasp.

Its not Guardiola who has made beating smaller clubs necessary. Its the gap in the funds that they have from before. If only two teams were beating them then the cutoff for relegation won't drop so drastically.

Lads just 2 years ago you were saying arsenal wouldn’t qualify for the CL. Just a few months ago Buvey was saying arsenal weren’t serious challengers to City. Now suddenly Arteta should be sacked if he doesn’t win anything?! The show just doesn’t work when you are talking about teams no one on the show supports.

Whenever one of you have said 'trust me you'll want to hear this' I can't say that I ever have. I specifically pay for youtube premium because I don't want to hear it lol

The only people saying sack Arteta are people who need their content viewed or are trying to be controversial

Im sorry, but this is absolute nonsense. Arteta has made us atleast the 2nd best team in the entire country and 1 game away from us being number 1. And he's doing this while competing against arguably the greatest team the UK has ever seen. I know for a fact that if Poch or Ten Haag were sacked tomorrow and Arteta was available, these 2 would lop off their left nut to get him in the door.

""Imagine Man Untd were good anyway" ..Adam's fantasy

The fact that they even have this 'debate' without a pro-Arsenal representative speaks wonders. A City fan, an Arsenal-loathing Chelsea fan and an Arsenal-loathing United fan 'debating' a title race between City and Arsenal. Probably the loosest use of the word 'debate' I've seen in a long time because, predictably, it was 90% wanking off City and 10% running agendas against Arsenal.

Buvey talking about mancity winning another title cause a 30 year old John stones will magically not be injury prone. LOL😂😂

Can't see anything possibly that Postecoglou and spurs could do says Rory the infamous spurs hater... Of course aside from drawing 3-3 at citys home when spurs were in an injury crisis. Someone find this child a pacifier.

“Arsenal fans should start demanding success” Then the second an Arsenal fan predicts us to win something these 3 burst out laughing every time. Can’t win.

Full stadium Poznan is coming! Whole Tottenham hotspurs stadium will be doing it!

Rory doesn’t understand how an Ange team can beat city. Of course it’s unlikely but it’s more likely for a team to beat city by having a go at THEIR high line. Rather than sitting deep and letting city come on to them.

Next time, title the episode 'Biased takes from Arsenal's rivals so we know what to expect.

if your talking about the title race you should bring a fan in from both teams

Why do people debate about this? Just wait and see the outcome.

They won things with other managers before pep but no was was as dominant so things will level out

Also Rory’s hatred for Spurs has him forget that we drew 3-3 at City a few months ago with an awful back line due to injuries 😂. So salty. Spurs fans don’t want to win then so I’m not sure why he’s worried

Spurs could cause problems for Man City if Son starts

Buvey actually said with regards to Arsenal "It feels like England". His 'analysis' of football feels like pub football chat 5 pints in. I am the loser here, wasting my time on this sh*te.

Wow a title race debate without the team rep who is in the title race......where have I seen this before 🤔🤔

Rory really does know literally nothing. Won a lot of leagues since Mourinho? It's been nearly 2 decades since Mourinho left Chelsea the first time and they've won 2 leagues. City post takeover won as many before Pep as that. Arteta has spent a lot of money? Arsenal are the 5th biggest spenders in the league since he took over. Chelsea, City, United and Spurs have all spent more in that time. Pep has normalised these 90+ points tallies, it was never a thing in any other era of the league (even if you go points adjusted for seasons before it was 3 points for a win), it is not normal. A team getting 89 points and finishing second is not normal, it's 10 points more than the United treble winning side put up. Trying to act as if there won't be a drop off from Pep is absolutely mental.

Every other manager they spoke about managed multiple other teams and possibly won a league before they came prem and won. No excuse still for Mikel but this is his first managerial job. So in his first 5 years in the “hardest league” 8th, 8th, 5th, 2nd & 2nd/1st. I think next year he has to win something UCL PREM AND OR FA cup. But you can’t compare to conte klopp Ranieri

Is that a make-shift Dallas Cowboys kit on Adam?

Arteta is to Arsenal what Ole would've been to Man Utd if it was him we put in charge right now rather than Ten Hag

The day I knew that goal difference was going to get closed when raya gifted spurs that goal 🥅! Changed the whole match ! Had he not done that would have been 3-0 and arguably got worse for spurs ! And also arteta not playing the 8-2 smash video by United before the United game !

The way these revisionists go on about Emery, almost as if Arsenal were wrong to sack him. All three of these lads were mocking Emery on True Geordie’s show (yeah remember that?) and agreeing with Brian’s claims that Emery was the ultimate fraud. Let’s not forget how utter shite arsenal were under Emery. They were playing some of the worst football we’ve ever seen in the premier league. Giving up the ball to inferior sides and players, conceding about 30 shots a game, playing Torreira high up the pitch as a presser. They were a top 5 European team for shots conceded when considering European’s biggest leagues. Do you know what other English side were in their company in that top 5? Norwich.

As Arsenal fan... The worrying part is Literally the Prem full of losers... I'm not surprised we hit 26 Wins (Invincible rec.) Chris Wood is an actual pl striker player... Let that sink in. *SMH*

Spurs need to start Son in goal and Vicario up front 😂

Pep is the footballing GOAT and ppl are gonna look back once he leaves and think how crazy the stuff he did was actually. Centurions, formidables, treble, four in a row possibly and also the playing style and minimum standards. Hats off

A defender might not have scored a hat trick but shout out to Steve Bruce for scoring 19 goals in a season

"Weirdly patient"??? Arsenal are going toe-to-toe against a team that needed are charged with 115 law breaks!!!

Hinshelwoods are a dynasty in football

I found it funny that when ars visiting OT ppl keep saying how bad our records are there and not how bad the current man u team is. Yet when City visiting Spur, u ignore the past records n focus on the current team. I don't against pov but be consistent when judging and don't be double standard when it comes to yr own team or fiercest rival.

No Hugh, no party

The way to frame the question is ; If Pep was manager of Liverpool or Arsenal at the start of next season and City could have any other manager, would City still win the league or would Pep win the league

No to Villa being in a title race but yes to Chelsea? Villa literally are a better team with a better manager lol.

Tottenham are now flying kites too.

as a person who doesn’t watch football that much. and only really follows the podcasts. how are city perfect if they couldn’t beat real madrid? and how is pep the best? genuinely intrigued 👍🏻

City have pretty much got this. They had there off game against Nottingham Forrest and I'm still fuming at my fellow Kiwi, Chris Woods, for not converting those easy chances.

Steve Watson hat trick Everton v Leeds

“We have won plenty of titles since Mourinho left”. I assume he’s talking about league titles.. Mou left in 2007. They have won 3 since he left and Mourinho won them one of those.. United have been a mess. I don’t think City will dip as much as the others, but we have seen what happened with Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and United previously.. City will have a very tough time post Pep

Rory asking if anyone laid the groundwork at city, poor from Buvey, Mancini changed it all and so underrated

Very disrespectful to liken the gap between city and spurs to Arsenal and everton. Rory’s bias is so evident and he tries to play himself off as this intelligent and enlightened neutral.

Top at xmas means something. Until about 2018 top at xmas wins the league bar liverpool in 2014. City go on these mad win streaks that you just need to be ahead of before Feb, and that’s 15 points clear.

I think this narrative that every spurs fan wants to lose is ridiculous. And unless I misunderstood Rory’s phrasing calling the ones who want to win against city “burkes” is poor. Rivalry aside you shouldn’t want to throw a game. I’m a spurs fan and appreciate the fact that arsenal have had a great season and one they built on from last season to boot. No matter what happens if they win the league then they deserved to win. There should be no wish for manipulation of the game just for “bragging rights”.

non Arsenal fans are desperate to get Arteta out 😂 wonder why.

Because Rory said he thinks City beat spurs? I’d bet on Spurs beating or drawing against City.

This is the most one-sided, brainless, braindead and biased debate on the internet. i will be really happy to drink Buvey's tears when we win the league with Arteta.

Get Hugh back!!

Spurs want to win to potentially get champions league football 🤣💀

As and Arsenal fan not even relegation could get Arteta sacked

Rory has been promoting an Arsenal title win for the last four months. We don't want Arsenal to win it, but stranger things have happened. By the way, there are 5,000 tickets available for tomorrow's game. Our fans have put them up for sale.

Why does Buvey always clown Arsenal. Mancity literally lost to villa also. The same week as Arsenal. They lost to wolves. Ppl bring up 115 charges and so on cause if pep and city weren’t breaking the rules 5,6,7 years ago they wouldn’t be challenging for titles like they are now

LOLL Rory must be dreaming. Fernando Alonso is not linked to Marcus Alonso in any way whatsoever

I thought Fulham was the best chance, Tottenham super slim, West Ham zero.. but honestly the chances are greater that Arsenal don't beat Everton. And even if City draw one, the 3 goal difference could get erased on the other game. Starting to understand what Liverpool went thru

City won tittles before pep tho

A draw would make the last day very good

I'd rather my team play champions league than stop their rivals winning the league.

It's Manchester City's title, as it was always intended it would be.