The Trade That Created Two Dynasties 

The trade had zipshit to do with any Reds dynasty.

A bit of a stretch. It's like saying that the Green Bay Packers drafting Tony Mandarich instead of Barry Sanders, Deion Sanders or Derrick Thomas was a great move, because it led to them replacing their GM with Ron Wolf, which led to trade for Brett Favre. A great rebound from a f-up doesn't excuse the f-up.

"But then again, bad trades are a part of baseball. Who can forget Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas, for God's sake?" --Annie Savoy, "Bull Durham"

"Somewhat" of a correlation to the Reds and Orioles with Frank Robinson. I would also like to add that in my opinion the 1970 Orioles and the 1976 Reds were probably the best MLB teams in the history of baseball. I know a lot of people talk about the 27’ Yankees, but that was before my time or my fathers, or grandfathers time. My father saw the 70’s Orioles & 76 Big Red Machine team and everything up until this date. I evaluate them based on offense, pitching and defense. These are the facts: 1970 Orioles- they had 3 MVPs (Frank Robinson, Brooks Robinson, Boog Powell, 70’ MVP). 3 Hall of Fame players (F. Robinson, B. Robinson and Palmer, Swept the Twins who had at least 4 HOF, and almost swept the Reds if not for L. May’s 8th inning home run in game 4, (won in 5 games). HOF Manager Weaver Offense: Orioles ranked 1st in AB, R, BB, OBP in the AL. They had 7 All Stars that year in 1970. Defense: Orioles ranked 2nd in Fielding %, and E in the AL. Gold GLoves 3B Robinson had 16 GG, CF Paul Blair 8 GG, SS Mark Belanger 8 GG, 2B Davey Johnson 3 GG, There were 3 Gold Glove winners that year for the Orioles. Pitching: Orioles had 3 pitchers that won 20 games that year in 1970. 2 CY Young Winners (Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Dave McNally). Orioles ranked 1st in Wins, ERA, ER CG in the AL. Palmer had 4 Gold Gloves too. Greatest defensive 3B ever Robinson Reds 1976: They swept the Phillies and the Yankees in the postseason. Should have 4 Hall of Famers in the infield: (Bench, Rose, Morgan and Perez). 6 MVPs in the decade Bench 70’,72’, Morgan 75’, 76, Rose 73, Foster 77. HOF manager Sparky Offense: Reds ranked 1st in the NL in R, H, HR, 2B, 3B, BB, SB, AVG, OBP, SLG, OPS,TB. 7 All Stars on the Reds in 1976 (including Griffey Sr., Rose, Bench, Morgan, Perez, Concepcion, Foster) Defense: 1976 Reds ranked 1st in Fielding % and E committed, Reds had 4 Gold Glovers (Bench, Morgan,Concepción, Geronimo (Bench 10 GG, Morgan 5 GG, Geronimo 4 GG, Concepcion 5 GG), strong up the middle. Pitching: Reds had 7 pitchers that had double digit wins. 1st in Wins, 1st in Saves, lastly great catcher ever: Bench My other great team is the Toronto Blue Jays of 1993, as they won 2 WS like the Reds and that Orioles team.

I duuno, several commenters have already used the term stretch, I'll use fallacy. The dots really aren't there, not on the Reds side of things. What the trade did was make Baltimore a great team. Robinson was a S-T-U-D stud. I hated those Oriole teams of the late 60s and early 70s because outside of 67-68 they owned my Tigers. But the Reds did give us Sparky, and he won a Series with the Tigers, becoming the first manager to win a Series in both leagues, beating out the Padres manager Dick Williams in that 1984 WS for that honor. Frank, Boog, Brooks, and those starting pitchers, that was a helluva team.

This video is definitely a bit of a stretch. It's obvious that all Robinson did was affect the Orioles. If anything, the Red Machine is a completely separate entity from the Robinson Reds.

Narrator says "may be a stretch to give credit for this trade to give it credit for the Reds success later on " . I would call that a lie not a stretch.

Not to quibble, but the Reds GM was Bob HOW-sam, not HAW-sam. And it's not Pedro Boren, it's Pedro Bor-BONE. Checking on how to pronounce the names in advance will help you when you make your next video.

Great historical video! After my arrival in early 1969, I saw one of the biggest upsets when the Mets beat the Robinsons and the Orioles. Simply 2 dynasties who only clashed in 1970. So many players from that era are now in the hall of fame

Nice Job and research . Correction - Frank was arrested in Cincinnati not in Florida . Bill DeWitt didnt like Pete Rose hanging around Frank and Vada Pinson , Pete was called into the GMs Office in 1963 . Bob Howsam was a great GM ; he would of gotten more for Frank Robinson from Baltimore if he would of been GM , he is on record saying that . Bill Dumwitt wanted Robby gone at any price . Dick Simspon was a total bust !! he hit 4 homers in 66 vs 49 Homers by Frank . Pappas hated Cincinnati and missed Baltimore - he was booed constantly in Cincy. Reds finally retired Frank Robinson number 20 in 1998 . 23 years later after the trade .

The Reds trading Frank Robinson ranks alongside the Red Sox trading Babe Ruth, the Mets trading Nolan Ryan, and the Dodgers trading Frank Howard as the worst in baseball history.

fantastic video, keep it up

The Reds had a dynasty DESPITE that bad trade, not because of it at all. But in 1971, they got George Foster from the Giants for Vern Geishert and Frank Duffy. Foster was key in the in the 1975-76 World Championship years, plus he had three straight rbi crowns and two straight home run crowns, not to mention a league MVP award in 1977.

Red Legs ? It was 1956 , not 1856….

one of the worst, if not THE worst, moves the Reds ever made. I will never understand why they thought he was past his peak and in decline. Frank went to the Orioles and made the Reds front office look very stupid.

Most of the key players in the BRM (version 1) came up through the Reds' farm system: Rose, Perez, Bench, Helms Carbo and Concepcion all came up from their minor league teams. Griffey was also a product of the farm system, but didn't come up till 1973, iirc. 6 of them were also part of the later, better version of the BRM, along with Joe Morgan, Jack Billingham, Denis Menke, Cesar Geronimo, and others. I don't think the Robinson trade helped the Reds at all, and I know it broke my heart when it happened. The other big trade that created version 2 was the George Foster trade in 1971. All DeWitt did was make a fool of himself.

Milt Pappas brings back memories. A good-hitting pitcher who pitched a no-hitter for the Cubs.

if pete didn`t do fanduel lol

If i had a wish it would be to do away with these Johnny-come-lately stats This is more accurate numbers here, substituting the needless ones. G: 155. AVG: .316 HR: 49. RBI: 122 Ks:?? W:?? Runs:?? SB:?? It tells you what kind of hitter they are The strikeout/walk ratio, in tandem with average and Hr.; Runs & Rbis are seen in tandem with stolen bases; What you re getting here is run production...a leadoff guys stats, like an Ichiro or Wade Boggs reflect these-because you can almost see where they fit within the batting order. Then again maybe a person has to play the game or see it to either learn or deduce these things.

This is like saying Casey Stengel breaking his hip lead to the Mets hiring Gil Hodges and winning in 69

Howsam is not pronounced Hahsum. It is HOW-sum

That's pair, golden eras for pair, franchises

"Expecteded"

The worst trade in Reds history was Christy Mathewson for Amos Rusie.

The Reds were a mini dynasty only 2 World Series wins 1975 and 1976 10 years after the trade

even though a very one-sided trade, Milt Papas was a very solid pitcher for both the Reds and the Cubs. had some very strange stuff happen in his life after baseball, too.

The man had a leather ass in both leagues!

I feel this ' 66 Triple Crown is a sign of the era more than anything. Wasnt it Carl Yastremski in '67 & 68 as well, the latter earmarked with a .301? Then the mound got lowered, as this was the latter-day dead-ball era... 6:23 wtf Beethovens 5th...really?

The 70 World Series showed the reds Why Pappas was a bust out of Baltimore. DEFENSE Reds Went defense w/Morgan, Geronimo and Menke. moving Perez to first for the departed May.

Howsam, not Hossum.

Orioles dynasty? When did that happen

Rockies world champions 😂😂😂

This is a complete crock.

Sounds like an attempt to justify a terrible trade.

Narration presupposes too much insider knowledge (of acronyms and baseball minutia). Monotone voice.

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He wreak the cleveland indians as a manager of Cleveland got perry traded and wreak the.team

Frank Robinson is the only player in MLB history to win the MVP award in both leagues. That will never happen again.