The tragedy of the original Shredder (TMNT comics) 

TTN, when do plan on doing a video on the original Baxter Stockman? (My thoughts are the OG Shredder are alright, pretty cool)

@@lucasgibbs4050 Baxter is coming soon(ish).

@@TheTurtleNexus Ok. BTW, how does Shark Shreddernado sound?

This Shredder was very twisted in more was than one.

I’d like to see the story on how he became The Shredder in-universe.

when not adapting anything past the first arc goes right

@@supamilkchanbitches3730 What do you mean western interpratation? TMNT is an American comic...

@@supamilkchanbitches3730it literally takes place in New York and was made in New York

@@supamilkchanbitches3730 you’re literally saying random words like it’s LITERALLY WESTERN

@@supamilkchanbitches3730 like what on earth are you talking about

That movie is and remains incredible.

​@@SithCats💯

Imagine if they adapted this 1 to 1

I was thinking the exact same thing.

The crazy thing is the original film is still the best film after all these years.

2012 too

@@pal8698 it's more of rivalry there

@@8ball180 then both vengeance and rivalry

The vengeance trilogy

And the 2003 series

unless you mean a literal home wrecker, I don't think Tang Shen getting her face beat into ground beef is grounds for her to be considered cheating on Yoshi

saki woman wasnt giving it up! He was just a murderer

Shen was never with Nagi. The only "home wreckers" in this situation was the Oruku's.

More like because an incel couldn't take no for an answer and move on.

last ronin was insane

Huh, it happens a lot wym

No, he means like the shredder is not like related or directly related to each other, but this is different

I do as well

Yeah because he only appeared in the 87 TMNT series and he’s not dead

I think this shredder needs a redemtion arch since it all started because of his brother and not him

@@srstriker6420 oroku nagi wasn't in the 87 cartoon he was given an original brother Kazuo Saki and in the 2003 show oroku nagi was replaced with an orphan friend to hamato yoshi who had no ties to orroku saki and is a adopted son of the ancient one an acolyte of the utrom guardians, Yukio Mashimi because oroku saki is an identity shared by chrell utrom shredder and the guardian demon shredder. nagi is only a mirage exclusive character and only appears in the 1990 comic book adaptation and tales of the tmnt as a ghost where as oroku nagi and orroku saki are combined into a single incel shredder in the 1990 film and 2012 show incarnation

@@sonnywoods6846 he's getting one in the idw continuity but the mirage shredder mirage karai mirage hamato yoshi mirage tang shen mirage orroku nagi mirage tang amai and the mirage foot clan needs more development.

Nagi was brought up again (from the Afterlife), but I will do a different video for that.

​@@TheTurtleNexusLate response ik but I think they meant he was never mentioned in subsequent adaptations

Unfortunately they won’t do it because they’re too busy of wanting to cater to The older fans who grew up with the 87 cartoon which I really wish that they would move on from because We haven’t gotten a darker Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film Since the 1990 movie Plus the shredder in the original film was more serious compared to the animated counterpart even a 2003 ninja turtles cartoon was dark as well I don’t understand why they still continue to want to make the turtles light hearted we need a more darker version of the shredder and the turtles back again hell we need them to be brought back to their dark roots period.

they would turn the shredder into a 500 pound black woman from Miyazaki. the turtles would all become generic white dudes name bob and jim, and the hero would be the shreader without any of the awesome that was in the comics.

And the studios would ruin it. They would prolly make Casey Jones gay. They would make April O'Neil a "girl boss" who would be an overweight narcissistic black lesbian who is somehow the toughest character in the whole movie. And the turtles would be weak, feeble and stupid who trip over their own feet and only win by complete accident/coincident. Thats Hollywood these days.

​@@Collectingmythoughts eh, the 03 show could be pretty ridiculous at times.

​@@thecomedian5933 not quite.

Or they could’ve resurrected him through some cultish foot clan way. Like how the Hand does from marvel, which The Foot are based on

Or they could've have just made it so the Shredder didn't actually die.

Couch tmnt 2003 couch but then you probably too busy being stock in the 80's that you actualled wasted decades on a important moment of era that surprisingly you fools even made it in the 2000

​@@iancruz6617The TMNT 2012 animated series takes inspiration from the story as well.

The movie is not going to be taken seriously with any Shredder story. They adapted some elements from the comic but its just too silly to have the grim feeling

Ayooooooo🤣😭😂

If only Shredder hated pizza.

Why you say that what’s the difference between the shredders

​@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390is that the one from 1987 is the superior, the 2003 is edgy, the one from 2012 look like he has cancer and from rise is more of an beast

​@@misterboxhead3045I definitely think the 2012 version was superior.

​​@@misterboxhead30451987 Shredder is the worst. Unless you are stuck in the past. Like most fans of that

Sorry, but 2012 is the best Shredder, he hasn't cancer, he's is literally burnt

Literally. It's all in the mask

Yeah I could see it with the mask

It's surprising how much 2003 adapted into it, despite how far 1988 had gone from the comics. I'd never read them, so my original thought back when I watched the 2033 run was that they'd adapted the movie.... Boy, was I wrong.

2003 tmnt sucks!

@@daleshelden8394 What, do you prefer the '89 version?

@@bragnir 84 to 89

@@bragnir Heck, I was originally turned away from the 2003 version because of how different it was, having only ever known the cartoons and movies. I had known comics existed as a kid, but considering the only comic book I ever owned was literally just an adaption of the cartoon's entire first season, I grew up assuming they were one in the same.

the 2003 series is technically the most faithful to it in some plot points.

I've seen rumors of a Netflix show but I don't know how true that is.

the original 1990 movie adapted a LOT of the comics he mentions in this

There was a fake poster recently, but I have enough experience with AI art to tell it isn't real. A TMNT series would most likely show up at Paramount+ (and my understanding is that we are getting a show based on the new movie).

That's what the 1989 movie was, everything that happpened in that first comic happened in the movie, except Raphael was jumped by the foot clan instead of Leonard, they killed shredder on a rooftop in the movie, etc, it was based on the comic

I start to realise that the word badass is very overused

That sounds really familiar... only I was in 4th grade and the copy I got was new.

Those worth any $ nowadays?

I loved the original comics, the tv show AND the live action movie. They were all great in their own ways.

Read the IDW run dude, sounds like it would be right up your alley

The comics have kept the dark tone.

I would definitely look forward to a “Dark Knight” feel to a live action movie

There’s gonna be Last Ronin game in the next few years

You should look into tmnt Ronin 👍🏾

But in the case of Ch'rell he was using those biocytes to heal. The original Shredder was eaten by the worms (and was already dead). But it could have been an easter egg now that I think of it. As for adaptations of this story, the original idea Eastman and Laird had for the movie trilogy, was that they were going to set up the Shredder's return in the second one, and adapt "Return to NY" in the third one. That would have adapted the worm Shredder story. I covered "Return to NY" in another video.

@@TheTurtleNexus I forgot that's how it went for ch'rell in the 2003 series. its been a while since i last saw the episodes that adapts some plotpoints of the mirage comics. And honestly, i would've prefered if that was how tmnt 2 was like. Rather than an original story that made everyone more cartoony.

@@TheTurtleNexus that actually sounds pretty cool maybe we can get that for a film trilogy some day

True

@@autobotproductions1244 an intro + return to ny + city at war trilogy would be great

That would be crazy

The way I see it, Saki was born into an environment where he actually had to avenge his brother (Yoshi's actions went against the rules of the clan).

It's not uncommon for relatives from the same criminal family to defend their kin no matter what kind of atrocity they committed. They also completely ignore or even blame their relatives' victims for forcing their hand/putting them in a bad light/surviving long enough to cause trouble. I mean, we have IRL relatives of mafia bosses demanding respect for their dad/grandpa and blaming the public for being judgemental or Yakuza pretending to be good guys because they look after the community (yeah, ignore the rapes, drug dens and extortion, they are just minor inconveniences).

​@@TheTurtleNexus Saki was groomed and manipulated into becoming the Shredder because Nagi was a vile incel and the Foot clan only validated that bullshit mentality.

@@TheTurtleNexus Absolutely, but then isn't the civilization or environment he was born into the real villain? The cycle of revenge that grew out of it is simply a symptom of that original belief structure.

@@BlueProphet7 You could say that, yes.

Yeah but he survived and ended the cycle

I covered Pimiko in the "Image comics ninja turtles" video.

@@TheTurtleNexus Thanks.

Yeah they are interesting

Nah, not hardly. Kavaxas is worse

NECA did a few that were based on the original run.

I'll look 'em up. Thanks!

I've been saying this for years but no they wanna keep remaking the 87 fred wolf cartoon and 1990 movie

Because the story has already been told too many times

@@8ball180 actually it hasn't they wanted the mutagen gimmick characters like super shredder bebop and rocksteady or tokka and rhazar krang and the technodrome or gave the turtles original boring villains like tatsu who never existed in the mirage books as shredders right hand man a Portuguese British colonial guesuit Niles and the shogun lord norinaga or the immortal max winters the aztec stone warriors with karai lead foot clan assisting them capturing 13 cryptids and the 1990 film trilogy choose bits and pieces what to adapt from the classic mirage comics like parts of the tcri saga and turtles crossover with cerebus renet and savanti romero combined with the 87 cartoon playmates toys elements to make a coherent stream line film parts of issue one parts of raphael & leonardo micro series one shot and parts of the Massachusetts retreat and return to New York saga and swapped it out with Raphael as the focal piece main protagonist and the most developed out of all the ninja turtles in the 1990 film and swapped out leo being ambushed by the foot minus shredder showing up with Raphael which got adapted in 2003 and 2012 cartoons but the turtles actually killed shredder in issue 1 and he was ressurected with cloning technology and dark magic off panel where as the films skipped those blood soaked gruesome elements and nerfed the turtles from being killers and had splinter lay the killing blow after shredder held leonardo hostage. They never did baxter stockman justice and Tyler perry didn't add anything to the role or was given enough material to work with cause people wanted the 1987 cartoon as a live action adaptation rather than the original comic book incarnation second the movies were also trying to be like the idw incarnations with rewrites from the alien twist reimagining because the turtles were hinted at being lab experiments like the idw books rather than the shared blind man crossing the street almost struck down by a truck carrying radioactive waste materials daredevil origin

@@8ball180 for the most part the 1987 cartoon has been milked to death

@@8ball180 the purple dragons were never in film a proper baxter stockman in live action with his mouser robots and the computer programmer engineer april they usually make her the news reporter incarnation from the 87 cartoon or age her down to be a teen orroku nagi orroku saki older brother was never used in any incarnation hammato yoshi and tang shen hasn't really been on film and the movies choose not to adapt the shared daredevil / tcri canister truck accident origin because of high budget action sequence or marvel might sue and the tmnt utrom fugitoid triceraton saga was never on film

Demon Shredder was also forbidden.

Well watch the 2003 cartoon

​@@misterboxhead3045 eh, it changes a lot.

I only ever got my hands on one issue back then....and all I remember is how cool the artwork was

Why you say that

@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390 you ever watch tmnt 2003 it's faithful to the comics

Actually yes that was one plots for the sequel.

Why you say that

The new movies were a pile of ghettofied crap!

Yeah he calls upon leonardo from different points in time to prevent him from dying

Donatello was the last ronin in mirage continuity

Baxter stockman wasn't killed in mirage he escaped issue 2 and reappeared in vol.2 and taken by the u.s. government his human body was dead due to him removing his own brain and placing it into a cyborg body but he's still around 1987 baxter was a fly and 2003 baxter suffered the same fate as his mirage counterpart being a brain in a cyborg body only difference baxter wasn't a foot lackey

RU-vid took it for a ride this past week!

Yes it is

I wouldn't rule out the versions that weren't loyal to the Mirage comics. Some adaptations of the Shredder were very well handled, and the most recent one had a very satisfying ending as well. But yes, the 2012 version managed to do the "cycle of vengeance" in a way that worked well for kids animation (it was done in a way that both Saki and Yoshi were victims, so they weren't the ones that started it). That was a very well thought decision.

​@@TheTurtleNexus yep other then 2012 and the 1990 shredder i don't say that the other versions of the shredder are bad like you said there where well handled but it really gets under my skin when fans of other TMNT shows try to argue that the good parts of 2012 shredder where actually his bad parts which is a straight up lie

2003 Shredder is the most accurate in psychological term imho. He is cruel and seeks revenge in every possibile way. We see the man behind the mask in many occasion

@@elisabettaverre8793 fuck no he isn't Mirage and 2012 shredder are both tragic human characters that share a similiar backstorys 2003 shredder is a generic saturday morning cartoon villian who has nothing better to do than to conquer the world Like how generic is that It isn't Bad tho 2003 shredder is nothing like the mirage shredder

@@pal8698 actually 2003 shredder is accurate at parts they just changed shit around cause shredder was their most popular villain of the series also at the time they didn't want shredder to be a human who gets killed by the turtles brutally and then cloned and they wanted to make splinter more active than his mirage counterpart and make shredders near death and ressurection mysterious and make him scary and threatening than his less developed mirage counterpart

Turtle fans don’t want to admit it but Ninja Turtles works best when it’s goofy and kid friendly. I love the original comics too, but let’s not act like that where their mainstream popularity came from