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there is no equal, full reps are worth shit if doing partials lengthend, its about tension full rom is for functionality and strength@@majungasaurusaaaa
Rarely any, I walked past his booth a few times at the Olympia and I saw no one other than me even walk up to the booth. Its really sad, because he was only charging 5 dollars for a signed picture and a photo. @nekronbeast3981
"We can only speculate". My favorite part about hearing that phrase over and over throughout the video was not that it's true, but that I know there were exercise science bros watching it fuming every time he said i, because they're convinced that their conclusion is the correct one, and not mere speculation.
@@BombSquad.MP4 holy you somehow managed to pack more yap into 5 words than I did in a paragraph long run-on sentence. Now that's some optimal yappage.
Well I disagree Dorian Yates is the greatest bodybuilder to ever walk on a stage he was nine and zero versus Ronnie Coleman so that pretty much ends that subject Dorian also was like 17 and 1 as a professional he only lost to Lee Haney by half a point in his first Olympia Ronnie Coleman never won anything until Dorian retired so if Dorian knew he had to be 300 lb he would have came in and destroyed Ronnie he would have looked like those black and white pictures and destroyed Ronnie Ronnie's great but he never beat the British bulldog Mr Dorian Yates
@@joeyjojo9135 Bullshit. Coleman chose to ignore medical advice to give his body time to heal and instead aggravate was was already a severe injury with his insane training. Never had to be that way. But he couldn't let it go.
Dorian was 5ft 10 I believe, this video made me so angry, kovaks was the biggest body builder not Ronnie, I wish these people would research before getting literally everything wrong
The kinda sad part about Lee's run is that he stopped competing very young compared to bodybuilders of today. I think he was maybe 32 which is very much prime for bodybuilders today. He could have reached 10 Mr. O's if he kept going and that record would quite possibly be eternal. That photo with Arnold was of Sergio Olivia, not Lee Haney. Serigo was a genetic God during that era of bodybuilding.
At 13:20,,,, I trained like that for years and loved it. It was only when I had to back off because of a new job that I lost the conditioning necessary to complete those former kinds of workouts anymore. Conditioning over years plays a huge role in recovering.
the answer is literally so simple. If youve been lifting for 2+ years consistently without any untraining (ie injuries surgeries laziness etc) and you look normal or still small, youre doing it wrong.
On compound exercises, I go heavy with few reps per set. I've transitioned to a more Strongman style of training, combined with a variety of styles for accessories. No other way has increased my mass and strength more. I can literally do 1-3 reps building up to my target weight, finish that weight with 2 to 3 reps, drop set to a higher rep burnout, and then not hit that body group for a week to allow a full recovery. This is strictly a natty approach, but I've gained 20 pounds is the last 1.5 years and increased deadlift and squat by 50-65% each. I'm applying this to chest and overhead currently, and despite having to rehab a shoulder and overall range of motion, I am finally seeing good results in those troubled areas. I've put on a decent amount of mass, and I am very much not a young man. High reps have always burned me out and had lesser gains. It may be about body type, but high intensity, high percentage weight training has always returned the best results for me. FULL recovery and plenty of real sourced protein is key. Creatine and pre-workout sure, but I promote and rely on my natural hormone production. Find your true limits!
I would say for chest and delts more reps are better. Gaining huge amount of strength is fun but doesn't last it is better to mix things up if you don't wanna plateau. N.B You might wanna try 531 BBB
@@justvibing2497 you're delusional, acting as if we don't have photos and footage of all 3 standing next to each other Yates competed against Haney in 1991 and 9 times against Coleman 92 to 97, he didn't look even half an inch shorter than Coleman while standing next to him.
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@@klilbenz8958 Sim, precisa demais. O conteudo do Bromley é ouro. Tenho muitos amigos que eu recomendo esse canal, mas por não falarem inglês, eles acabam perdendo muito conhecimento, e foi por causa disso que criei meu canal de traduções para ajudar.
Any interesting thing mentioned in a podcast by Paul Carter, a training guru mentioned. If you train in higher reps 8-15 reps, you need to train close to failure, 1 rep in the tank. Cause it takes so many reps to stress the muscle, you need to push it extremely hard close to failure to recruit most of the muscle fibres. But if you use heavy wts in the 1-5rep range, you dont have to train to failure as the heavy load recruites most of the muscle fibres from the first rep. Eg ive read where guys will use 90% of their 1rep max and do 5 sets of singles and would not only gain strength but size as well. This is my experience. For me on the big compound exercises, i like to train in the 1-5rep range and increase the wt to a heavy single, not a max and then cut the wt right back and do a set of 6-8reps. I also find the lower reps help you keep good form. I will use 6-10reps with smaller muscle groups or a secondary compound movement use 6-10reps or for a back down set.
I learned a lot from watching Cedric McMillan train. He trained with lightweight, and won the Arnold Ohio in 2017 (I was fortunate enough to get to travel to Ohio and see the Arnold in person that year). But watching his training videos, he taught me that it's not how heavy the weight is, but how heavy it feels. So he would train extremely slow, tricking the muscles into feeling like a weight was heavier than it was. This makes all the difference in saving your joints. Heavy weight injures joints as you near failure. If you can use light weight and get the same gains, why not save your joints. Also he said, don't annihilate the muscle, just stimulate the muscle. You don't have to overtrain to grow. Look at big ramy... Rarely ever have you seen him train to failure, and he has multiple major ifbb titles under his belt. I use all these lessons in my training now. And save my body a lot of stress, and still see results.
I don’t think Haney started the Mass Monster craze. Yates got in the Mass Monster clown car, then Coleman got behind the wheel and drove it off the cliff. Haney was bigger than usual for his days, but kept his definition and symmetry. He is the last to not have a pregnant belly, that is now the norm in the Open Division.
One note, I think training heavier causes more “bodily” growth, (not to mention HGH), such as bone mass and ligaments and tendons, which makes someone as a whole “larger”, and it starts to separate itself from being “aesthetic”, where waist is small, and legs not as bulky, I would venture to say heavy lifting creates an X, and more pump type training creates a Y, which is the “look” we are looking for on the beach or golden era
Honestly stretch/lengthened partial stuff seems to me like a science thing that affirms rather than contradicts what big guys actually do. Ronnie wasn't too fussed with the lockout, or touching the bar to his body on any pulldown or row, & lengthened partial stuff all supports that.
I'll keep the use of my legs, no torn muscles and no biological damage from steroid abuse. But, I do love watching body building and lifting weights in a very safe manner.
How Lee Haney trained is how I train too, and I actually talked about it in my channel. It's not about repetitions, it's about time under tension. Yes, 8 to 12 repetitions build muscle, but what if I do 13 repetitions-- won't I build muscle? What if I do 14? 12, 13, and 14 are just numbers close to each other, but intensity isn't a number; intensity comes with time. With just 3 months of consistency (bodyweight training), I was able to build muscles.
dont mistake perceived effort with intensity. it is a good indicator, but it can be misleading, especially when different rep ranges and rest periods make your sets feel qualitatively different. getting to failure on 15 reps is a different experiences frok 6 reps, which is a different experience from 30 reps.
That’s what they all say. But it’s not true. If you look at these guys they’re all incline pressing 4 plates and shoulder pressing 315 and the list goes on and on. If you want to get huge, you need to get strong there’s no way around it. Not strong in the sense of a powerlifter, but strong like a bodybuilder for high reps on movements with large ROM
'Heavy' is an extremely relative term in weight lifting. Jay lifts "heavy" in the sense that yea of course he has multiple plates on the bar but only enough to push medium-high reps out. Not heavy in the sense that he lifts 90%-95% of his 1RM every set.
And aren't there videos of Jay benching 405, bent over rows with 405-495? He was squatting 405 for 12, but he was doing it ass to Grass, pausing at the bottom and exploding upwards
@@EnigmaticAnamoly yes, that’s correct. I’m not saying you need to lift “heavy” in the sense of high intensity (90%+) what I’m saying is you need to improve your performance in moderate-high rep ranges on exercises that are productive for growth. Oftentimes, In the end this will result in a person being very strong for reps. No one is going to get to Jay Cutler size by benching 185-225. Eventually you won’t respond to that stimulus, and you need to increase a small amount of weight. Over many years you’ll eventually be very strong for high reps. But yes, you never need to go below 5-6 reps. And even then, you don’t need to go that heavy. You can grow using exclusively higher reps. Hope this made sense
It’s been said in interviews both of Dorian and Mike. That Dorian trained with Mike for week in the early 90s putting him through mikes heavy duty workout. Dorian was so excited by these workouts he literally felt like he was growing after each workout. Dorian was doing two sets to failure. One heavy set and then the next he would reduce the weight and do it again, Basically a drop set. Mike explained why don’t you cut back to one set to failure as your already doing that and there’s no need to do it again. Dorian took mikes advice and thus Dorians heavy duty one set to failure was born. More information can be found on the heavy duty college RU-vid channel. That is dedicated to Mike and has all of his content
Dorian did not take Mike's advice. At no point did he do 1 set (you can read his book). The entire bodybuilding world thinks Mike was off his rocker with his recommendations at the end. Tge existence of fan channels in YT doesn't change that.
It’s not a fan channel. It’s actually mikes close friend John little who worked for Weider and wrote books with Mike. The page was created to spread mikes actually wording and interviews and debunk misinformation. Like this video that is inaccurate
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5HH5WazzTB8.htmlsi=A3Q2y2dFP_vb4MkX Mikes conversation with Dorian. Spoken by Mike himself while on the phone to John little
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5HH5WazzTB8.htmlsi=A3Q2y2dFP_vb4MkX Heres Mike speaking about that exact conversation with Dorian. Spoken by himself with a phone call to John little in the 90s
once Dorian got to olympia standards he dropped his volume again to only 1 working sets and less warm up sets which is a reduction of 50% and we saw more improvement again.
Imagine getting pulled over and getting ready to talk shit and be hella disrespectful than you get ronnie coleman which he was like 320 off season bros was always hoping for a fight imagine how scary that would be just 300lb muscle just deep staring into your soul lowers glasses nd everything starts breathing kinda heavy to show insanity
Dorian’s biceps of themselves were never a “weakness”. Not from a size standpoint, anyway. He did not have the peak of a Haney or a Ronnie, but he had plenty of size. It was only after the tear that his biceps were brought into question. You cannot look at his physique from 91 - 93 and call them a weakness.
It's "normal" for Yates to do 5 exercises for "the back", because of all the different angles and muscles (lats, traps, erectors, rear delts), and 2 for "the biceps" (long head with arms behind the back, short head with arms in front) Yates tore his biceps because he failed to realize that they were really short, and thus prone to tearing at the elbow when supinated.
he mainly tore it because he was only weeks out from Mr. O, in deep prep. malnourished and restricted while trying to keep up with off season's intensity and workload...which he himself admits nowadays he shouldn't have done.
Could it also be that Ronnie's training by comparison diffused a lot of the stress to the system rather than stressing out specific tendons? Yates loved his machine work so much more than Ronnie which might've contributed to his multiple tears. The machines probably did their jobs too well at emphasizing and isolating a muscle, and Yates' insistence on intensity even deep into prep contributed massively to that.
Dorian did admit he hurt himself as much as he did by trying to keep going as hard in the cutting season. Perhaps he overlooked the weakening that came with cutting. He does advise against going super heavy during cutting in his youtube content.
Imo anything more than 15-16 sets is overkill and 10:43 yates also admit he took heavy gear and same goes for roonie. Its nothing speical its heavy gear with good work effect, but remember roids make you work wayyyyyyyyy harder compared to natural lifter and its so much easier to do
Small correction: Mentzer never did just one set as far as I'm aware of. That was just his bs propaganda. If you look at his workouts, he had from 2 to 3 exercises per muscle group, which means 2/3 sets plus warmups. There are vids out there about this. His trainees also followed this method.
@@emcys Well, it lets itself be misunderstood. By his own words, "it is neither necessary nor desirable to do a second set", and then he follows by saying that a set taken to true failure is enough to stimulate growth. Just... what do you understand by this? I understand that one set of quads is enough, right? Well, no, because then this mf comes and does leg extensions to failure with their warmups, then does a leg press to failure plus warmups, then does squats... Please, explain to me how can it be that two sets of a leg press is overtraining but one set of leg press and another one of squats is perfectly reasonable for him. What's the justification for this nonsense? Do we also not see that what I just mentioned is basically the equivalent of 3 sets of quads? Sometimes even 4 or 5, as he didn't always do "just one set". In fact, his standard workout was 2 leg extensions, 2 leg presses and then one of squats, plus warmups. That's the opposite of what he insisted on. How come he said "just one set" but did never specify "per exercise" and, in which case, how many exercises? Sure, you can do "just one set per exercise" but do 20 different exercises, but you'd be doing 20 sets instead of 1. See how much the story changes? This was pure propaganda, he barely ever talked about what he actually did and we both know it. He misled everybody with a tricky use of words by not clarifying what he meant and ended up training himself and his trainees in a different way compared to what he preached. He even contradicts his very own explanations about intensity by what he used to do (he said something in the lines of "those who do more than one set deny the principle of intensity: that the level of intensity is not important"). If he's doing 3/4/5 sets of different quads exercises... please, explain to me how his words make any sense. To me, they don't, no matter how many times I think about it. He was pure propaganda, even worse than Arnold's "shock the muscle principle".
@@microondasletal you're trying too hard, he just came to wrong conclusion that doing two sets on the same exercises doesnt make sense as you will do less on the second set if the previous set was taken to failure, i dont agree with Mike Mentzer in 100% because he had some stupid takes, he did warmups yes and then one all out set for the given exercise, and his training changed overtime as he lowered the volume later so his earlier workouts looked a little bit different when he did 2 working sets instead of 1, at the time his training principles were good, now we know more and we can train even better and saying that "just one set per exercise but do 20 different exercises, you'd be doing 20 sets" thing is this is just random conclusion he never did 20 working sets for a muscle weekly nor advocated for that, and that's true that he never precisely told what he meant by the one set, Dorian Yates later took Mike's training principles and made them a whole lot better making great training system focused on adding weight or reps weekly with high intensity 3-5 working sets for muscle weekly
0:37 waist was smaller than arnold. Great video, but one thing you got wrong is sports. This is not a fcking sports guys, its a beauty/art contest and phil to me is the goat
Ronie's back problem is genetic, he was already feeling pain before he started training when he was in college,His training may have even postponed these problems, another problem was his criminal doctor who had him perform unnecessary spinal surgery which screwed him up.
