The Treasure Island Full of Fish - Getting Every Achievement in FFXIV #39 

I love hearing the trash mob rant: in the dungeon that actually has several puzzles for differing routes related to trash mobs.

I appreciate that the fairy boss's "TREMBLE" was raised to a slightly higher pitch. Well done.

1:26 That is 32 solid seconds of Shade Throwing. No, sorry, that isn't throwing shade, that's dropping an eclipse.

1:25 Zlatan looks like he got competition

Dear lord the pitched-up TREMBLE absolutely slaughtered me 😂😂😂

I love when Cider decides to just drown an NPC in shade.

All Lalafell are fish, but not all fish are Lalafell.

That high pitched "TREMBLE". I can't. 🤣🤣🤣

The fun part is that this au ra you're throwing shade at looks a lot like my au ra WoL. And he's such a nerdy dweeb I love it.

Bird carried the coconut until it got tired, then rode on the floating coconut for a while. That's how migration works!

That was fcking savage. “He looks like he insures his anime statues” XD 😂

6:22 the trashmobs get very interesting on harder difficulties in the variant dungeons

poor Au Ra having to look down at a 90 degree angle to look you in the eyes. that's why he has a special pillow.

Are Lalafell fish?

Local NPC found dead in a ditch. Foresincs claim cause of death to be an overdose of shade.

The trash packs make a dungeon, a dungeon. Without trash it's just a boss rush.

"Fairy with a gun" is the exact kind of thing that makes me enjoy this game.

The mobs in the variant dungeons are there to give them variables to create the different story paths. Remember in Sil'dih? Pop the drakes in the right order, different boss.

Possibly other people have pointed this already, but you missed a subtle point in the lore. Alo Alo isn't where the lalas went after Nym; it's where they came from *before* Nym, and in fact, where they came from before they travelled to the Unlost World. If you complete Alo Alo Island before doing the Dawntrail MSQs you get additional text in the Living Memory portion that clarifies. Lalafell originate from Alo Alo island. During the Fifth Umbral Era, a terrible ice age rendered the island uninhabitable. The lalafell population split - one faction crossed the ice and migrated to Eorzea, where they founded Nym and Mhach, and to this day their descendants live. The other faction travelled through a portal to the Unlost World and now their descendants live in Solution 9.

Have we finally found someone Cider can insult more than Zlatan, I think we have.

I think you hit the nail on the head in the last video when you talked about how removing xp from trash fights took the fun out of them. Having to plow through mobs because it's a dungeon and they're there feels more like a chore than gameplay. It feels like the mobs have way too much HP in the criterion dungeons too. It all ends up feeling like a slog, which is why I don't do them that much even though I like the concept.

Good stuff, as an FYI the boss song from Mount Rokkon wasnt new, it was the Stormblood trailer music

"HE LOOKS LIKE HE USES BING MAPS INSTEAD OF GOOGLE" is my new fav insult ever ty

Yeah Dawntrail does feel like their trying to innovate with the fights to some degree, I've had a lot of fun with those.

"Home boy looks like he buys ergonomic furniture." ...You have a standing desk.

Cider must be the only person to be his own boss and work himself all night.

hehe. Waiting for you to realize this dungeon's connection to DT. "The Lala?" (which was totally me at that moment too)

Although, it was kinda neat that Alo Alo lore came up in DT, so that was cool. I found variant to be a little faster when you go as a DPS. I did all of em as a Summoner. With rampart and the heal it's easy enough. I would enjoy the trash mobs to be more interesting.

Excited to see you poke around in Criterion one day to see what you make of what they do with the trash and bosses there

*squeaky voice* TREMBLEEE i love how the lore expands and more and more soundfiles get added like the aura combat grunt

"You look like you drink ice tea....unsweetened" Dude might as well just end it all.

I see you keep complaining about the trash mobs in variant dungeons... But you seem to be forgetting that they're directly involved in several of the puzzles necessary to get all the endings (killing a certain order, allowing/not allowing a certain attack to go off, killing in certain locations/facing certain directions, etc). It's not all the time, but they do happen often enough that I feel they do add to the experience (plus they make for interesting challenges when you do the criterion dungeons). All in all, I think they're implemented well in variant/criterion dungeons

1:53 Bro looks like the type to put the milk before the cereal.

(Please do correct any inaccuracies) Quick breakdown of Woox Walking: Normally when your character attacks in Oldschool Runescape they stall for a tick (0.6 seconds) however if the enemy's attack pulls you into your weapon's range, through auto-retaliate, and you queue a step back out at the right rhythm you skip this stall. The most notable boss that this is used again is Vorkath who has an attack that targets your current tile and .6 seconds later its it, thus if you're always moving, you never get hit.

Putting the can opener on the top of the can is the right way to do it… no burrs, no sharp edges, resealable, and the top comes off with the can opener itself…

I just wish I could find more people that want to do variant dungeons.

How do I know I'm cool? I'm not guilty of ANY of the shade Cider threw at Pasasun myself. That was a roast.

0:57 that's definitely a giant duck lol

Seeing Statice's face on the whoopie cushion I swore that was Shiver from Splatoon 3 for a hot second.

Waiting for the epic showdown of Pasasun vs. Zlatan.

When I raided in Guild Wars 2, one of my favorite raid bosses was a big lady with a flamethrower. She had a line AOE that targeted a random person and she'd spin counterclockwise and if it touched you, you were dead. instantly. if you knew how, you could jump over it, but it was pretty tight timing. Her boss platform also had a health bar and so it was a DPS race to beat her before the cannons around the arena blew up the platform. You could send people to the cannons to destroy them, but you needed someone to get a special action to throw a bomb at the player on a certain spot to launch them to the cannon, then they had to kill the cannon and fly back to the group. This boss also had three mini boss phases that were each unique, and one of them required you to stun the miniboss during a certain window or everyone got knocked up and back, usually off the arena. The boss also targeted the furthest player away with a very long lasting AOE puddle so usually the healer had to bait that and drop it and the boss did this basically every 7 seconds or so. The thing is, this isn't even all of the mechanics and the boss wasn't really even that hard. It's one of the first raid bosses they came out with, but I still think back on how many moving pieces there are in that fight and how increasingly chaotic and fun it got. Then I also remember how hard it was to get people who were actually willing to stop dpsing to go kill cannons and how even fewer of them could remember the order the cannons get killed in. Basically I guess what I'm saying is that you can create unique, complex, fun fights with their own mechanics but you can very easily create a scenario where no one wants to take personal responsibility, DPS don't want to do the mechanics, and everyone gets frustrated with each other as a result simply because some innovative designer thought this was a neat idea. tl;dr: game design hard.

I like how Statice's Auto Attacks has her whack you with the Gun as a melee weapon Also the (Another) versions of these give Thrash mechanics to the point some are actually boss fights

Regarding trash in old raids: I've often thought that the design of the Coils would've made more sense if each tier was one big long continuous duty with multiple bosses and trash/mini puzzles in between. It would've felt much more like "raids" in other games (which are more like bigger harder dungeons) as opposed to the modern FFXIV "raids" which are functionally just Trials with a different reward system. But because Coils was split up into a bunch of Turns per tier, instead of feeling like a big dungeon it felt like a series of boss fights with random timewasting bullshit at the start of a few of them. And going forward from there the devs just leaned into that and made future raids actually just a series of bosses with nothing connecting them.

I like how the Roegadyn bandit saw a big trash mob with only 2 small trash mobs, and decided something was terribly wrong and he needed to join in as the 3rd. Also, not sure if this was intentional on SE's part, but I remember people used to theory-craft that Lalafells were actually Allagan experiments based on some descriptions of fish you could catch in Azys Lla. Not sure if the weird Lalafell fish here is supposed to be a nod to that, although its hard to tell how much of that is just the localization folks going ham with the english descriptions.

criterions actually has really good and unique trash packs, which is a shame bc it feels like CBU3 considers interesting mob packs to be outside of the realm of regular casual gameplay. Other interesting trash can only be found in side content like bozja or baldesion arsenal.

Weekly progress report. Lalachievement score 17,095. Finally finished pushing trust NPCs to 90, in preparation for doing some DT trust runs, and picked up Bound By Hope. Otherwise slow week, got Reforged: Majestic Manderville Degen off Poetics. Also picked up Customer Is Always Right: M'naago III and the third achievement for running the M4N 10 times doing doing weeklies.

While I understand the use of guides for content sake, I am inclined to say a big part of the fun on Variant Dungeons is figuring out the paths by yourself. If you just look at the recipe and execute, it just feel like a big chore on the way to the 12 endings mount. The easy endings usually are the ones that give hints for the hard endings, and the hard endings are the ones that drop the hints for the secret boss. When you don't have a guide on the side, you aren't even sure which path is the one with the secret boss, and figuring things out involves a lot of experimentation. Said that, Aloalo secret boss is literally spelled out for you. I actually fought it before even unlocking all the endings, and took me a while to find out the last ending of the center path.

XIV is the only MMO I've played so far, and I'm getting curious about RuneScape since you talk about it sometimes.

I still have to do the secret route again and hope it drops it's TT Card.

At the time of my like we are at 646 hrs. which is 26.9 days! Man this is going to be a subathon for the ages! GL Spider~~~

Man, I finally caught up to the current week. I mean I knew it would happen, but dang. I look forward to staying at the current pace! Such a good series, especially just getting back into FFXIV as the goober I am.

I assume all the "1 big enemy and a bunch of small ones" packs are to accommodate the "deal lots of damage to one guy and a bit less to everyone else" abilities

Midnight spider vid sure why not I can wait to sleep for a bit

legend says… he’s still live streaming to this day

It's a magic liopleurodon Cider!

extremely funny to get a dungeon trash mob rant in the only content where they're actually tied to puzzle solving, granted it's only 1 or 2 per variant dungeon. i remember trying to solve Aloalo alone and absolutely losing my mind over the tree because i did it by *accident* once and had no idea what i did. in Sildihn i could *see the other path* but hadn't actually unlocked the ending that gives you the answer for the drakes so i had a run where i did it *almost* correct but accidentally killed the 2nd largest first by a server tick (thanks for all those automatic aoes, yoshi p) and then thought i had to kill them smallest to largest. but it's leagues above what the rest of the dungeon trash have ever offered besides "should you let the morbol seeds hatch in arum vale for more exp" and the answer was "only if you're in the exact level bracket where it would matter and even then, only if the party allows it" and now they don't drop exp at all so you're just wasting time if you let them hatch

I don't think its necessarily an issue with the mobs themselves. In other mmo's instanced dungeons have structure. The SPACE has a clear purpose. An area might be a kitchen or a factory floor. In FF14 dungeons most areas are not defined in that way they are all just arena's or paths to arena's without context. This would take very little effort to add and then suddenly the trash mobs would make sense in context. Furthermore there are group combat mechanics that can be added with the areas context in mind. A factory floor where the foreman barks orders if you focus the foreman you fight less trash mobs, a forge area where you have static furnaces that if you destory them first you fight less trash. The consequence of not doing them properly is really just time instead of a loss. tldr: adding purpose to areas will lead to trash making more sense and even lead to better mechanics.

Variant Dungeons also seem a good place to practice / play with jobs, you don't usually play.

I knew, after the island and the last raid series in EW, that DT was going to be full of radial cleaves. And to *no one's surprise*

As far as old mechanics go, the one I want to see retired is that checkered tablecloth AoE pattern. It was novel back when Gilgamesh used it but now it's like "Oh, this thing again."

I wish I could like this video more than once, one time for the content then another for the Blind Guardian shirt.

He is SITLL streaming, by the way. He has to put on a maid costume now. Thanks chat.

The magic fish of destiny indeed~

They've mentioned they're working on piecemeal massively improving backend stuff during live letters, they just don't really talk about it bc as we've seen across the entire industry most players whine if you talk about doing something and aren't doing something they can immediately see with their eyeballs

Patiently waiting for blue mage content.

I'm a simple man. I see Cider Spider, I click.

Not everyone hated the trash in Coils and Alexander. I mean, Faust was a fan favorite door boss.

If you have a collection of anything worth more than $5000 you should 100% add it to your household insurance policy.

oh no the tiny "TREMBLE" 😆

Great video, Cider!

I don't know about FF lore, but IRL humans are just a highly specialized type of fish.

6:24 well i mean atleast some of the packs are important for a finish of the variant dungeon 8:41 for me it depends on how often ... easy example could be one of the lvl 100 dungeons ... half of the mechanics there are just to confuse you xD but because of the theme of the dungeon it fits pretty well 15:24 for dungeons its kinda like a bit time to calm down ... but i would agree with you that there is something missing for them like earlier in the game when they give you money for mob kills in dungeons ... just SOMETHING xD i mean the money drops was by far not much ... but i still liked it even if we made a lot of jokes about these "+20 gil" all the time xD 25:40 "funfact" if you show the enemy casts in chat it shows you forever which chamber is empty .. XD

Hell yeah late night upload

Some of those Passun burns are hitting a little close to home, ngl

I am in general no fan of trash, but I can get into trash that is design like mini bossfights. The Criterion try to make trash more strategic with either boss mechanics oder stage hazards to make you move. The normal "spam aoes and wait" trash isn't fun for me. The only time I enjoy it, is in giant dungeon pulls where good mitigation spacing and healing is necessary to get through it. But sadly they removed a lot of them when reworking old dungeons.

Stranger from paradise? Well long as it isn't Stranger of Paradise. That should keep Jack at bay.

cannae believe you're namedropping woox

I think you'll like how the trash works when you get to the criterion and criterion savage versions.

Lalafish

5:26 wololo

I made it in the video!

TBH I think the sole reason for "trash" is just to pad the run time otherwise players would be completing dungeons "too fast". Granted they could put a cooldown mechanic after you complete a dungeon but yea that is annoying also. It really all stems from a progression curve and how fast they designed you to go through it. That said doesn't mean I like it, just understand the principle is all. Similar arguments are also around with the "quest arch types" in that there are only so many arch types. yea it sucks, but coming up with a new one isn't as easy as one thinks. Usually they end up being some variant of an existing type. TBH I prefer when the world "appears" to change because I did a quest. For example we need X resource so we can build a wall, after you finish said quest a wall is build. Same variant we need X resource to repair wall. After quest wow the wall is repaired. You can tie that into having local mobs constantly trying to "destroy" said wall so it seems more organic. Still a glorified fetch quest, but it seems to the players perspective less fetch quest and more inworld building.

1:26 Stop! Stop! He’s already dead!

Why did we need to exterminate this glasses man lamayo

Whatever the change for trash is, it should not be like the turtle in the level 99. More Giant pulls for 8.0!!!

... what kind of monster would have their TP roll under the roll?

I wonder when Cider will realize the final side quest is like a 20 point achievement.

2:29 best insult ever.

finally proof that coconuts migrate

Lol i made a cameo in the subathon cutaway! Cant wait to finish this vid and then go back to the stream for non-stop Cider action!

When I posted this Cider Spider had 66.6K Subs and that makes me laugh because I'm secretly still 12.

What I wanna know is how Aloalo has better Island Sanctuary music than the _actual_ Island Sanctuary.

I think the complaint about trash packs misses that there are some super casual players who would rather never see a boss...While most content creators tend towards raiding or glamming...they bias towards raiding and glamming, so there's very few that login for 1-3 hours after work, wanna do a dungeon or two, then be done for the night so they can focus on whatever other adulting things they have to do Could they still make dungeon trash pulls more interesting? oh yeah, for sure. But there are definitely ppl who like them how they are cause it lets them not have to think during their limited time playing but still lets them play content

I was literally just thinking "5-10 mins of the vid will be more trash pack/dungeon complaints like the last several videos" and then he pointed it out himself

Dungeon mobs should be how the mobs are in the criterion/savage version’s of the variant dungeons, they hit hard, have mechanics and u can’t just plot through them, but ppl would still cry

I need you to know how many things you say that are now memes in my house (and I'm the only player, the others are along for the ride). Two days ago, my brother came out of his room for work and told me "MAD BECAUSE AWAKE." Then he told me I was IGNORANT.... "I LEAVE."

there were no lalafell mermaids in this.

Lalafish!

There used to be a reward for killing trash mobs. It was called EXPERIENCE POINTS. /shrug.

Fish time