The True Origins of the Whale Probe, and Other Star Trek Secrets 

It's a shame Spock didn't communicate with Gracie again to ask WTF was up with the probe.

Oh so _that's_ why the Q catch the Enterprise in a big fishing net in Encounter at Farpoint: poetic justice.

Ok, so when this started I just thought it was fuckin wild. Now I think it is both wild and entirely plausible. Congratulations.

The whale probes better be the cause of the burn

but what color socks do the gormunganders wear

This is absolutely incredible. I want this set as hard canon. THIS is the insane crossover we deserve.

I love this. It is complete nonsense about a nonsense plot, but I love this.

Lets go to this planet to talk to our brethren that live in the ocean. Alien Whale name Corky: "ACTIVATE THE OCEAN VAPORIZING BEAM!!" Other Whale aliens: "CORKY NO!!"

Spock : Wtf was that probe about? Whale : Extended car warranty.

I always thought that the whales were somehow responsible for the probe, and the probe was like a communication device between the whales on earth and the whales elsewhere in space.

Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was "Oh no, not again." Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the Universe than we do now.

I just realised... Oamuamua was a whale probe!

And when the whales do leave... "So long, and would it have hurt you to let us have the fish?"

I'll make you one better: the q are not real, picard is just senile.

Insane ramblings, desperate attempt to connect things involving stretches that would make Mr. Fantastic proud, or a joke poking fun at some of the utter nonsense Star Trek can come up with? Or maybe..... a video essay trying to get a job as a writer for the new iterations of Trek!

I wanted to say something about how Q once said that the Q had always existed since the beginning of time itself, but it seems that might not be as clear as it sounds: this is from memory alpha: " The exact circumstances of how the Q came to exist was unclear. While Quinn stated that the Q were once not unlike humanoid lifeforms, Q implied that the Q never came into existence, but rather always were. (VOY: "The Q and the Grey") " Since we all know that everything that happens and is told in star trek is Cannon, the only possible explanation for all of this is: The sperm whale started on earth, they then evolved into gormaganders which allowed them to fly into space, since being a whale in space can be quite boring(Lack of hands etc.) they decided to evolve the ability to turn into the ancient humanoid's of TNG's the chase. you might think that being able to turn into a gormagander whenever you feel like it is a great party trick, since they all had this ability it got old fast, and so they decided to mix their own DNA with random animals they found the galaxy to make some inferior beings that were able to appreciate their abilitys (that's why they were called sperm whales; foreshadowing). this is why they eventually founded the "Cirque de Domain", a circus with which they toured through the galaxy showing off their shapeshifting skills, and showed off their trained Vorta-monkeys and "The incredible Beast of Jem'Hadar". But one by one the inferior humanoid started to ban the use of animals in circuses, the Founders even tried genetically engineering the animals into being able to give consent, but the inferior humanoids claimed that being genetically engineered to follow your master's every word is not the same as consent. because the founders were no longer allowed to put on circus shows, they all got very depressed and melted into a literal puddle. until one day they decided to conquer the entire galaxy to abolish it's anti-circus laws. they did a great job until one day some dude named sisko locked them up in a wormhole, where they remained for the rest of existence... because the founders would now be locked away in the wormhole forever and never perform their circus tricks ever again, they started to hate their lives. over the years they found ways to manipulate the world outside of the wormhole and planned their revenge. They send someone back into the regular world and give birth to Benjamin Sisko, giving him the worst punishment possible: life. but then they found out Sisko had a son and a wife and had a wonderful life, so they decided to throw him into the pit of hell instead. after this they stayed in the wormhole, until eventually the universe ended, and they were free at last. after the universe ended it was replaced by the exact same one. the spermwhales/gormaganders/founders/prophets now had access to shape-shifting powers, timetravel powers, and general-godlike powers and became known as the 'Q'. oh and also, sisko's mom is still around but she has the kinda thing like when white people say that all Asians look the same but with humans instead. that's why she calls the humans a brutal savage child race. sisko's mom is John de Lancie's Q. this makes that scene where Q lays in bed with picard kinda weird, because she still thinks picard is sisko. or atleast that's my Headcanon

Late to this party... but I was under the impression that the Q "have always been" according to Quinn and Q in that voyager episode. They were there at the beginning, they are there at the end.. they are there for every cycle. Soooo I doubt they started off as humpback whales.

There was a book titled “Probe” that is supposed to explain where the whale probe came from. I never got a chance to read it though.

You actually see a brief clip of a kinda half manta ray half whale looking creature in the “vision” sequence when they make the first time jump.

*hits bong*.. Q is a space whale

The whale probe came because contact with the whales was lost, so the time it arrived from the time it was sent would have been well short of 300 years. Also, I don't have an exact quote or episode number at the ready, but I'm pretty sure Q at one point said the Continuum has been around for billions of years.

I always believed humpback whales were God, at least since I was a little girl, I was a weird child

I'm glad I never did any controlled substance. If I were high while watching this . . .

Yup. Without a shadow of a doubt you proved it. Good gosh man. Also might I propose that you check out the Star Trek Novel "Probe" which goes into more detail on the Probes origin. 😄

This is just crazy enough to be shoehorned into canon!

"as I have proven here".... I hope this is a joke.

This is /r/DaystromInstitute/ worthy

Of course it was a test. A trick, just as Q playing God and giving Picard an alternative reality to experience where he was a coward. I like the theory.

I...really like this theory.

This is so nonsense, but, somehow, on some level, it makes sense. I feel like this could be an in universe conspiracy theory. Also, I've long since thought Q's race was linked to humanity somehow or was humanity, this would give that link. Watch out, Discovery writers might steal your arc and accidentally write a good season for once. Actually, scratch that, the writers for Discovery will never write a good season. But we can hope.

This is interesting, but I feel it's a bit over-thought. That a species of whale might get to such a point is one I'll gladly concede: I think there is a whale, or whale-like creature, in that probe. This suggests, even while we don't see it, that the probe Must use some kind of FTL drive or even a StarGate type of "jump" technology. WE are not alone in this thinking: I Heartily recommend the novel CACHALOT by Alan Dean Foster. Premise: Earth, realizing its mistake, transports all remaining Cetaceans to a water-planet and pretty much leave them to it. The ending will surprise you, some - and then...not.

It was sent by green peace.

canon

“These harsh living conditions would kill us within a generation so we somehow evolved over the thousands of years it would take to develop even though, as previously stated, the conditions to force this change would have killed us. Also, you’re going to find plenty of fossils that reflect the original form and evolved form but all the ones in between are going to disappear and you’ll never find any. Plus everything will at one point just stop evolving since the fossils of contemporary animals dating back thousands of years are exactly the same as the ones that are here now even though in order to evolve other forms of life would’ve needed to be constantly changing in order to survive and would have noticeable changes within 1000 nonetheless 10,000 years even if it takes 6 million years to completely evolve.“

There was a Star Trek book 'Probe' that covered the origins of the probe rather well. The crew of the Enterprise had to confront it when the Federation received a distress call from the Romulans after the Probe started doing what it did to Earth to a Romulan colony world. It even implied it ran across the Borg, which were the only species that was able to do any harm to it.

"So long and thanks for the fish" :D First t hing that I thought of

I'm pretty sure that the Voth/Hadrosaur species would have had to leave Earth long before humpback whales existed - less than a million years.

Nope. Not true. The probe is from a completely dif species that were LIKE whales. Read the novelization of this movie and your questions will be answered. Space is big - not everything is from Earth.

This isn't just the random ramblings of a sleep-deprived Trekkie -- this is FACT.

This is logical

I like your theory, but I was under the impression that the probe had arrived at Earth to determine why they had lost contact with the humpbacks. It is possible that the probe had traveled through a worm hole, taking many thousands of years off of its journey. That said, I really do like your theory.

The Humpback Qwhales? Makes sense...🤔

I think he got it from a Novel. but my father told me that there was a species of whale on a planet that was volcanic. and they developed telekinesis to breath without inhaling ashes. then used that power to build a probe that they used to visit other species but eventually went extinct because of their planets destruction.

The Whale probe looks like the giant transport ship from DUNE.🐋 🐳La ballena va llena.🐳

I see no reason to doubt this.

But how do the higher dimensional Koalas fit into all this?

Impossible gonna happen, in real life in the year 4675-5623, if we are still alive,,🦁

I do think the Space Probe had space whales, but I do not think they're gormoganders.

Whales building ships after some evolution is no different than the aquatic xindi species building ships

Seems legit.

A part for the Q theory (it's stated in Voy that Qs predates the big bang), all the theory looks good

I thought this was just going to be one of those shitty fan-theory videos. Thank God I was wrong.

This is the kind of nonsense I listened to in the 90's and early 2000's from Trekkie nerds. I miss this stuff.

... sure why not

I'd say that was one big fish story, but whales aren't fish, so, it was one whale of a "tail."

I love it ! Can I like this video more than once?

I stopped watching at the point Discovery and Lower Decks were referenced.

I wasn't with you at first with the Q thing... but this somehow makes actual sense. Good job!

There may be another alternative as well. They could have also been an alternate sentient lifeform that the legendary "Preservers" chose to rescue. They saw that this creature could evolve and perhaps even surpass what humans that the Preservers also rescued could accomplish. So they placed them on another ocean world. Perhaps even the world Voyager encountered where an entire planet's ocean was drained off the main planet and was reorganized into a gigantic forcefield held in orbit. Also, while the book is not canon, there is a reference to the Cetacean Probe, and it is radically different from the explanation in the video. In the book "Probe" it was confirmed by Spock, who had managed to meld with the probe, that it was built by a race of "Super Dolphins" that had been cruelly attacked by a "machine race" (The Borg) and their sun was made colder as an act of possibly spite by the Borg for either not submitting to them, or they managed to hold them off. They destroyed their moon, and began the "Second Winnowing" and summarily created the Cetacean Probe. It was designed to locate others of their race, and to hopefully ascertain if there are successful pods on other worlds. But the probe was also damaged by a Borg attack and the crystalline memory of the probe badly damaged. It did not consider humans or other species as intelligent, often referring to them as "mites". Spock convinced the probe to continue its search, but also to analyze the worlds for evidence of intelligent life and to control it's "whale call". Also, the probe is indicated to not only be FTL capable, but also having a speed that while slower than transwarp, is extremely fast at Warp 37. Also, in an alternate reality (Terran Empire) the same mission was attempted and while they were able to acquire two humpback whales, the whales apparently conveyed their suffering and the cruelty of the Empire to the probe and instead, this time it "transformed" the two humpback whales into massive war capable "death machines" who before being destroyed by Emperor Spock, they ravaged the entire Terran coastline and killed tens of millions worldwide.

This is simultaneously idiocy and absolute genius.

The xindi Mysterious Fifth race could’ve been the Q

Q said they tried to warn God creating the universe was a mistake.

Let’s not forget, “So long and thanks for all the fish.”

Wasn't there an aquatic specie that was part of the Zindee back in Enterprise series?

Oh dear, it must have been a slow news day! 🤣

where did the probe go? why didn't the federation follow it.

ouamaoumaou . just lettin ya know , they been here

So that’s what explains Coleman Trebor

The probe was like "Oh no, not again."

Correct

The sharks were partying too hard

How about the xindi aquatics.?

The probe could probably be xindi also

Ironclad logic.

*sigh*

So it really is all Q's fault. Damnit Q! XD

This is the kinda shit I want out of my Star Trek! Also I was expecting the whales to become The Prophets. But I must bow to your infallible logic.

Seems pretty watertight.

I know Star Trek evolution and real world evolution don't always line up, but when the Voth left Earth 66 million years ago, the ancestors of whales were still mouse-like creatures. An early whale ancestor, Pakicetus was still a terrestrial mammal 50 million years ago.

No, gotta disagree here. Btw, Quinn caused the breakaway of the Romulans from the Vulcans (as Q mentioned in “Death Wish”).

dude, put the bong down

And screw discovery

🤔 interesting theory

I like your theory.

Plus there's the giant water bubble in Voyager..

Here is an idea. What if the marine mammals like whales and dolphins were explorers from somewhere in the galaxy or even from outside this galaxy. They were a colony set up here after the Earth was ready to support their form of life. And when the home world lost contact with their colony they sent out a ship to find out what happened to it. That's when they came in contact with the Federation and the Romulans as it traveled to Earth. Their comms put out so much power that the only way to tamp it down was to send it into a very specific saline density like the oceans on Earth because it was very similar to their home world. But that's how I look at it, the story got picked up in the novel Probe that continued the story with Kirk and the gang. And of course the Romulans tried to destroy it if they couldn't control it.

Why would The Voth have anything to do with mammals? They rejected The crew of The Voyager.

Clever. The Q even punishes the beings who imprisoned the “space jellyfish”

I agree.

No

No.

Sounds plausible lol

That is probably the best idea about the origins of the Whale Probe. Fantastic!!!!!!!

Looks like you missed the Novel that talks about the probe. Its a great read.

My theory has always been aquatic aliens that can live on land and sea visited millions of years ago and wonder why they lost contact with the whales. I saw a video that speculates whales once had legs. So at one point whales could have lived on both land and sea.

This is great! I love it! This, THIS is where Star Trek needs to go.

👏👍

Keep in mind the whale species were canine-like in their beginnings.

Imagine being the marine biologist from IV and the trio of whales you hope to repopulate the earth with all just fucking ascend to the great koala in the sky.

Sometimes I think you don't believe the things you say you believe ;) BTW love yr channel