The rules are identical to a regular duel except: - High Level Monster are Summoned Without Tributes. This is called Dimension Summoning. - When Dimension Summoned you use your life force to determine the ATK and DEF values of the Monster. [Max Their Original Stats] - Players do not take battle damage. Except from direct attacks. - Monsters Destroyed by battle or card effect Deal Damage to the owner equal to the ATK/DEF it had on the field when it was destroyed.
It’s worth pointing out that in Duel Links, during Aigami’s unlock event, if you challenge him with Kaiba, Aigami says the surprise Obelisk summon can’t happen a second time as they’re no longer duelling in the Temple of the Kings. Duel Links obviously isn’t canon, but it’s an interesting detail the game thought it was worth bringing up. 🤔
I think you missed a detail for rule 7, when a dimension summoned monster is destroy (either by battle or card effect) you take damage equal to that monster's ATK/DEF. You still take damage if the dimension summoned monster is destroyed by a card effect. An example of this is when Kaiba uses Obelisk effect to deal 4000 damage to Aigami as well as destroy all of his monsters (which in this case is a 3000 buster gundil), and Aigami took 7000 damage in total. Imagine how OP Mirror Force would be if Yugi uses it in this movie
Holy crap finally found the answer to why he took 7k damage. I knew obelisk did 4k direct damage when his effect was used, but I never knew why he took the extra 3k. I just thought it was only if the monster was destroyed through battle. Thank you
Something kind of cool about DSoD is that all of the non-Dimension duels are basically by the book. Aside from face-up Defense position and drawing on the first turn (which isn't done anymore), they never really screw the rules.
Didn't yugi SET marshmaccaron, but still told kaiba what it was? Sentry soldier was summoned in defense, due to dimension summon, but I don't recall any non dimension Def summons.
@@proclarushtaonasat the card appears on the field face down, but Yugi clearly says he summons it in defense position, and there's a pop-up for its attack and defense, and the monster visually appears when the card is placed down, so... I'd say it was a defense summon, but there's room to argue.
Guys remember that the movie takes place in the PAST meaning BEFORE MR3 they are using the rules from their show, including the first turn draw rule, but with updated cards...
It's like the Ba and Ka from the final arc of the final arc. When the monster (Ka) is summoned, it's summoned using spirit energy (Ba). But if it's defeated, then that spirit energy isn't there anymore, so the user takes that as damage. That's an interesting way to bring that idea back for this style of dueling.
Yo, you right! We got the Ka-style back via Dimension Dueling... yet it feels rather off that they started the story plot via the '8th' Millenium Item... which just feels cheap.
One pretty cool detail about Dimension Duels in DSOD is that they more or less serve as a throw-back to the original Shadow Games we see in the final Millennium World arc. Dimension Summoning actually works quite a bit like the summoning of Monster Spirits, with the summoner using their 'spirit' to call and empower their servant monster, and then suffer injury/damage if that monster is destroyed.
Dimension summoning in a way seemed like a forced shortcut so kaiba and yugi could still just plop down large main deck monsters faster like modern dueling considering how bricky their aces and similar monsters can be usually being aided by plot driven nut draws or back field shenanigans
it was more of a way to make cubics viable in the movie. irl most cubics suck badly and barely work as intended but by changing the rules a bit their gimmicks actualy did something.
I still think this should've been called some kind of variation of a "Shadow Game." It even plays more akin to the ancient Shadow games than even Duel Monsters itself, with Dimension summoning using spiritual energy!
I just rewatched this movie, so this was a fun watch. Also, according to kaiba, his new bleeding edge, state of the art, high tech system allows him to access every card he has ever own, which would include obelisk. My guess was that because Obelisk wasn't being imitated by physical means and just digitalized (Cause otherwise him pulling obelisk is straight up cheating) means that Obelisk perhaps couldn't recognize that its likeness was being replicated. It could also be that since the Egyptian God cards went with Atem, they could no longer destroy anyone who replicated them due to them being in another dimension? and since only a few people know what really happened with the Egyptian Gods perhaps Kaiba was the only one brave enough to attempt recreating god. Personal theories are fun.
Wasnt there a bad guy with an Imitation Ra in GX? Which makes me think that "the gods are sealed away thus they cant be mad about duplicates made anymore" very valid
@@colmecolwag yes and Ra was mad as heck the only reason that guy could control it was because of a field spell he created.... which makes no sense since Ra would be immune to those anyway due to his anime effects kaiba was able to use the original obelisk card because obelisk chose him to do so obelisk wouldn't care that kaiba doing it plus in the movie it's implied that this isn't a copy but the real obelisk
@@jmansword wait are you saying field spells don’t work or just effects? We’ve had effects working on the various god cards including Ra. I think the only thing is they can’t specifically target them, but if they affect the field they work. This can be seen with Yugi vs Marik where Yugi uses Ragnarok to destroy all monsters including Ra. I don’t remember much about GX’s duels, but you said it was a field spell which those usually don’t target specific cards. Looking up the actual effects the card doesn’t seem to target Ra, it also doesn’t have any gaining control over gods description so that’s mostly just the anime wanting to have chains and look cool while not giving it the effect it’s displaying.
@@anthonynguyen1289 i'd assume so in the anime we never see anyone acutally use a field spell with them on the field.. so it make sense right if there is an instance someone does please tell me i could very well have missed something
The 8000lp, (or 4000lp buffer) was necessary for how Aigami was literally shaving off almost 8k during his opening turns for both duels he was in. (Not including his dark final duel persona.)
One issue I have with the dimension duels in the movie is that they say you have to use your spirit or energy In order to give your monsters attack points. But that's not really taken advantage of by any player. It's just an excuse to make the duels quicker and get their powerful monsters out faster. Would have been cool for yugi or kaiba in their duel to deliberately not give their monster attack points, or give it like half points so they wouldn't lose as many life points.
Yugi should have taken advantage of that mechanic when he dueled Aigami as if Aigami didn’t play cubic wave, Yugi’s Dimension sphinx wouldn’t have worked. So logically speaking he should have summoned lord Gaia with like 200, the when Aigami résumons cubic emperor, it’d be at 900 and still allow his dimension trap pyramid.
Seems like a surprisingly well thought out mechanic for something meant to just speed up the movies. I'd be down to see this implemented and given some support. Cards that let you go past 100% or restrict how high your opponents can get, that kinda thing
I think one point you did not point out (or atleast not completly) is that when a dimension summoned monster is destroyed you lose life points equal to the attack that monster CURRENTLY has. For example while Kaiba summoned all his monsters with 100%, Diva used the effect of a trap card to reduce his monsters attack to 0 and when Diva later destroyed those monsters Kaiba took no damage from the attack.
8:00 Kaiba got Obelisk by using his tech witch alowed him to just wish a card to existance since his all his "cards" does not exist, There is also a theory that Yugi never called Atem in duel against Aigami it was still Yugi but with power of millennium puzzle this is also why we never see Atem speak
While cool in concept , Dimension Dueling feels like it was written with convenience in mind. On top of the slightly updated decks, Dimension Dueling seems to exist primarily to speed up the duels a bit and to make Kaiba and Yugi's decks less bricky
Of course it's written with convenience in mind, duel-technically it's basically a modernized version of Duelist Kingdom duels, while story-wise it's just an excuse to pander to the fanbase by having Kaiba summon Obelisk again, and by bringing back Atem. Dimension Duels basically amount to nothing more than "early Yu-Gi-Oh! shenanigans: the Movie".
@@zimonzieclown1633 to be fair, the whole movie is just "fanservice: the movie" anyway. So its not that big of a deal. Still wish they'd given more thought to it or even ommited Dimension Dueling alltogether
@@Aruna_Shadows Well, yeah. Sorry for not pointing it out. I meant that he was not flowing his spirit in because he had no reason to. 100% of a zero is still a zero.
You seemingly forgot one rule, a player can (special)dimension Summon during the battle phase... Kaiba special summoned Blue eyes alternative during the battle phase which is not a legal move, I can excuse it for Aigami since his cards say that it can be done during the battle phase but BEAWD doesn't(fun fact:cubic monsters stack onto each other...doesn't that make the anime cubic monsters XYZ monsters that can be summoned during the BP?!?!?)
Or duelis road dumbass No one ; no one can defeat cubic trinity lord Rainbo neos effect Cyber angel dakin effect Skill drain Reverse glasses Traptrix night mare
The only reason yugi was able to summon Atem is because the puzzle was completed and it's possible that he wished for Atem to appear, as Atem is their final hope as Kaiba suggested. Remember the rules upon completion of the puzzle which will grant you a wish. So regardless if it happened during dimension duel or not, doesn't matter.
The idea of dimension dueling sounded really really cool to me when I watched the movie and I was a bit disappointed when later seasons did not do anything that ridiculous. Instead opting to link summoning and whatever was the summon gimmick from sevens. But I do understand why because dimension dueling is pretty much in a way kind of like what our dueling is in the real world so it would make no sense for them to promote a dueling style that we already have in the real world when in none of the previous animes did it ever become an actual thing. Regardless it's still a very interesting and cool idea and made for some pretty impressive visuals for the monsters when they do come out to fight. Great job on the video as usual TGS!
@@Blaze_the_cat_ OK thank you for bringing that up to my attention because I'm used to every yugioh season having a brand new gimmick which translates into the real world card game lol.
Hey Sam, love your streams and VoDs, I'm not gonna lie this mechanic made no sense to me because like you said, they never used less than 100% spirit but your breakdown helped alot lol
People always say it was a mechanic made to speed things up. To which I say, if they wanted to do that they would have kept LP at 4000, like they did with something like Vrains. I think Dimension Duels would be legit fun to an extent and I'm gonna see if anyone wants to do it :3 Thank you for explaining the rules of it as well
We need a Field spell called Cubic Dimension. Your Cubic monsters cannot be destroyed by card effects. If you control a cubic monster, you can draw 2 cards from your deck. Lvl 5 or higher monsters can be summoned without tributing. If a monster is destroyed by battle, inflict damage equal to their attack in addition to the damage.
Also not to mention there was no difference between a main and battle phase. THEN on top of that they never seemed to be tired from giving max spirit each time.
I would add a rule essentially a footnote to the last point TGS made that is essentially, "If your spirit is strong enough and with a viable connection, you may draw and will cards that are no longer in existence." similarly to how Kaiba summoned Obelisk and how Atem summoned Mahad(who's a dead spirit)
Kind of wish the ending was slightly different but still a good movie. I would have loved to see yugi pull out the win, maybe like before he passed out the ghost of atem would grab his shoulder and say, a champion should not be on his knees, as a call back to their duel. Then yugi with newfound strength does what atem did with atem's help. But that's just me. Good movie definitely worth the watch.
Yeah they had to find a way to get Atem in the movie instead of just the ending. I like that they made efforts to make Yugi alone look strong especially towards the end of the anime/Manga and GX, even in the movie he does beat both Aigami and Kaiba. Atem's appearance looked AWESOME but I agree they missed the opportunity to end the OG series with Yugi clearly being the King Of Games and defeating this otherworldly threat
Another rule that you would see with a better detail. Unlike the tcg/ocg rules with the cubic mechanic (the monsters that uses vijam(s) to be summoned have the effect of "desintegrate" to reform vijams and then search for another cubic monster from deck) you CAN summon the new cubic monster searched in THAT moment. In the movie aigami/diva attack with the first cubic to desintegrate in 2 and then summon the cubic that needs 2 vijam, desintegrate to 3 and summon the one that requires 3, that is a move that you can´t do in tcg/ocg because you have to summon the cubic ONLY ON MAIN PHASES. This hidden mechanic of summon allows diva/aigami to perform specials summons on battle phase. Even Kaiba special summon on battle phase (the alternative blue eyes), but because its a DIMENSION SUMMON you can do that
Honestly one of the best things you can do with this mechanic is to not give any spirit to monsters you are summoning purely for their effects (anything with an 'on summon' trigger, any flip effect monster, any monster you want to do something when destroyed etc) and save it for any big beater actually worth a darn. That, or playing very effect destruction heavy to exploit the fact that dimension dueling is effectively all burn damage. Makes you wonder, do cards and card effects that interact with burn damage interact with dimension duel 'burn' damage?
Real life equivalent should have the summons power depend on the amount of blood the summoner contributes to the summon to stick with the energy aspect. Each player has there own cup that sits beside the extra monster zone.
I'd play Dimension as a format for MD. It could solve many of Yugioh's old tribute issues while providing the game with new combos the devs didn't see coming.
Honestly, this explaination of how Obelisk and Atem returned kind of makes a lot of sense. As far as why Aigami, Kaiba, Yugi used full spirit to boost the attacks, I believe the writers did that to show off how strong they are as duelists. The is especially poignant for Yugi. It shows how far he's come since Duelist Kingdom. Also, it just dawned on me. Your room looks like Yugi's room because of the window in the angled roof.
My personal headcanon is that the Quantum Cube is an artifact created by an earlier version of the massacre ritual that created the Millennium Items. It's the "eighth Millennium Item" in the sense that it's a prototype/proof-of-concept for the later seven.
@@yunonasumi7982 Their anime/manga effects of the big Cubics allowed them to stack and summon themselves during the Battle Phase. This was not a Dimension Duel rule. Them being inherent summons is irrelevant.
Great video! I have another video idea, this question is in my head for a long time now: When and (more important) why did Yami Bakura change his plan regarding the millenium items? In the beginning of the show as well as in later seasons, Yami Bakura always states he wants to assemble all millenium items to free zorc (that's what he means when he speaks about getting ultimate power). But in the last season, he doesn't care about doing this in the present time anymore, although he could easily take all the items from Weevil and Rex. Instead, he gives them back to the Pharao and creates his Dark RPG. That is never really explained (as far as I remember) and so the complete motivation for his character in seasons 1/2 doesn't make much sense in hindsight. Maybe that's worth a speculation video :) thanks for your content anyway!
Dimension duel: you could go 0% to 100% atk/def in a duel, if it gets destroyed, you get dmg equal to its atk Me: laughs in Yubel terror incarnate, cries in ultimate nightmare
@@hedhehogsilver2996 Oh? you can destroy all monsters? very well then, I can just pull out yubel, sacrifice one of my monsters each turn, and laugh while you cry
Rather interesting ideas, might see if my brother would be interested in trying these out. Also, recently i've been getting into the Despia and Albaz archetypes, and was wondering if there would be a chance we'd see a lore video on those 2 anytime soon?
I heard somewhere the Pyramid of Light was supposed to be a Millennium Item, meant for Kaiba as a counterpart/rival to the Millennium Puzzle. So wouldn't Aigami's cube be the *9TH* Millennium Item?!?!?
Honestly, if I were to make anything like this, I'd just skip the whole percentage part of things and make it so that you have to decide what the monsters stats will be by simply stating the numbers (and obviously they can't exceed the monster's actual stats). Way less maths that way, plus it avoids the weirdness when you decide to give a monster with xx50 attack power an odd percentage, leading to it a certain amount of attack power plus half an attack point -- not to mention the madness that can happen when you take percentage decimals into account.
For the last dimension summoning mechanic, be it Atem or Obelisk. If we actually wanted to play something as wacky and similar. It could be one additional summon from your side deck, or say in a best of 3, a card that was successfully summoned in a previous round. Even if cards were swapped out for sides. If this is the case maybe side deck limit 6 and you must declare 3 potentual dimension summons from your side deck, so your opponent can counter the rng of the summoning. Spirit gauge for ease of usage, irl should be limited to 0%/50%/100%.
honestly there are some really cool Anime only mechanics that never got brought into the TCG/OCG and it annoys me, Dimension summoning/dueling is one, obviously, but another one is Accel-Synchro summoning, which was basically Synchro's version of super polymerization, major difference would be you could only do it with monsters you controlled, but it acted like a "spell speed 4" quick play effect, was really cool in 5d's am I'm still sad it never became real.
I think they should have made Spirit be a resource the Duelist themselves has to manage. Like for example each Duelist has a maximum total of 200% Spirit, which means they could summon two monsters at 100% Spirit. Or they could summon one at 100% and two at 50% Spirit. Then have this resource be refunded when a monster using Spirit leaves the field. That way you can't just 100% everything.
Yeah, I kinda asked myself the same question while watching the movie. Why did they came up with this mechanic just to kinda throw it away almost instantly by giving them 100% every single time? I have a possible answer, and that is because they're the protagonists and have a LOT of willpower and "spirit", and it does seem to require some mental effort to manifest it. That's also probably why Diva has beaten those throwaway characters so easily, no willpower = no atk for their monsters. I just wish they showed us a duel involving someone incapable of manifesting that much spirit energy, just to make it a bit more important that it ended up being.
Thanks for the breakdown video, it's really informative. I think this is a cool mechanic for the game play but it can be quite interesting if konami decides to try it out as a separate engine to play.
Is it possible for you to explain the story of swordsoul as I use that deck in tournaments and I have rarely been beaten so I would be interested in knowing there history.
So would you be near impossible to beat if you made you deck with mostly/only 0 ATK monsters? Yubel would finally be meta with Relinquished being a close second.
That last rule pointed out be like "Ok, pretty standard stuff. Right? Oh yeah, you can also access space and time to deploy multiverse Tokyo Drifting shenanigans. Welp! That about wraps up this video!" Me who wants to know more about how this children's card game can summon spirits of the dead: "Wait! What was that last bit?"
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