THE TRUE VILLAINS OF *THE EDGE OF SEVENTEEN* 

The fact that the movie ends with her finding new friends is the reason my soul can handle this movie

I hated how everyone gaslights Nadine (and as a consequence us too), they neglect so much her self esteem, mental health and feelings that my anxiety goes up every time I watch it. They make her believe that she is the reason of the all problems when she is still mourning her father's death (which was the only one she felt that listened to her and cared about her), then she losts her best friend and NO ONE cares about she expressing clearly how bad her mental health is, minimizing it like she is being "'dramatic"... the movie hits too close to home and it is a pure demonstration of how society sees these issues.

i can't believe no one apologized to nadine. i think her behavior was mild considering how shitty she was constantly treated by the people who should've loved and supported her most.

I hated her friend so much in this movie, wouldn't take her back. Also isn't it cute how Erwin makes sure she doesn't feel left out at the end 🥺

What kills me is when Nadine’s brother says that he can’t have the one person who makes him feel like he can come up for a breath of fresh air (Nadine’s friend/ her brother’s girlfriend) without destroying Nadine, even though he has literally been dating her and didn’t care that it was affecting Nadine.

One thing I appreciated was that unlike "The Kissing Booth", where Elle's mother's death had barely any impact on the plot, Nadine still clearly feels the loss of her dad, since he was the only family member who really understood her. Her struggle to move on past the devastating loss makes sense, and we see how it effects her. We also see how her mum and brother struggle to cope as well.

trin: threatens murder= unserious trin: slushie with rock salt= serious

THE FACT THAT NADINE HAS TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE AT THE END ENRAGES MEEEEEE I love this movie I related to Nadine so much and this movie punched me in the chest and made me cry in the best way possible

my girl nadine did NOT get the justice she deserved

If my best friend who I’ve known for YEARS dates my sibling who she KNOWS makes me feel like shit I would simply… leave. I would simply go. To space. For the safety of everyone around me. And then they ditch me when they MAKE ME the third wheel??? NO! No. No? N O. The arrogance of my supposed bestie and sibling.

The way the mother genuinely treated nadine horribly since childhood makes me so upset. The biggest apology should’ve came from her mother. Krista doesn’t deserve to be nadines friend and darian is just a piece of trash. Erwin I love w all my heart and soul he literally has me kicking my feet he’s so amazing.

The first time I watched this I got so frustrated! Everyone is gaslighting this girl into thinking that she is the problem when she is not. The brother is an absolute ass, and HE WILL emotionally abuse his girlfriend/wife later. I kinda started to feel like I was being gaslit throughout this film and it just made made me so upset. And that is why I love this movie, it's not simple.

I was so confused as to how easily Krista chose Darian over Nadine, it was so weird. Nadine attended a party she didn't want to and tried to be supportive but Krista just completely blew her off and cut Nadine out the moment she expressed her anger about that. What the hell

the mom literally pits nadine and the brother against each other which was the cause of every issue (except the friend) and nadine had to apologize for literally nothing

honestly mr. bruner is a goat of this movie, he's one of the few people who ACTUALLY LISTENS to nadine's feelings and obviously, he doesnt tell anyone else cause he respects that she's the one who will express her feelings to others like her family when she feels like it. also if you wanna watch A REALLY GOOD movie with paul rudd where his character has such a fantastically beautiful relationship with the main character watch the fundamentals of caring. its amazing.

Trin watching kissing booth: it’s not a big deal Trin watching edge of seventeen: it’s a big deal The difference: storytelling.

I have to say: I never saw Nadine as a villain, no matter how hard they tried to convince me otherwise. I always hated her mom and her brother for being so manipulative and selfish

I don't think I've ever hated a character as much as the mom like who tf says that to their child

Nadine's brother: "Yea ur hurting and shii but WHAT ABOUT ME. Bc u feel this way I cant get what I want so you whos really suffering. Your selfish to think about ur feelings and ur feelings are invalid" The Resolution: Nadine....apologizing?

I especially like how organic Nadine and Erwin's relationship was throughout the movie and the awkwardness was a cherry on top

Could you imagine if Zuko had to apologize for being petulant and moody to Azula and Ozai and the story just ends with them forgiving him. Could you imagine.

This movie is such a gem, and one of my favourite teen flicks of the 2010's. I love how Nadine is a flawed, relatable protagonist, and although she can be annoying at times, the narrative always calls her out on it, and she apologises to the people she wronged.

Literally!!! Nadine should have never had to apologise, her brother was never there for her and her best friend chose a guy (her own brother oml) over their years of friendship - nadine supremacy😽

It really depends on the relationship with the sibling. Nadine’s relationship with her brother is terrible, he treated her like garbage and she is completely justified. Lee was just jealous and possessive.

I remeber that scene at the party where Nadine's friend immedietly ditches her to hang out with Nadine's brother and his friends. I'm like wow, this breaks my heart. Nadine literally went to the party because her friend asked her too and she's trying to be supportive of her and her brother, and then she just IMMEDIETLY DITCHES HER. Like, wtf? And the whole time, the movie is trying to make us think that it's Nadine who needs to change and be better, but I'm like honestly, fuck her friend and her brother. I can't imagine my friends or siblings ever treating me like this.

Two months after my dad died, my granddad told me that my dad would be disappointed in the way I’m turning out and hearing Trin go on a rant at how evil that is really gave me some validation. Needed that today, so thank you Trin! ❤️

jokes on you we’ve already recorded with COVID😈

This is one of my favourite movies. The part where she's in the bathroom at the party after being ignored and she goes "why are you so weird" to herself in the mirror. I have done that, watching her do it made me cry

I was also very angry for her in this movie. Nobody was on her side that was supposed to be. Loved Woody Harrelson in this, real haymitch and Katniss vibes 🤣

the fact that her mother never apologized is kind of realistic. it can't all end well. some people just don't change especially parents

I was always so pissed off on Nadine’s behalf. People that are meant to be closest to her basically treating her like shit or at the least just not giving a crap about her feelings. And SHE’S the bad guy? Not in this life!!!

THANK YOU TRIN FINALLY SOMEONE WITH THE CORRECT OPINION WATCHING THIS MOVIE also the andrew garfield parallel is so true cause they both have me twirling my hair and kicking my feet

at first i hated how she doesn’t get justice or apologies from the people who claimed to love her in the end, but now i kinda get it. in reality, no matter how much we want it, we never really get closure or apologies from the ones who hurt us. and seeing Nadine apologize to them after being gaslit into believing it was all her fault was also sadly very realistic imo.

Personal favourite coming of age film. It’s a shame Bl*ke J*nner has tainted the film. That said, ending this on a positive. Hailee Steinfeld is incredible at everything she does. No idea how she manages to do it all. Been a pleasure watching her career the last twelve years and can’t wait to see what more she’s got coming. I know she belongs to the gays, but I’m literally in love with her.

This movie made ME think that i was being dramatic and annoying too cause i was struggling with the same things as her but THANK GOD we are all agreeing she had all reasons to be sad and mad cause everyone just treats her like sh*t and expect her to be submissive, like GOOD HELPS Nadine if she EVER went for one of her brothers friends 🙄🙄🙄

The guy who plays Erwin Kim in this movie is actually my neighbor. He always stops by to eat at the restaurant I work at and he’s such a chill dude. I would like to see him in more movies/TV I think he has some great potential roles. But yeah very genuine and cool dude.

Thank you for pointing out the mom thing!! Because ever since childhood the mom was obsessed with having a perfect son that Darien feels like he has to be perfect for his mom and then Nadine isn’t getting any love from either of them

The way this movie made me rant since it came out. Most of the dialogue around it is about whether or not everything is Nadine’s fault, and determining her “innocence” like that’s the problem. Why are we determining the innocence of the 17-year-old girl in the first place? Why does the responsibility of all this drama fall onto one person, and if it does, why her? Start from the top.

The difference between the best friends brother trope here and in the kissing booth is that Nadine’s brother is actually shown treating her like shit and being the favorite so he best friend dating him is pm approving that behavior whereas in the kissing booth, Lee is literally the only one who has a problem! Noah leaves him alone except to beat up ppl who mess/w him and their parents don’t seem to have a favorite. Literally, Lee’s whole problem is that he has an inferiority complex and wants to own Elle whereas Nadine is genuinely treated badly by her family and doesn’t want her best friend dating her bully.

ashley, dylan and trin collab when… that’s my hope for the new year

15:10 I cried so bad at this scene when I first watched it because I related so much. That anxiousness, felling like you’re a burden, hating every aspect of yourself, really hit me hard back then. Such an amazing coming of age movie!

did Nadine never mention how she felt about her borther to her friend?? Like her friend has to have known how their relationship was which is why it always felt off to me. as the best friend wouldn't she have known/understoof why Nadine was so upset???

trin trying to give covid to her friends she loves through the screen is such a trin thing to do don’t ask me why idk

The pool scene between Nadine and Erwin was literally the best YA Romance shit I've ever seen. Sweet and romantic, but still funny and awkward. Like wow.

Let's just talk about her "best friend" for once cuz the way she just went on with her relationship with Nadine's brother knowing fully well he was the reason why Nadine had insecurity issues, trouble socialising and having a good life at home in general. She knew she was Nadine's only friend and how Nadine was protective of her since she was the only person left after her dad died who actually cared about her and her life. She still didn't once consider talking to Nadine about it and giving her some time to see if she feels comfortable. She just went along hoping that it would be Nadine who would come back to redeem her friendship since _she_ clearly wasn't in wrong.

Omg this is my favorite movie of all time and I was just rewatching yesterday.

I have watched this movies at age 13, 16, 17, and 18. Everytime I watch it is was always with a different perspective. The first time I was young and also gas light by it, as I mature I realized nadie was treated so poorly and everything was blamed on her.

I always thought I was weird for feeling a tinge of anger on how everyone was just pissed at Nadine. I was like…but bitch, you’re with her friend??? And then krista leaves her at the party after inviting her??? The only people I liked were Erwin, Nadine, and the teacher. I liked the ending, but I don’t like how they made it “everything was her fault, but she grew from it♥️” nah. Lmao, the brother, friend, and mother were a bunch of corny bitches.

YOU ARE SO RIGHT I never realized she was supposed to be the villain wtf she deserved better but more then her I think Irwin did awkward asian boys have a special way to my heart also ilysm and hope you recover soon and feel okay!

What bothered me is that the brother's biggest problem is that everyone loved him or looked up to him lol it made me so mad when everyone made her feel guilty for being mad when her best friend ditched her for her brother.

I feel so big brain, the first time I watched this movie I could not stop getting mad over the fact that they really tried to gaslight us into believing she was wrong.

I know we all loved that the teacher was there for her but I ain’t gonna lie though, when he said “maybe nobody likes you”, I bursted into tears when I watched it the first time. Like if a teacher said that to me it would’ve been my final straw bro, I would’ve ended it all 😂💀

The actor who played the brother also was abusive to Melissa Benoist so it makes it easier to hate him

I was confused when I first watched this movie bc everyone made Nadine out to be the villain when in reality she was mourning the loss of her father, the one person she felt loved and cared for her, her best friend (her support system) ditches her for her brother who isn't nice to her at all and calls her dramatic, and her mom is manipulative, and she's the one who has to apologize? When her brother has that conversation with her about looking out for their mom and her after their dad died I was like really!? bc your sister has been acting out as a cry for help with her mental health, you took her support system away from her, and you pushed the figuring out of the drama of you sleeping with her best friend onto her and her friend when you are also involved in this conflict. Yes I know he has pressure to be support for his mom and his mom is going through a tough time too but that doesn't excuse ignoring your sister and calling her dramatic when she is clearly having a mental health crisis. I was mad that no one apologized to her and glad she made new friends at the end. After watching this reaction and reading ppl comments I feel better I'm not the only one who felt this way about this movie.Also I related to Nadine during this movie trying to navigate your best friend dating your brother bc I was in a similar situation.

Edge of Seventeen makes me appreciate my brothers a lot more. They avoided my friends and we avoided theirs. And in our mid-late teens, my brothers and I understood and respected one another. We had few petty arguments, we stayed together against my parents. My mum would try to say some shit about my brother staying in his room, I'd back up my brother saying that he could be reading or studying or playing a game, that he's not avoiding you. And they did the same for me. Siblings have to back each other up.

thank God someone agrees with i always thought they all owed each other apologies Nadine was not the only one in the wrong.

The mother needed to apologize the most. The fact that was never brought up almost left me with a very sour taste in my mouth. If I was Nadine in that situation I would’ve graduated and moved far, far away from all of them. The hell with everybody

Honestly I don't mind the brother, the mom's the real culpit. He has had to act as a second parent and in his mind, because this has been happening since they were young, he sees Nadine as the reason why his life is diffucult, instead of putting the blame on his mom

It is also so shitty, because the best friend knew, that Nadine always felt like she was living in her brother's shadow and was the second choice, and she STILL chose to sleep with him and choose him over her.

So I didn't hear a lot about this movie when it first came out so I was very skeptical because like you said this genre only has a few shining moments anymore, but when I watched it I agree that at moments it honestly felt too real and I found myself connecting with the main character so much that I was just silently crying by the end of it. I'm so happy someone else really appreciated this movie cause it truly does not get enough shine!

Erwin and Nadine are literally some of the best characters in coming of age films of all time ☺️☺️

This movie came out when I was really struggling with my depression both my parents passed away and I was living in an abusive living situation verbally mentally and physically and when I saw this movie I felt like even though I wasn't going to do the same things as the character in the movie I can understand that feeling of being alone and losing those people who you can't imagine spending a moment without and the fear of loss and I feel like this movie house me get through my struggles by reminding me that I'm not alone in these feelings this movie Very realistically portrays what it feels like being the scapegoat or feeling alone although I do feel like my character is very dramatic in this movie and a lot of the issues of hers was it's her own fault but at the same time I don't blame her for how she felt loved this movie I give it 100% and I totally recommend watching it at least once

This movie made me bawl my eyes out. I felt such a deep connection between myself and Nadine. I wanted to hug her so bad.

i like to think that after the movie, nadine moved away for college and just like,,,completely cut contact with everyone, sans her fav teacher and irwin, from her hometown & family. i feel like she really needs that & is justified in doing so

this movie means so much more to me now that i’m 17. it’s so raw and honest and i feel like it’s one of the only coming of age movie that truly reflects adolescence. I LOVE IT UGH

I was ready to FIGHT for Nadine the first time I saw it. Sure she's not great sometimes but damn I was on her side a lot of the time

i didn’t know i needed this but yes this is indeed a need. this commentary of the edge of seventeen is essential for our society to function.

One of the best teen-centric movies to come out in recent years, and I think every member of the cast works so well with each other. Hailee Steinfeld & Haley Lu Ricardson felt like a real pair of best friends that you hated to see fall apart. Hailee, Blake Jenner, & Kyra Sedgewick felt like a real, struggling family. Hailee & Hayden Szeto / Blake & Haley Lu had believable chemistry to both their couplings. And then of course Hailee & Woody Harrelson were fantastically enjoyable in their interactions as the desperate, (seemingly) over-emotional student and the teacher who "just wants to eat his lunch, damn it" but is ultimately helpful to her in the end. 😆💖

this movie is like the exact middle ground between perks and booksmart

I think this was the first movie I've watched with Hailee in and first became a fan of her👀😌❤️

I watched the edge of seventeen and when the brother makes his big speech about how he had to do everything and the friend is his only joy or whatever O had to take a step back because of how good he was at gaslighting Nadine

Oh, this is definitely one of my favorite teen flicks. I feel like Nadine and I are quite similar. I was so awkward back in high school and also wasn’t making a lot of friends due to my anxiety. I’m already in college now, but not much has changed.

It angers me that Booksmart SO NEARLY was perfect to me and then they ruined it with Miss Fine sleeping with her student. I know he was overage (the joke of the movie being that he was held back) but you’re absolutely right that the standard for films/tv with positive teacher and student relationships is so poor.

Omg I literally love this movie sooo much!! It's my comfort and go to movie whenever I need a good cry! Especially the scene in the car and the "heart to heart" with the brother just get me everytime! As you said just hits a little too close to home... And yes the mom is definitely the worst followed closely by the brother, the only thing Nadine wanted was to be loved and supported by her family and they just constantly dismiss her, it's heartbreaking. And don't get me started on Krista, that is not how a best friend should act. Like I maybe get like drunkenly hooking up with him, but after that you should have come to your senses and not continue seeing him. Especially since being Nadine's best friend you would have heard how shitty he was to her, why would you even want to date him? Just because he was like normal level nice to you for one evening? It just doesn't make sense... also I wish you a good and fast recovery!!!

When this movie first came out I was obsessed with it. I couldn’t stop watching it because I could relate to Nadine so much

The scene like the car one here or in eighth grade now watching the show as an adult woman. Both angry for my younger self and for all of the women and girls who have gone and will go through it. Suffocating is a great word for it, it's so all encompassing it's hard to imagine it changing. Men, step up and lead by example and call out misogyny.

this movie is one of my favorites for a reason and i think it's because it really hits home for me. you made a point that upon first watch, we all get gaslit into thinking nadine was the antagonist. me, upon first watch, i get so strongly attached to nadine because i saw myself as her. there was period in my life where i was always gaslit into thinking i was the villain in everyone's story, that i was somehow doing wrong by them through existing. and it sucks. and it's why nadine and her teacher and this movie as a whole is a comfort for me and a reminder that i am not alone and there will always be people out there who will be willing to listen to me and my struggles.

OMG this is one of my most favorite movies Haley absolutely killed it in this movie and I cannot wait to see you watch this because I think this movie fits your movie vibe.

Idk if it’s just me but I found it kind of weird when Irwin said “oh I was trying to comfort you” after he tried to kiss her when she made no romantic advances towards him. Don’t get me wrong I love that they get together rather than her getting with the fish aisle dude but idk I find it weird when people try to take advantage of someone’s sadness to be romantic if that makes sense

I like the fact that she apologizes even though her brother needed to do it even more, because she got rid of the weight she was carrying around on her shoulders and quitted being victimized by others in order to save her own happiness. Punishing others for their actions no matter how shitty they are is never gonna make u happy. I learned this the bad way too 😅

I don't see anyone commenting about 1:15 - 1:25 ?? is only me, that I can't hear anything Trin says? lol

I love this movie so much. I love the rawness of it and how they show all the characters flaws. The scene when the brother and nadeen were at the teachers house was so well done. GOD! This movie is so good.

This is one of my favorite coming of age movies. I’ve seen it three times! Hailee Steinfeld does a phenomenal performance and the movie really captures teenage angst and emotions.

so happy bc this movie its literally the representation of my lame life and nadine its basically me, and at least I know that Trin would support me for the things that I have been through

I wanted to scream when I watched this bc I felt the brother was borderline emotionally abusive for no reason and for some reason she.... apologizes... to him....

As an older sibling I REALLY wanna defend the brother but at the same time he was a big ol asshole in this movie. If even felt that my sister was going through some shit I would not be gaslighted the fuck outta her and her feelings calling her selfish. I understand he and her BFF can’t help but fall in love I guess but at the same time it had to be her? The one person you’re sister relies on and then you go and take up all of that persons time when you know your sister has no one besides her?? I guess this made Nadine step out of her comfort zone and learn no to depend so much on her friend but as a big sister the brother took a low blow with that man

when you mentioned ash my heart almost died love y’all

I can’t stand this movie simply because they make it seem like Hailee Steinfeld character is unjust in her behavior😭

See, I feel a lot of sympathy for Darian in this film (though I dislike his actions); but their mom? She's *cruel*. Despite her "growth" at the end, I just can't stand how she treats both of her children, not just Nadine.

Hope you recover quickly, Trin! Also, love when creators I watch reference one another, but also hope they don't catch covid.

9:12 When she mentioned the rock salt that literally reminded me of a Glee reference when Sebastian threw a smoothie at someone with rock salt.

Bro not Trin mentioning Aaron and Jo, Dylan is in trouble, and Ash!!!!! 😊😊😊 I can’t 💛💛💛

trin delivered an oscar worthy monologue at the end while having covid…nobody does it like her

The way that this is literally how I feel about this movie and it makes me so frustrated that nobody I’ve seen this movie with could see that Nadine was so relatable and neither her “best friend“ or her brother were good people to her and actually couldn’t even apologize makes me so mad

felt this soo much when watching it in theaters. I remember leaving so angry at everyone except nadine. my heart broke for her and couldn't understand how her brother and mother couldn't see what was going on with her and how, in the end, nothing ever really changed from beginning to end except she ditched her friend for better ones.

from the thumbnail alone i just know youre gonna say exactly what i was thinking the entire time i watched this movie

I think Nadine was wrong for a lot of things, but I don't blame her for some of her actions. I think the problem was her putting absolutely everything into her best friend. It's not healthy and probably why her friends tried to take a break from her tbh

basically one of my favorite movies from the 2010’s. And also like thanks for having the right opinion on this movie too. I could talk about this movie FOR HOURS

"I cant take that song seriously in scenes" reminds me of the song "all by myself" my mom finds this song sad and touching but all I can think about is the show's it's been used in for comedic effect.

Nadine was so lonely she ended up finding comfort in her English teacher and telling him all her problems. She was never the villain.