Honestly I think Patrick and Brad are more tragic rather than frustrating like most “bully with internalized homophobia” tropes because Brad doesn’t get together with Patrick after bullying him, but rather him bullying Patrick breaks them up, as it should, so it’s not justifying/forgiving the bullying the way other media does
I remember when I was so young and watched the movie, I had so much rage for what Brad did. I rewatch the movie often. I’m 21 now and I have so much compassion for him. It wasn’t right what he did to Patrick, he should’ve stopped his friends from beating on him too. But it is way easier now to imagine the pain he was in and empathise.
this movie treats charlie so gently. like the movie really really cares about him. it puts him through a lot but it lets him learn and lets him screw up and lets him be forgiven and find love and heal. i just love when characters are treated seriously, even when they're young and messed up. i wish real life was like that
I'm gonna be honest and all because this subplot is one of my favorite aspects of the book but the fact that Patrick is cannonically the top lives rent free in my mind because we love a man who isn't afraid to be all parts of who he is
charlie letting patrick make out with him bc he was upset about brad bc “that’s what friends are for” really showcases how charlie understands consent. he doesn’t like Patrick like that, he doesn’t like boys, he “just lets him” bc like his aunt, he interprets he should just let things happen to make the other happy, even if it makes him feel used.
A lot of the time movies will make a single or group of traumatic events the core and main personality trait (like if a characters parents died their main trait is of an orphan) but by letting the audience understand and get to know Charlie before telling them the trauma gives a more realistic representation of real people who have been through trauma (**in my opinion)
Neta Shapiro in the book it’s outright said that she did molest him. She had abusive husbands or had been raped so she wasn’t in a good state of mine either. But instead of realizing that it was bad what she was doing to him he was too young and just thought that she loved him but it ended up leaving obviously huge traumatic memories for him
When nina dobrevs face drains, it crushes me honestly. Idk why that scene sticks out of all the powerful scenes but that phone call is the one scene I've never not cried through. Hopelessness, no way to get to him.
@@emilwallin1176 She's talking about the end of the movie when Charlie is having a breakdown and calls his sister before it cuts to the scene of him in a mental hospital.
I really appreciate you admitting this movie has subjects you dont feel comfortable analyzing instead of spreading misinformation and i hope you realize this doesnt make you dumb, youre incredibly intelligent and funny and thousands of people love the commentary you do the way you do it
I like that the writers let the audience unveil his secrets and obstacles over time, almost like an outsider's perspective. He reveals more and more as the movie goes on, almost like him getting more comfortable and confident and gaining trust for his loved ones. As Charlie gets closer to finding himself, he and the audience find his secrets along the way. Things he had buried deep in his mind and didn't want to deal with. It's like you're going on the journey with him.
Omg this is so interesting!! I can kind of relate this to the movie BANDSLAM (I hope Trin considers reacting to this masterpiece haha), except this applies to a secondary character instead of the main. I love this way of story telling coz it keeps you engrossed with the characters.
I completely agree. I truly think that the way that the writers and videographers planned out the scenes was brilliant. I didn't feel as if I was directly being told the story. I felt like I was seeing everything from his perspective (kind of as if I was living out his emotions and thoughts at the same time he was). I feel like by doing this, the writers meant to bring us closer to Charlie's character and to make us try and understand what he was going really through.
I dont think it was Tumblr so much as the societal misconception that anything that is too popular - especially with a predominantly female audience - is automatically lesser in value. It was overplayed and shared everywhere for a reason. It had messages many resonated with for a reason but rather than see it for what it was it was labeled as vapid and without substance for some people. I once had a discussion about the film/movie with a male friend and when I explained all the topics it covered he was actually surprised.
dalilu her it’s strange to me how often people just form an opinion on something without actually giving it a chance. Maybe they heard something bad from their friend, but even still, I think it’s important to form our own opinions on a piece of media. There is also, like you said, the problem of society writing off anything with a predominately female fan base. Since Tumblr is generally thought of as the place for teenage girls to discuss their interests, even though it isn’t just young women in the site, society again looks at that and assumes that those interests are unimportant and vapid by default. I read the book at sixteen and really loved it. But I didn’t really talk about it to anyone because I felt like what I had to say didn’t matter; I don’t talk about certain things I like because I how I’m perceived. I’m just now at nineteen figuring out that I do have important things to say. Anyway, sorry for the long reply; I hope I didn’t bore anyone, and that you all have a wonderful day! 😊
@@daliluher9435 Tumblr is known for romanticizing depression, anxiety, and other mental illnesses so I don't think its that much of a stretch to blame Tumblr for making the movie seem like a fake deep teen flick.
@@tayty4816 How would that make it seem fake deep and bad tho? Like the film was definitely popular on tumblr, and with that, over-gifed and sometimes romanticized, but that doesn’t make it fake deep. The majority of tumblr users at the time were teenagers and probably mostly girls and because of that most people just assumed that everything that was popular on tumblr was bad. That part wasn’t the actual tumblr users fault.
as someone who has repressed memories of childhood trauma, this movie was the first step into realizing it. i haven’t been able to bring myself to watch it since. but trin’s commentary helped me get through it. for the most part anyway. love ya trin.
I’m so glad I saw this comment because this was exactly the same for me, I still didn’t realise fully until the start of this year though and now I’m in trauma recovery/therapy working through it
You were talking a lot about people confiding in Charlie and Charlie having to keep their secrets, something that was cut from the movie but is another example of this is his sister Candace getting pregnant and Charlie taking her to get an abortion and having to keep that from his parents. Also Sam saying stuff about putting everyone else first and calling that love hits me so hard and I think it’s underrated quote. I’ve also seen people say the ending of the movie is anticlimactic but I kinda think that’s the point the ending isn’t supposed to be some big revelation or big message about life. I’ve always interpreted the end like it’s supposed to leave you with a feeling of hope that yes life will be hard but it does get better idk just my thoughts.. also sorry for this long comment lol this is my favorite movie and book :)
Yeah to me the ending is cool because... it's not an ending! Characters don't like die at the end of a story, but in a lot of movies it's like they either have it all figured out, or it's a tragic ending and everything is shit. In this movie, you can see that some things are sad (his friends are moving on) and some things are good (he's mentally better) and that it's gonna be like that, bad and good, for the rest of his life, of everybody's life. I really love it
I love what sam says because, in the book, you realize it is not just about ending up with nothing but more like being in a passive move always and thinking that's the right thing to do if you want to help someone. when you put other first, you are hurting yourself as you let anyone goes over you, as much as you are hurting others for letting them do the stuff they (in a moment of despair) believe is right or what they deserve. i think sam says this after she finds out the Patrick and charlie's hangouts at night, and she is right, he was being dragged by Patrick and he thought it was fine since he was making him company in a bad moment, but you have to stand up for yourself and to stop a friend that is being self-destructive in order to help them. love is what you take into action.
The best thing about this movie is that the author of the book wrote and directed it. It's completely his vision. Another great aspect is that the book was written in the 90s, and the movie takes place in the 90s, and it follows the rules of the 90s unlike a lot of movies or shows that come out now a days that follow current rules regarding sexuality/race. Like Hollywood that rewrites how people would act surrounding homosexuality in the 50s, this one is more accurate.
Yes after watching the movie and reading the book you can really tell his vision was there both times. I’m glad he got to put it in the perspective he imagined. It makes for both a good book and good movie.
Honestly the way you address very complicated topics like abuse, sexuality or mental health while admitting your lack of understanding and knowledge is so mature and impressive to me
all the things that trin said were just so wholesome. my heart was filled w joy after watching this video. also, her putting in the trigger warnings made my respect for her surge to a higher level. ps- i love the fact that she mouths or speaks along with the quotes she likes in movies. that’s something i do too!
Logan Lerman is painfully underrated and I love him. Ugh this movie gets me, all the tunnels scenes, all the one liners. This movie is infinite. I NEED to see logan lerman more! He was the greatest.
i’m kind of sad that they didn’t put in the scene where candace tells charlie she’s pregnant and he goes w her when she gets an abortion bc i feel like it’s important enough to add in and to show just how much people confide in him without realizing that it makes him feel like he can’t burden anyone w his problems bc he feels like everyone around him is suffering and he never wants to add onto it so he does his best to be there and show support and always puts everyone else before himself
the film adds to the sense of immersion by not revealing charlie's backstory at the start because it's real that when you meet a new person, you don't know anything about their past or the trauma they are carrying. they do the same with patrick and brad, and with sam. the audience gets to know what charlie feels comfortable revealing to us. also this is my all time favourite high school movie bc it feels like a memory and it fills me with nostalgia for an experience i never even had ooooooh i love this movie sm
I love trin but we should praise her for other things because at this point putting a trigger warning is the bare minimum, and everyone should be doing that.
We love a "Im going to stay in my lane- Queen" As someone who deals with BPD I adore that you decided not to comment on a topic you dont know about !! very responsible of you!
I didnt have any close friends for a long time just school friends that i would feel awkward talking to if we werent in a group chat. Litreally for two years i barely left my house but eventually i got lucky and i have one close friend and its so nice to feel comfortable and and enjoy someone elses company. I didnt think this would ever happen but it did. Your time will come be brave be confident even if u have to fake it till you make it.
I love how the author of the book was the director of the movie. The movie is so loyal to the book (in my opinion) that I don’t think the movie would have turned out so well if he wasn’t involved. I think both the movie and the book seem personal to the author, which is what makes them both so beautiful and tragic at the same time. Did that make any sense? Idk lol, I just think there’s a deep sense of nostalgia in both the book and the movie, which we all can relate to in some way.
literally just yesterday i was looking for commentaries of this movie and was sad there wasn't a lot and the next day you post this!! ahhhh!! tytyty for watching this movie its so underrated
Perks of Being a Wallflower is one of those films and books that truly endures because it really captures the darkness and the beauty of growing up. I can't believe it was first published in 1999, because I was able to relate to the book so much decades later as I was going through high school.
When Trin said Logan gets high in every one of his movies I was about to argue about sweet lil Percy Jackson and then I realised he got fucked up on Lotus Flowers so I’ll just sit quietly instead :)
me, listening to trin talk abt how she wouldn’t go to a football game alone, as someone who has done just that: 👁👄👁 it is really anxiety inducing though i wouldn’t rlly recommend but i did have fun, the band kids were nice 2 me lol
I haven't made any friends in college yet, since I'm very shy and awkward, but I always try to go to events. Even if I don't talk to anyone there, I still stepped out of my comfort zone and I know next time I'll be less anxious about going and I might even work up the courage to talk to someone :)
I wanted to date her the whole movie like the whole time Charlie was explaining why he doesnt like her, I was just like "This makes me like her even more!"
The amount of times I've had the exact breakdown charlie has at the end is tragic. Seeimg myself in that, right down to the mannerisms, was hard to deal with, but this movie hits me like no other and will always have a place in my heart
this is one of my favorite books and i’m so glad the movie adaptation turned out great. there’s so much substance and heart and it rlly fleshes out the characters which i think is relatively difficult for book adaptations to do
The line “Touch my friends again and I’ll blind you” is one of the best movie lines ever. Loyal characters make me happy because there are few truly loyal people out there.
Even when it’s just a commentary, when it comes to this movie, I’ll cry. Reading the book and seeing the movie just tore my heart. I can relate to Charlie, just feeling so much and feeling helpless on what to do about it. And seeing my friends and sisters suffer in relationships with horrible people but no matter what you do you can’t fix other people. UGH I DIDNT WANNA BE IN MY FEELINGS TONIGHT
I think the relationship between Patrick and Brad is part of the theme of you accept the love you think you deserve. They’re all essentially living through that. Even if that’s reflective of how they love themselves.
When I first saw the movie it took me a second to fully understand what he went through and what he was going through towards the end and once I realized I was just so shocked. I respect the writers and others for allowing us to figure it out on our own and doing it in the way they did.
I was having a panic attack and this video helped me so much to calm down. Your voice is very soothing, and this movie is like a comfort movie for me ( i know it deals with traumatic stuff, but i relate to charlie so much and it brings me comfort even if it triggers me a little). I know you probably won’t see my comment maybe? But thank you. I was about to do some stupid shit and your humor and kindness stopped me from doing something dumb.
thank you so much for doing this movie, trin. the way you talk about it is just beautiful. perks is my favourite movie, and i just love hearing other people talk about it the way you did. thank you.
i see trin, i click trin’s videos are one of the few reasons i have been able to survive quarantine. also perks of being a wallflower is one my favesss
I read this book back when I was in high school (over 10 years ago *shudder*), and then saw the movie when it came out in my early 20s. Now, watching this review as I'm about to hit 30, all that nostalgia and emotion is rushing back. It's still so good, definitely a classic!
Trin, don’t even worry about other people’s analyses of this movie because yours was truly unique and I loved everything that you chose to highlight and the way that you analyzed specific quotes and applied them to life and in doing so giving advice. Keep it up :)
The thing is in the book, from my perception, is that when they mention Charlie’s friend who passed away the author hinted that his dad might have killed him. That’s just how I read it though, I’m not sure if it’s true but it adds another layer to his friends death
I do adore this movie, and the book. As much as i want to rewatch it; i feel like it would be a bad idea. As someone who has been through all of the same issues as charlie, i can confirm that the representation is INSANELY realistic. i both love it & hate it, and i’ve seen the movie so many times.
I literally broke down when you said you shouldn’t feel bad for not being able to handle other peoples secrets. I go through every single day feeling like I can’t catch my breath and you made me realize that I carry so many secrets and burdens of other people and I can’t mentally handle it. I have secrets of my own that suffocate me and I was completely blind to how much this affected me since I was a child constantly keeping my parents secrets and all their problems I had no business carrying around for the next 20 years.
“And you go through life thinking ‘why is it other people before me?’ And you did that to yourself, really.” Too real for me too real yikes. Who needs therapy when you can watch a Trin video?
I love this movie, specially when Charlie says that he feels infinite, because there are moments in life when i am with friends or family and everything is good, having a good time and I'm like truly happy then I rebember and say to myself I feel infinite, like a moment of pure joy
wow, I was only 13 when I watched this movie for the first & only time n didn't pick up on or appreciate a lot of things in this film, like the fact that everyone confided in him & how it paralleled to his aunt sayin "this will be our lil secret," or how just impactful charlie's first kiss was, or how great the quote "we accept the love we think we deserve" is. this is one of the reasons i love watching your commentary cause you seem to really appreciate the movies you like n give me a perspective i might not've had before. i love hearing people who enjoy movies explain what a scene means to them and why. i need to fully rewatch this now that i'm 21. :)
“I’m grateful to this movie” I feel the same way. Trin I loved all your comments! I love that your commentaries are always so honest...that is something to admire! I wish I could say everything that is on my mind without being afraid of what others think. I hope you continue making these really good movie commentary!🤗
I like that you pointed out that he has to hold everyone else’s secrets and troubles as well. I didn’t notice that when I had watched it before on top of his own heavy secrets.
the surplus of serotonin i get from the last scene is so indescribable. it’s so fulfilling to finally see charlie so happy after literally the worst traumatic experiences. he deserved the happiness he craved so badly throughout his life and finally got it. it’s just cinematic excellence.
@@eleanorm3356 oh no I was talking about when she was like "I feel like he shouldn't be doing this (she refers to the Rocky Horror Picture show) because he's a freshman" lol
i've had severe social anxiety since i was a little kid and when I read/saw Perks in high school, it was crazy because I've never felt so seen and like someone understands. i still go back and read parts of the book when i'm feeling really down. im excited to see that you did a commentary on it :)
when u said that always counting love as selflessness is self destructive bc you start to think why is it always someone before me i cried a lil bit because that's what I've been doing since i was like 7
this video made me cry so many times - they were good tears. i felt what the characters were feeling and what they were saying. i felt your comments, especially the one about selflessness. this video was beautiful.
it’s such an accurate movie. i have ptsd and i watched this movie when i wasn’t diagnosed and when i watched it i knew whatever was wrong with charlie was also wrong with me. never brought it up with anyone but i always remember the first time i watched it.
Fun fact: in the book Cadence gets pregnant and that’s why ponytail Derek hits her, she also gets an abortion and it was going to be included in the movie and I think it was a really nice scene between Charlie and cadence . I don’t know wether this is true but I think they took it out because if it was put in the movie it would up the age rating to a 15
the perks of being a wallflower is and will always be my absolute favourite movie and book. it is a beautiful story that showcases the ups and downs of a teenager’s life and makes me cry every time i watch it.
This movie deals with mental health and understands how debilitating it is for people. I think trin handled the subject really well, snaps to you girly
