The TRUTH About Katniss and Lucy Gray | Hunger Games Film Theory 

Y'all we are having SO much with the Hunger Games! Hope you are enjoying it!

Honestly, some authors deserve more credit than we actually give them. The way Suzanne tied everything together, and all the songs, and the way she wrote the characters. Idk if I’ve ever been so fascinated by characters like this before. I think she did a brilliant job!

Could you make a video theorizing what would have happened if Haymitch went into the quarter quell with Katniss? I thought I would be a interesting video, since it almost happened and would have created a whole different story. Thank you love your videos!

I have a feeling the Hunger Games What Ifs are around the corner. Here are my favorite ideas: - What if Gale was chosen instead of Peeta? - What if the 75th Hunger Games weren't shut down and ended normally? - What if Katniss killed Snow instead of Coin? - What if Peeta was rescued from the Quell instead of Katniss? Prim actually competing in the 74th Games would almost be a good one, but I don't see her making it past the bloodbath.

I do find it interesting that we get a mention of Katniss’s maternal grandparents as the owners of the apothecary in 12, but nothing about her father’s side 🤔

First two theories required a lot of suspension of disbelief imo but this one is air tight. Never would have considered it but it makes sense and adds to the lore of the story without making it feel corny. Maude Ivory fits way better than Lucy Gray as a Katniss ancestor.

I personally believe that Maude Ivory was Katniss' grandmother and that Coin could've been Lucy Gray's child after she made it to district 13. I especially see it in Coin's final speech before Katniss is suppose to finish off Snow. We've never seen Coin be so theatrical so maybe she was reveling in her mother's memory and spirit before avenging her. I believe that maybe they did have music when Coin was growing up. But after her daughter and husband died (and probably Lucy Gray too) from the small pox epidemic in 13 she could've grown cold, not seeing a reason to continue having music or celebrations. Although I do believe that the gray suits in 13 is a textile conservation situation it could also be a constant reminder of what Coin's fighting for, for Lucy GRAY.

Let’s not forget about the house by the lake that Katniss’ dad takes her to sometimes. Could that be where Lucy Gray made a home? Close enough to 12 that she could go back if she ever needed to. Maybe meets a fella at the Hob? Has a baby boy at the house by the lake in the woods. That would explain why Katniss’ dad was so comfortable in the woods. He grew up there. That would be why he knew it was easy to enter and exit 12. That would be why he made it a priority to teach Katniss how to survive in the woods so young. Maybe Katniss’ dad lost his mother (Lucy Gray) at a young age and was forced to return to district 12 himself. Or while trading herbs and such, he fell in love with the daughter of the apothecary shop owners and decided to stay. Making Lucy Gray was her paternal grandmother.

I think that Maud(e) Ivory is Katniss’ grandmother, as she has the ability to memorise a song after hearing it once, and the Hanging Tree is one that Katniss was taught by her father, even though it was no longer permitted in District 12.

I do think the existence of The Hanging Tree in both stories is conclusive proof that the Covey is related to Katniss in some way. I suspected Maude Ivory while I was reading. I'd love like, a snippet or novella from Snow's POV in the moments when Katniss specifically reminds him of Lucy Gray. Reading TBOS&S really does make you think the Rebellion was in the works for years and Katniss was the perfect Snow Distraction target.

I love the hunger games theories. I had wondered if Maude Ivory was Katniss’ grandmother and this totally makes sense. I love the idea of her dad’s last name used to be Evergreen.

I love how The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes is so interconnected with The Hungers Games. Snow remember all of the songs that Lucy Gray sang as well. Some he never liked. And you know that the moment he heard of the District 12 girl's name is Katniss. He is thinking of Lucy Gray's explanation of the word. Therefore; thinking of Lucy Gray. And throughout The Hunger Game trilogy, he is being constantly reminded of her somehow, someway. Moreover, as we may have noticed in the prequel, Lucy Gray has a way of not letting Snow think clearly. So with Katniss unknowingly reminding him of his ghosts, with her name, with her songs, with her actions; Snow makes decisions and acts out accordingly based on his love and hatred for Lucy Gray. Why would Snow even bother to visit Katniss in her home after all? He made it very clear in the first book that he did not care for "underdogs." They are beneath him in his mind. I believe it was the Mockingjay pin that threw Snow over the edge. He had to know. Had to know if Katniss was related somehow. And thus began his downward spiral of decisions.

I think that Lucy Gray Hung herself in the hanging tree and exoected Snow to join her. When Corolianus arrives at the tree he can, at first, not see her and then he suddenly does. Everything that happens after that reads like a fever dream. At the end of it he's suposedly made the trek to the lake back and forth, but when he gets back to the base his bunkmates hasn't even woken up yet.

When Katniss spins on that dress I feel a decade younger and I cry.’

I wish to have a theory about what happened to have Tigris hate Snow so much that she would join the rebellion to kill her cousin

Also the mayor was after Lucy under the belief she killed her daughter. Which is one of the reasons she also left. Because if she stayed in district 12 he would have killed her. So not only would she have snow on her back but mayfairs dad (the mayor) as well.

Im convinced this theory is actually canon. There was enough evidence in the books and also i love that the covey continued to torment snow through katniss 😂

I just finished a video yesterday about this topic 🤦🏻‍♂️ was going to upload it on Monday

I'm so excited for the Hunger Games renaissance, especially because of all the awesome content coming from this channel. Ben and J are my favourite online fiction theorist and it's so cool to finally see them talk about a series I love so much.

These Hunger Games theories are so fun!!! 💕

i just finished the ballad of songbirds and snakes and really wanted to see some content about so i’m very happy you guys are posting this stuff!

My Theory: Lucy found District 13. There she got Asylum. District 13 saw her potential because they knew she won the games and all what she done because they watched it. So they made a plan to start a rebellion. Lucy Grays Son (Katniss Father) got prepared to go to the Reaping while the 50th hungergames got picked and shall start a rebellion while he was at the games. But maybe the capitol got to know the reaping should be manipulated and then they changed the system for the reaping and also picked the double of the people. While the games Lucys Son was in District 12 and met Katniss mother who is the daughter of maude ivory and a pharmacist. She was so sad that her best friend died that they came closer and fell in love. He decided to stay in district 12 with her. But he kept contact to district 13 via jabber jays and made a new plan. They wanted to keep on going with this. So Katniss father teached her everything he knew. To prepare her for the games (without that she knows about it) he also teached her songs president snow would recognize when she would sing it. One day one of the jabber jays got catched and they found out Katniss father has contact to district 13. they made the mine accident to k*ll him and leave his family for their own as a penalty they knew Katniss mother is emotionally unstable without him and the kids still too young but they didn't know that Katniss know how to hunt so they survived. District 13 still didn't gave up they still had others spys from the hub who watched Katniss grow. Her father never had the time to tell her the plan to send her to the arena. They knew when she was strong enough to go to the games and just get picked she would give up herself but they knew if they would pick prim that then Katniss fightmode will get actived. And also it will not be this obvious if a manipulated picking will pick a young weak girl. So they manipulated the reaping that prim get picked and the rest is well known. 😁

I absolutely love this new fandom that was added to the channel's content! Any hunger games content you make is content I will watch

Many of just assume Lucy Grey died in the woods when Snow shot the rifle. That Kaniss is Maude Ivory's grandaughter. That Coin and Snow were distant cousins. Someday the author may reveal the truth.

I'm LOVING the Hunger Games content, and I've heard this theory before, though it was based solely on the (as I call it, because I have it, too) audiographic memory thing. That is the "you hear it once, it's in there forever" thing. Might take me a few repetitions depending on the complexity of the song, but it's a useful gift. I say "gift", not "talent", because I didn't teach myself to do this. I just can.

I love that there are so many comparisons between katniss and lucy grey like how katniss was a fighter forced to preform but lucy grey was a preformer forced to fight

Weird thing I have noticed: the characters of the hunger games (Katniss,Peeta,Gale,Haymitch) have almost identical counterparts in the maze runner series (Thomas,Newt,Teresa,Minho) probably just a trope overlap but the comparisons are creepy to the point you could switch those characters to the other story and have almost the same outcome

I think that Maude Ivory was Katniss’s grandmother because she loved to sing like Katniss’s father and Katniss knew nothing about this because her father died. And because we never know what happens to the band it could definitely be possible that they never left and eventually all spent the rest of their lives there.

The author confirmed that she's her paternal grandmother. Makes sense when you think about how she looks like her dad who looks like his mom and also the singing, the meadow, and the foraging for food. Plus makes more sense as to why Snow doesnt like her.

I hope the series can come back full force like before. I really love the movies

I love the current Hunger Games content! Keep it up guys!! BTW I think a what if series for hunger games could be really good... What if peeta died in the first hunger games, what if gale was chosen on reaping day etc...

I love that you guys are acknowledging the strikes happening and following their requests!

This I fully believe could be what connects the two mains of the series, where as the Coin theory makes more sense for Lucy Gray to be Coin's mother than Coin herself

I love this franchise when is hunger game trivia quizzes?

I love how it all ties together. And considering the Author's clever writing style, it does seem like it is actually what she intended. Love it. Can't wait for more

Love your HG theories! So much work and dedication! You guys rock😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤

Lucy Gray can't be Coin as she would have recognized Katniss' "Hanging Tree" song.

I think it would be really interesting when looking at all 3 super carlin theories together. If maude is karniss's grandmother and coin is Lucy grey (or Lucy's child, as some people speculated in the comments of that theory), then it would add weight to the theory that coin was watching katniss and wanted to use her in the coin's big plan theory. Coin wasn't just watching some random stranger, she was watching her family.

9:02 I really like this theory, but don't forget that in the final fight, Lucy Gray sings The Hanging Tree and a bunch of Mockingjays carry it on

Loving the Hunger Games stuff, I was into them a few months back and I was thinking about a lot of this stuff too. I think Coin could be Lucy's daughter, and could have been passed on lots of info from her mother. This would explain her completely diferent temperament, she'd have grown up hearing how Snow betrayed her mother and could naturally be more cold and contemptful. Definitely think you nailed this theory, even if it wasn't intended directly by the author clearly her muse was at work lol, the way all these details line up.

Literally had this theory on my mind since my first pass of Ballad! So happy to see this theory

I thought Lucy Grey made it to District 13 and married into the Coin family. Originally I thought she was Coin's mother, but Coin was too old for that if I remember correctly. But that was how Alma knew so much about Snow and how to play him. At least that was my thoughts on the matter

My husband and I theorized that maybe Billy had knocked up Lucy. Maybe she was pregnant in the games just as Katniss had pretended to be. Those games were so short that maybe she never knew. When she fled maybe she stayed and raised the child in the cabin by the lake. That child eventually went on to have Katnisses father. It’s all a stretch but really fun to try to make since of. This was a fun video!

Absolutely love seeing Hunger Games content, can't wait to see more in the future.

Theory with absolutely no support: Katniss' mom was Coriolanus' daughter... APRIL! Her name is never given, but she did grow up in the Merchant region of District 12, which is where Snow would have gone when visiting the district in the years after Songbird. He could have fathered a child there who became Katniss' mother. Then she grows up to take down both her grandfather and her grandmother's cousin, finally ending the fight between them.

I am really enjoying these videos with theories connecting the hunger games trilogy with the prequel. The prequel was fantastic and I love getting to see someone expand on it.

I like to think that Lucy Gray is Greasy Sae. The names rhyme. The age fits. IF you go by the movie, it could be why she gave katniss the pin, because she knew that Snow hated mockingjays. However, if you go by the book, it doesn't fit. If you do go by the book, which i think that ship has sailed... Greasy Sae could have given the pin to Maysilee Donner due to the mockingjay, and it was passed to Madge, Madge could know the story and that is exactly why she was so adamant for katniss to wear the pin in the arena. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

I love how you just took the discussion that fans had when the book came out and act like you "discovered" it

I love your Hunger Games videos!!! They inspired me to read them all over again♥️

I’m very been a fan of the books and movies for several years, I am loving these videos, as I have considered some of these theories myself upon revisiting the story! Keep on the good work 😊

While I don't love the idea of Lucy going on to become the nefarious Alma Coin for various reasons, I think Katniss being a descendant of the Covey- Maude Ivory in particular- is quite probable. Also- I looked into the etymology of the name "Baird", a bit- originating in Scotland, & making its way to the general vicinity of the US where district12 is located within the context of the narrative. [occupational name from Gaelic bàrd 'bard, poet, minstrel', or of Gaelic Mac an Baird 'son of the bard'. History: This is the name of a PA (Pittsburgh) family which came to North America from Scotland via northern Ireland.] Interesting stuff, & I really like the idea of Katniss descending from Maude Ivory.

Honestly don't know how you guys pluck these ideas straight out of where my mind went before the videos came out!

I just finished reading ABoSaS a few days ago and I legitimately got goosebumps when Lucy Gray started singing the Meadow song. Can you imagine Snow’s reaction upon hearing Katniss singing the same song to Rue? I feel like that’s the moment he felt like he was being haunted by Lucy Gray, 64 years had gone by he still hadn’t gotten away with what he did. The Evergreen/Everdean theory feels a bit reaching to me, especially given that Panem seems to follow the patronymic naming convention of the modern Western world, but I do like the Maude Ivory theory. But I’d like to point out “rose” is the name of a soft pink color, so “Primrose” could very easily be a Covey name on the sly.

Finally!!! I love this theory. I did think that Lucy Gray and Katniss were related in some form and my second guess would he through the couvy. Thanks for your HG theories they are soo fun

I am loving watching your hunger games content. You guys are so awesome and I love your content. ❤

I’m loving the new Hunger Games content! I’ve always enjoyed the Harry Potter and Disney/Pixar stuff, but it’s refreshing to get content on HG.

If Katniss is related to Lucy Gray is not dependent on whether or not Lucy Gray survives that last encounter with Snow. Lucy Gray has two (from my understanding) biological sisters, and two adopted brothers. Any of whom are likely to have had children.

evergreens resist snow wow these are details that i didnt pick up when i read the prequel and main books!!! great vid

Curious that it's never touched on further, but the book spends an entire page explaining how Prim and her mother look different compared to literally everyone else in District 12. They have blonde hair and blue eyes, which Katniss admitted was abnormal for their people's features. What if the relation is through Lucy, from her and Snow? Who else in the district had blonde hair and gray eyes that could connect them to Lucy's legacy?

Love the hunger games vid I’ve been watching for a while and now you officially have made vids on pretty much all the fandoms I’m part of ❤❤

I love the theory that Maude Ivory is Katniss's grandmother. It just makes so much sense. I hope Suzanne Collins writes a novela or something about the Covey. I'd love that, especially if it confirmed this theory.

More, and I cannot stress this enough, MORE Hunger Games content PLEASE.

What I love about this theory is that there’s so much evidence for it that there’s almost no way that it can’t be true. In my eyes, it wouldn’t really make sense for katniss to know the hanging tree unless Maude ivory is in fact her grandmother. Since the prequel was released, I’ve seen a lot of people talk about the idea of katniss and lucy gray being related, but this is the first time I’ve heard the evergreen theory-let me tell you, my jaw DROPPED when you read those lyrics. Although I will say that as perfectly as they fit, there are a couple of things that make me doubt that katniss’ last name used to be evergreen. First, when it comes to the covey naming conventions, remember that a covey member’s second name isn’t really their last name in the same way that “Everdeen” is a last name. The last names that we see the covey have are pretty normal (i.e. Clade, Baird) and don’t seem to have much to do with the way they choose their first and second names, so I don’t think the ballad/color combination would really apply there. The other aspect of the evergreen theory that makes me doubt it is that as amazing as it is that the “evergreen” ballad’s lyrics relate to the story so well, I don’t think the timing of it works. The covey pretty much only seem to deal with ballads that could be considered part of the Appalachian folk genre, and I don’t think the Barbra Streisand song is really considered to be part of that genre.

So I Googled if there were going to be any more Hunger Games related novels, and when I scrolled down a bit, I saw this: "Is Lucy Gray related to Katniss? I interviewed Suzanne Collins and asked about the relation between Lucy and Katniss. She revealed Lucy Gray is in fact Katniss's paternal grandma." I'd LOVE to read the novel that shows this family line. Plus, learn more about Katniss's father.

I would like to contest the statement that "If [Lucy Grey] doesn't survive the ending, she's not related to Katniss." Prior to this video, I thought the most likely situation was that Katniss is descended from Maude Ivory, who is a cousin of Lucy Gray, and thus Katniss would still be related.

Yassss!!!! I'm LOVING the Hunger Games theories y'all are doing!!!!! Please make moooore!!!! 🩷💜

Thank you for doing a video on Katniss' relationship with Lucy Gray. After I finished the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, I wondered whether Lucy and Katniss were somehow related. I'm glad to find out that I'm not the only one who saw parallels between the two.

I do like the theories on the covey being related, but then we need an explanation for why Katniss didn't have family after her father died. The Covey were family oriented. Her father should have been friends with the other Covey's children. Where were they? Where are Katniss' actual cousins?

It could be but it doesn’t have to be that Mauve Ivory is Katniss‘ Grandma. I just think these songs could just spread like that easily in a small district like 12. even the „forbidden“ song Hanging tree. It is known. Because as far as I remember it, Katniss‘ mother just forbids Katniss to sing it. It is not that underdog that you say it is

Realized something. What if Coin was the daughter of Lucy Grey. This would put Coin at the correct age but still give her access into the insights of Snow.

Story Diver already did a theory about what if Haymitch went in the games with Katniss in the 75th games or the 3rd quarter quell

I like this one a lot more than your previous one. It doesn't need nearly as much suspension of disbelief, and it works much better from a narrative sense.

I love this theory so much, it makes so much sense, the clues pieces all togheter, I love it

Maud Ivory being Katniss' Paternal grandmother was the exact conclusion I came to after reading the book.

the old woman in the merchant that gave Kat the pin may possibly be a covey

She survived....she's probably catniss grandmother...the bow Lucy gray did at her reaping, Catniss' being named after a root Lucy named, the song she wrote about the hanging tree, the physical similarities, Lucy gray had a son, catniss' dad. Again physical similarities. The whole scene where snows granddaughter is wearing catniss' braid makes so much sense now, snow was present when the children started fawning over Lucy's dress. He knew the power of idolizing a tribute.

Maude Ivory being Katniss’ paternal grand mother makes so much sense.

I'm a 68 year old man, and I love The Hunger Games! And you're right on all counts. Maude Ivory is Katniss' paternal grandmother. No, Lucy Gray did not make it to District 13. It was hardly within walking distance. If Snow didn't kill her, she no doubt perished somewhere north of District 12. I also had the same idea about Katniss' paternal grandfather being named Evergreen. I believe he joined The Covey, and when the Capitol forbade music in 12, along with the use of color in one's name, he changed it to Everdeen. And one more thought. I believe the Goat Man, from whom Katniss bought Prim's goat, Lady, was the last surviving member of The Covey: Tam Amber! Great video!

Love the movies and books, and love your reviews. I'm so hyped for the next movie.

I made the exact same connection when reading the book! The songs making it through the generations is just too much of a coincidence. I kept waiting for a character to come up with the last name Everdeen and it never did. :-( That was disappointing. But your mini theory about changing your name from Evergreen just make Splaine that! Especially since names are chosen so we might not have met this person yet. of course, if Katniss is distantly related to President coin, if all of these theories are true, President coin definitely would have known that Katniss was a relative, and apparently had no qualms about killing both her and her sister prim. Coin is a truly awful person.

Love that they are showing support for the strike in their own way. And in addition an interesting and fun video. ❤ Well done. 😊

I am LOVING that you guys started doing the Hunger Games!!!!!

I am loving the Hunger Game's theories you are doing. Whether they are correct or not, they are still quality interpretations

My theory is Lucy Gray reincarnated as Katniss. That she lived after snows gunshots, that just as Maude said, she “flew away”, a prophecy from the song. I don’t know where she went but I think she eventually passed and came back as Katniss, the very plant she used to escape Snow. She got her songs back and connected to the mockingjays… eventually getting her revenge.

Really liking the HG’s content! Thank you!!

Watching your videos on hunger games has me reading the books for the first time!

every time he says "a" Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes i want to die

6:25 "it's very clever" died

I found this really interesting: How in the first hunger games, Katniss mentions that everyone looks like they could be related and how her mom and Prim are the odd ones out BECAUSE of their light eyes and hair. Doesn't Maude Ivory have light features as well? Plus if i have my facts straight, her mom was from a group of people who traveled. I can't actually explain how her Dad knows the songs, maybe her mother taught him, then just stopped singing them after her mom died or something like that, but I feel it's more likely that Katniss' mom is Maude Ivory's daughter instead. Maybe Katniss' dad could just sing way better than her mom could and so he was always in love with music and such. But this is just a theory of mine, and I haven't read TBOSAS or the Mockingjay yet so I could be very wrong.

Oh my I love this theory too. I love all of your Hunger Games theories. Great work!

I always love your theory's! Usually you tip me over and I must say it's almost airtight. I saw the movie this week and after I wanted to read the last few pages again since it has been awhile. My theory is that Lucy Gray could be Katniss's grandmother, because Lucy Gray only sings the line of "Where a necklace of rope, side by side with me" in the woods to Snow. He thinks she's taunting him with this new line. So that would mean Maude Ivory never heard that line, but Katniss knows it.

I wonder if they will do trivia quiz about the hunger games? Fingers crossed 😊

Loving the content. Just finished book 1! Should've started with the prequal, since I already know the main story so well. Cant stop now tho.

Completely agree with the theory. If Coin is truly Lucy Grey, which I am doubtful about, I wonder what she thought when Katniss sang the hanging tree song.

Love this exploration of the HG Fandom. Can't wait to see what the next series is!

If Katniss last name is truly Evergreen, then that can make sense why her favorite color is green

love this so much, Katniss is then theoretically related to Coin if she is either Lucy or her daughter.

Since everdeen was meant to a nod to "Far from the Maddening Crown" I've always thought that Mr. Everdeen's first name might have been Gabriel (Tom Hardy also has a book called Under the Greenwood Tree, and there is a folk song called Angel Gabriel about being ready to die).

When I read BOSAS I thought immediately that Maude Ivory was Katniss’s paternal grandmother. I also believe that Gressy Sae is Lucy Grey. That she went to district 13 had Coin and returned (looking for medication for the plague they had) and that’s when Katniss’s father was killed so she stayed to protect them.

completely unrelated to this video; just a question that I've been curious about for some time now: What happened to your "these socks are amazing!" outro? Do you not appreciate a good sock anymore?🤔🤔