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@octaviablackthorn9
@octaviablackthorn9 7 месяцев назад
I loved Coral’s last line: “I killed them for nothing.” The perfect encapsulation of the Games.
@animecrazy90
@animecrazy90 7 месяцев назад
It reminded me so much of Cato at the end of katniss' games. That level of hopelessness when they realize being prepared to kill meant nothing.
@RKGold
@RKGold 7 месяцев назад
The flickerman weather report mid hunger games cutting back from violence to finishing the weather was excellent at showing the absurdity of the situation
@user-tz3co6rz7o
@user-tz3co6rz7o 7 месяцев назад
How quickly he just goes “Mercy or Murder”
@coolnerdlll6053
@coolnerdlll6053 7 месяцев назад
The best bit with him was still when they brought out the tank of snakes. "Wouldn't it be funny if it was candy?" "That's not candy!"
@user-tz3co6rz7o
@user-tz3co6rz7o 7 месяцев назад
He’s so funny but i feel bad every time i laugh because it makes light of the games @@coolnerdlll6053
@l.tc.5032
@l.tc.5032 7 месяцев назад
Very Kafkaesque.
@MarrvelFan123
@MarrvelFan123 7 месяцев назад
@@coolnerdlll6053I agree, I started laughing
@OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO
@OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO 7 месяцев назад
You all missed a detail in the woods near the end! Lucy’s outfit changes when Snow is bit by the snake from when she was in the Cabin. Lucy is back in her rainbow dress when she “hides” from snow rather then the darker dress she wore leaving the cabin. This suggests that Snow was hallucinating when he got bit so we really don’t know what happens to Lucy in the end.
@angelchavez4584
@angelchavez4584 7 месяцев назад
I THOUGHT I WAS CRAZY I watched it 3 times and kept noticing that but it happens so fast it’s hard to tell!?!
@OKG2000
@OKG2000 7 месяцев назад
good nice
@aracelivasquezraffo1229
@aracelivasquezraffo1229 7 месяцев назад
just read that part in the book again and she said that she left her mama's dresses to Maude Ivory because she won't need it anymore, so we can assume that she's not wearing it, other than the scarf it doesn't say in that chapter whats she's wearing. And I found the ending clip: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4COBc2c2FQs.html&ab_channel=CinemaWins and you can see for a second that she's wearing the same outfit, the dress does not change to the rainbow one. Although I do think it would have been a great way to convey that he was spiraling in the movie.
@cirrusB612
@cirrusB612 7 месяцев назад
OH MY GOSH you’re right!!! I missed that. That begs the question of if Lucy Gray started singing, too. Snow had several moments throughout the book where he expressed his absolute hatred of mockingjays and their abilities. Knowing that, he could have hallucinated Lucy Gray singing and the birds taking up the call.
@fionagraff878
@fionagraff878 7 месяцев назад
i noticed that too
@caedmoon2712
@caedmoon2712 7 месяцев назад
This movie definitely deserves a extended cut. I loved it how it was and I think it would be even better if it was longer
@bpj
@bpj 7 месяцев назад
The first book to film was the so rushed
@ultrabrian8151
@ultrabrian8151 7 месяцев назад
I agree
@WinterlyHeights
@WinterlyHeights 7 месяцев назад
Would love to see the Director's Cut with outtakes (esp. from Part 3)
@All-ze9cl
@All-ze9cl 7 месяцев назад
when the ending title card popped up I was actually confused, I expected it to go on for another half an hour. But now I realize that it's a good ending
@NickMags
@NickMags 7 месяцев назад
The only thing I’m upset they cut was Arachne’s funeral, the lack of implication that Tigris was selling herself, and clemensia being almost entirely cut out
@cornbonecob
@cornbonecob 7 месяцев назад
Other than all of that, it was a faithful adaptation. It was so well done! They cut what they could because the book is sooo long. I think they did a great job!
@All-ze9cl
@All-ze9cl 7 месяцев назад
the director said he wanted to focus more on bigger characters so Clemensia didn't have more scenes, but Tigris got such little time, her character was really prevalent in the books and they should have done more with her. Also, part of me is glad that the funeral wasn't included because it was so disturbing, but another part of me wishes they showed it because it really solidified how disgusting the early games were.
@AuthorZaraHoffman
@AuthorZaraHoffman 7 месяцев назад
Snow literally worries about Tigris selling herself in the first 10 pages, and insists that she hasn’t because the Snow family hasn’t fallen that far. That was IMPORTANT. And by cutting the implication that she WAS from the film was sucky.
@AuthorZaraHoffman
@AuthorZaraHoffman 7 месяцев назад
@@All-ze9clI just watched The Pink Popcast react to The Hunger Games films (not this one yet), and they were so horrified by the Capitol’s oppression (especially movies 2-4). The funeral is hard but I do think it should have been shown.
@All-ze9cl
@All-ze9cl 7 месяцев назад
@@AuthorZaraHoffman yeah, I think they cut it for time but it would have been really interesting to see in the movie
@jjcook0226
@jjcook0226 7 месяцев назад
Of all the theories out there, I don't believe Lucy Gray became Coin. It doesn't make sense to me. Lucy Gray would hate being trapped like that.
@RachelThornton24
@RachelThornton24 7 месяцев назад
I think Lucy’s sister is katness’ grandmother
@juno7478
@juno7478 7 месяцев назад
I agree, besides the fact that the ages do not fit On the other hand, Lucy Gray being Katniss's grandmother seems equally impossible to me, perhaps a member of Covey yes, but not her, it is made clear that she disappeared and returning to 12 with the mayor who wants her ☠️ does not seem possible. Many people in power are against her so if she had returned she would not have had time to have a child and raise him.
@coolnerdlll6053
@coolnerdlll6053 7 месяцев назад
@@juno7478 Maybe her child (one of Katniss's parents) was the one that went back to 12.
@miamroczynski2876
@miamroczynski2876 7 месяцев назад
@@RachelThornton24 I really like this theory, because how would Katniss know the hanging tree song and where the lake was. Those were things only the Covey knew and were comfortable with.
@ScottishAWOL
@ScottishAWOL 7 месяцев назад
Yeah I believe she just left and lived a life elsewhere on the run living free, maybe with some other covey members. I do believe Katniss is related to one of the covey but I like that it’s left a mystery in the end how it all fits together just like in her song
@emilyrambo8683
@emilyrambo8683 7 месяцев назад
the erasure of Ma plinth was truly devastating. She does so much to shape sejanus. she makes so food for the tributes, and for coryo before and after the games (and the bunkmates). you talk about how they both have one good parent and one militaristic parent.. not knowing sejanus' parents makes him calling out for his ma that much more gut wrenching. it takes away so much depth from snows betrayal to the plinth's only to become their heir? the people i saw the movie with who didnt read the book had no idea who Ma or Maude ivory was. they unfortunately dropped the ball there but it was a great movie
@fuzzywuzzy8679
@fuzzywuzzy8679 7 месяцев назад
Wait they took out his mother?! I thought she added so much to the book!
@lysfranc8782
@lysfranc8782 7 месяцев назад
I didn’t know all of this but you know she’s a loving woman when she hugged her son when Snow saved him from the arena and when Sejanus cried for her at the very end
@thesacredbombshell
@thesacredbombshell 7 месяцев назад
When he first introduced her in the zoo he did say "this is my Tribute". The clues were there that he felt possessive of her as well.
@neen2660
@neen2660 7 месяцев назад
Highbottom said “she belongs to you now”
@edwardmikus7556
@edwardmikus7556 7 месяцев назад
39:33 After this film, I’d argue that the things Coriolanus loved the most which destroyed him were power, status, and control.
@neen2660
@neen2660 7 месяцев назад
You got it
@suzimartin59
@suzimartin59 7 месяцев назад
My only disappointment was that the film only made one mention of Snow being the Plinth heir. That was probably the most shocking point in the novel, showing how deeply souless Coriolanus had become.
@acemarie4812
@acemarie4812 7 месяцев назад
Dean Highbottom mentions it at the end. He says something like "Look at you, heir to the Plinth fortune"
@suzimartin59
@suzimartin59 7 месяцев назад
@@acemarie4812 True, but I think that those who had not read the book will miss this.
@lightworthy
@lightworthy 7 месяцев назад
@@suzimartin59maybe some will, but i definitely noticed and hadn’t gotten around to reading the book yet!
@CodyBraddock13
@CodyBraddock13 7 месяцев назад
@@suzimartin59 I might have missed something else, I understood that he became the heir like I didnt miss that line but did they explain why he was named the heir?
@sunsetskye483
@sunsetskye483 7 месяцев назад
@@CodyBraddock13In the movie it’s implied that he was named heir because sejeanus viewed him as a brother. In the book, the plinths treat snow as family(both sejeanus and his mother), so it’s an extra slap in the face for him to be named heir after betraying them.
@julil3021
@julil3021 7 месяцев назад
I just wish they put one throw away line in there about how the smell of roses from the compact cover the smell of the poison to reflect how he uses roses later on
@dlcc___x
@dlcc___x 7 месяцев назад
I think the “it’s the things we love most that ultimately destroy us” line fits in more with the theory that Katniss is a descendant of Maude Ivory, who was in essence raised by Lucy (and Katniss then destroys Snow)
@steviestewart3672
@steviestewart3672 7 месяцев назад
I agree. Or just the fact that a female district 12 victor destroys him.
@CeciliaDjanOfficial
@CeciliaDjanOfficial 7 месяцев назад
Am I the only one that thought Lucy gray possibly didn’t try to attack Snow at the end of the book. I genuinely thought she was suspicious after Snow slipped up and said he killed three people but when she said she was going to get Katniss, she actually was going to get Katniss. However, Snow just got very paranoid and delusional and after he started shooting around, Lucy gray could have then decided to get away and that’s when she started singing to the Mockingjay’s to distract Snow. Like I genuinely believed when Snow got bit by the snake and thought it was poisonous and started freaking out that it was an accident and Lucy Gray did not plant that snake there. I just feel like the whole ending of the book was to show how paranoid and delusional snow was because Lucy Gray literally did nothing to him.
@sm9829
@sm9829 7 месяцев назад
I wonder the same.
@kayamain2077
@kayamain2077 7 месяцев назад
100%! Because you never get a final interaction after she goes to get the Katniss. Just him completely spiralling and getting more and more paranoid, I think she probably could sense a shift in him with tone of voice and how paranoid sounding he was when looking for her. The survivor in her was like f this, I need to get away although she did love him she would rather survive and run using the mockingjays to her advantage!
@deleyderismynamer
@deleyderismynamer 7 месяцев назад
She said something alone the lines of earlier in the movie that katniss wasnt in season. She definitely caught the vibe and scampered away.
@benjamintic3653
@benjamintic3653 7 месяцев назад
Its very open ended in the booksm She could've tried to kill him or maybe it was a coincidence, the same way she could've died in the book or she could have survived. It was very opened, unlike the movie which spells it out directly that she absolutly did want to kill him and she did survive
@gwendolinechen6917
@gwendolinechen6917 7 месяцев назад
I’m on the side of her not intending to kill him. After all, if she really did want to kill him with that snake, why pick one that is not poisonous? If it was, Snow never could’ve left that wood. But I do think she wanted to get away because she knew he would, if not right away, still at some point flip on her and sacrifice her for his own gain just like he did Sejanus.
@taylortakiwa4128
@taylortakiwa4128 7 месяцев назад
I think the reason the script was so true to the book was because Suzanne Collins wrote this book knowing it would become a movie. Also it woould be so cool to see a sequel set in the 11th hunger games where Mags wins.
@SrApolloHG
@SrApolloHG 7 месяцев назад
Seriously like I’m so curious how her games changed after this
@connortopping6943
@connortopping6943 7 месяцев назад
would love a netflix or prime series about that hunger games, also haymitches 50th Hunger Games or Finnick's 65th hunger games. Or even about the dark days would be awesome
@HanaTheRussell
@HanaTheRussell 7 месяцев назад
Can we talk about the casting of and performance sophia sanchez? Wovey? Having a girl with Down Syndrome as a tribute really hit hard. From a story perspective, it further showed how gruesome the games are. That they'd take someone with a developmental/intellectual disability and throw them in without a second thought. And also just the representation on screen. I'm pretty sure this is the first film I've ever seen with a character with down syndrome. Definitely the first hollywood major motion picture. I feel like usually films which include characters with down syndrome have to be ABOUT the fact that they have down syndrome. But this movie didn't call any attention to it. just a character who happens to have down syndrome doing their thing.
@willpatterson5946
@willpatterson5946 2 месяца назад
Kinda in the same way Brooklyn 99 does Captain holt being gay or Rosa being bi. That it’s a part of who they are but it isn’t everything about them. I very much liked that about this movie and Brooklyn 99
@jocelynhale7168
@jocelynhale7168 7 месяцев назад
I think it’s important to point out that A Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes isn’t written in the first person like the hunger games trilogy, it’s written in the third person
@hs_conspiracy
@hs_conspiracy 7 месяцев назад
But it is third person limited. It only follows Snow and describes his thought process the entire time so we are still reading only from his perspective
@jocelynhale7168
@jocelynhale7168 7 месяцев назад
@@hs_conspiracywhat’s that saying about victors writing history…?
@caedmoon2712
@caedmoon2712 7 месяцев назад
I really hope they never actually explain what happens to Lucy Gray. I think it was really cool how we ended her story just like her ballad. If they made another book that explained what happened to her it would really take away from this book.
@NotThisAnonymous
@NotThisAnonymous 7 месяцев назад
This
@cwn41
@cwn41 7 месяцев назад
Agree but they will make more for money.
@NotThisAnonymous
@NotThisAnonymous 7 месяцев назад
@@cwn41 Yeah, there’s no way they’re going to leave it bc they know if they make another one people will go and see it, so they’ll get more money, and they’re not going to miss that opportunity. It’s a real shame but unfortunately that’s how it works
@msk-qp6fn
@msk-qp6fn 7 месяцев назад
If suzanne were to write about lucy gray again i really want it to be via hints and implications from another character's story
@NotThisAnonymous
@NotThisAnonymous 7 месяцев назад
@@msk-qp6fn Yes! That’s actually a good idea
@lilystockbridge
@lilystockbridge 7 месяцев назад
There are a few shots where a shadow covers Snow’s right eye (audience’s left) and it appears brown while his other is still blue and it makes him look like Dr. Gaul. I think that was intentional on the filmmakers’ part to show the audience that he isn’t doing this out of love, etc, but he does have a dark/selfish/deceitful side.
@Danilio.
@Danilio. 6 месяцев назад
Pretty cool
@LoraK31
@LoraK31 7 месяцев назад
I watched the movie without having read the book first, and I was FLOORED. In some ways, I'm happy I didn't read it first (I meant to, but then I was invited to an advance screening and didn't have time) because every moment in the Hunger Games part was dripping with suspense. I can't wait to read the book, then rewatch the movie with that context. This might be my favorite Hunger Games movie (or second-favorite behind Catching Fire) because having it as one self-contained story instead of a trilogy really helps make this movie feel more epic.
@FrumiousMing8
@FrumiousMing8 6 месяцев назад
I had the same experience and just finished reading the book. It's so good! I really enjoyed both
@RKGold
@RKGold 7 месяцев назад
I loved the liveliness of district 12 and all the music brought such a unique dimension. In mockingjay Katniss says district 12 knows how to dance during finnick’s wedding
@amarbyrd2520
@amarbyrd2520 7 месяцев назад
I read somewhere that "Ballad" is some 500 pages to Mockingjay's 300 -- so the fact that the Mockingjay was broken into 2 films and everything in "Ballad" is all in one film might be one of the reasons some part of character development feels a leetle rushed -- because it is a LOT
@MrEvanNoyes
@MrEvanNoyes 7 месяцев назад
Lol a leetle
@Dauerglotzer123
@Dauerglotzer123 7 месяцев назад
Yeah mockingjay was way too fluffed out when compared to this
@juno7478
@juno7478 7 месяцев назад
Yes, Mockingjay should not have been divided into two, but I don't think Ballad should have been divided either, although perhaps they should have lengthened it to 3 hours or a little more.
@kl-1447
@kl-1447 7 месяцев назад
Admittedly, the book has some pacing issues too and that got translated into the movie when they made it, so that didn't help. I don't think splitting Ballad into 2 movies would have been helpful though since it doesn't have a clear point where they can split it to make sense
@gracie9658
@gracie9658 7 месяцев назад
Splitting Mockingjay into 2 was not a bad idea, it's just that they ruined it with part 2 because they cut the end drastically and rushed some scenes while dragging others for too long. That movie was a mess.
@asodataco
@asodataco 7 месяцев назад
When snow was in the hospital and saw Lucy's interview when she sang, i loved when he saw a nurse touch her throat sadly watching Lucy sing. Even though avoxs haven't been shown, it's cool seeing references to them. Especially since she was likely from a district, possibly even 12. That was a great moment
@RKGold
@RKGold 7 месяцев назад
Dean Highbottom didn’t have much screen time but when he did Peter Dinklage knocked it out of the park. The detail in the book and movie pf him giving victors money and apologizing before sending them home really drove the point home.
@Marle_xvx
@Marle_xvx 7 месяцев назад
I love Tigris because even she showed compassion to the tributes and when Arachne died.she has compassion for both much like snow but the Tigris in Mockingjay seemed void of that but still managed to call that side back from her in order to provide safe haven to Katniss knowing she will kill Show. She seems to have a foot on both sides.
@hannah-op1bt
@hannah-op1bt 7 месяцев назад
losing snows inner dialogue in the movie was the biggest thing that brought it down, everyone who watches the movie and doesn’t read the book sees a slow decent into him being evil, but in the book it’s shown that he was always a sociopath and was more obsessed with lucy gray being his prize than loving her
@Eeli9
@Eeli9 7 месяцев назад
The difference between Lucy Gray and Kattnis is that Lucy Gray is an actor forced to fight and Kattnis is a fighter forced to act.
@ProctoredGames
@ProctoredGames 7 месяцев назад
LOL TRUE
@acleamofhope
@acleamofhope 7 месяцев назад
Maybe more an entertainer then an actress, but i totally agree!
@bradene-a4182
@bradene-a4182 7 месяцев назад
Oh I like that !!
@TrissTess
@TrissTess 7 месяцев назад
This line up here was said by the Lucy Gray actress btw
@rosabellef3582
@rosabellef3582 7 месяцев назад
I liked Sejanus so much more in the movie! Couldn’t stand him in the books. I was super annoyed how he kept saying sorry to Snow and promising to do better.. it was just hard to take him seriously sometimes. In the movie, I thought he was more sure of himself and not trying too hard to hide it from Snow… Agree abt Tigris’ character, thought she would get more screen time. Also, I think for viewers who didn’t read the book, it must have been very confusing how Sejanus got into the arena so easily, although they made it clear his father’s money opens a lot of doors. But would he have used it like that? In the woods they show Snow shooting in the air at the birds rather than all around him, making it clear that Lucy Gray escaped. I wished they would’ve kept the book’s ambiguity abt what happened to her. Also, I felt like right before that in the cabin, when Snow discovered the guns, it wasn’t very clear that he started contemplating getting rid of Lucy Gray and go back. Instead, it was almost suggested that Lucy Gray threatened to rat him out when she confirmed she was the only loose end… At this point, Snow had already betrayed Sejanus, so I don’t think his turning on Lucy Gray needed justification.
@evab0beva
@evab0beva 7 месяцев назад
as someone who hasn’t read the book yet, snow’s contemplation of getting rid of lucy came pretty clearly to me (though i am an actress myself, so maybe i just pick up on the little things easier), but i also got a lot of the threatening side of lucy when she pointed out the loose end thing. i think, because we’re seeing this story from snow’s perspective, that’s how it sounded to him even if it’s not how she meant it. it makes him seem more justified in his eyes.
@rainbow_doglover8301
@rainbow_doglover8301 7 месяцев назад
It was also an interesting choice how they made Coral so front and center as the head of the protocareers. If I remember from the book it wasn't quite so cut and dry. She was definitely a leader, but the movie made her seem like the Cato of these games
@kl-1447
@kl-1447 7 месяцев назад
My guess is that it helps streamline some of the action. In the book, it's a lot of names that you have to keep track of, since it's keeping up with both the tributes and the Mentors, which makes it complicated at times. Whereas it gives the audience a more clear cut person to watch out for, and to root against
@UmbraKrameri
@UmbraKrameri 7 месяцев назад
I don't know how it is in the book but she was also a bit proto-Finnick for my taste as well. Given that we know next year the female District 4 tribute wins, I just wish if we ever see anything with young Mags Collins gives her anything else but a trident as a signature weapon. X'D
@natejablonski
@natejablonski 6 месяцев назад
​@UmbraKrameri I don't know if it's canon, but it's been said online that Mags was able to turn anything into a fish hook and she used one as a weapon to win her games.
@xXxBree1995xXx
@xXxBree1995xXx 6 месяцев назад
@natjejablonski If I remember it correctly, Katniss observes her doing it during their training in the book and later in the arena Mags teaches her how to do it. Cant remember if they show it in the movie , but I think they did? So yes it is cannon. :)
@edra2005
@edra2005 7 месяцев назад
I want to see you do a theory on Dr. Gaul masterminding everything from the arena explosions to the death of Felix Ravenstill to the eventual rise of Snow as president so that he can continue the games after her death
@fionarodgers4806
@fionarodgers4806 7 месяцев назад
Felix Ravenstill? Do you mean Gaius Breen?
@edra2005
@edra2005 7 месяцев назад
​@@fionarodgers4806in the movie it's Felix Ravenstill that is killed by the explosion and Dr. Gaul sends the snake tank into the arena Also Felix is the son of president Ravenstill With Felix dead Coriolanus will have an easier time succeeding Ravenstill as president
@fionarodgers4806
@fionarodgers4806 7 месяцев назад
@@edra2005 Yeah, I replied to that before I saw the movie. I saw it today, and you're right. It was Felix Ravenstill who died. Sorry about that.
@UmbraKrameri
@UmbraKrameri 7 месяцев назад
My theory is that Felix would have totally survived the explosion and Gaul had him killed to further her own political agenda.
@catdavis3084
@catdavis3084 7 месяцев назад
Lucky Flickerman has Gilderoy Lockhart vibes
@nightspawnson-of-luna4936
@nightspawnson-of-luna4936 7 месяцев назад
What I love about the movie is probably the fact that the book itself might not have existed if not for Donald Sutherland's portralule of Snow in the movie... He really fleshed out the character in a way that could only be done through the movie not showing only Katniss' perspective... It feels like the book was made specifically because of those hints...for instance, the scene in the first movie, when he says ""There are lots of underdogs. And I think that if you could see them, you would not root for them, either." That's a line that's only in the movie, and yet...it still feels like something that Snow might have said...in his mind thinking of another District 12 girl... Also I just love seeing how different the games were... I told someone sitting next to me... As bad as sending kids to fight to the death is, I think they at least had a better approach by the time of the 74th...
@tylerrodriguez7202
@tylerrodriguez7202 7 месяцев назад
I finished the book hours before I went to go see the movie, and I really enjoyed it even with it all being so fresh in my mind
@morgann521
@morgann521 7 месяцев назад
When I read this book when it came out I wasn’t sure I liked it, I got too stuck on Snow being the protagonist and you’re not suppose to like him. After rereading and watching the movie I think this is my favorite Hunger Games story. There are so many nuances. It’s so clever and sets up the saga so well
@mariekedekker8376
@mariekedekker8376 7 месяцев назад
I loved the complexity of this story, especially knowing what becomes of Snow in sixty years. But that only really hits because we have the original series as context.
@kl-1447
@kl-1447 7 месяцев назад
I felt the same way. When I read the Hunger Games in middle school for the first time, I never found Snow a compelling character and didn't super get the hype around him. Like yes he was an interesting villain but also clearly evil, I never really got any of the nuance I felt people were reading into him. So when I heard the prequel was his story, I was not enthused and my first read I was not impressed. Like it was a good book in that it is his descent into true villainy, but I again just didn't get the hype. It felt so clear that he was evil and creepy and possessive throughout the book, I didn't get why people were so sympathetic to him (past the general he's a handsome guy with charisma, he can be excused for anything vibes some people had). Second read was much better, I really liked the story and his descent into villainy because I got the point more: every chance he got, he chose to be worse. The first time I read it like a tragedy, where the character makes the wrong choice every time and it feels inevitable. The second time I read it, I read it as a villain arc where he makes a conscious choice to be brutal and terrible. And I enjoyed the treatise on the philosophy points more the second time as well
@rosabellef3582
@rosabellef3582 7 месяцев назад
Also, I like the addition of Snow using the drones to fight off the other tributes (not fair, but the Hunger Games is not fair either) In the book, it felt like he was barely doing anything as she stayed hidden for so long that it didn’t make much sense that she was still getting gifts from the public.
@okaykatieokay4
@okaykatieokay4 7 месяцев назад
I never read the book, so when I watched the movie, I assumed that Dean Highbottom was pro-Hunger Games but I knew something was...off about him. He looked so casual and disinterested in the Hunger Games. So, when the reveal at the end of the movie, I was a bit surprised that he didn't want it to continue but it felt like a weak reveal to me. I didn't care enough about his character to be upset when he died.
@SrApolloHG
@SrApolloHG 7 месяцев назад
Well it wasn’t necessarily that we were supposed to be upset that he died. The importance of his death is that it was the first time snow assassinated someone with poison, first time out of many.
@lunali7209
@lunali7209 7 месяцев назад
imo it still was upsetting bc it showcased how any semblence of humanity in the capitol and among ppl from the capitol was killed off by snow. like there was humanity in the capitol that could have led to political progress, but snow made sure to suppress it. also the connection of dean highbottom to coryo and his dad also symbolized that by killing him aka wronging him coryo became his father.
@FrumiousMing8
@FrumiousMing8 6 месяцев назад
I feel like Dean Highbottom is a weak spot in both the movie and the book. I get that he's like this broken man or whatever but he chooses to take all his anger out on a teenager instead of trying to do something productive. He seemed to be just going through the motions for his job which he hates but he doesn't do anything about it. He's got a position of power, if he hated the games so much why'd he put all his energy into beefing with a kid? I don't understand.
@RKGold
@RKGold 7 месяцев назад
They made reaper more rebel than crazy in the movie
@coolnerdlll6053
@coolnerdlll6053 7 месяцев назад
Reading the book, I pictured the character as more of a Gollum type. They went the exact opposite direction for the movie and it still worked okay, but nowhere near as well.
@woodsprite3371
@woodsprite3371 7 месяцев назад
Lucy Gray could be Coin's mother. That would fit the age of Coin nicely. Lucy would pass along her anger and secrets to her daughter. I would love to see that happen! 😂
@MrEvanNoyes
@MrEvanNoyes 7 месяцев назад
Smart
@Dauerglotzer123
@Dauerglotzer123 7 месяцев назад
Shes too nice, coin is a snow 2.0, I'd hope lucy woukd raise any kids with love and compassion to avoid a coin baby
@anniebonus7530
@anniebonus7530 7 месяцев назад
@@Dauerglotzer123 Fair, but it could be that thing where someone raised with too much freedom becomes a more authoritative/controlling parent- or in this case a dictator.
@jonathanbowers8964
@jonathanbowers8964 7 месяцев назад
For me to believe that, Lucy would either have to die in childbirth, die when Coin is very young, or be immensely disappointed with her daughter.
@msk-qp6fn
@msk-qp6fn 7 месяцев назад
​@@Dauerglotzer123 if lucy was not there to raise coin though, it might explain why coin is the way she is
@heddaaskheim
@heddaaskheim 7 месяцев назад
Oh my god, I agree so so so much! As someone who was Obsessed - with a capital O - with the Hunger Games series, movies and all that good stuff… This book did not disappoint. No, not only did it not disappoint, but it also managed to pull me right back into the world of Panem, even though the plot of this prequel is set 64 years before that of the Hunger Games. This is undoubtedly my favourite adaptation from moon to movie!
@r.m.morison2636
@r.m.morison2636 7 месяцев назад
Snow, DOES NOT know what love is and I’m glad, that at the end, in Mockingjay, that Snow, who landed on top, finally did what snow does best. Snow fell.
@nbdjz1058
@nbdjz1058 7 месяцев назад
i just got home from the cinema watching it and it was AMAZING. i've been a hunger games fan ever since the first book came out and even almost a decade later, i was so excited to read songbird and snake. the movie was an incredibly well done adaptation, while they did have to leave out things because of the sheer length of the book, the only thing that i'm really disappointed about is that coryo's relationship with ma plinth didn't show up. other than that, this is hands down one of the best movies i've ever seen.
@inoxydable3876
@inoxydable3876 7 месяцев назад
But did Lucy Gray get shot though? You said that in the movies, it's clear that she did. Maybe I saw it wrong and I will rewatch it in slow motion when it will be out, but it looked like the Lucy Gray he saw when he shot her was wearing the rainbow dress instead of the dress she was wearing that day. So, did she really get shot, or was he hallucinating? But maybe I saw wrong, again, I wish I could see it in slow motion!
@inoxydable3876
@inoxydable3876 7 месяцев назад
I found it. It doesn't look like it's the rainbow dress, or a least not the skirt, but maybe she's wearing the corset? It's really hard to tell but I think she's wearing the same outfit she was in the previous scene, so I guess it does confirm that she got shot!
@evab0beva
@evab0beva 7 месяцев назад
i personally think he was hallucinating, especially because he calls out if the snake is poisonous. nothing ever said in this movie is fluff, everything serves a purpose. i think lucy is still a mystery
@inoxydable3876
@inoxydable3876 7 месяцев назад
@@evab0beva I still think it could have indeed been a hallucination, but what I mean is that even if she got shot, doesn't mean she's dead.
@Daisyreneesmith
@Daisyreneesmith 7 месяцев назад
The cannibalism is diffently in the book I just started reading it. Tigris and Lucy are my fav. I feel so bad for Tigris she sees Snow turn into this villian and it must be so hard to see how he became like his father.
@EdaTheOwlLadyFan94
@EdaTheOwlLadyFan94 7 месяцев назад
Quick update: we actually got our first “canon” map in the Catching Fire film when Katniss was on the train of the victory tour
@nightspawnson-of-luna4936
@nightspawnson-of-luna4936 7 месяцев назад
Wasn't there also a map in that one facebook hidden objects game?
@EdaTheOwlLadyFan94
@EdaTheOwlLadyFan94 7 месяцев назад
@@nightspawnson-of-luna4936 yes there was! I’m almost certain it was the same map from the films as well!
@nightspawnson-of-luna4936
@nightspawnson-of-luna4936 7 месяцев назад
@@EdaTheOwlLadyFan94 glad you knew what I was talking about
@EdaTheOwlLadyFan94
@EdaTheOwlLadyFan94 7 месяцев назад
@@nightspawnson-of-luna4936 yes I do! I remember those weird “open world” games that always looked fun in the commercial but were never actually fun to play (if you liked them, I’m glad you did)!
@nightspawnson-of-luna4936
@nightspawnson-of-luna4936 7 месяцев назад
@@EdaTheOwlLadyFan94 Wasn't it the reward for 100% completion? Also If we're talking about a hunger games tie in game... I'd love a gamemaker simulator... Like you'd have to make a balance between making it interesting, but not go on for either too long or too short...
@Mik_Rose
@Mik_Rose 7 месяцев назад
I did dislike that Jessup was ‘bitten’ by a bat in the train, but in the books he was bitten in the Capital by the rats/ raccoons… this was important because the citizens believed he brought ‘disease’ from 12 because they’re all ‘savages and dirty’ but he was really bitten in the capital so their preconceived misconceptions were incorrect. I believe they did this because the timeline was shorter between reaping and games in the films, but it was important… and also was a chance to talk about how much rat poison was around for Lucy Gray to put in the compact mirror…
@clover2739
@clover2739 7 месяцев назад
Right?? I thought that was just me whip hated that change, plus it was unnecessary as well considering he was already in the zoo and could’ve just said he was bitten in the zoo, they didn’t even need to add anymore scenes for it. Like it’s a detail most people would think ‘who cares’ for it, but it is important that he’s bitten in the capitol for the reasons you stated
@coolnerdlll6053
@coolnerdlll6053 7 месяцев назад
I was so excited for this movie and it surpassed my expectations. If not for Spider-Verse, this would be my favorite movie of the year and it's easily the best Hunger Games film. I can probably go into triple digits with moments that gave me chills and I can't wait to watch it again.
@Weezerand...
@Weezerand... 7 месяцев назад
My heart sunk when snow said he killed 3 in front of Lucy Gray
@lunali7209
@lunali7209 7 месяцев назад
same it surpassed my expectations too i thought it was gonna be mid but its my fav movie of the year
@attasi
@attasi 7 месяцев назад
I loved the movie! I've seen it twice now and agree with you guys' observations. I also agree with Ben that the best medium to tell this story was the book but the movie does quite well too. One of my favourite parts at the end was how Tigris always called her cousin Coryo throughout the movie but at the end she calls him 'Coriolanus' and there's this tiny flicker in his eyes as he notices the change. I thought that was very well done. I'll definitely revisit the book someday soon.
@rosabellef3582
@rosabellef3582 7 месяцев назад
That last part is similar to the book by how in the beginning they mentioned him as Coriolanus, but in the end it changed to Snow as a nod to the route he had taken.
@attasi
@attasi 7 месяцев назад
Quite right
@stefanjentoft8107
@stefanjentoft8107 7 месяцев назад
Dunno if there's anything you can do with this, but I thought I'd share a reference in the book that's easy to overlook. When Lucy is singing her namesake song, Coryo references another poem about someone brought back by cremation, but can only remember the character was "Sam something." If anyone is interested, the poem in question is a fun read and is "The Cremation of Sam McGee" by Robert Service and takes place in Alaska during the Yukon gold rush.
@louisacoote2337
@louisacoote2337 7 месяцев назад
I enjoyed the film, though some bits from the book were missing, like the tributes from the Tech District (3?) engineering the drones to their advantage, Snow being closer to the Plinths and basically becoming their son when Sejanus dies and then inheriting their wealth, no Maude Ivory and her musical memory, the funerals of Snow’s classmates after the arena bombing/explosion ( I think they make their tributes carry the coffins)…. And 12 still allows singing as Katniss sings at school and that is when Peeta falls in love with her.
@coolnerdlll6053
@coolnerdlll6053 7 месяцев назад
I was more confused why they cut Gaul erasing the footage of the Games. Even though it was only in the last few pages, that was a major plot point.
@louisacoote2337
@louisacoote2337 7 месяцев назад
@@coolnerdlll6053 Does she not mention having done so in the film? Icod ve sworn she did
@coolnerdlll6053
@coolnerdlll6053 7 месяцев назад
​@@louisacoote2337 All she says is that the Games got renewed for another year. I was waiting for her speech from the book about deleting the tapes because getting the students involved was a mistake, but it's gone.
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 7 месяцев назад
Oh no it's worse during the funerals. They put the tributes chained up on the back of a truck essentially. And hang a tribute corpse off a crane
@Natdanram
@Natdanram 7 месяцев назад
@@louisacoote2337She does! It’s a quick line but she says all footage of the games was scrubbed
@fandomshark
@fandomshark 7 месяцев назад
I’m so glad you mentioned the map (32:07). That was something I really enjoyed as a detail being thrown in there.
@lindseydrew9812
@lindseydrew9812 7 месяцев назад
There’s supposedly a 3 hour and 40 minute version of the film, and now I’m dying to see it. I already enjoyed it, but given how much they left out, I think it would be a big improvement
@xwinwinwinx
@xwinwinwinx 7 месяцев назад
Oh wow! I want to see this extended cut now too
@juliajohnson4080
@juliajohnson4080 7 месяцев назад
This movie may have been long, but it was NEVER boring. I was engaged & excited the whole time. I had read the book beforehand, and I think they did a really excellent job adapting it!
@animelover4448
@animelover4448 7 месяцев назад
40:17 THAT WAS THE LAST SONG!!! if you listen it's Lucy singing to snow about how she will forever haunt him. But it was playing while everyone walked out. And with it being an original song written for the movie, placed at the end as an ear worm was perfect.
@user-tz3co6rz7o
@user-tz3co6rz7o 7 месяцев назад
I love to think about Snow seeing Katniss and almost EVERYthing reminds him of Lucy Gray. Especially here going to get Katniss the last time he saw her
@londonlawhon3081
@londonlawhon3081 7 месяцев назад
The reason Snow knew about Katniss kissing G*le at the cabin I think is because he put cameras there to watch for Lucy 👀 maybe 👀
@RKGold
@RKGold 7 месяцев назад
I thought the Sejanus actor did the best he could with what was probably one of the weakest characters in the books. The movie showing snow crying after the execution did a better job than the books at showing snow’s sadness too cause in the book he justifies it so much
@laurar1816
@laurar1816 7 месяцев назад
I liked the movie but I thought it would be better. I think it doesn't show why Sejanus considers Coriolanus a brother, because in the film Coriolanus almost never says anything nice to him. The last conversation between Lucy Gray and Corio I this is so out of character for Lucy Gray. They cut out all scenes with Clemensia after being bitten by the snake (my bf who haven't read the book though she was dead). I like what they did with the hunger games themselves but I don't like how they ended in the film. And I don't like (although I understand that it is not that important) how they never mention how important to Snow is the powder of his mother. I liked the movie and I know it is difficult to make it as perfect as the book but I was a little bit disappointed (although the acting was spot on)
@Marle_xvx
@Marle_xvx 7 месяцев назад
I haven’t watched these guys in years and only got back in for this movie. Love their vids.
@edwardmikus7556
@edwardmikus7556 7 месяцев назад
15:34 J-That Academy chanting scene reminded me of gladiator fights in Ancient Rome-where the official in charge of the Games would often have to make a decision on if gladiators would survive, often taking into public opinion into account.
@CrankyGrandma
@CrankyGrandma 7 месяцев назад
No way coin is Lucy. She’d be in her eighties and coin is maybe 50.
@OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO
@OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO 7 месяцев назад
See my interpretation with the scarf and snake scene in the woods was snakes hide in leaves. I instantly remembered when i lived in Arkansas and whenever the leaves fell i would pick them up and sometimes would find a snake or two… the scarf could have easily been thrown on the ground were a snake lay….
@BloodKills
@BloodKills 7 месяцев назад
I'm gonna say something that might be controversial, but imo this was by FAR the best Hunger Games film. I was engaged throughout quite literall the whole film, not a single stretch of time for me personally felt like it dragged, even though I know people have had an issue with the overall length and part 3 specifically.
@rainbow_doglover8301
@rainbow_doglover8301 7 месяцев назад
The main thing that felt different to me was the passage of time. It kind of felt like nothing was just able to sit in the movie (which I totally understand, the length was crazy already). But I especially felt it when he got to 12 - in the book, you saw how he could actually have a life there, with Sejanus and his other friends and the packages from Ma Plinth and visits with Lucy Gray. It feels like he actually settles in, so it seems plausible that he could stay for a while. In the movie, it felt like he was there a week, and so the loss of that potential life doesn't really feel like anything. Other than that, my major disappointment was that we didn't get to hear all the songs. That was the main thing I thought the story would gain from adaptation. But I guess they didn't want to turn it into a musical. Overall I really liked it! I feel like it could have been a limited series with like 6 episodes? Maybe people wouldn't have watched it in that format.
@leafyveins4985
@leafyveins4985 7 месяцев назад
I just really went down a mental rabbit hole. If Coin was Lucy Gray all along, that would mean that Lucy Gray was probably living in 13 after the battle with Snow, but she was probably watching over the Covey in some way. What if she had contact with Maude Ivory, who eventually gave birth to Katniss' father, who eventually married Katniss' mom and gave birth to Katniss. What if Lucy Gray was keeping contact with the Covey as it grew and splintered off, and suddenly this little girl is born and grows up to be both a hunter and a singer? How far in advance was Katniss chosen to be the symbol of the revolution? When she sang the Valley Song in elementary school? And who was the teacher who asked the class if anyone knew the song? Did she already know that Katniss knew the song? Was Katniss the only child in the class who knew the song? Did Coin-did Lucy Gray-wait for 65 years for a suitable replacement for herself to take Snow down, only to come to the conclusion that the only suitable place for her was as Snow's replacement?
@sm9829
@sm9829 7 месяцев назад
Who is Maude Ivory?
@mysticalmargaret6105
@mysticalmargaret6105 7 месяцев назад
Coin was too young to be Lucy Gray though. The Katniss Games were over 64 years after the 10th Hunger Games, when Lucy Gray was 16, just two years younger than Coriolanus. Snow was well into his 80s by the time the Katniss Games began. Lucy would have been at least 80. Alma Coin was in her 50s, she wasn't even born yet when the 10th Hunger Games were held.
@leafyveins4985
@leafyveins4985 7 месяцев назад
@@mysticalmargaret6105 But if she'd been living underground since she left 12, she really wouldn't age the same way. Just like another SCB video stated, sun usually is the number 1 contributor to aging skin (i.e., appearing older) especially since she would have gone underground without having accumulated a whole lot of time aboveground? For a novel I realize this is a bit of an "out there" idea, but scientifically and time wise it actually does make perfect sense. Also, who'sto say she didn't somehow get an age-reversing operation like the people in the Capitol? We have no idea what Coin has been up to in the past 64 years. Also, the only concrete observation we're privy to about Coin's appearance comes from Katniss Personally the idea that Coin is Lucy Gray is actually really sad because it means in the end, she turned into a monster too by advocating for another Hunger Games, probably bombing all those kids including Prim, and the bombing of the District 8 hospital, it's just horrible to think that Lucy Gray became such a bad person. But given everything that happened to Lucy Gray, it's not too hard to imagine her becoming warped over the years. The Hunger Games, and Snow could have really traumatized and changed her
@ColeAndPhoebeForever
@ColeAndPhoebeForever 7 месяцев назад
I wholeheartedly agree with the Lucy Graeybaird becoming President "alma Coin theory. It totally makes sense, now it'll be interesting watching The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes movie, followed by the Hunger Games films. Not to mention, revisiting the SuperCarlinBrothers Master Plan film theory. BTW, Maude Ivory was in the movie, she was the younger girl who gave Lucy the Katniss plants and who was singing "Keep On The Sunny Side," to keep the crowd entertained, while Coriolanus was killing Mayfair and Billy Taupe. I loved this movie and can't wait to see it again! I think Rachel Zegler was phenominal!
@mysticalmargaret6105
@mysticalmargaret6105 7 месяцев назад
@@leafyveins4985 I get your theory but I still believe that Coin was middle aged at most. As for Lucy Gray, I believe that by the Katniss Games Lucy was either long dead, or long gone 'North' as that is a place that she mentioned that she wanted to go to. Being a traveling Covey, she might have known some places where she could have hidden out for years and never been found. There is also the fact that Coin was white, while Lucy wasn't.
@EmmaxoOCE
@EmmaxoOCE 7 месяцев назад
Loving how much detail you guys are going into here, going back and forth from film to book. Good video so far!
@Jenvick
@Jenvick 7 месяцев назад
In the movies, that lake is where the film crew eats lunch and then the avox guy (I forget which is Castor and which is Pollux) has her sing.
@dianamcmahon51510
@dianamcmahon51510 7 месяцев назад
I have a new theory about Coin. What if President Coin is Lucy Gray's daughter? When Lucy Gray escapes, it's the 10th Hunger Games; by the time we meet Coin, it's the 75th HG...65 years later. Assuming that Coin is in her early/mid 50s at this point, that would give Lucy Gray plenty of time to make it to 13 and have a kid. That kid grew up to be President Coin.
@edwardmikus7556
@edwardmikus7556 7 месяцев назад
9:22 I saw the film on Saturday. When I was leaving the theater, two girls behind me on an escalator were chitchatting about the film. One of the things I heard them ask each them was, “What happened to his sister-I mean his cousin.” I explained to them at the bottom of the escalator that Tigris was the shopkeeper in Mockingjay. Their exact reaction was, “Oh my gosh-that’s right.”
@itspribanerjee
@itspribanerjee 7 месяцев назад
I read the book and have watched the movie and i agree too it was a very good book to movie adaptation. Though I was curious how did this movie seem to someone who hasn't read the books, cuz when I was watching it my brain was also referencing the books, so yea real curious.
@meghannerger5591
@meghannerger5591 7 месяцев назад
I absolutely loved the book it was so perfectly written and I was so excited for the movie but left feeling sad cus I think it should’ve been broken into two movies the first movie the lead up to the games and the games and then the second part would be all that happened in 12. I think if you didn’t read the book you could’ve left the movie feeling confused. Their “relationship” felt rushed in the movie, Maude was hardly in it, and Ma should’ve been featured more because then hearing the birds say Ma over and over again would’ve been so much more powerful and sad. I cried reading that.
@lunali7209
@lunali7209 7 месяцев назад
apparently theres a 3 hour 40 min version of the movie that they initially wanted to release but was shortened to the current version bc of movie screenings. so maybe we'll get a directors cut kind of thing in the future
@jennahunt6861
@jennahunt6861 7 месяцев назад
I honestly walked out disappointed. I would have prefered a 2 part movie to get that dialogue to get that build up and jealousy. If I hadnt read the book id be happier. The casting was great, the actors were solid. But watching the snakes drop and what that caused and Ma not being ANY real part of the story was just heartbreaking.
@awsomerobyn2603
@awsomerobyn2603 7 месяцев назад
My dads first words when we went to go watch the movie we’re “this is like North Korea”, I’ve thought about it and he might actually be right. The whole not being allowed to leave without like serious punishment or death, the way out of control rules and ruthless government. I do also reckon that if there was a like civil war I could honestly see them doing a hunger games like concept. It’s sad though how these far fetched stories are becoming closer and closer to reality
@r.m.morison2636
@r.m.morison2636 7 месяцев назад
I felt the movie felt FAR too short and like I missed some thing’s, while watching it. I did read the book tho. However this movie and book solidified my opinion of Snow. I HATE him. He’s, honestly, worse than Bellatrix and Umbridge, together, and I hate them too, but I’d rather be around and hang out with them, than with Snow. I never rooted for him and I DID NOT ship him and Lucy Gray. And he did not CONVINCE me of his love for her.
@madisonmelton3624
@madisonmelton3624 7 месяцев назад
Lucky Flickerman was amazing in this movie! Best character for breaking the wall of seriousness in The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes.
@nicholaskling2425
@nicholaskling2425 7 месяцев назад
As someone who didn’t read the book, I did not pick up that Highbottom hated the games. I thought he just hated Snow, but everything makes perfect sense when it’s revealed.
@clover2739
@clover2739 7 месяцев назад
I have read the books but I think they did a great job anyway from when you first meet him how he’s unenthusiastic to be there and hates the games, and I think when you watch it again knowing what you know it makes it even more clear
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 7 месяцев назад
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@atlageek
@atlageek 7 месяцев назад
25:07 he reminds me of Commander Lawrence from Handmaids tale, he was the architect of this heinous system but then grapples with the guilt and responsibility of it afterwards
@AuthorZaraHoffman
@AuthorZaraHoffman 7 месяцев назад
“He takes good people and makes them think bad thoughts.” What a simple but powerful condemnation of Snow I’d argue that Katniss destroyed Snow more than Coin, and if she’s descended from Maude, then Lucy’s legacy is still what brought Snow down.
@SGomez
@SGomez 7 месяцев назад
I watched the movie yesterday when it came out in theaters and it was so so good
@KristinaUrsta
@KristinaUrsta 7 месяцев назад
I was at the premiere and I was MINDBLOWN. I am a very big Hunger Games fan. I read all the books, watched all your hunger games videos, and I couldn’t be happier with the movie I would even say I personally preferred more to the original three movies. I’m not sure if it’s because of the style filmed or what, but i’m kinda shocked it didn’t get great reviews from critics. May the odds be ever in your favor, y’all! ❤
@AHufflepuffAndASwiftie
@AHufflepuffAndASwiftie 7 месяцев назад
Speaking of other Reviews from you guys, are we ever gonna get the review for The Little Mermaid (Live Action) AND the review for Pixar's Elemental?? We never got them from you guys . . . 😥 AND oh, my gosh, what if they made a video kinda like this with Voldemort being the main character of the movie instead of Harry?? 🤯 Also, where are the notebooks?? Haha!! 😅 Raise your hand if you've been a fan of SCB long enough to remember the "notebook reviewing" days!! 🙋🏻
@TaraLionheart
@TaraLionheart 7 месяцев назад
For your question about for those who didn't read the books, what did you think of Dean Highbottom and where he stood: I knew from your videos that he is against the games but also didn't trust that I knew it all since I didn't read the book myself. It made me ask myself often 'how are they showing he doesn't like the games?' The biggest one is the way he turns his back on things related to the games. They show you that he turns his back in order to drink the morphling but he drinks it because he is running away from something. You aren't for certain that it is the games but you're 90% there. The real question is not actually 'does he hate the games?' but rather 'why does he hate Snow?' That is the thing you are left hanging on for the answer until the end of the film only to find out that Snow's father saddled him with the thing he's now forever trapped by - The Hunger Games.
@OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO
@OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO 7 месяцев назад
I was actually listening to the song more during Balled of The Lucy Grey… makes it seems like she planned to vanish as some point regardless of Snow or not… like she said, she was never district 12… they were travelers who were caught and placed there.
@monimon4418
@monimon4418 7 месяцев назад
i wish it would have kept in his more "pathetic" (in his eyes) moments like him truely being traumatized by the bombing and clutching onto lucy's skirt and all of the times that he would sniff his mother's compact. but ig these things were subtle and they might have been scared to show his soft sides. im sure they were trying to avoid what happened to american psycho
@edwardmikus7556
@edwardmikus7556 7 месяцев назад
33:35 According to the books, District 12 is in Appalachia and the Capitol is in the Rocky Mountains.
@rosariamareridt8647
@rosariamareridt8647 7 месяцев назад
So I listened to the audio book but was very unattentive to it to the point of falling asleep and waking up to various points of the novel. I didnt know that Highbottom was anti hunger games prior to the movie though the moment we see him his body language and reactions are mixed between disinterest and way too excited (ie when he sits on the steps for the reapings). Further when we see him in the classroom his reaction to Snow's suggestions and supposed enthusiasm is very cold and even a little panicked. Him being opposed to the hunger games wasnt a surprise to me because of the way he reacted, even if you consider the morphling to be making him act aloof, the pattern is just a little too solid. The only thing I questioned was why he'd be so hostile towards Snow since he and his dad were best friends so the surprise was moreso when Highbottom revealed he had written the paper and Snow's father submitted it without his permission.
@user-rr7ov9ei7u
@user-rr7ov9ei7u 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for such a great video! I would've loved it if you had made a longer review because I've really enjoyed watching how you compare the film and the book. I think you could've delved deeper into some topics like the aesthetics of the capitol, the worldbuilding of the capitol, more on Dr Gaul and how she pulls the strings, and the strategies used for the 10th Hunger Games.
@xarenanotmyrealname4134
@xarenanotmyrealname4134 7 месяцев назад
Off topic from video. I think you guys should do what ifs and theories for Avatar the last Airbender, a what if I was always curious about is if Zuko was straight out banished with no hope for returning what would he do? And how would it affect team avatar not being chased by him?
@CeciliaDjanOfficial
@CeciliaDjanOfficial 7 месяцев назад
I don’t know if you guys talk about this in the video but I just wanted to say it before watching. One thing I wish they did was give us what happened to Clemencia. Because in the movie after she gets bitten, and gets sent to the hospital we don’t see her again she never shows up for the games. And in the book it’s relevant, but in the movie it wasn’t because they also changed how Reaper dies and how Clemencia was refusing to send him food. Therefore, she wasn’t relevant because Reaper wasn’t really one of the main tributes in the 10th hunger games
@freshseaasmr3671
@freshseaasmr3671 7 месяцев назад
Every time a new movie comes out with a big fandom I’m always so excited to see your reviews!
@gabbodelaparrawrites
@gabbodelaparrawrites 7 месяцев назад
Getting Snow as the Plinths' heir in the movie doesn't make any sense because they did not set that up properly. We never see him have a relationship with them for it to end that way.
@kaylafranchesca5344
@kaylafranchesca5344 7 месяцев назад
It does. They don’t know snow killed their son so since it is believed that they were close friends, they give him money to go to university. Something their son will never be able to do. They grow a sort of attachment to him and take him in. This was said by the DR. at the end of the movie.
@gabbodelaparrawrites
@gabbodelaparrawrites 7 месяцев назад
@@kaylafranchesca5344 There's a thing call "show don't tell" that's my point. They could have set that better. It's not an argument, it's my opinion. Just respect it.
@gabbodelaparrawrites
@gabbodelaparrawrites 7 месяцев назад
@@ryankwon8785 A barely 30 second nod does not create a relationship. They couldn't even add that Sejanus forced his father to get Snow's diploma too. That's why I'm frustrated with that part of the adaptation. Show Ma sending cookies at minimum!
@Gilsidoo
@Gilsidoo 7 месяцев назад
Florida disappearing and the other coastlines not moving would be weird, I think it's more likely that it's district 13 that they don't want to display (unless the map displays district 13 somewhere)
@blueviolet6152
@blueviolet6152 7 месяцев назад
I saw it with my sister who have not read the book and after the first scene with dean highbottom she asked me “why does he work for the games if he hates them so much” so I think they did a great job with his character
@clover2739
@clover2739 7 месяцев назад
Yeah, I think they did a great job from the get go showing how he hated being there and was not enthusiastic in any way for it
@TheSharna23
@TheSharna23 7 месяцев назад
I think in those early years of the Games, being a school employee almost couldn’t be separated from being a Games employee.
@kaitlynjepsen4016
@kaitlynjepsen4016 7 месяцев назад
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who noticed the official Panem map!! Great review, guys!
@nixtypikal
@nixtypikal 7 месяцев назад
Great review overall but the whole, "Lucy Gray is Coin and Maude Ivory is Katniss' paternal grandmother" to be a bit contrived. For multiple reasons. In the books Maude Ivory is not in fact the only one who hears The Hanging Tree as the Covey have a concert for the Peacekeeper Commander's birthday where she sings it to Coriolanus as a way to inform him where to go so they can run away. The entire Covey was there and likely had a hand in performing the song. Throughout the story, Lucy Gray insists that she is not Capitol or District. So while it's possible that Snow hurt her to the point where she became bitter towards the Capitol people, her wanting a new Hunger Games and bombing the medics that were helping injured capitol citizens goes against her character. Maude Ivory has more similarities in physical features to Katniss' mom and Prim while Lucy Gray has almost the exact same description as Katniss herself, who gets her features from her father. So it is much more likely that Lucy Gray herself is Katniss' paternal grandmother.
@trinity4758
@trinity4758 7 месяцев назад
In the book Snow states that he very clearly thought it was a trap, because he heard her tracking back to get to the shed. That’s how he knew how to shoot her. I think we can see that thinking clearly in Lucy Grey as well because she has been very cunning since the beginning
@ERYN__
@ERYN__ 7 месяцев назад
It would be neat to discover that the version of the games broadcast is slightly different between the capital's edition vs what airs in the districts. Just thinking about where the production team switches to a wide shot during the actual gore shot to give the capital a slightly more sanitized version, where the districts, especially the victim's district, get gratuitous violence. This is something I've noticed more with reality TV editing of when they choose to switch camera angles, and an R rated cut vs a PG-13 rated cut in film.
@rachaelb9952
@rachaelb9952 7 месяцев назад
By far the best review I've seen on this movie! Love the detail and attention you have for not only this movie specifically, but the overarching themes as well. Super fun and enjoyable, thank you!
@j.adickey2002
@j.adickey2002 7 месяцев назад
30:00 The word gravitas was used correctly at or near this point in time! :)
@NotAMorningPerson4008
@NotAMorningPerson4008 7 месяцев назад
The movie was so visually pleasing. Like not only beautiful nature and such but also the way scenes were shot and the way the movie was out together. Beautiful. I thought that HG mentioned Tigris being Snow’s cousin or something or maybe I’m getting the books twisted. Rachel’s voice is AMAZING I was not prepared having never seen her play in anything!! It was beautiful.
@FrumiousMing8
@FrumiousMing8 6 месяцев назад
I thought the movie was shot and edited beautifully too. I just loved the filmmaking, it was gorgeous.
@pimakpimak
@pimakpimak 7 месяцев назад
The funny thing about watching it in a country where English is not the first language is that I wtached it in English with english subtitles. so we were able to read the captions of the song of Lucy Grey by Lucy Grey
@EowynG191
@EowynG191 7 месяцев назад
Just got out of the theater and I loved it!!! Great acting! (I love how everyone has a little twitch, a little peculiar thing that makes them so unique and also weird and also normal and human!) Great adaptation! (I love that they didn't ruin it by adding a useless plot twist! I knew what was going on, knew what to expect, and was simply happy with all I was seeing!) Great editing job, screenplay, etc! A really neat movie!!! (I love that it starts with "show don't tell" the war scene. I love that where the book explains, the movie did something to show and show you understand!) I also love the little changes, which I feel didn't take away from the story and just made the story come to life! (Like that ending! And those drops malfunctioning - I didn't think that was necessary, but I like the idea that they are trying to set up the Games and are figuring it out!) I also don't think I ever truly understood that snow was pretty much the reason the Games didn't die. If I did, I forgot it; the movie totally makes that clear! Oh!!!!! And I love the Lucy Grey scene at the end - they did such a good job with that!!!!! (I love love you don't know ehat happened to her! I love how suspicious she was, and that snake bite thing - how Snow wasn't completely over the line until THAT, and that's when he lost it!) Love, love, love, love, love! And now can't wait to listen to you guys share your thoughts about it! :) :) :)
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