The Truth about Micro Four-Thirds, with Derrick Story 

Stumbled across your channel Frederick and watched this video. How refreshing to hear people speak with respect and intelligence. No hard sell, no trying to shoot down fellow YTers. Subscribed immediately. Keep up the good work.

Two really nice guys talking about Micro 4/3 equipment. Thank you very much. I love my EM5 Mark 2. My wife just got me the 40-150 f2.8. Wow! Listening to you two and David Thorpe can get expensive, though.😀

Thanks for the nice interview. It's about the art, not the tools to make it.

I've changed systems several times during a 45 year photographic career, and find myself having returned to MFT for a third time. It's just so lightweight and user friendly. I think I'll be sticking with it now 😏🤗. I love the lumix menu system, and I can use lenses on it that I've owned for five minutes or fifty years.

That was a great program. I was missing Derrick longtime from your videos. Thanks for sharing, I do not miss any of your videos, I find them very informative and resourceful.

Really enjoyed this episode. A very good conversation👍🏼

The "best" camera format and lens selection depends on what the photographer is shooting, their budget, and other variables. A professional who sells huge photos of landscapes probably prefers full frame or larger format. A sports photographer wants great focus tracking and high speed shooting. Many wildlife photographers appreciate the weight of micro four thirds gear. Seniors appreciate lighter gear like micro four thirds as well. APS-C is a viable middle path for many.

Just found this channel and I own a lot of MFT gear and felt compelled to switch to FF or APS-C and did go to Sony. However, I still find myself going back to MFT for the portability. Not to mention the investment in the lenses which I can’t bring myself to sell. Great conversation here and still relevant 4 years later.

The shallow depth of field in the full frame is a sensor flaw. Remember shooting with 35mm film camera?

Night sky is easy with Olympus - simply use Live Time or Live Composite features ! Latest firmware for E-M1 Mk2 allows ISO100 use.

I bought my G80 in the UK, with no lens as I already had a selection of micro 4/3 lens, including my favourite ever, the Lumix/Leica Summilux 1.4 /25. I am more than happy with this camera body and the lens that fit.

Frederick, I like your idea of using the painter and paint brush analogy that it is the art that matters, video time 35:20

That was a great interview with Derrick Story. And very interesting discussion on micro 3/4 camera's, and Olympus camera's. Let's get Derrick back on the show again soon.

Can't help but agree with what is being said in theis video. I shoot wildlife exclusively and have used two cameras in tandem (mainly one fitted with a macro lens and the other with a long telephote or zoom lens). I currently own a Sony A7R4 and an Olympus EM1X. Previously, I owned a Nikon D500 and Oly EM 1 mark II. Before that I owned 2 x EM1 bodies. Works for me.

Got lucky and bought a G85 body only from Adorama for $499. Glad I didn't have to buy the lens too as I already have one. Had to buy it with a GX9 last year. Interesting talk. Thanks.

Excellent intelligent conversation on the Micro Four Thirds system. The Olympus EM5 and EM1 when combined with their Pro series lenses is perhaps the best option for anyone who shoots outdoors or wants a truly portable lightweight system and thats before getting into the picture quality of these cameras. It does have some drawbacks but nothing an experienced photographer can't solve by using the basic of exposure, shutter speed and the appropriate lenses

Glad to see Derrick back on the show! Photographers get too caught up in sensor size. You can do pro work via m4/3, FF and more. You can even (gasp) have both!! :)

For many types of photography the supposedly superior low light performance of full frame is illusory - we have to remember that for a fixed depth of field a micro 4/3 camera will be operating at two stops numerically smaller f-stop and ISO than a full frame camera.

Want to play with micro 4/3...love the Olympus style is awesome

Best combo for me is Olympus EM1 MK2 for 95% of my needs and Fuji GFX50s for large prints.

First time I've caught the show, loved it, thanks for sharing it with us, Frederick. Can you share info about the lighting and camera setup you used for filming the show in your studio? I saw two LED lights reflected in your glasses, tell me more! Totally impressed with your lighting, your delivery, and your enthusiasm. Looking forward to watching more of your channel.

I noticed that Derrick and I have similar gear choices. I am shooting mostly with m43 now (Pen F). I had the first Pen EP1, EP3, EM5 (2x). I love my Pentax K5 IIs and would never sell my (only) Nikon D700 which shares lenses with my Nikon FM3A and FE2 film cameras.

Pick a camera you like, suits your purpose, you can afford and you will use, it really is no more complicated than that.

You can shot the Milky Way with a little planning and some post processing application of computational photography - like image stacking to reduce noise = last Sept i took a trip into the Sierras and took a series of milky way shots - take a look www.hawkinsphotoalchemy.com/photo-post-template at a few shots. Photos with Olympus Omd EM-1 Mark II - Oly 7-14 2.8

I am not really a pro user of micro four-third, but I enjoyed my Little E-PM2, thanks to its compact size. If I wish to go-pro and I can always stuck my 12-40mm F2. 8PRO plus grip and FL-600R on it. However, I most use my E-PM2 as it intend to be a compact walk around camera body with a pancake lens, with or without VF-4.

Very thoughtful and intelligent discussion of MFT. I love my E-M1 MkII and I agree that it have an incredible number of features. It has become my go to camera for travel and general purpose photography. My full frame Canon gear mostly sits idle of late.

I noticed for video a bigger sensor in bright light is harder to tame or get a good exposure i have a sony a6000 and a panasonic g7 i havnt touched the sony in almost a year why spend extra money on bigger sensors just to spend more money on darker nd filters . And the lenses on bigger sensor cameras are so expensive. Is it really worth all that money just to post videos on RU-vid?The bigger sensors would be more suited for night photography and video. There is a slighty more crop with the g7 though.

Ripper Boys Great Story - Awesome Content!

I assumed the 12-60 kit lens was thrown in to keep the cameras weather sealed.

Old but superb video!

I enjoyed this, but while I think that we should always be able to buy a camera body on its own, the criticism of the Panny 12-60 was unjustified, and made them both look a little bit 'unqualified'.

Mr. Story, get the G90/G95 body in Hong Kong for US$870, albeit grey product, and your prayer will be answered. If you could wait 6 months, I am pretty sure you can get it for under $800. For your reference, the E-M1 II is going for under $900 today, brand new, no tax and legitimate.

It's horses for courses, if your going to shoot wildlife from a huge distance micro four thirds might not cut the mustard but for reportage and street photography they are ideal. I like using some of my vintage lenses and the X2 crop factor can be problematical under certain conditions so I also use Fuji giving a lower factor of x 1.5.

No offense but I had never heard of either of you, but liked and subscribed based on how good this is. Thank You

For astrophotography, check out the Four Thirds Olympus 50-200mm f2.8-3.5 zoom: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qmQnXoJ9JQo.html

I hate the term "Micro 4/3" It is still 4/3 format just using a smaller camera ! I swapped from Nikon APS-C and Full Frame to Olympus simply for the weight saving and have never looked back. My E-M1 Mkii takes better photos than my D7100 even in low light and I can travel the world simply carrying a small bag instead of looking like I am about to climb Everest.

Cool channel. Keep it up! 👍👍

FYI the Pentax K-1 is full-frame not APS-C though.

Pentax K-1 is FF. I have one and love it but my everyday camera is an Olympus E-M10.

Y’all are helping me I have bought in to 5 systems, looking for the perfect camera.and a camera that helps me create also easy for me to understand and use. I am in the process of eliminating some of this. First one I listed on eBay this week was the big z9, painful but it was my lesed favorite .this is really hard turning lose of this camera that I should love, now On the nikon side of this I still have the z62 and the zf which I have most of the best z lens, then canon will mostly be next to go only have 2 lens the 28-20 f2 and the 24-105 and the body is r62, and it gets harder now I am left with the om1 which is a top contender, then is the Fuji x5, then Sony a1 will most likely stay forever because of the economics it just fits my hand. Well, I know what all the buttons are gonna do. I’m not fidgeting with it all the time like a monkey with the football.

Nice job. I do have that 12- 60mm lens that you don't like. I bought mine used in pristine condition for a price discounted (from new) price. I like this lens and my Nikon 16-80mm for the same reason the - the focal length range is excellent for general photography. As I do a lot of close up work I don't mind using apertures of f5.6 and smaller. Don't worry I have other lenses for other things.

The fact that many MFT bodies are bigger than (Sony) FF bodies just defeats most of the lens size benefits.

Horses for courses‼️Too much white noise out there. The Samyang/Rokinon 12mm has shot some stunning astrophography. I lasted less than 10 minutes, off to take some photos on my Lumix GX8👋

Great video. I have the G85 and G9...the statement about the difference from 16mp to 20mp and cropping I agree with 100%...That was the first thing I noticed between the 2 cameras.

As a hobbyist photographer i used to get overwhelmed with all the information and which format to use. I had micro four thirds but currently have fuji xt1 canon 40d and 5d mark ii nikon d300 and had a sony a100. I have no loyalty to any brand or format i dont have any clients but myself.

I expected this to be well done but wow. Thanks for putting together another amazingly informative and insightful discussion of a pertinent topic for many that goes beyond the click-baiting stuff I mostly come across.

I think the Olympus color science is far better than panasonic , glass too

16mp was //is the sweet spot for APS-C any more would make low light images not good so sqeezing anymore on it seems ridiculous

Autofocus is certainly still an issue. Phase detect is far superior for video and Panasonic doesn’t even include it on their full frame offering. That’s lame.

If you want to skip the chit chat, content starts at 4:00.

It s only speech. I prefer to show images to se the truth.

You have to remember that you need the proper tools to get the job done if you're a professional making money. I haven't tried a mirrorless camera yet that can achieve autofocus as well as my Canon 1dx Mark II for professional sporting events and Wildlife. Different jobs require different tools. Battery life, weather Sealing, there's a whole range of items that are required when you're at the bottom of the Earth on a once-in-a-lifetime trip.

the problem with photography is youtubers being paid by camera-companies the problem with the medical industry is doctors being paid by the pharmaceutical industry The problem with.....

A camera is just a tool... you choose the one that serves the intended purpose. Why so much hate and discussion about what someone uses to make art? I just dont get it lol

EM1 - costs lots of money. That is why it is not absolutely killing it in the market.

Gx8

6:27 and less dynamic range. However, these days it's not AS bad, but still not as much DR as you'd get with a full frame camera that has a good sensor (Sony/Nikon). The GH5 has around 13 for DR and that's close to many recent Canon FF cameras and even better than certain Canon cameras). I shoot both m4/3 (G95 now, but previously G9 and GH5) as well as a Nikon Z7. I do love m4/3 for some things, but the raw files just can't stand up to much abuse in editing...even 'medium' abuse like lifting the exposure or shadows 1 stop. You'll get a lot more artifacts much quicker than you would if you start beating on a FF Nikon Z7 file in editing. If m4/3 could come out with a sensor that has a little over 14 stops or DR, great high ISO and files that don't fall apart too easily in editing, I'd totally be willing to switch over to m4/3 completely because the extra depth of field is actually a benefit for me.

They bundle that lens, just like other manufacturers bundle slow lenses with theirs to catch the wannabe, who they think is going to see it as getting more of a kit. I use a g9 and a nikon d810, the Nikon with a set of quality lenses from 15- 600 but truth is I pick up the g9 to enjoy photography and Nikon if being paid.

Q: What is a crop factor? A: Crop factor is a measure of how much you must cut your fro to fit in the passport photo requirements.

....2 is not, and never will be, a “hat trick”. As you were.

And lenses, of course m43 lenses is small, you need to times the F number two as well. A FF 35mm f 2.8 it’s also a small lenses which is 17mm f1.4 on m43.

The number of videos on RU-vid defending M4/3 and how it's not going anywhere makes me think...

The FF propaganda is just ridiculous. The best sensor size is the best one for your photographer need: define your need and then pick your sensor. Don't trust blogger and fashion buzz, but just use your brain. Nice talk BTW.

Unless I can get the equivalent of 12-24mm(FF), MFT is my no-go area. I'd love to travel lighter, but if I cannot get the lenses I need, thank you, but no.

The problem with a lot of m43 users is they are constantly trying to measure up to FF and screaming to the world how their cameras are just as good. It's a big insecurity complex. I use cameras with different sensor sizes depending on my needs but I don't make dumb claims because FF IQ is simply Superior and that cannot be argued. I understand I am making a sacrifice in IQ for size, or reach etc and that is fine depending on the goal I have in mind for the photos. Don't understand why it's so hard for m43 owners to accept that and enjoy their system.

I use Olympus and Fuji...We had a person using light sticks and I had the Olympus ...Another photographer had the Fuji XHI and another person with a Nikon Z7 and we all gave up because the EVF's went nuts.The guy with the Nikon D850 of course could see and compose. In heavy sunlight you can have problems with the EVF's too!

Well I listened to all the media and certain vloggers and sold all my Olympus gear and went to Sony I can say it's the biggest mistake I made but lost to much money to go back 😥

I was a little disappointed on the apparently unbiased talk when it was said that “the image quality of 20 MP [m43 sensor] is fantastic”: I have just returned a Pana GX9 because it’s RAWs were virtually indistinguishable from the ones turned out by my 16 MP Oly E-M10 mk3, using same 12-40/2.8 Pro and software. I have Fuji and Nikon too, and present 20 MP sensor/processing used by m43 is far from “fantastic”, IMHO, reminding me of early times when it was said that m43 was similar to FF...

Might as well use your phone

That 20mm f/1.7 is fantastic? Really? I'd have time to boil an egg in the time it tries to lock auto-focus (and DfD doesn't seem to help either). And when shooting video the camera refuses to even enter AF-C or AF-F modes with this lens, because even the camera knows how awful the focusing is with it.

F/1.8 on an MFT is F/3.6 on Full frame for light gathered. To get a real full frame equivalent f/1.8 lens, you're going to need an f/0.9. You can do it with speed boosters and bigger lenses, but they're bigger.

Just one question, what you do when companies stop making m43 camera? :) it’s not about the size, it’s about the sensor technology. When FF become mainstream, which it’s happening soon, you think people will pay the same money for a m43?? No way.

Micro 4/3 sensors will never have the Dynamic Range of a full frame sensor. People went through the same shit with film. Smaller negatives never produced the same as 35mm or 120mm film.

It’s not the truth. It’s enough for what you do, but it’s a no go for a lot of pro photographers. The limitations are to much. Not just low light and focus.

Would this video come from others persons, my words would be the same... so don't ever think about them as personaly targeted. You state art is everything. Agreed. Then you spend much of the video speaking about gear, but not globaly... just one camera, one lens, the another camera, then a bundle, etc. So... where's art ? All cameras can produce images... even a shoebox, with the proper pinhole in it can do wonders. My first steps into photography were due to my father, an immense journalist (and clever guy) who offered me a "camera" when I turned 6. All made of plastic, with the exception of hinges (not sure though), and sending back that horrible "hollow" sound you never want to hear from any of your gear piece. That makes me laugh still today ! Only thing I can remember name-wise was "ANASTIGMATUGOLENZ" written on the flat circumference of the front lens. Thought it was the brand !!! When it was just here to describe one of the optical elements. Some kind of crap, but transparent enough to let me create pictures ! Then... I got contaminated. Quickly. Visiting my father at his newspaper office, meetings with journalists and photojournalists, seeing how the whole thing works, etc. got me stuck on photography. From then, I purchased my first "serious" camera... Fuji AX-3 paired to a 50mm/f:1.6. What a creative tool for a teenager who doesn't know s*** about drawing or painting ! Other lenses and a flashlight came along. All that was key for me to discover the world of imagery. Then I started travelling, and became "more serious" by purchasing an entire Olympus system... OM2n + OM4Ti (with power grip) + two strobes + six lenses, etc. Sooooo fine, such marvelous pieces of gear were these products from Olympus. I spent some 12 to 13 years with them, and produced what I started to consider "creations". Which led me to try pro-photography. So I switched to some more serious gear... sold the Olympus-bag and invested in a full-on Nikon set... F5 + F90x (with power grip) + 70-200/f:2.8 + 28/f:1.8 + 12-24/f:2.8 + two SB Speedlight, etc. and went on to work full-time, published for many magazines, newspapers, Web-sites (Europe, Oceania, America). Several major problems occured, and I decided to quit. Definitely. As for pro-cyling, I "hung up my cameras" and never touched them again for... 15 years. They're still somewhere in a bag, in a box, in a closet. I changed job completely, to start something totally else. Then an accident happened early 2016, leading me to being unable to walk and work. When things started to get a tad better, I needed some creative way to walk on... and purchased a camera. The challenge was to find something simple, effective, efficient, light, versatile, (really) portable, "serious", evolutive, multi-purpose, etc. I did not want anymore photo-pack reaching 10+ Kg when stored in a bag... huge, unconvenient, impossible to hide, impossible to divide in "task-dedicated packs", potentially dangerous (everyone who fell down because of a heavy photobag knows what I mean... the "helicopter effect"), easy to steal (saw that during MTB World championships once), over-complicated, NOT user-friendly... etc. And guess what I bought ! Well.. I won't tell you, because we just don't care... neither you nor me. But I found my photographic swiss-knife, and it just makes me happy. ohhh... aside from that happiness... I was requested for paid work, and sold pictures and films (corporate, music video, shorts), with more to come. And I purchased that camera for less than 2000 USD, including zoom-lens, one filter, two extra batteries, L-cage, (hand and shoulder) straps, one SD-XC UHS-II card. ohhh again... never ever spit on new things, they're what may change your tomorrows. The real danger comes from "purists", THEY are the ones who try to persuade you they're right / you're wrong. And that "It was better back in the days.". They deserve the barrel-torture, just like in the XVIth century... when things were "better". Would you still press the shutter (several hundred times a day !) of a camera with cartridge-loaded film, silicium round-the-lens lightmeter, single-use disposable flash-bulbs, plastic backdoor, blurry optical finder with microprisms, no-never-TTL, 1/500th maximum shutter speed, no-never-AF (to be continued)...??? Really... would you, every single day ? SLR cameras were invented some day, they shall disappear... mirrorless cameras were invented (phew at last !!!), they shall disappear... something else shall come, that shall disappear too. And be honest... if a double-bass is that big (producing low frequencies), it's because a smaller one is a guitar (producing mid-range frequencies). If a 24X36 sensor produces some sort of quality, a half-sized sensor (with the very exact same technology all around) will give you half-the-quality. Be honest, thank you.