The TRUTH About Taylor Swift and Olivia Rodrigo's Feud 

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I totally agree... which is why it's mind boggling to me that IF Taylor had an affair with Tom Hiddleston, Zach would defend her. That seems way out of character to me

I love how he doesn't talk about Olivia copying other artist besides the Paramore story...which was so basic...GUTS already has so many comparisons already...its a pattern with her...if Taylor Swift did this we would be hearing about it non stop...

​@@katien.1921that's because NO ONE CARES ABOUT CALVIN HARRIS lol i know i couldn't care less about him

​@@katien.1921I think it's also because of the Calvin Harris drama that happened with the Rihanna song he basically tried to have sole credit of that song after the breakup and really had no intention of telling truth that's really was a shady thing to do thats why I think most swifties didn't want to side with him either

Olivia learnt "it's better not to meet your idol" the hard way (assuming that she feels slighted by Taylor)

completely agree :( it’s also sad that taylor feels obliged to give in to the heavy businesse side of music and even if she liked olivia, she still has to keep up her business. which is the sad reality of music today.

As a fan of Taylor, I can't even imagine how horrible I would feel if we met and it turned out she hated my guts. This took a real tool at Olivia's reputation as a writer, and coming from someone you loved since you were a kid.

@@vankr Even if something happened between them, I don't think Taylor hates Olivia, I think Olivia may or may not feel some way about Taylor which I can understand, but I don't think she would be justified in her "bad blood". I think Taylor may just not "love" her anymore, she is after all now direct competition so they can't be best friends because if Taylor wants to stay relevant she needs Gen Z more than us millennials and up and that is also Olivia's market.

​@@stillfangirlingtoday1468agree. Even if the situation differ but the competition is always there. She feuding with Katy Perry may becuz of backup dancers but if U think abt it, the market then was millennials n Katy is direct competition with Tay but now it's genZ so now it's Oliv who's Tay competitor . That's just how it is. N not to mention people just loves comparing the two women especially in terms of music n song writing. I mean Tay takes pride in her writing. If I were her, I would x be buddy-buddy with Oliv too even if she's a swiftie.

I am sorry but Taylor's passion is first and foremost MUSIC. I can't believe after everything she does for young artists and the music industry and then suddenly you still believe she felt threatened by this girl? Have yall forget how supportive she is for olivia and conan during their rookie year? Stop saying shit and spread lies.

will you share with us,how she handled this situation? looool do you work for taylor? or have an inside knowledge

@@anisanurraudah8383 I love Taylor, but she stood to benefit when they were helping her promote fearless and heaping praise and admiration on her, the least she could do was support their art too, but as the Swiftologist said, she tends to only want to support artists that are not a threat to her. If she were truly supporting Olivia, I think even if she felt she was owed the writing Cred for De Ja Vu...after Taylor herself has also been accused of copying other artists in the past, I would have thought she would have been more understanding and they could have peacefully worked something out, it seems like Taylor just happily took the Cred and money like it was all strictly business. I don't think Olivia would be so hurt if it had been handled better

⁠@@anisanurraudah8383Idk. Unfortunately it looks super weird when one of the most successful stars who people call “ the music industry” takes 50% of royalties of a song of a young artist. Even IF (big if) one could conclude that OR heavily lifted from Cruel Summer, that part of the song is like 20 sec long… doesn’t warrant 50% of royalties on a song that TS, JA and SV did not work on for a minute. Like looking at it from a macro zoomed out view… it does not look good. So understand when people have questions. TS isn’t a saint and has done things in the past that I’m sure she regretted (re: katy perry)

@@sarahmcdonough2307 The take that does seem to be the most reasonable take which is Taylor was taken aback by how successful Deja Vu was. But what confused me is that she did give Olivia a matching ring and called her "her little prodigy" when Drivers License was out, like there was no need to lift up a competitor that much without some of it being genuine, Olivia was already quite famous back then. Maybe Taylor considered it a good PR move to be a mentor or caring older sister. But then changed her mind?

and they hadnt attended the eras tour once. so suspicious when they're claiming the "biggest" or "number 1" fan of hers

Ooo that’s tea. I didn’t know that.

You guys their world doesn't revolve around Taylor Swift. They've both been busy with their own projects.

@@bargainhuntermama ofc but remember just a couple years ago those two literally worshiped taylor, they were full on stans calling her mother and what not, even while promoting their projects they would mention her. so it is strange this sudden switch up and negligence.... makes u really wonder lol

@@bargainhuntermama eras tour is considered the biggest grandest tour ever for swifties, if they're still a fan, why would they miss a night of fun and good vibes with other swifties? there's something really going on 'cause it's so easy for them to get tickets if they want to. i mean they could even have given vip seats where celebrity usually sits considering taylor already knew them.

Lana fans act the same way honestly. She didnt invent this tragic vintage lolita energy.

@@24kgoldplatedvermeil Yep! Fiona Apple for starters with the raw moody vibes that Lana also has

@@amrees5634 or hope sandoval of mazzy star

@@24kgoldplatedvermeil love Hope

@@amrees5634 🖤

Lol same

As hard as Taylor has worked for her career and success and after what was done to her by Scooter Braun and the false Stories the media puts out about her at times she had every right to take those royalties because I guarantee if it was vice versa Olivia would definitely take them

​@@TASwiftyFan13Does she believe in karma? But she doesn't believe in forgiveness. Which means sheer hypocrisy. Since she lied about Camila Belle and Katy Perry and even her guitar teacher she sued. Taylor L that she cheated or mistreated, she is a friend. She wants forgiveness from others but never forgives anyone and has already said that she doesn't believe in forgiveness which is hypocrisy. Joe Jonas she tried to cast him as VILLAIN when SHE hung up the phone. Clearly her narratives are unreliable. _She quotes her exes in a negative way, putting herself as a saint and instigating fans to judge, victimizing herself. Do other artists do this? no .If they reacted to her lies they would be called sexist. As her idolaters do to John. With Calvin Harris she was silent, because she knew he was going to turn on her. He wasn't afraid of her or her fans. A woman who lied about katy and never apologized or recanted. The dancers took Katy's side. A woman who vilified Joe for years with a call that SHE disconnected. A woman who cursed and lied to Camila Bele but never apologized directly and publicly as she demands of others. A horrible person apparently gave praise to have the support of children and teenagers fans. Does Taylor dance more than Beyoncé or does she sing? like Michel J? what totally new did she create? Michell is an inspiration to this day. In all the situations you mentioned, she never apologized, but the people she affected who were better than her let it go. She blatantly lied about Joe, Katy and Camila. And he never faced the consequences or apologized. very petulant

@@TASwiftyFan13No. Sorry, but Olivia didn’t do those things to her. Just because Taylor is successful and has been wronged by people doesn’t give her the right to royalties to a song she had no part in. That was a bitch move on her part.

It had nothing to do with money. It had to do with respecting other artists and giving credit where it is due. The fact that people do not understand that is astounding. Olivia must've had really shitty advisors.

For reference I’m a huge Taylor fan and I love her but this particular situation I wish she handled differently

Well, it doesn't have to be intentional. Her intent doesn't really matter, what matters is intellectual/artistic property.

@@amanda.paccagnella that part aside she’s also been torn down by swifties which has nothing to do with IP ( I’m not a lawyer I just feel bad for her as a person)

​@@beccac6812 Yeah, hate culture really sucks. But it's not Taylor's fault. She never even spoke about it, people just assumed.

@@amanda.paccagnella what about halsey sounding exactly like taylor and copying her music in her initial years!?

Yep

I don't think the reason for that is that they aren't a threat to her. I think the reason is that those kind of artists have more artistic credebility. Taylor has always craved approval from the non-mainstream/ indie artist community and associating with them boots her credebility. Olivia on the other hand is currenty making "teenage girl music" which is a label Taylor tried really hard to escape (and also the accusations surrounding Olivia being "unoriginal"," an industry plant" and let's be honest her lyricism being weak), being compared to and associated with her probably bothers Taylor.

@@nilay_nurI have to disagree with Olivia’s lyricism being weak. I think it’s better than a lot (though not all) of what Taylor put out at 29, especially on this album. And her elevating gayle by bringing her on tour when gayle is only known for 1 song that went viral shows Taylor isn’t all that interested in only elevating “good” indie artists. And I like Gracie Abrams but lyrically she’s weak at times, and no better than Olivia in that aspect, yet Taylor invites her to be an opener. I think sometimes it’s true that Taylor elevates artists she respects as artists (like the national , big red machine, bon iver)…but when it comes to new artists she only seems to endorse those who are less popular and have less potential than she did at their age and don’t threaten her status in the industry.

I have noticed that Olivia is the first big artist coming out with Taylor Swift influence. And taking your comment in consideration, this situation doesn't seem right really.

@@nilay_nur Olivia is way bigger than Taylor to Gen Z and some millenials and baby boomers. She is THREATENED!

@@crow0924yes! I’m a millennial and a fan of Olivia and I see many of my peers are as well. She has something nostalgic about her that I think takes us back to the every 00’s. I also like Taylor but Olivia has something special about her and I think she’s threatened big time.

"You can't own a singing style for god's sake" !!!!! Exactly this

go and say that to olivia cause she wrote and added the credit looool you talking as if taylor launched a legal case@@magnoliaskogen

Do we know how Taylor got credit and the specifics of all of this? I’m so curious. Maybe Olivia just agreed because she didn’t want Taylor to sue? Why agree to give Taylor credit if it’s not even similar?

@@nadaAhmed-nz7yeit’s very possible she did it to stop the drama and keep peace, not necessarily bc it was true.

@dahjiat.8562 That's speculation from your part...none of know what happened..but it seems some are acting like they were there loool

Ts slowly copying Lans del Rey music style

@@xandroid87 "Everything is copy". The 3LW lawsuit was dismissed by a judge. If you read the alleged "stolen lyrics" it's clear as to why. My father is an entertainment/IP lawyer who does these kind of cases all the time (albeit his clients aren't megastars), the legal analysis of song credits is so boring, but after reading several dumbed-down- yeah I can hear it. If Taylor sued her over that- ? If Olivia gave the credits in some weird good faith/publicity thing then- ? In contrast, even w/ an untrained ear, the first time I heard good 4 U, I thought I was listening to Misery Business- and kept accidentally singing that instead. Smart move on Hayley's part because I didn't even know her name or remember the band Paramore until good 4 U (which I prefer to MB). I love Olivia's music and am so ready for this to be in the past.

@@sociallyenginerd8846 Not sure if this was a factor- Jack Antonoff sold his catalog (rights?) to Hipgnosis- their was an article where the founder shops w/ writer and proudly proclaims which music he "owns". Also, in 2020 TS moved to UMG publishing from Sony/ATV. We don't know her contract with them or her label- but I wonder what compromise she made to now be able to own her masters.

Cruel Summer came out before Deja Vu

@@sociallyenginerd8846 LDR drew inspiration from 50/60's era- but added a modern, yet personal twist. Kinda similar how upcoming artist Stephen Sanchez does w/ that era's aesthetic? Amy Winehouse also drew inspiration from previous artists in earlier times.

It really feels like Taylor took the first move to step away from Olivia personally and then Olivia accepted the distance and maybe had her admiration for Taylor as a person jeopardized. For me, it shows because Olivia had other friends who were obsessed with Taylor too and they also stopped talking about Taylor. They were all normal swifties that couldn't shut up about Taylor like we all are, they didn't know it could be messed up by media and toxic parts of the fandom. Nonetheless, I don't think there's a song in the album about Taylor, but the rupture in the admiration you have for someone you look up to appears in GUTS in a more general sense. Throughout the songs, it just feels like she's trying to reflect and cope with where she messed up when she was naive and what she did wrong, as well as some kind of identity crisis. If there is a feud between them or even a "cold" treatment from Taylor, it resonates in a more general aspect in Olivia's latest album.

Exactly- the Ariana and Mariah event definitely is comparable to this situation with Olivia and Taylor

Exactly. The fact people are trying to paint situations like this as feuds is just invasive imo

Said it perfectly

Olivia inspires me.. My parents said if i get 50K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally Begging.

@@KpopLover1013I do think there is a key difference in the situations which is Taylor’s early support. Mariah ‘shaded’ Ariana from the beginning but Taylor was sending Olivia stuff and showing her lots of love early on which is why the twitter stans have gone wild as if they know what’s going on when none of us really do.

LMAO

Big thought: It could very well be the publishers for the labels who wanted to pursue it and in that case, a bunch of NDAs and legality comes into play. That's why Olivia seems to beat around the bushes over the instance and Taylor can't or won't address it (yet). The bigwigs at Universal Music Group don't play around despite Taylor's presence. Taylor already gave them a 'hose mad' moment when she didn't want to work with their conglomerate for the Eras Tour movie. Like just a few months ago, artists from the 80s and 90s were suing Universal over copyright dispute and each of their attempts were denied in court.

Olivia inspires me.. My parents said if i get 50K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally Begging.

They can’t accept this very strong theory because they’re accepting that Taylor is flawed; and that she may have hurt someone or done something to someone that didn’t deserve it. They can’t handle that. It ruins their perception of Taylor.

@@aaliyahfoster2705 that is a fascinating take.

I'm not sure about Hayley but Sabrina and Taylor has been publicly close even before Olivia came into the picture. Plus, many of Taylor's fans took Olivia's side during the drama because Olivia was in the same agency as Taylor and Olivia was a huge Swifie, etc. With a fanbase as big as Taylor's, at least some of the backlash Sabrina received could be traced back to Taylor. I don't think it's unfair for Taylor to invite her long time friend who's been wronged by her fans to be her opening act. I think regardless of whether Sabrina had association with Olivia or not, in that context, she would have been invited anyway.

Tay releasing Cruel Summer as a single 10 days before Olivia's big comeback with Vampire

@@imlike_tt3428 so were Taylor and Hayley. they go waaaay back, became friends around 2011 I wanna say

and notice how Olivia basically disappeared after her awards performance. She did not stay to sit in the audience or appear in any crowd shots. it was not a safe space for her bestie

That second one for SURE. It’s called triangulation in psychology. She is aligning with H. Would she have done that without the issue with Olivia? I personally doubt it.

*imagine

@@rosiex1841lol

Since I'm not a hardcore fan of either but do listen to both artists' music, this was my thought as well. I just kept thinking about the irony in all this manufactured drama. I feel for Olivia.

True! But at the same time...Taylor doesn't even really 'disguise' who a lot of her songs are about, and most of the time there's no use in any of us even pretending we don't know who it's about, because she's not trying to hide it. Songs like Innocent, Better than Revenge, Dear John, Bad Blood, Look What You Made Me Do, Vigilante Shit. There are a few we have to make educated guesses about, but she generally leaves very obvious clues in her lyrics. If she really didn't want people guessing/talking about who it's about, she'd be less obvious. She knows it's what people do, and have done for her entire career. Why is everyone up in arms suddenly because people are analysing Olivia's songs in the same way? like we all happily thoroughly dissected Midnights songs and talked about the subjects - we assumed Question was about Harry, then rethought that re: Matty, but it's unreasonable to talk about any of Olivia's songs maybe being about Taylor? I think Bad Blood is the best comparison...two pop girlies feuding...if we went back to that era, would you guys all be like "it's reductive to talk about the song being about Katy Perry, it MAY be slightly about her, but probably not" like no one was even questioning it, we were all just like yeah....the Katy Perry dis track haha - which she responded with swish swish. I do think that if Olivia did incorporate elements of the Taylor feud into vampire, she cleverly disguised that so it wasn't the sole focus of the lead single - which would be kinda silly. The grudge though...how is including that track any different to Taylor including bad blood in 1989? I definitely think it's fair to speculate (and she might actually want that?) because there are some very obvious clues like the flowers you sent and "you built me up to watch me fall" "you have it all and you still want more" and it absolutely seems to be about someone she looked up to hurting her and not a romantic relationship. It doesn't make the song any less artistic, I think it's actually really neat to get that little glimpse into her feelings. They're not as angry as bad blood, more sad. The most painful line being "you're still everything to me". For reference: I'm both a swiftie and a livy! I'm not taking sides or mad about who's calling who out, but definitely have been curious about what has been going on between them, and I can't deny...the Grudge does sound like our answer to those questions 🤷

@@sarahmcdonough2307 sure but that's not really what I was saying. I was reffering more to the narrative around it, and how their songwriting then ends up being spoken of as a trick rather than a skill. Most of what I've seen about Vampire isn't really about the quality of the songwriting, even though its a really good song, but about who the song is about. It distracts from the song itself. I agree that Taylor doesn't try to hide who her songs are about, and in consequence to this day there are many many people who reduce her to "that girl that writes songs about her exes", and that's the really damaging part. Olivia is already vulnerable to those kinds of comments becouse she has that same sort of diaristuc writing style. I was more commenting on the fact that history is repeating itself and that's sad. As for the feud, I'm not taking sides either, but I kind of think it would be wierd if Taylor was actively feuding with a 19 year-old girl. At the same time, they're not obligated to like each other and at the end of the day they are competitors.

​@@Taylorislife13no

​@@vickypd7020I think Taylor is not feuding with Olivia. She is neutralizing her competition for a age group that would definitely prefer Rodrigo over her. For her it might be pure business to snub off the competition and move on. For Rodrigo it must be learning why people say never meet your idols.

OH MY GOD. LUKE AND ZACH. HIII

Luke is a swiftie??!

Same as you! But also; we know Taylor isn’t emotionally mature as the average 30 something bc of her fame.

​@@vickyj7834 yup, ive been thinking the same thing. "Sometimes i feel like i get older but just never wiser" boooy did she nail herslelf on the head with that one💅

​@@vickyj7834 I agree she could have handled this situation more maturely because she has been in the business way longer than Olivia and she is almost double Olivia's age thought that she would be more understanding of Olivia but I guess not😅 I love her music but in this situation 50% cuts without any contribution in the production is just not sit right with me. I understand how heartbroken Olivia must have felt since Taylor was just like her hero 😢

Katy perry released swish swish when the public turned on taylor so she did have her full circle moment you said your a drama queen but forgot katy clapping back to taylor

See I understand Taylor asking for royalities. And I understand Olivia being mad about it. Sad part is I get them both

Good point, but also consider how she is calling Sabrina Carpenter her baby and taking her under her wing. Regardless, Taylor has made it obvious that there is no need for a friend/mentor/mentee relationship between her and Olivia.

@@mkschiavonei think Taylor might have resonated with sabrina’s story of getting backlash for dating olivia’s ex. Hence she might have wanted to stick by her vs olivia

​@@mkschiavoneikr & that is just sad

​@@Bluebootythat's so wrong though.. Sabrina was wrong for flirting with a guy who's already in a relationship. And moving on too quick too.

@@nishthagupta1357 Joshua and Olivia already broke up by the time Sabrina and Joshua were talking. and the situation was completely exaggerated by the internet. Sabrina never flirted with Joshua. Olivia has already stated that her and Sabrina have no beef with each other, it’s been years leave Sabrina alone.

Her feud with Katy Perry was understandable tbh

Swifttok is irrelevant to my life……

Good for u haha sometimes swifttok can be a bit much…

It is delulu land. Do you think there will be a Bad Bunny collab. It would be smart to tap into his fan base. @@theswiftologist

Swifttok is a cesspool of toxicity…

@@roberto-zw6ru Bad Bunny was recently on a single called K-POP with The Weeknd and Travis, both huge artists as well. Made little waves compared to their own works.

Smartest take

Yeah I know that now

Trueee

This is an excellent analisys. She’s a sweet cut throat bitch. My inspiration. 😂

thats definitely one of the biggest things i like about taylor - her business practices are genuinely so interesting to study. lets be real, the only reason taylor has survived the industry for 17 fucking years is because shes climbed over other artists and done some really selfish things. if you're 100% a good person, you're not gonna make it in hollywood. i truly believe that taylor is a good person, but shes definitely not an angel, and shes done some REALLY shitty things

Ikr

😂

Not sure we can say Billie is a flash in the pan just because she only had a couple hit songs from her last album, I think we need to wait to see how her future albums perform first. Billie is also selling way more tickets than she ever has before, so clearly her previous album hasn't impacted the amount of people who want to see her live.

I don't think she was ever happy with the idea of stepping aside, and now that she thinks she might not have too she's trying to devalue the competition, which like you said, is heartbreaking hypocritical

It definitely does!!

You’re exactly right

Her woman of the decade speech was a cringe-fest 🫣

One more thing: St. Vincent it's friends with Olivia and has worked with her on "Obsessed", a still to be released song from the physical vynil edition of GUTS. So Jack and St. Vincent are out of the picture... Who do we think asked for those credits? Clear as day! Lol

Someone told me that since Olivia herself said that Deja vu was inspired by cruel summer, she COULD NOT not protect her song and let go of the credits AND then fight for credits on her other songs. We all know taylor is very protective about her art and i think she had to do this to defend her art in future, but the fact they got like 50% of royalties is beyond me.

For real, it's all so clear!!

Elvis Costello is a true one here to defend Olivia truly ❤

​@@JayaAgarwal-yj6qzyes 50% royalities is a lot tbh.. Though taking Sabrina on tour & being petty to hurt Olivia & influencing Hayley Williams to get credits as co writer on another track by Taylor really bugs me a lot

Rejected her? Please elaborate

​@@wonderunicornninja well I agree not reject 😅 but Taylor go after Olivia if we look closely at what she did. I love both artists but it was a surprise to me because Taylor Swift a person who I believe that tell others to protects young artists can treat Olivia that way. 50% royalty cut without any contribution in the production was too much😅 she saw the relation ship with Olivia like a business more so I can see how heartbroken Olivia much feel as a die-hard fan of Taylor. Taylor just like opps well come to the business reality kid😅

​@@Clair648👏👏👏

I mean Joni might find it distasteful to be compared (for the lack of better term) to a teenage exes-related drama songwriter (a label that can't be erased sonce it's Taylor most lucrative drama to sell to her fans)

I'm glad I've been seeing more people coming to Olivia's defense on tiktok cause it started feeling like everyone on there was against her

"The grudge" is about Taylor. Vampire is about her exes tbh

I a new swift but only because i admire Taylor's outsmarting the music industry and her how incridble she is on tour, but I know she can be a mean girl and then when she's called out she plays victim or mock the backlash in her music. I get genz referencing the 90's and early 2000's can get annoying, but i feel like Taylor of all people could have handle that without making her feel regret for looking up to her. She basically did to her what Kanye did to her.

Ikr

​@@lstarsabb yeah & that's sad

@@lstarsabb "She basically did what Kanye did to her" sorry, what????!!!! were you not alive during 2009 or something? cause Kanye west literally embarrassed in front of the whole world on live tv in her first VMA award ever. Till this day he said "he made her famous", literally. Comparing the situations is absurd and offensive tbh.

@@lstarsabb The last sentence is just purely wrong.

Ikr I'd feel destroyed too coz I idolised Taylor as well

Exactly!

She got offered too, but decided to gain more money from rerelasing the whole projects instead of paying for old albums that most of her fans already had (& would only generates little money in the future too) So yeah, it's just business. But as usual, she cleverly cover it up as another victimised drama. Which proven to be successful again and again.

Yet Taylor associates herself with Sadie, Gracie, Sabrina…

Excellent point. If the two were not in the same industry, would they be friends? Probably not. The age gap is significant. Why should they have to have a relationship, just because the run into each other at work occasionally?

That depends of what you mean by friends. The very close, tell each other all your secrets, kind of friendship is probably not appropriate between two people with such a large age gap but I don't see why a more casual friendship wouldn't be possible. Friendships aren't like romantic and sexual relationships is that sense.

@@TheGrandOFFtrue and I thought about that as well, the difference to me is that Olivia is experiencing media pressure and scrutiny showcasing her more directly under Taylor’s shadow of being compared to her, whereas the other artists mentioned have a more recognized separate lane (Sabrina and Sadie from acting and Sabrina’s singing, although Sadie was of course a major part of ATW’s short film) and Gracie is a more niche artist who doesn’t receive that level of media comparison to Taylor. Even with being part of the Eras tour like Sabrina and Gracie, their art is more distinctive from Taylor’s where they don’t have that same media pressure as Olivia of her work being encompassed by looking for clues of how her songs emulate Taylor or discuss Taylor in the lyrics. I think that Olivia would need more space/distance for the reasons Swiftologist described.

@@TheGrandOFFGracie? 24. Sabrina? Also 24. Sadie is 21 but all Taylor asked is that she act in her music video, it’s not like they’re best friends and they’re on the same contact level as Taylor and Olivia. 20 and 24 may only be a 4 year age gap but the difference between a freshly 20 year old and a 24 year old is night and day

Idk if it’s worth being a shitty person just to be a good business person

When I pitch to investors, it's considered super bad form to say anything bad about direct competition. The polite thing is to point out the differences or advantages your product has. I only have one direct competitor to my business in the world and I'm still friendly with them. Quite frankly, I think acting like Taylor has is worse business. I've been a fan for 17 years and this is the first time she's genuinely disappointed me

⁠@@MoMo-rx4zrBut it’s kind of a losing battle IMB because she is never going to appeal to Gen Z as much as Olivia will. Every generation gets their own voice. This doesn’t mean Gen Z can’t like Taylor’s music it Millennials cannot like Olivia’s but your music and life should change as you age. And people like relating to artists We can talk about other artists declining but some of the decline is the other artists are raising families. And you know what there is something to be said for that.

​@@bekalynn1980but Guts not perform as good as SOUR and why's that?

​@@LS-us1jmikr

Right on. She knew the excellence on Sour when she saw it, and look now ... Olivia has emerged from "sophomore slump" territory victorious, as did Taylor with her second album. When you know, you know

But 😭 am I just naive in thinking that it would be best to make Liv an ally then an enemy? I don't get why she'd be threatened when she has the world in her hands right now. Why choose the Nicki route instead of the Lana one when dealing with new artists? nooooo tay this is a treacherous road, so much can go wrong here.

Olivia was overrated from the beginning. I thought Olivia’s songwriting was very mediocre. Like you can tell she’s a new artist. I just think she’s going for an opposite image than Taylor like… a bad girl vibe instead of a good girl

@@Im_Julissa okay? That's just your opinion lolllll. Me and millions of others love her. We'll be fine without your stamp of approval. Clearly she must be kinda good for Taylor and her fandom to want to rip her all the time. If she was the flop you want her to be, she wouldn't be living in your heads rent free.

but reading into all of this with no official statements is actually extremely parasocial lol

@@pinkmenace2452this is taylor swift we're talking about. Not making official statements and saying things without saying them is kinda her thing. So things are always a little parasocial with her. And for the record in comparison to all the crazy reaching a lot of fellow swifties take part in... this is more just observing a pattern in real life.

I think it ultimately reflects negatively on Taylor, going after a teenage girl

@@vankr It does but i believe she never intended it that way. Was probably purely a business thing. Had she handled it like paramore it would not have come across like that.

@@vankr at the end of the day age doesn’t matter in the industry. It’s all business 🤷‍♀️

love Sabrina but I wonder if Taylor gets deja vu?

I also thought it was a little weird, considering Sabrina has been around for a while (though not all that visible honestly until the whole Driver’s License situation), but Taylor only very recently aligned herself with Sabrina-like post-Sour release… definitely interesting.

@@noiya.r.n Swifties and Carpenter (I am in both fandoms) don't want to acknowledge it but Taylor didnt really acknowledge sabrinas existence till last year really. People acting like they were close friends before all this are having some crazy revisionist history

@@msvolleyball321 you are so right. love Sabrina down, but it's so obvious Taylor is using Sabrina as a pawn to hurt Olivia's feelings. The sudden investment in her (and Ice Spice) to suggest Taylor is a mentor, when the truth is that neither of them are threats. it's really disingenuous. Obviously, all three benefit, but none as much as Taylor

@@libertyJexactly Sabrina isn’t a threat so she doesn’t mind pushing her like on her tour it’s so sneaky how more people don’t see this is beyond me

Actually I’d still do it.. which is agree, protect and love our beloved blondie.. Had been with her since 2005 when I never even understood what ‘Country music ‘was but would always gravitate towards her songs whenever it would come on TV Nothing you or anyone says would stop like us from supporting our Anti Hero 🍭 And I hope these libbies would stop being delusional about olivia.. She starts all the feud by bringing up Taylor all the time and when she gets negative press can’t handle it. Taylor has been through worse but she always proceeded with grace and smart moves. Sorry not sorry

@@gyatiangel an opinion I don't agree with whatsoever, but I won't argue about your feelings towards Taylor 👌💪

@@gyatiangeland this is why most Swifties have a bad reputation. Just because you were a fan since 05 doesn’t mean you can’t have an objective POV. You’re probably 35 and up right? I think it’s ok to let Taylor fight her own battles.

I agree about Taylor picking Gracie and Sabrina to open for her. Olivia had stated Gracie as her inspiration for writing Drivers License and a lot of the Sour album and then Taylor just so happens to choose her to open? It’s very strategic and I think she’s trying to get under Olivia’s skin by stating that Gracie is her predecessor. Olivia did nothing wrong in my opinion.

Agree , this is the reason why Some hardcore swifties are getting a bad rep and being made fun of. Taylor is already in her 30s already. In a few years she’ll be in her 40s. They need to Grow up!

Lol just got to the part where you talk about it too

Are you delusional??? Forced friendship with sabrina???

@@Junelily89 I am not! Thank you. I meant it looks forced, which means inorganic and disingenuous. They might be friends now, but it didn’t happen because of a natural spontaneous connection. It was a planned move on Taylor’s or her management’s side. I stand by it!!

I completely agree with your take. It’s natural for taylor to feel insecure, but her actions have been quite petty. I fear she’s too powerful for anyone to tell her what to do, or not to do, she just lets her emotions take over sometimes

@@SallyRoden your right. And it’s not to say Taylor is a bad person or anything of course, everyone has flaws but some of her more petty energy towards Olivia makes her crazy stans feel like they need to have a boxing match with Olivia which is crazy 😂

@@SallyRodentrue. We are all insecure about one thing or another and that’s human. But it’s another to be insecure and act on it and that is where I think Taylor did the wrong thing. She acted on her insecurity and used her immense influence to essentially “bully” a teenager and get undeserving million dollars.

@@barebear0913 I respect your opinion but I think your wrong about that. She definitely didn’t “bully” her. From what I know Taylor was just insecure and she distanced herself around the time of Deja Vus release. I really don’t think that Taylor used her influence to bully her I believe it’s exclusively stan twitter delusion which is doing the most. Taylor did a couple of things behind the scenes which in my opinion eliminates the point of her being a “bully” and sending the mob on her.

@@SallyRodeni seriously don’t understand how it’s petty to want to be given credit when another artist does an interpolation of your work. People are treating taylor like she’s the fucking evil queen in snow white, doing anything to stat on top. Olivia can’t get mad if she takes taylors music, puts it in her album, and taylor wants credit. I love interpolations, personally, but you have to give credit if you take inspiration from somewhere else. Olivia has more money than god. She’s fine.

But what female artist from her generation is capable of being at her metheoric level?

her stylist quite literally was at fault for the grammy drop along with the silky gloves , like did u even see the video? she was posing when her stylist was making touchups, moved olivia and the grammy slipped

THANK YOU. That bridge was so obviously directly inspired by Olivia and definitely wasn’t written during red. I just don’t believe it sorry.

Not to mention, even if most of it was written along with the rest of Red, there’s definitely a reason she chose to make it one of the vault tracks at the time-the first re-recording after Sour was released and the whole copyright claims debacle.

That's an interesting take. I always thought "wow, what a coincidence that it's been written so long ago yet it fits Olivia perfectly now", but maybe you're right, maybe it wasn't a coincidence after all

Omg thank you I’m glad I’m not alone in this! I do not understand how people are thinking it’s about taylor. If you cherry pick a few lines-sure you could literally make it about anything but the song as a whole very clearly sounds like it’s about an ex lol

most sane comment

@@brusselsprout7634 Actually I don’t think anything on GUTS is about her. I think the albums definitely explores the feelings and relationships she faced at 19.

I’ve seen people compare Deja Vu to Cruel Summer, and I just don’t get it. They sound nothing alike.

​@@ascendednightingale2456its in the bridge but yeah, people make a bigger thing of it than it is

Agreed. 1sf3sb sounds nothing like New Year’s Day imo and it took me way too long to get the resemblance between déjà vu and cruel summer.

I think the sound is not really similar, but the lyrics - and the way they both tell very personal stories in her albums, and fans listen to it, relate to it, and then try to extract the meaning behind it - THAT is very similar. It's almost like even though the songs don't SOUND alike, they offer a very similar experience to a very similar target audience.

Taylor has definitely “copied” other artists… and, in her case, ones without the same level of fame and power as her.

Also Paramore Misery Business. You can mash-up We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together with that, and it'd sound almost identical (albeit slower tempo than Misery Business)

Truth! Somebody here even made a whole list of songs that TS interpolated from yet she never had to share her royalties with those artists.

@@isplongklongit’s up these artistes to go after her

@@DerpyFaery These artists consider it petty and unprofessional to go after royalties, especially when it involves a young and naive, up and coming artist. They know that every artist has interpolated from other artists, which makes Taylor accepting the 50% of royalties for "Deja Vu" truly petty and unprofessional.

But aren't the credits managed by the teams?

tbh they were never chose. taylor being supportive at the start and them meeting once doesn't make them close. i do think olivia might have still been sad that taylor stopped showing support though.

this sounds reasonable enough

@@emiliass yea thats fair. It probably didnt mean much to Taylor but i think it meant a lot more to Olivia, as Taylor was once her favorite artist.

@@thisismetrying17 i am not sure but I think taylor team would consult Taylor before making any decisions.

1st one (started his own company- hired from age 13-15; shared w/ Britney Spears- who worked w/ him from '97) they hired sued her & parents in '07. 2nd one (she hired from her label at 16 in '06- w/ no managerial experience- his background was radio). He had left to prioritize his family just before headlining in '10. Her team includes veterans: Frank Bell (radio veteran- introduced TS to many, network connections, knew her from birth?); Tree Paine (Major label exp. w/ well-known former clients, PR/Marketing- husband heads a branding company); Robert Allen (former tour director for Def Leppard (brother of drummer) & Tim McGraw/Faith Hill)- he actually may do more of the management aspect of the group. She has a few others on her team (lawyer, PA & others) and agents from other companies.

Her parents are business savvy, enough to help her manage everything. Plus they are well connected with great influential people, which makes a more solid team. Because without a manager, she can freely do anything. No pressure to do specific things. That's also shows how petty she is in handling this case. She could've easily calmed her fanbase with a simple Guts shoutout on socials or something, and reject Liv team 50% cuts. 'Woman supporting woman' huh?

Ikr

you're the type who called taylor snake back in 2016..making scenarios she did anything without any proof..shows me you just a livi looool

I‘m really not a livie, even though I definitely enjoy and respect Olivias music but I am a big Swiftie. Doesn’t change the fact I feel bad for Olivia because she‘s the one receiving the hate and criticism in this situation even though it affects both of them. What I‘m really sick of is people acting like Taylor is some untouchable saint that could never possible do anything wrong. Nobody is like that. And Taylor isn’t an exception. She has fought so hard to be respected as a songwriter and to get credit and respect for her work and has also had to deal with ridiculous and far-fetchef copyright claims over the years. So I really cannot understand why she would be okay with Olivia being put in the same situation right at the very start of her career. This whole label as being „unoriginal“ and a „copycat“ has been following Olivia around ever since and I don‘t think she‘ll be able to get rid of it anytime soon. Is Taylor the one writing mean comments and hating on Olivia? Of course not. But had she handled the situation differently (more like Hailey Williams, like Zac said) than this whole drama could have been avoided.

@LH-pj4cx First of all, no one is perfect..olivia got a reputation for ripping artists, and it started with G4U..not with dja vu..paramore got credited on G4U..and how did paramore handle it better when they got credit..you blaming taylor for actions done by olivia for giving credit..take it up with her loool

@@nadaAhmed-nz7yeyou don't seem to understand how music works. Almost every artists are inspired by one another, they are thousand to million songs that sound the same because of similar chords and vibes. Ed Sheeran won his lawsuit. Why are you trying to single out Olivia? Many singers/songwriters have interpolated songs from other artists, some of them give credits and some of them did not. Elvis Costello defended Olivia because his song Pump it Up was also inspired by Home Sick Blues of Bob Dylan and Too Much Monkey Business by Chuck Berry. Elvis said, it's his rock and roll works, you take a broken pieces and make a brand new toy. It's interpolation. How did Paramore handle it better? Have you forgotten Olivia was 17-18 years old when her songs/debut album came out, and you expect a teenager to know how music business works on their debut album? Read the music sheet, Misery Business and Good 4 U, both songs have different chords, different melodies and different lyrics and story are miles apart. The only similarity is both songs have same vibes. Hayley did not agree with the credits, but probably one from former members pursue this, that's what they were saying. Songs with same chords and similar vibes are not subject to copyright. Ed Sheeran said, it's a building block of music. It will destroy music and musicians in general. It is similar to the saying, "No one can own the color blue", because it will stop artist from painting. If you grew up in 90s, many songs especially in Pop and Pop Punk and Rock sound the same. It was my childhood.

@ClearSky81-mb5ph you are acting as if taylor launched a copyright claim..she didn't.. the credit was added by the artist ... unless you have insider information that taylor demanded credit. Otherwise, take it up with the artist themselves

Yeah Lizzy is also a bit more popular than Gracie

What do you think the Grudge is about then?

@@sarahmcdonough2307 A romantic relationship probably? Like most of her music? Like why would anyone say "but I wanna scream 'how could anyone do the things you did so easily?'" about a famous person, even if they were one's favorite artist, and even if there were some interactions...? Like she's singing about super intense deep painful emotions. Things that make her wanna scream. Even if she was upset about the Taylor thing, it wouldn't cut her THIS deep. She is clearly singing about someone she spent a lot of time with. A lot of time loving on a personal level. She's literally singing about "undying love", and that person "taking everything she loved, and crushing it between their fingers". This is about someone who she gave everything to, and who hurt her deeply, and betrayed her trust. Nothing that we have seen indicates that Taylor and Olivia had THAT kind of relationship with each other. They have met once? Or twice? As far as we can tell.. Olivia has her own life. Most of GUTS is clearly about romantic relationships. And this one is not an exception.

​@@sarahmcdonough2307for me Vampire and The Grudge is about Taylor. But Olivia will never prevail the truth.

@@FARAHOLICS. ur weird for thinking that

​@@FARAHOLICS.exactly

Exactly it’s so cruel. Notice how Taylor brought Gracie Abrams on tour (Olivia’s old opener and close friend). Taylor is trying to intimidate her and ruin her

what punching down you talking about? can you share with us what did taylor do...or its just imagination loooool

​@@nadaAhmed-nz7yesenseless plagiarism accusations from every corner, from courtney love to taylor, diminishing her artistry as everyone wanted to take a piece for themselves, do you think any of that was easy for a 18 newcomer artist in the industry?

Or the weird cameo of Katy Perry in YNTCD….? Like that cameo didn’t even make sense!

@@MareMarMarie exactly!! the moment it became “uncool” to pit women against each other she went crazy out of her way to idk redeem herself??? and made a video with KP. she could’ve just brushed it aside like a normal person like “yeah we don’t get along w eo whatever, it happens” Also the whole incident of taking it so extra personally that her dancers went to work with Katy. She went all “she tried to sabotage me blah blah” lol

@@sycamore7855 I can’t see her ever admitting she actually did anything and apologizing. The whole “it was a misunderstanding” is a sign of a narcissist. They can never truly apologize. It’s more of a “I’m sorry if you took it that way” or “I’m sorry I misunderstood” never “I’m sorry I was wrong and basically tried to ruin your career because you dated my ex, my dancers like you more and I didn’t like what you said to me at an awards show despite you being nothing but nice to me”.

Taylor who used Olivia... didn't you see the video?

​@@rosanaconta3416and you really went with that huh???? FREAKING STOP IT!!!

yeah, olivia herself has said that she has multiple inspirations and can take situations from different events in her life and put them in one song. some of them are even based on fantasy but men are seen as inherently more creative

Lorde was also good at songwriting at that age

@@kaycee3986 and fiona apple definitely

I don't think Olivia is in Taylor's league when it comes to songwriting at all, even comparing both of them at 19. Especially because Taylor was an original in the country genre and nowadays obviously influences young pop artists and their lyrics.

​@@amanda.paccagnella lol

Same

I thought the same thing!

Me too I’m glad for both success but I’m kinda nervous listening to guts

I thought what happened with the Grammys was it was the Grammys decision to drop the nomination since the writing credit was only for an interpolation. "In removing the nominations Sunday, the Recording Academy said that its policy is not to include the writers of interpolated songs in nominations, and that it did so in the case of Rodrigo only because of a submission that incorrectly named Swift, Clark and Antonoff as full co-writers." - Variety

It was the Grammys that dropped it not Olivia

The rolling stone comments are interesting to me. I saw someone say that if Taylor let those types of comments be made without taking action, she could have less standing for copyright in the future. As a businesswoman, she would not hesitate to make that choice but I could see how it would be very hurtful to someone like Olivia.

Yes!! I second this. This alleged feud has been blown up by media. I feel only because Taylor has this established legacy for years and Olivia being a new it's easy to say Taylor's the one tilting this power balance on her side but she has built her own career with a lot of effort and Olivia is just getting started. Once she earns her place and evolves this topic will not be significant. That is if she's genuinely capable of doing that. If she starts out sampling 10 different songs ( and i know it is done in the music industry) it is gonna create this kinda battle with artists she's involving in the process. It's unfortunate that it happens to be Taylor (given that she IS at the top, that has only made it bigger).

​@@malikabrown2357that's what I was told as well from someone with the legal experience to know. I'll never be able to do their explanation justice, so I won't try. But with all the effort Taylor is going through to own her own songs - she's not going to let her copyright be undermined by staying silent. Even if it hurts someone's feelings. Olivia's team should have prepped her on what to say / avoid better. I read somewhere that she fired her team after the mess with Taylor. I've always assumed it was because they should have made sure she had better media training to help her avoid pitfalls.

Someone’s got to

You should experience more of his bravery by listening to his podcast- evolution of a snake! ❤

@@theswiftologist I liked how you addressed so many layers & players. Striking a balance at the right time is key. Here are some others that I wonder about: In 2019- Jack Antonoff (& by 4/2021 Nathan Chapman to ICM before 1st re-recording) sold all his catalog/rights to Hipgnosis - founder went shopping w/ a writer proudly pointing in a record store about music he now "owned" In 2020- All of TS music was now under UMG umbrella- label & publishing rights (formerly w/ Sony/ATV). (Any compromise on percentage?) TS & Disney/Nickelodeon linked artists- Britney Spears (shared manger who sued- she had problems finding management after dropping him), JBros (ex), Miley, Demi, Selena (friends- but not album collaborators), Harry (ex), Zendaya, Ariana. [Maybe a bit of friction/issue w/ those handling those artists- manager/agents] Sidenote: In some cases "beef" like in Hiphop/rap draws response. Networking- Joey King (close to Selena), Sabrina Carpenter (JK BFF), Gracie Abrams (JJ Abrams daughter- works frequently w/ J Garner), Beabadoobee (Dirty Hits- 1975 & now J Antonoff is signed with DH), Aaron Dessner (PB, GA, ES, other artists). Industries have overlaps/circles that draw on recommendations. Fanbase & media support/impact- There are both negative & positive attention drawn from many factions. TS still gets dismissed by many (critics/fanbases)- which I doubt OR team would want to draw- so separation to stand out actually would help. I notice that OR has been getting lots of praise for her sophomore follow-up so she is on track. TS is the midst of many projects (film/tour) so I doubt she would want to pull focus from those.

​@@user-yd1mq5yk9w your long essay is confusing to read, esp that Britney manger what??? 😭

@@Lunearien Oops, typo. Meant manager. Sorry for the confusion. Just to bring up that part of TS's catalog is owned by other music entities- not sure how the publishing rights are handled. The new owners of the rights is huge- collecting other artists rights & masters. So hard to say what happened legally. We don't see everything. It gets complex. As for her early peer group- many were with Disney or Nickelodeon- which gave them an advantage for fanbase access & resources. Unfortunately, some of her associations with them became tense (competition & severed relationships). People take sides. But sometime drama (like beef wars in rap) drives sales. TS & BS shared the same manager for a couple years - he sued TS & her parents. Their careers had a different trajectory- but then management made a difference in control & creative choices. The music industry is ruthless- but many players have a role.

I don’t think Taylor would apologize for anything ever. I don’t think it’s in her personality. Not a slight just an observation. I don’t think she sees her problematic behavior as anything problematic. And singing “I’m the problem it’s me” that’s not seeing the need to fix yourself or work on yourself. That is just the manipulation tactic where you point out problematic behavior so other people can’t. Like beating people to the punch. That’s like someone saying “I know I lie all the time”, but just saying it, and having no intention of fixing it or really seeing it as a problem. It’s a clear manipulation tactic that people often use in relationships.

Hopefully they will be able to Sort this out ❤ I love both of The singers

i feel bad for olivia

She switched management when she began taking college-level music classes I think.

tell us what move did taylor do? Jake antonoff said he did not know about the credit...it seems you made a scenario in your head and believed it

@@nadaAhmed-nz7ye babe, she could've said the same thing Hayley said. Or just, you know... maybe not accept 50% royalties for a song she had nothing to do with lol. It's not like she needs Olivia's money. But you keep believing they're the best of friends and absolutely nothing happened ❤

@@user-xk1rm5di2t that's my take too, ppl argue with me saying "oh taylor and jack did not know".. its business they're bound to know esp with deja vu getting more popular. if it was indeed true that olivia's team offered the credit they did it to avoid issues, but was it really necessary to take in the 50%??

what about livies who attack taylor daily? loooool

​@@nadaAhmed-nz7ye you have to be either very stupid or very obsessed with Taylor to the point of brainrot to not understand the difference between Taylor's humongous fandom bullying Olivia on the daily and Olivia's still tiny, newly-formed fanbase attacking Taylor

But it shouldn't be a "mistake". Olivia did nothing wrong. She was just being honest. She didn't realize that her idol was going to be jealous and petty and use it against her. Also Taylor is over a decade older than Olivia. Her behaviour toward Olivia has been disgusting.

@@JosieMarie-vg9ei I’m not defending the consequences of the mistake at all, just identifying it as a legal mistake within the music industry.

@@CaitlinAC Fair enough. But not all artists would jump on the opportunity to take advantage of Olivia and take money from her in that situation. And when people say Taylor didn't have a say in any of this... Of course Taylor had a say. Even if she didn't, we would have heard about it somehow. Taylor isn't exactly quiet when she feels she's been wronged.

@@JosieMarie-vg9ei we’re in agreement

"Stan's" nah twitter Stan's can be so fake I agree with you so much

@@bellaaaaaala they live in a permanent state of delulu 🤷🏻‍♀️

@@dancegidance I don't even think they exist irl 😭 never met a twitter stan irl 💀

​@@bellaaaaaala met a few, and they're so in denial and blinded istg

olivia said it herself that her songs are rarely about one specific event or thing, and sometimes they can even be fantasy, so even if a song is descriptive ppl need to realize that artists takes creative license all the time and it’s not like they’re literally sharing their diaries with you

Yes, and TS specifically dropping "Cruel Summer" as a single after profiting off "Deja Vu" just to add insult to injury. If I were Olivia, I would rework "Deja Vu" without the five-second, one-note yelling line interpolation from "Cruel Summer" and release it as a new single.

All which taylor has better

@@senmurw4428 Seriously? Taylor has a better singing voice than Olivia? Taylor can't even belt if her life depended on it. She's neither a balladeer nor a rock star, which is what Olivia is.