The TRUTH about the 'Fake SRAM' Wheeltop EDS

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A quick video to clear up what's been going on with the Wheeltop EDS. This is the Chinese wireless mountain bike shifting system that I showcased at the Shanghai bike show this year. It's now in near-final form and they sent me a set to check out. The same day I received mine I saw @gmbntech made a video with a bit of a click-baity FAKE SRAM thumbnail. Turns out one third-party seller on AliExpress was trying to pass the EDS system off as something it's not. When I showed Wheeltop, they blacklisted that seller and reminded all their other sellers not to try fool people.
As for the unit itself, first impressions seem solid. I've just put it on my son's MTB and will be getting him to give it a good thrashing. I'll also check it out and then make a proper video about it in the coming weeks. Just wanted to get this video out to clarify the situation.
Anyway, normal content resumes soon! But yeah, that's it for the TRUTH about the 'FAKE SRAM' Wheeltop EDS.

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@ChinaCycling Год назад

Sorry for the crappy production quality on the video. Very busy with lots of cool stuff (Which I'll share on here very soon!) About to jump on a plane and ride up the road that Ken Block SMASHED in Climbkhana 2.... PEACE!

@galenkehler Год назад

For the record: "Dobby" is the house elf from Harry Potter "Doddy" is the GMBN presenter If I ever meet Doddy in person I'm going t have to give him a sock 🤣

@Brauljo Год назад

@@galenkehler There's a correction at 5:38. Either way I like that he got his name wrong becuz Doddy was being a douche about the Wheeltop derailleur

@jesusflores9479 9 месяцев назад

Hi there What happend with the last longer Review?

@Iain110110 6 месяцев назад

Does this bolt onto derailleur hanger rather than direct mount like the sram?

@tubularmonkeymaniac Месяц назад

Was fine except for the audio

@cyclingunboxed Год назад

I love the fact that you can change the speeds on this. I was hoping shimano would have done the same when they bought 12 speed out so I could upgrade my bike by only getting a new chain and cassette but nope. I reckon they could definitely do this easy with a firmware update.

@galenkehler Год назад

I also condemn the scam by the big brands not making their parts compatible. That's why I bought into the Archer D1x, those guys specifically built it for compatibility (1-20 speeds built in!)

@LordHolley Год назад

You mean interchangeable?

@babyrabies Год назад

they can if they wanted to, but why should they if they can make more money outta you from every single iteration.

@GokkunGuru Год назад

Archer is not wireless. In fact the fake wireless gimmick makes it shift slower than pre-mod.

@galenkehler Год назад

@@GokkunGuru what's your definition of wireless then? There's no wire so...

@GokkunGuru Год назад

@@galenkehler Simple. AXS is wireless. Archer uses cables to pull the derailleur, just like conventional shifting. It’s just a gimmick. Instead of running a long cable from shifter to derailleur, Archer runs it from a motor attached awkwardly on the chainstay. Reviews have said the shifting is slower than pre-Archer upgrade, but I can’t even call it an upgrade. A lot of Archer fans will get butt hurt over my comment but it is the truth of the matter.

@brenogenestreti7871 Год назад

As always: great contents. Nice explained. Away from the fuss the others like to make just to bring attention to the big brands. Once again Joe: Massive Kudos for you!

@ChinaCycling Год назад

Thanks for supporting the channel. Glad you find it helpful.

@aneczka2114 Год назад

Can't wait to hear what you have to say about this wireless system...been very curious about if it is any good

@galenkehler Год назад

Thanks for the video. A bunch of us commented on the GMBN video to call out the lack of research done on the shifters featured. Not the first poor research done by GCN....

@martintramuntbikemallorcak481 Год назад

GCN are a bunch of MUPPETS... owned by the corporations!!!

@MBdrummer3288 Год назад

Can’t wait to hear your review on this my man. Great vid. Keep up the nice work!

@primarottabikes Год назад

Great content! Thanks again for making such good bike material and clarify what others are advertising. Thanks Joe

@marcbryant8482 Год назад

Excellent vid Joe and kudos for calling out the dodgy stuff. You've got me thinking about this product when I hadn't considered wireless mtb. The multi speed option is game changer. Very keen to see the install and ride review vid!

@ChinaCycling Год назад

Glad to help Multispeed is great. Means you're free to throw it between builds in the future.

@wasupwitdat1mofiki94 Год назад

I won't ever buy SRAM again because of how they treated the people that already owned their Red groupset. I had full eTap red and when I bought it it came with a USB stick supposedly to be used for upgrades. Never did get to use it but I'm sure I paid for it. Then SRAM introduced their 12 speed but they Ef'd up even more by making the chain, sprockets, and shifting proprietary so that it did not conform to the standards on the market. You cannot use a Shimano chain or cassette if you was in a pinch and can only use SRAM's components. People say there are 3 major brands in the market to choose from but IMO there are only two because for me SRAM will never be an option. Thank you for this video and clearing up the mis information others are spreading. I hope everyone gets a chance to find this. You are a true brother to cyclists.

@Brauljo Год назад

When changing the spacing for number of gears, can you adjust the derailleur's position for each gear like on the Archer D1x? I'd be interested in using this derailleur with a 13 speed Sugek cassette

@AutoCAD681 2 месяца назад

Still waiting for the EDS review and the new rim brake one..... is it ever coming ?

@1971lemond 4 месяца назад

When will the EDS TX road group set be available in the U.S.?

@cristianvelasquez922 Год назад

I got an EDS and I’m using with my old 10spd MTB so far it is working great.

@JacobWilson Год назад

I look forward to seeing what they do with the planned road groupset.

@michaeltaffe5956 Год назад

The product launch in the US lasted a week before selling out! Feeling lucky to have noticed they were launching and getting an order in before the sell out.

@jett2211 Год назад

Picked one of these up and I am very curious and excited. I have been trying to contact WheelTop about some other products, curious if you have had any experience with their CR12 crankset? Any idea of the weight? Love the videos.

@squareyesj7170 Год назад

Love that you have the balls to call Sram's (and Shimano + many others, imo) design decisions 'disgusting'. As an old cyclist who likes to tinker, the modern stuff, designed to not be cross compatible, not even compatible with parts of a year or two old of the same brand, I too find disgusting. Take the front derailers for instance that do not leave enough clearance for wider tires...so many examples to list. They have sucked the fun out of cycling. Support the smaller brands, if those brands have a fair business model, providing their products are good enough, of course. Let's hurt the big greedy brands, teach them a lesson. The customer holds the power. Don't give them your money, their stuff is way over priced, over hyped and do not last..

@nochancecw Год назад

Great video buddy. Super cool seeing a rear derailleur that can go between 7-13 speed. That would change the game. If that goes gravel, I'm for sure buy this

@ChinaCycling Год назад

Yeah, waiting for a drop bar version!

@tteitei Год назад

Really interested in how this system is compatible with so many older gear systems and would be ideal for all those tinkerers who want to upgrade older bikes to electronic shifting. I look forward to see how good their road levers turn out as I would seriously consider them for my next upgrade instead of shelling out thousands to Shimano or Sram.

@NewPolishScientist Год назад

I love that 11/10/9 speed feature. I could use it on my 1x road bike. Hopefully they will make UK shipping

@jeffreyreed6056 Год назад

Fantastic video! I am impressed and I would love to get a hold of this system! I want to get it on my G2!

@1mesonyx Год назад

Do you know if and when they will launch road version? I must admit i love the faature to use it from 8 to 12 speed. I've also just checked their website and aliexpress with no luck- mountain version in sold out...

@LordHolley Год назад

Well I think I need to get my hands on one of those. I use the axs X01 on 1 of my bikes and I absolutely love it. I run 9 speed on my E-MTB, I would love to have a derailer like that on it and tune it for 9spd.

@rubenvor Год назад

Thanks for sharing the unbiased true! This is the type of content everyone should be watching. Thanks a lot! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

@ChinaCycling Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@edrianvillano9018 Год назад

Cant wait for the drop bar versions of this. Im sure they will have it for rim and disc! 🤙💯

@realalbertan Год назад

I will probaly install this on my time trial bike....

@realalbertan Год назад

As far as drop bars, wheel top should just run an end plug junction box and shifter buttons and the rider adds brake levers of their choice

@dcv9460 Год назад

AWESOME REVIEW!Thank you for this 💯 very INOVATIVE product 👍

@amc1974 Год назад

Good review thanks. Great to see that backward compatibility as you said.

@machohogan Год назад

“Back in the days of eBay”, you make me feel old! I bought my first items from eBay in 2000. Pre PayPal and 95% of the listings didn’t have a photo. The ones that did were bad. I recall looking for second hand bikes in the UK and there were generally 100-200 bikes in total. Probably 10 had photos. Good times

@Carftymk Год назад

defintely agree it's immoral for big brands to sell a "new" product when all they had to do was update firmware.. by the way have you heard of any news about hydraulic levers or a full brake set for road from these chinese companies?

@WashichawbachaW Год назад

CyclingTips just recently showed LTWOO RX full hydraulic road shifters and clutched gravel RD. Hopefully, it will be release this year.

@richardggeorge Год назад

@@WashichawbachaW thanks, should mean road groupset isn't too far behind

@catherineseiferth259 Год назад

f hydro levers. I'm really really glad these Chinese brands are offering and improving mechanical sets.

@scherzo0o Год назад

I'm eager to buy this, after seeing the review of Berm Peak Express. But I cannot find anywhere on aliexpress one for sale. Any hint?

@mr_musette Год назад

Awesome, all they need now is road shifters or some sort of blips so you can fit them to drop bars.

@Grunge_Cycling Год назад

There are other Chinese companies making wireless road groupsets these years already. Road wireless groupsets are easier make.

@mr_musette Год назад

@@Grunge_Cycling know of any that are on sale?

@menoahgunzel8146 Год назад

I Really love your videos man, you're an honest person. Your video's are always a neutral as possible, you're transparant and i like that. Thank you so much for doing a honest video. This channel should get more credit

@ChinaCycling Год назад

I appreciate that! The best credit my channel gets is comments like these, and I'm good with that. Hope you have a good day Menoah.

@arnoldvales784 Год назад

@China Cycling. I visited their site and it's not available yet. However, I did see it being sold in aliexpress under sram gx keyword. Nothing shows up when I search under wheeltop eds. When it is officially for sale, I hope you would include a link and discount in your video. I too am using sram red axs but I would not mind trying this one out.

@Jinedan Год назад

Joe, no actual clutch on that derailleur - just a strong pivot spring?

@sylvainmichaud2262 Год назад

I think what were seeing here is the same phenomenon as we saw with Japanese car production. Toyota and Nissan (as Datsun*) tried to enter the North American market with cheap small cars, then went on to progressively take more and more market share and become dominant in certain segment. I think Shimano abandoned the road mechanical groupsets because they knew what was coming in this segment of the market. But if Chinese brands start to get into electronic groupsets, Shimano and Sram might be in for a rough ride in 10 years from now. As for Campagnolo, well people buying Campy won't certainly be seen going "as low" as buying Chinese.** *Nissan created the Datsun brand because they were afraid that the experience might killed Nissan's brand name reputation. ** Campagnolo is like US car brand Buick. They loose their market share each time one of their old customer dies.

@derekhobbs1102 Год назад

So Nissan created Datsun way back in 1932?

@sylvainmichaud2262 Год назад

@@derekhobbs1102 To go in the detail Nissan bought datsun in 1933 but they've use this brand for export and, as I said, avoid the risk to associate failure with Nissan. Japanese culture was an important factor in business at the time. I do not pretend to be an expert. If you want further bring further details that may even prove me wrong, you're welcome to jump in. Thanks to your superior knowledge the rest of us may all go to bed a little less stupid. 😋

@sylvainmichaud2262 Год назад

@@derekhobbs1102 Why is it that those who feel the need to be smart asses are always lazy ? Maybe it's because they only interact with people when it's beneficial to them or their image. Add the lack of empathy for others and that would make you a psychopath.

@SgtFinaldo Год назад

This, but with a hydraulic road lever and wireless shifting. Are Wheeltop working with LTWOO or Sensah in this regard? I'd preorder instantly if so.

@kokonut5 Год назад

I love the interchangeable speeds. Tho 300 is still too much for me. I'll stick with mechanical shifting for the time being at least until more companies pop up.

@BoomerangVillage Год назад

Does this derailleur have a drop bar remote? I hope it isn't just limited to flat bar bikes.

@Furniturefashion1 Год назад

I believe they are still working on this and road/gravel versions having emailed them recently. I hope they actually manage to get this into production in Europe. I for one would be on the list...

@franciscodebastos Год назад

Amazing! Just waiting for the road version to pull the trigger

@coldramen1665 Год назад

Thanks for the video! May I know what kind of bike it is behind you? Loving how it looks. The blue hybrid bike. I hope to get a reply.

@ChinaCycling Год назад

Thats the Winspace G2 with a flat bar on it. A few vids about it on my channel. :)

@coldramen1665 Год назад

@@ChinaCycling thanks for the reply. I'll definitely check it out.

@fwzikrm Год назад

would love to get a review of cross compatibility of chains/cranskets especially between a 11/12 speed setting.

@trevekneebone369 Год назад

Looks great. Would love this on my 20 year old Cannondale hardtail MTB. Battery life?

@fomorabbit6906 Год назад

As far as I know, the kit contains two batteries for replacement

@michaeltaffe5956 11 месяцев назад

Now ezbike in Canada is listing the product. And this channel showed a drop bar version at a trade show. Would be nice for you to give us an update on your long term test experience with the one you installed for this.

@BTG07 Год назад

This seems like a superior product. Looking forward to the test ride.

@G4ngsta4l1f3 Год назад

Another channel has a nice video on the test ride: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4qNV0xiHeAo.html

@perwiratempur Год назад

What about the support / after sales service of this RD? Also, any info on when they are coming up with a road shifter version?

@wasupwitdat1mofiki94 Год назад

What about support/ after sales you get with Shimano? You can buy two of these Wheeltop EDS rear derailleurs for the price of one SRAM or Shimano. I don't have a problem with that. I have a Dura-Ace Di2 9150 rear derailleur I broke after one month and it cost me almost $700 for a new RD because I got no support from a very well known web retailer.

@Grunge_Cycling Год назад

@@wasupwitdat1mofiki94 For real, Shimano doesn't give a f

@perwiratempur Год назад

Not sure on the place you live but recently I got a faulty RD9150 that I sent back to the reseller shop, then they sent it in for warranty. Took about 2 months but they sent back a spanking new unit complete with the plastic wrap etc. For me Shimano 👍🏾 Also claimed warranty for Fizik, Fulcrum and Colnago as well

@felipenavas Год назад

Here in Brazil you're screwed if you need spare parts. You take it to LBS and they say they don't have the parts. You call the distributor and they say that they only talks with LBS.

@felipenavas Год назад

You try to buy on a foreign site and then he says they can't send you because he already has an official local representative. So when something comes up on AliExpress for half price, do you think I care about the big brands?

@zedgee4514 Год назад

very very good content keep up the good work great information

@aarondangelo6313 Год назад

Thanks for the info man!

@Adam-di3kz Год назад

I recall in one of your videos you said there was a chat server where we can speak to you. Is that still going? If so where can I join? Cheers and thanks for the content.

@matthiasschulze393 Год назад

being able to select cassette size is interesting...but wasn't shifting ratio of cassettes particular to the manufacturer? for example a shimano 12 speed shift ratio is different than sram, how does the EDS system know this or can it be changed by the app?

@yermanoh Год назад

cool, i love to see good competition for the usual mob

@jjjbossjjj Год назад

Can u customise the spacing for each gear?

@jayjohnson007 Год назад

luv how you called the gmbn presenter dobby after the harry potter elf....lol

@jeffreyreed6056 Год назад

I agree, with software we should be able to use these deraileurs across all cassettes!

@andyamos8594 Год назад

Haha, Dobby, is that the aliexpress take on GMBN's Doddy? Nice unit which makes wireless start to become tempting to us mortals!!

@stevoc123 Год назад

I’m interested if I can rip the shifter apart so it can be used on a x1 TT set up.

@morrisizing Год назад

A road version with a TT shifter would be great. As wireless 11spd would be great on one if my TT bike otherwise you need to search for old Sram stuff.

@fomorabbit6906 Год назад

I am Chinese, I can help you feedback to the manufacturer

@ElevatedD Год назад

When is your test ride video coming?

@andrewmurgatroyd9214 Год назад

Hope they will make a road Groupset soon. Yes there are some iffy seller's on Aliexpress but mostly I had good experience.

@sebastianignacio1960 Год назад

what app is this? i have this groupset but i don´t found the app :C

@gregschramm8180 Год назад

Great information thanks

@DaveCM Год назад

I hope they come out with a road/gravel version too.

@razorree Год назад

How big is on a bike? how much its protruding outside bike silhouette. I saw my friend's GX AXS recently and it's terribly big (comparing to shimano, or even mechanical sram - which is quite big as well), i'd hit rocks with it few times per ride :/

11 месяцев назад

Any new review for this?

@limwiching2277 Год назад

Is this year China cycling expo has been cancel ? i waiting to see Wheeltop electronic groupset road version ..

@ChinaCycling Год назад

Yeah, cancelled until next year's show.

@otbusinessconsulting3864 Год назад

Can I use this dreaullier with a 9 speed cassette with 11-50 ratio?

@trick1420 Год назад

I just went to look this up on Aliexpress... Nothing. Not a single Wheeltop product comes up in the search. Have they been pulled from Aliexpress? Or blocked for US IP ranges?

@rascal1234 Год назад

Thanks for the great vid. I’ll pay attention to this company.

@Bill-qf7tn Месяц назад

Always straight onfo thank you

@maykelcoimbra8446 Год назад

hi congratulations good video . I have an ODS OX and I couldn't install it and it still crashed. how to restore factory settings and where to download the app 3.0 ?

@sydnelsom Год назад

i update for 2.9 version (before with 2.8) and the ODS OX dont work !

@robp3431 Год назад

If it has decent chain tension, I would consider ordering this unit. I have AXS on my gravel bike and the most annoying characteristic is the weak chain tension, compared to my mechanical(s).

@ohmingfeng9351 Год назад

you can buy aftermarket pulley cage and install it so that it has higher tension. the stock cage has 1 hole but the aftermarket ones has 2

@abirkhanrafee1889 Год назад

What are those brakes on your mtb in the video?

@WashichawbachaW Год назад

Zrace M2 quad piston brakeset lighter than Shimano XTR for $105.

@BakiYuku Год назад

Where did you get the app? Because I want to buy it but without the app it is useless...

@ismaelsuarezvarelagarcia222 Год назад

Have you found the name of the app? I bought the item but I can't find the app and I need it, thanks.

@LouisArquivio Год назад

I was wondering, do you know about any "Chinese" groupset that include hydraulic disc brakes?

@user-vw7fz3eq1b Год назад

Check out the brand 'Onirii', they selling their brake product which could be paired with sensah groupset, they are corporate partner.

@edfungus Год назад

There was a new Ltwoo rx mechanical hydraulic road groupset at eurobike this year shown by cyclingtips briefly

@francisleesc Год назад

Thank you for the introduction video!😀👍👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏

@mychannelforfun5523 Год назад

Where can I buy one? I can't find it on AliExpress.

@onederment Год назад

Hey Joe, I have been waiting very patiently for you to produce the next video on this... whats the issue?

@ChinaCycling Год назад

Hey David. Just not enough hours in the day to ride all my bikes. Currently riding MTB once every 2 weeks or so. Want to get more miles on it before I say it's good or crap. So far so good though.

@onederment Год назад

@@ChinaCycling i took a look at Wheeltop EDS... i don't see it on selling anywhere? Is there a problem with the patents? I have a Shimano derailleur and an Xshifter but if i can replace it with the EDS, it becomes a very attractive proposition. The button interface though on the Xshifter is better.

@philhunt1442 Год назад

Hello, is it still possible to purchase these overseas?

@johnnyboy4711 4 месяца назад

love to have one for 1x CX/Gravel bike,also for TT bike if they could do BT blips for 1x setup.

@janeblogs324 Год назад

I absolutely hate that shimano/sram 9,10,11,12 speed road and MTB all use specific shifter/derailleur combos. That's 8+ different derailleurs that only work with a specific shifter. The parallagrams wear out in 2 years and become sloppy, unserviceable. Keep us up to date

@wilsonongweedun5697 Год назад

Great video,thank you for the authentic feedback 👍

@Sierramike524 Год назад

I hope there's a custom function where each cog can have the movement individually trimmed like the Archer Components D1x shifters, for less than perfect derailleur hanger alignment and all.

@manueldeubler1127 Год назад

#1 reason for electronic shifting. Being able to tell the derailleur how often and by which distance to move is what electronic shifting should all be about. Actually, 11 speed, 12 speed electronic shifter incompatability is a huge rip-off.

@fomorabbit6906 Год назад

There is this feature, I talked to the manufacturer

@fomorabbit6906 Год назад

And interoperable with the upcoming road bike shifting system

@fomorabbit6906 Год назад

I'm looking forward to using it on my gravel bike

@TC-hl1ws Год назад

@@manueldeubler1127 Exactly! This feature will extend the life of a derailleur 3x or more. With my Archer D1x shifter no matter how mangled my derailleur gets I can easily make adjustments in the app to make the derailleur shift like new.

@ADVRaiderKTM Месяц назад

Any updates on this groupset?

@DEV-rw7eu Год назад

Is the link to the app still available?

@darrengarvie8832 Год назад

Good man now when will there be a road version I would definitely be interested 😁 or even just shift buttons would be great 😁

@fomorabbit6906 Год назад

It will probably take a few more months

@BlackWaterCyclist Год назад

I've been using the Archer D1x with drop bar buttons since November on a 1x14 set up but this one looks like it could be better.

@feedbackzaloop Год назад

Much anticipated though uneventful - pretty much like everything nearby Xiamen recently

@megalomaniacdreamer Год назад

where can you buy these? can't find any.

@ETOE Год назад

Seems they removed the EDS shifters from the market. It`s no longer available on their website.

@luigibirillo6629 Год назад

The compatibility is great

@ScalfC1 Год назад

I bought one of these and it quit working. I reached out to the company and they have not replied as of yet and it’s been a month. How can I get this warrantied?

@ChinaCycling Год назад

Where did you buy it? Like when you buy something i the west, you usually have to contact the seller, not the manufacturer.

@DatingElevated 11 месяцев назад

@@ChinaCycling I'm curious to know where he bought it from. I bought mine from Aliexpress but it hasn't come in yet. @Craig where did you get yours?

@goonzjav Год назад

Has there been a follow up to this yet?

@ismaelsuarezvarelagarcia222 Год назад

what is the name of the APP? Thank you

@drampadreg1386 Год назад

Another thing happening in China is since large companies get things manufactured there, they make 50-100% more than the order and sell them out the back door later for half the price, yet it's the same thing. But the counterfeit stuff there is pretty broad, and yet they have some real gems. But for Chinese, I love Yoleo but they are not selling on Ali, and no one is trying to copy them because there would be hell to pay. Some of the counterfeit stuff like the Pinerallo's they sell for a couple grand, those are actually very very nice bikes and much cheaper, but still about 3,000 Canadian. But still riding my 1986 Miyata 310, that would be nice for my now 8 speed freewheel that started out as a 6 speed 105 Grupo when it was made.

@321bytor Год назад

What on earth was that on the gravel bike tyre?

@TheCyclesport Год назад

VERY INTERESTING!!!

@arcaixsaberhand Год назад

I wish they release a 2x, 3x, and road version

@estelja Год назад

Rather than the app offering different "speeds" I'd like to see a company just allow you to specify the millimeter movement between shifts down to the hundreth. It would make it universally compatible with all cassettes.

@janeblogs324 Год назад

They already let you do that, just not for 7 speed