Henry Cavill said it best: “I get what you’re saying, but it is a fan’s right to have whatever opinion they want. I don’t consider that toxic, I just consider that passionate”
Henry Cavill is a star of the people, he is literally a nerd for Warhammer 40,000.....and as a fellow fan of Warhammer 40,000 that makes me proud, plus his commitment towards fans of the franchises he plays in
My personal favorite is the "A real fan enjoys everything to come out of this franchise" like we're supposed to mindlessly praise everything and not criticize it in hopes of returning it to what we all fell in love with in the first place.
Yeah I watched a video about the Resident Evil 4 remake. All I asked was if it was necessary and what about Code Veronica. This Jesse Collins guy who's description read he loves making Leftists mad. He got mad at me and said how it was stupid to ask and that CD was a garbage game. Then said to another guy that the fan remake looks great. 🙄 But I know he's just a SMALL minority of the fans. I'm on the fence on gate-keeping. But I think people should ignore the attention seekers.
@@zionleach3001 To add insult to injury, I had a similar criticism to when Disney and Square Enix revealed Kingdom Hearts 4 a month ago. I literally just asked why they were making such a sudden jump to KH4 all of a sudden after KH3 and the fact that KH3 was quite a disappointment seen among fans and critics (DLC aside). Then I ended up getting hate and flack for my question with annoying shitheads saying “Oh your not a true KH fan!” Or “Your just a KH3 hater and probably a 2FM fanboy!!!” And I get it, people have different perspectives but having people fret and bully you over what you like or even criticisms is just plain wrong. Besides, its only the SMALL minority. People love KH3, I hate it, I love Chain of Memories, nobody else likes it and vice versa.
You have to remember these are people so invested in celebrities they don't even care about the quality of the content they're in. And if they discover their idol thinks differently than they do about a particular subject they suffer a mental breakdown because apparently it's not possible to disagree with somebody on a single point without them being literally Hitler.
@@cloudshines812 Same with Resident Evil. Nemesis remake had HALF the game cut. Resident Evil had to me a fun combat system and cool enemies. But was more action than horror. Although CD is where Resident Evil was going off the rails.
Imagine you’ve been a loyal patron to your favourite restaurant for decades. The food was always delicious and on point and the service was impeccable. You tell your friends about it and bring in much business for them throughout the years. Then out of nowhere they change their menu to a totally different cuisine, hire chefs that can’t cook, and hire lazy servers with bad attitudes and after voicing your dissatisfaction with the changes, the restaurant tells You that YOU are a bad customer for not continuing to patronize the business and embrace the changes and you’re toxic for yearning for the better food and better service of the past
@pyropulse because of nostalgia and the vein hope that it will go back to what it was or the glimmer of a chance that it will improve even slightly. Completely forgetting that the new management detest your food favorites and the owners have many other businesses and may be cynically using this one as a tax write off. Then you hear that the head chef that reopened the restaurant is coming back even though they have had made controversial statements about the entire restaurant industry. Analogy for dr who.
It’s a perfect formula: Step one: Hire an ultra diverse cast Step two: Write a lazy story with lazy characters Step three: Convince people they’re bigoted if they don’t enjoy your product It reminds me of how a lot of modern art avoids criticism by people claiming that critics just don’t understand it. Emperor’s new clothes logic kicks in and now it’s worth millions.
That is true and does happen, however there are cases where a POC will exist in a movie/TV series and then a lot of fans will decide based on that alone, its ultimately woke and should be boycotted/review bombed.
@@M_W_L_F True, but nothing is bad *because* it has a diverse cast, it’s just a lot of stuff with terrible writing and directing also has diverse casts, and people who think something is bad because it has a diverse cast only help people the narrative that opposing to bad writing comes from bigotry.
@@M_W_L_F I can't think of a single example of someone being hated for a role solely based on them being a minority. People don't like actors for their attitude, their opinions, their style or simply because they think they're not a good choice for the role. That last point can include ethnicity without it meaning anything racist. I don't think any of us would look positively at a Black Napoleon, regardless of how good the actor.
"Diverse cast" is a scam: including only humans infringes the rights of the cockroaches. Where are the cockroaches? And the machines? Why a vacuum cleaner is not a superhero? And the toaster? Where's the coffee grinder? They also deserve to beat up Thanos. Say what?! "Not human?!" Now let's see and label what kind of "ism" that is... They are tenfold more human than the husks of nazi garbage that are being pushed forward by those de-evolution cultists.
Disney: _"Don't you dare act racist, customers!"_ ALSO Disney: shrinks Finn down to 1/8th size on the _TheForceAwakens'_ Chinese poster to appease CCP racism
Plus that it was very clear they were gonna make Finn and Poe homosexual, but randomly decided not to. I [China] sure [China] wonder [China] why [China].
Don't be racist, unless it costs you money in China. It's weird that they will do that for China but not for Western customers. They'll lose billions in the West, but bendover backwards to get money from China.
Disney: "We're excited to see where Reva's story goes." Star Wars Fans: "Who gives a fuck about Reva's story. What about KENOBI'S story?!? You know, in the show called KENOBI!?!" Disney: "Stop being racist. We resist."
disney saying "we resist" as if they fight for freedom while fans are in the right fighting for actual justice and truth is true villain move - claim they are the good guys while being the worst guys
@@ryszakowy This sounds like something that happened in the real world for the last two and a half years and a certain set of Leaders that may have lied to people to get their agendas attended to.
How dare you like intricate art? You shall enjoy this bland product as we've done research that shows this formula is entertaining to the most vast majority of humans. Therefore any criticism must be from a base of people for whom the product was not intended. ERROR: Hate from fan base. ANALYSIS: Fanbase is toxic. Ignore fanbase as their opinions on [thing they love] is irrelevant. Our desire for [human money] outweighs their need for [thing that they love]. Been a dork for nerdy things for over 30 years. Everything I was nostalgic about is getting raped and I'm an asshole for wanting to remember things for the way they were. Imagine loving your grandma, and wanting to remember her for the way she was when you were young, full of energy, happy, funny and sweet. But then, 30 years after she passed, a company comes back and tries to charge you money to hang out with your grandma... she's back, but now she's an angry black lesbian! It kinda looks like her... but wtf have they done to you, grandma?
I think you just hit the nail on the head - except that this isn't a "new" spin at all. This is an ever-growing trend, and I'm not sure what it was about. I walk into a local grocery store that has "the customer is always right" plastered onto a big rock at the entrance, and while businesses have rarely followed that to the letter that notion was long the bedrock concept in American business-to-consumer interactions. Not anymore. I work for a small family business that still engages in this philosophy, and even as we at times bend over to meet excessive customer desires those we buy from often try to gaslight our legit issues with them when such issues pop up. They always try to make it something on our end - something everyone in the company experiences as individual customers too. We swap stories, as our own interactions as customer service reps for our own company has raised our radars for how it goes with others, and anecdotally we seem to note more and more examples of this happening.
This is why people don't like "SJW's" and "woke" people in general. They're politically motivated with nice-sounding causes on the surface, but underneath they're just a thug in some kind of mob who is going to go after you if you call them out on their shit.
Like Henry Cavill once said: "when it comes to fans, it is a fan's right to have whatever opinion they want to have, and people are going to be upset... I don't necessarily consider that toxic. I just consider that passion."
I had this happen to me recently. New owners took over my favorite Thai restaurant. I got chicken that was pretty obviously heated by a microwave. Basically, it has the texture of tofu. I wrote a bad review, and the new owner tracked me down over other social media and attacked me. It was crazy.
Don't forget how the new/casual fans happily eat the shit sandwich just because it has the franchise name/logo on it and says you aren't a real fan if you don't enjoy it then call you toxic. Those people are, and I'm not exaggerating this even tho people over use this saying, mindless sheep who will happily take whatever the company gives them just because it happens to be from a franchise they like and believe you gotta like everything they give you. Companies love these people because they don't need to try to make good content anymore since they'll enjoy whatever and hell as a bonus they'll harass any fans who have more than two brain cells and realize what's going on.
“Toxic fandom” used to apply to the fandom members attacking each other or having really shitty behavior in-group. Now the term has been co-opted to be used by corporations AGAINST the fans.
Hello I'm one of the people that people decided decides things and I've decided that we should take these people and put them in a room so that they'll learn their lesson by being surrounded by equally unstable and possibly hostile persons.
Most these “toxic” fandoms are just the result of the toxic people being the loudest, which leads to the whole fandom being labeled as toxic, which genuinely sucks because it makes the whole franchise look worse off because of it.
@@projectphantom3135 It’s the same thing with the Woke Twitter crowd. This nonsense has been grabbed by corporations because a few loud people (I think it’s only 10% of the population that actually aggressively, loudly, pushes for The Message) started all this on Twitter. Having been in those circles of people, let me tell you THOSE spaces that claim to promote these values are some of the most unbelievably toxic spaces I have ever been in and why I left. The toxicity they commit against their own group members is astonishing. They can only function when they have an external enemy which unites them. In that context, this all makes sense.
I wish Disney would take this approach. Outside of the few deranged outliers who attack actors on social media, 99% of people have passionate opinions about an IP they care about. Most brands would kill for fans that care, and Disney wants to piss it all away in favor of fair weather "ooooo colorful lights and character I recognize" fans. It's short term gains for long term loss. SW had cultural staying power because of the quality in storytelling and entertainment value, and that's all been lost for shoddy writing and surface-level references.
Fan: "I don't like it" Studio: "Why not?" Fan: "Well, the characters are bland, the stories are not engaging, and I feel people just forced in drama." Studio: "It must be because you hate black people/women."
@@martinsriber7760 Who called her an N-word? All the posts I have seen just criticize her character and the writing of the show. Are those people racist them? Is it only racism if they use the N-word? Besides, are those really fans or just some twitter twats that love drama and feed off people's misery? Say, ever notice that the worst people to exist are all on twitter? Maybe they need to stay away from Twitter. Oh and if a black person says "all white people should die" is that considered racism too or are we gonna keep pretending that only white on black bigotry is racism while Anti-Japanese leftist on Twitter are just "social commenting on cultural ethics?" Nigeru means "Run Away" in Japanese which sure does seem to offend alot of white people especially leftist. Are YOU gonna call people who give constructive criticism racist too even if theh never use a derogatory term? Is calling a white person a cracker also racist? Then again, this coming from actress who works for a company that has no issues with concentration camps.
@@flexoffender7124 then they missed a great opportunity to change the mind of this person by creating a good story with an authentic charakter that would normaly be stigmatised.
@@Unapologeticweeb same, I just stopped watching. I honestly think it's pretty cringe that they still make videos about them and try to cling to the franchise. It's dead guys. Time to move on.
Well said, my fellow judas priest fan. JP never called out their fans "toxic" when they released bad albums like Turbo(i kinda like it). "we tried something new that went with the mainstream popularity and our fans absolutely didnt liked it, we wont do that anymore".
You people gotta learn that writers and directors are the ones telling actors what to do. It blows my mind I have to point this out, but here we are. The dumbest society in history.
@@radio.graffiti weird take, character just sucks and it’s a waste of a good actress. Would be the same if it was some old white dude. Shit’s just corny as hell
@@radio.graffiti Dude, this BS rhetoric has been dismantled time and time again. Give us good media, we'll watch it. Give us crap, however, and we will s*** all over it.
Being in a transformers fandom for many years has taught me that: - some people are never satisfied with anything - some people are always satisfied and will defend any garbage no matter what -the brand is not your friend, it's there to take your money -within the brand and the fandom there are wonderful, creative people that make you continue to love the thing you share
This. The true beauty of Star Wars was never just in the films- it was in the people, the fans, who built this glorious universe together, building upon each other's strengths and covering each other's weaknesses. The level of creativity in this fandom was like nothing else I've seen before... Fast forward to Disney's purchase of Star Wars. Suddenly, the fans are the "worst" part of the franchise, when it was also it's greatest strength as well.
@@ChevyChase301 Yeah because a few people allows you to say everyone who dislikes the garbage show is bad. Racists would call her that anyway its what they do that is the definition of racism. Its such an intellectually dishonest argument a racist being racist is and unexpected reaction? Their opinion is irrelevant because its biased on race. Everybody else's opinion on the other hand is totally valid.
"We are no racists." Said a franchise owned by disney, a franchise that conviently cut out Finn out of mostly all promotional material in countries where racism against black people is still a common trend (china for example).... as much as i enjoy living in the west and all its benefits but jesus we are full of hypocrits
You nailed it! To make it even more pitiful, Boyega was complaining about racism here. He should take his complaints to China Communist Party instead. Progressives and wokers should move to China or North Korea to experience *social justice and equality* they want so much here...
Have you ever maybe thought, that the fans themselves could be cancerous themselves sometimes? I have no problem with calling out, say an episode of a show if I’m a fan of it and I’m passionate about the series, but I’m pretty sure “toxic” is meant for the fans who try to cancel a creator of a show because they messed up an episode of SpongeBob (Mr. Enter style), or if the fans are a bunch of zoophiles and disgusting (MLP). The most obvious examples of course but you get my point.
Calling someone toxic or a hater is a common thing when it comes to criticize shitty stuff. It means that people behing those trash have nothing in their defense, basically Raging Karen Mode. Spitting on people like that is a waste of fluid.
Well the actor shouldn't be bullied and put down reguardless of someone elses creative decisions they are literally following the direction of the director
"We resist." Like that means anything from a company that panders to Beijing, cares nothing for the artistic and internal integrity of their IPs, abuses and exploits its young talent, cuts ties with a DV victim out of cowadice, and only uses the "Resistance" label to deny Lucas further royalties and keep the justification for rebellion era merchandise. If they cared, they would have advanced the story instead of essentially undoing everything in the OT and rendering it retroactively pointless and stupid.
You make a simple point about a worrying trend in western society. That customers must accept a product and are not allowed to criticise it. The multi-billion dollar corporation is allowed to tell people what to think and feel. The customer is no longer right and certainly not King.
Yeah a passionate fandom would give their criticisms in a non violent way and would express ways to be better a toxic fandom just calls everything dogshit mid and it’s falling off or it’s over like what wouldn’t u want to say things so they can come back and succeed
There's also a fine like between the two, passionate fans can be toxic too, perfect example is the band The Misfits. I think they have one of the worst fan bases in music, go watch any Misfits video and look at the comments it's mostly people arguing over who the better singer was. Even though I personally love the bands music it's got to the point where I don't ever wanna interact with other fans whether it's online or in real life because I know exactly where the conversation will go.
As I expressed in another post, I think toxic fans are those who try and use their fandom to justify acting in genuinely cruel, vicious ways that go far beyond mere criticism. I think a good example of this, of true toxic fandom, is how certain 'Star Wars' fans treated Ahmed Best (The actor who played Jarjar Binks) after 'The Phantom Menace' premiered. Some fans' treatment of him in that period made the current criticism of Ms. Ingram look like fawning adoration in comparison. He was absolutely deluged with hate mail, some of which called him pretty much every racist slur term for black people that have ever been coined (Some of these even came from fellow blacks; Best said that those hurt him the most), and many even contained death threats. Just for him being an actor who played a character in a movie! It got so bad that Best contemplated suicide for a brief period. I mean, yeah, a lot of people hated Jarjar, but for them to treat the actor who played him (Not even wrote/ created him, just played the part) in such a way was going too far.
Imagine calling a black singer a n****r for singing badly. If the word »toxic« triggers you so much, don't be racist. And if you choose to be racist, be more thick-skinned and not a whiny little snowflake.
Imagine singing alright in front of a crowd, some people liked it and other didn't, but then quite a few people in the crowd start yelling racial slurs at you. It would be so crazy to call those people toxic right?
@@milkboy9339 Yes Milkboy it would. Calling the few people yelling racist slurs toxic would be fine, but accusing the *entire* crowd of being toxic based on the actions of just a few idiots is absolutely going a step too far.
@@PunksloveTrumpys Then you agree with me! *Disney isn't calling the entire crowd racist.* All they said was if you are being racist, please stop. That's not referring to everyone criticizing the show, just those who are throwing racial slurs at Moses Ingram.
@@milkboy9339 Please back your arguing with facts. Can you quote Disney discriminating between interesting criticisms and non interesting (like, racist or whatever) criticisms of it's own works ? . I'm talking about ACTUAL criticism here, like telling (even in a polite way) about things which could at least be improved in the actual works.
No, a toxic fan is someone who hates everything the franchise puts out but still buys and watches all of it so that it never gets better, and then complains that it's bad so that no one who actually enjoys the new stuff can have any fun.
"Many people react toxically to bad storytelling" seems to cover all the bases for me. Is it not obvious half of all people are idiots (see 2016 election and pandemic)? "Most people are jerks already, and it's not like giving a jerk a gun and telling him it's okay to kill people suddenly turns that jerk into a hero. -BoJack
It is toxic if you are thin skinned, talentless and have made no effort to learn and understand the lore of the universe you are producing the show for. They are spoiled little children who have just been caught underperforming and are blaming every one they can think of rather than take responsibility for their own actions. Atrocious behaviour and they need to be called out on it. Often. Loudly.
I appreciated Henry Cavill when asked about "Toxic fandom" he completely went the opposite direction and said that they were passionate fans and supported them
Cavill gets it. Passionate fans will support and promote your product/work, but they will also turn on you if you give them garbage. Recently George R.R. Martin complained about fans going from loving something to hating it. It’s exactly what happens when you have something as huge as GoT turn to shit.
@@Willie_Pete_Was_Here Hate is often warranted. Online harassment isn’t, but that should be separated from just fans being passionate about the media they consume and support.
- Getting away with bad writing might be difficult. - Actually it's super easy, barely an inconvinience. - Oh really? - Yeah, we just label them as toxic so they are the bad people for not liking our stuff. - Oh dehumanizing valid critics is TIGHT!
I feel like what a lot of these “creative” media groups don’t understand is that they’d likely have a lot less criticism if they made good shows/movies about the characters they clearly want to parade around. Reva, for example, could’ve gotten her own show without the Obi Wan branding and with decent writing, no matter how mediocre it was, it wouldn’t be so heavily criticized.
I know this is going to sound extreme, and I’m most likely just pissing in the wind here, but probably the best way to deal with these companies is scorched earth. Don’t watch anything they put out. Don’t buy anything they produce. Have absolutely nothing to do with them. Let the people they’re pandering to carry them for a while, and let the companies see how far that gets them. (Spoiler alert: not very.) Just my 2¢
I agree with this strategy in theory. I think Disney is too big to fail sadly. they will continue to do what they want, when they want and how they want and, also sadly, continue to hoard dollar bills like the dragon Smaug hoards treasure.
@@dispatch-indirect9206 Surely your approach of "supporting creators you love" is more effective if you also don't feed the monster your money. A total boycott is part of that strategy. It's not like you giving Disney your money as a conservative is going to make them be any less insufferably woke or terrible at writing. Just don't do it. Don't justify paying someone to abuse something you once loved.
I've been saying this from the beginning: Disney owning Stars Wars makes NO SENSE. It makes about as much sense to me as Nickelodeon producing psychological horror. It stumps me that anyone ever thought that buying Star Wars had even the slightest chance of going remotely well. They'll own Judge Dredd and Halloween next, i swear
Disney and Lucasfilm have been hand in hand since the 80s though. You've been able to find Star Wars stuff at Disney World for decades, for example. The buyout was obvious, Disney practically already owned Lucasarts and Light and Magic.
@@Acolyte47 Smart move from George. He already told the story he wanted to tell, got $4 billion and the prequels now look like absolute masterpieces in comparison to what disney is shittin out.
The same thing can be said for MARVEL which... after being owned by DISNEY... keeps losing the very elements which made it exciting & interesting to the REAL FANS just to please the wrong crowd 🙄🤦♂️😒 !
I would like to think the show is more about Obi Wan and less about Reva which is a subplot. Or at least that is what I keep telling myself. Obi is getting more screen time in general and I like the young Leia actress who is great. Oh, and Obi, snap out of it, and be a great Jedi again. It is in you!
@@froschkenig you’re forgetting that by the time ANH happens that Obi-Wan can barely swing a lightsaber. Vader even taunts him that his powers are weak right before he kills him. This show is literally showing you how Obi-Wan goes from being able to soar through the air slicing people left and right to being old Ben Kenobi.
Also I love how everyone is pissed because Obi-Wan is a grumpy asshole. Dude lost everything he loved and fought for and has been living in a cave for 10 years in the middle of a desert and you’re pissed because he’s not a happy dude? 🤣
Every single time I've tried to make this argument I've felt like just a spark attempting to illuminate a massive darkness. Wish I could give this one a 1000 likes, Drinker; ya nailed it.
yeah I've made this argument myself in regards to Netflix's "adaptation" of The Witcher, to the point I had a few people call me a troll, and another comparing me to "a blind man who walks into a ditch, even though he knows its there" But in truth, I'm just calling out the writers for their outright laziness, and sacrificing the series on the "altar of diversity/representation" hell at one point I even said the show was made to satisfy the SJW idiots who complained about a "lack of diversity" in the games
You are not alone the studios are busting their ass to try to cover up dropping ticket sales & numbers of customers dropping their shiite show services look at netflix.
Or you know you can still just enjoy something for while it lasted. Love the original trilogy or something like that and realize that can be the end of it. Set expectations low but be willing to be surprised.
They should have explained more of her backstory to help the audience understand. Instead we are halfway through the season with no explanation of why she is so evil. She is also taking to much screen time from the main character.
Yeah, I can hate Reva but still love Moses Ingram. Those are completely different things. The former is a bad story, the latter is an actress contracted to tell a bad story.
There's nothing wrong with her writing or acting... You're just upset that she is a powerful black woman in the show and you feel that is forced "wokeness". That's honestly what this boils down to.
@@kodyshaw6991 are you seriously going to say that you don't feel this actress has been artificially inserted because of "wokeness"? That's what upsets you.
THIS. Everyone in Hollowood needs to see this video. Whilst I'm not into fandom culture, it should be obvious that the actual assholes who harass actors don't represent a majority of a fan base, and are just people who need to seek professional help and that they should be seperated from people with legit criticism or the entire group. Someone saying that a character was awfully written or their acting was stiff DOES NOT automatically mean that that person is a racist, sexist, homophobe or whatever. If anything all these actions that these SJW higher-ups do will not only just make them lose more fans, but probably also create more racism, sexism, homophobia etc just to spite them.
Anyone who chooses to be a racist and homophobe to “spite” a multi billion dollar corporation that will never know they exist is Avery specific kind of idiot. If you want to be a racist and calling Moses Ingram a monkey, just do it. Don’t wait for Lucas film to give you permission.
Step 1: Find established, well beloved franchise with a built in audience Step 2: Take advantage of the good will of the fans to gain a foothold Step 3: Hijack the franchise and subvert it for your own ideological ends Step 4: Goad the fans into attacking you, then call them toxic for daring to say no Step 5: Go broke Step 6: Repeat
This is what the business raiders did in the 80s. The bought up companies with junk bonds. Broke them up into pieces and then sold off the parts while firing employees. Nothing was left but a carcass and fat lions.
i think the "ideological ends" is probably a stretch. If you make a big franchise show that doesn't have a diverse cast is going to be crucified no matter the subject material.
I miss when minorities were just individuals, rather than antagonistic representatives. Geordi was just a likeable, highly competent, Star Fleet officer, with a cool visor that turned his blindness into a superpower. Not a weapon to beat 'bigots' with.
And it was never a plot point that he was black any more than Picard was bald. As a kid growing up watching TNG, it never occurred to me to note that Geordi was black - he was chief engineer. He was Data's friend. He wasn't Data's black friend. And this matters because if racism is still a problem when humanity is part of a galactic multispecies civilization, even in a fictional setting, then all the hope Star Trek brought, all the ideals of civility, rationalism, compassion, communication, understanding, and leaving violence as an absolute last resort, it's all for nothing. It means we learned nothing. What ever happened to Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra?
but if you don't see and notice the characteristics of the minority he belongs to then that's your unconscious bias showing, how can you not notice he was black and deny his history, you evil closet racist! And just being chief engineer and not Fleet Admiral or Boss Of The Whole Federation just highlights the "subservient POC" theme yet again, so his position isn't a sign of inclusivity it's slavery all over again!
Maybe if they respected our fandoms, that wouldn't be the case. Instead they use BS terms like toxic to hide behind the fact that they crap all over the source material and produce subpar media.
@@sebastiansuazo2734 A tiny proportion of fans doing anything means practically nothing, any group that is large enough will have vile people within said group, of course if you've created something that's widely criticised you can just point to the mean tweets and brand everyone who'se critical as part of the toxic fandom.
@@MoffatLee nono, the author pointing at this calling us toxic is not acceptable, but dude, lets not pretends we don't do anything despicable and im sorry but it never is a tiny proportion qhen it c9mes to harassment, the amount of death threats send to jar jars voice actor were not a tiny proportion, and neither were the amount that made the actress of rose and her character getting low key deleted from the last movie or what made George sell the franchise to Disney or made hayden dissappear from the acting world (that and that he was just flat out a bad actor but thats not the point), toxicity is what rules over a fandom, the real tiny proportion is the people who are not sexist racist brean dead manchildren,ive seen that for years, boku no hero, rezero, shingeki no kyojin, star wars, halo, from software surprisingly and so on, is like the statistic of a city with tge highest crime rate in the whole world, does that mean every single human being in that city is a criminal?? No, orher wise tge city wouldn't even work, but you like it or not crime is the most prevalent aspect of the city, the same goes for a fandom, this video is so dumb, it feels like duncan is using the comments from his own channel and from EFAP to pretend the whole fandom acts like this, WE DONT, because ive seen myself acting like that against other many time when i was younger and more stupid and impulsive. Insulting people ik a personal way when you don't know how to respond to an argument is toxic, as much as it is harassing author, actors or specialist involved in the series/movie/manga/ comic/etc and is seeing or hearing people that are noticeably older that defending this behavior just shows me mankind was Goin shout way before my generation was even born.
@Neo's danger there are exceptions of course, the latest i can think of is regarding the halo show, where some loser on halo plasmaposting posted how he harassed Pablo Schreiber on Twitter so much he got blocked and we bullied him so much that he shared the post on halo MCC main group..... Completely forgetting we are almost the same amount of people in both groups, it was glorious, thank god it didn't scaled more than necessary (harassing outside, personal insults, etc) does that mean im gonna excuse the cesspool of a fandom that is halo fandom?? Hell no
"Toxic Fandom" only happens when a company does a bait and switch. They know what the fans want and they advertise whatever they're making as if it caters to what fans want. Then they give them something that has nothing to do with what they advertised instead. If whatever they're doing just sucks, it just gets ignored because nobody cares about it. If Disney made a bad space movie with a no name star that nobody has heard off, nobody would care. It would still flop, but nobody would be commenting on it. When they promise you a movie about Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker or some other established character that people actually want to see and then give you a character nobody cares about instead, that's when fans get mad. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want the increased viewership you get from a popular franchise then you have to actually give the fans something from that franchise. Fans don't care about diversity. They want a good show. It doesn't matter what color the actor is. It doesn't matter what sex the actor is. What does matter is whether the story is good. If diversity IS the story, then it's pretty much guaranteed NOT to be good.
I'm actually scared out of my ever loving wits of what they're about to do to Buck Rogers and flash gordon. I hope this is an irrational fear. The nearly comic accurate flash Gordon 1930s radio serial got me into science fiction, period end of report.
@@Mannwhich the expected part I haven't quite mastered yet the not watching their crap part I've been able to do for quite a while. This buzz lightyear thing hurts because it effectively ended the space ranger craze that's been going on since that nearly comic accurate radio series of flash Gordon on the radio it also seems to have made a gaping hole at least in family and children's science fiction old and new viewership.
more like any kind of criticism toward the left and their media is considered "hate speech" and "uneducated/toxic opinion" now. we all HAVE to bow down to their visions and directions. a demand for a well-crafted content and be called out for it is the leeeeeaaaast of the bs we have to put up with.
If you have legitimate criticisms of her character, _that's fine._ Star wars isn't talking to you. They were talking to the people calling her a "darkie" and a "diversity hire" and just complaining that an inquisitor was black. *That is not legitimate criticism.*
How to avoid criticism when you make bad shows/writing: - Get a diverse actor/actress as cheap shield - Labeling the “toxic fans” racist, sexist, etc. when they’re bringing up valid criticism - Profit - Move on, and continue ruining other legacy/fan favorite characters It’s official, Star Wars is dead. Attacking the fans only seal it’s grave. I’m just coping with the Fallen Order sequel and animated shows including Visions. I have high hopes for Tolkien fans to stand their ground
I was blocked from many Tolkien content channels here on youtube, but I stand firm: You can only be a fan of Tolkien if you only read/look or appreciate HIS art. That includes everything while Christopher and Priscilla were still alive. NOTHING ELSE. In this I reluctantly include the first LotR trilogy, for at least it was done in love and they are objectively good movies, even if not faithful. #boycottamazon 💪🏻
The bad thing is people pretending that their fandom isn't toxic. There are people who legit believe the SW fandom isnt. Completely ignoring the shit the fandom has done over the years.
The only toxic fandom I know is the Steven universe one. They literally told someone to kill themselves for drawing a character skinny. So much for listening and understanding to others like the show tells you to do.
Wew, the bots are out in full force today aren't they? But, Steven Universe is hardly the only toxic fandom, just the most egregious, every Tumblr fandom is incredibly toxic.
Where "wokeness" is being blind to the rainbow of existing/previous characters in the franchise and carping on about how their new cast is "a first" for things which were done decades before, in the self-same franchise
I've always found the phrase "toxic fandom" to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. If you went back in time 100 years and tried to explain this to business moguls, you'd have to break it down to "it's a label used for expressing unbridled contempt for your own customers"
Not..100years ago people had more sense then to act like entitled little shits and obnoxious bithxy babies about fiction Stories that didn't play out the way they wanted to or included characters they didn't like ,.alah these endless bitchy RU-vid videos trying to clickbait their way into profitability by complaining about some conflict between billing dollar corp and a small idiotic minority of witless jack asses with more time then sense. 100 year ago your talking novels ike Great Gatsby,..All Quiet on the Western Front,.The Age of Innocence,.The Sound and the Fury and Uylsses by James Joyce,. No-one of which you've read or probate heard of because your inane ass would rather over invest it a 1970's low budget midnight movie inspired by Buck Rogers and the Arthorian Legends where a bunch of shaggy haired 70s kids join forces with magical space monks to fight fascist space nazi's ,.which for some odd reason got elevated to "high Art"!
It's definitely not for Disney to talk about human rights and racism when they are ready to violate all these principles for the sake of the Chinese market🙄🤦♀️
Yep and it's like they forget with internet and social media, informations spread like wildfire so they can't hide that from people in western countries.
Disney: "there's no way they'll figure this out, people are stupid. People: ... we figured it out, it was fking obvious, it's been done a million times already."
There’s: “We pressure other members of our fandom into suicide if they don’t agree with the general idea.” And: “You didn’t even try to write anything good, you’re just pandering to mask the lack of an artistic direction.” Type of toxic fandoms.
In other news there's a anime reboot coming that probably won't such as recent western entertainment. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0glg9ex1jC0.html
One thing we should do is resist the temptation to "give it a chance" even ironically. Every click generates funds. If the marketing indicates that the show will be woke we need to starve it out and boycott.
Morbius is a prime example of this - the movie bombed so hard in theaters that it got memed to hell and back, which Sony (edit: not Disney, my bad) mistook as genuine interest so they put it back into theaters only for it to bomb a second time.
Some people get unreasonably angry about this kind of stuff towards each others or worse taking it out on actors and creators that really don’t deserve it. Look up the story of Adam Beechen if you want an example of what I mean.
@@deepfriedbollocks4402 Those handful of people exist everywhere. No true Star Wars fan thinks Lando or Leia weren’t cool/good and important parts of the original trilogy. Putting in nonstop terrible acting one dimensional Mary Sue’s and retconning Star Wars and Star Trek to death is the problem not the sex and color of the actor. Two of the best movie franchises of all time (Aliens and Terminator) had female leads and a diverse cast. Today’s movie makers hate the original characters and are agenda driven plain and simple.
@@dispatch-indirect9206 it isn’t they’re just usually the most vocal I’m not even talking about it from a race and gender perspective that’s horse shit I’m talking about general us vs them mentality and it’s intensity making for a true toxicity think about the infamy of most shipping communities like most generally toxic people they only have one emotion and that anger.
@@andreafraustoz banish from what ? Existence ? We aren't an organisation, we can't take their "Geek card". And everybody is entilted to their own opinion. Even if it's bad and hurt your feelings.
I was born in 81 and grew up with Star Wars as literally the earliest stories I knew. The Empire Strikes Back was complete sensory overload and the most completely engrossing tale I knew in my young life. It's so good, even nearly 4 decades later, it still grabs my whole attention and sucks me into that world. When I was a kid, I wanted so bad for the story to be real. I used to lay awake at night as a 6, 7, or 8 year old boy creating elaborate Star Wars fantasies in my mind until I fell asleep. Retconning the original trilogy is completely unforgivable. They may own Star Wars, but the story doesn't belong to them. It belongs to the people in whose minds it has taken shape. They can do whatever they like with the new trash they make, but retconning the original story is completely unforgivable. It is creative and cultural vandalism. They are literally stealing a mythology from us. The people doing this and writing this garbage aren't even Star Wars fans. They change the story at will because they never knew it to begin with. It means nothing to them. Even worse, they're doing it to make a social and political point. It's sickening.
“Growing up it all seems so one-sided. Opinions are provided, the future pre-decided, detached and subdivided in the mass-production zone. Nowhere is the dreamer or the misfit so alone.”
As soon as this started I pondered.”Does Disney keep putting “minorities” into these shitty roles to deflect from the shitty writing”? Sure seems like a pattern at this point.
The answer is a solid "kinda". For females, I'm convinced that leftist writers (any writer Disney employs) can't write women in any fashion except for the same insufferable, bitchy "strong wamen" character that's in literally everything now. Some of those women are going to be considered "minorities" in the United States almost by chance. So any female character with any screentime has almost no hope of not being terrible. It's less common for male "minority" characters. Nobody really actively hates Shang Chi (his movie's just kinda terrible), and nobody disliked Falcon before his TV show turned him into a preachy child.
@@Paul-bs5wl You take that back Shang Chi wasn't amazing but it was damn fun watch. Even my buddy who typically just dislikes anything marvel had fun with it.
@@Paul-bs5wl It pained me how they made falcon preachy, I cringed at that "you've got to do better" also, I cheered when They blew up the prison truck. They had to die, there's no saving those people.
Toxic Fandom = Racist, Hateful people that think that just because the show isn’t to their liking they are justified in targeted relentless attacks against the actors… this shit has been going on since the prequels.
Disney is another example of Amy and her husband from Amy's Baking Company, but after all these years, Amy listened to herself and her critics and simply stuck to promote just baking in her business. Disney has yet to listen.
The “toxic fandoms” are just fans expressing frustration with legacy characters being used as the equivalent of click bait, just to draw fans to new material. It’s shameless, annoying, and insulting.
Breaking Bad had a great story. A minor character became a hit, got a spin off, and became a great series on its own, with great writing. There are probably a half dozen characters from the 2 series that could get successful spinoffs, because of the development of said characters. Feels like there’s something to learn here.
What's also funny is that BB and BCS have a very diverse cast, yet you never hear anyone complain about it. It's almost like the vast majority of a fanbase just want good characters and writers 🤔
The fan base isn’t toxic, but we are in a toxic relationship with the studio. They are ideologues who actually hate a large majority of the fan base, so they passive aggressively insert storylines and characters that they know will be problematic for that portion of the population. I believe it is more important to them that they stick it to that group of the fan base than writing a good show. They seethe with resentment and that resentment is evident throughout the writing of these shows.
When you care more about the story than the owners of the story, it's time to let it go and enjoy movies 4-6 and 1-3. You can safely ignore anything else.
For real, the Marxists in charge hate the fans. There is no other excuse. They are gaslighting us, and the only way to deal with a toxic relationship is to leave. Oh yeah, and make better things than they can dream of. Fan works are the way we win. Pirating is the way we win. Copyright law is made so corporations can steal the stories, and we win by taking back ownership.
@@teekay_1 Until they decide they will remake the originals in their style for "modern audiences" and begin to fill up fan discussions with all the "nufans" who hate the old "toxic fandom". This strategy of appeasement does not work against ideologues. They are there to remove and replace you and will just be all the happier to do it if you don't resist.
@@holy8782 I believe there is atoxic relationship but it is 99% to studio. I also believe a pretty reliable way to spot someone who is Toxic is the one using the word to shut down critique
It's true. Everybody complained about Luke in the new movies: was it because we hate Mark Hamill? Of course not. Is it because he's white? Of course not. Is it because the character was appallingly written? Yes. Yes it f*cking was.
If you have legitimate criticisms of her character, _that's fine._ Star wars isn't talking to you. They were talking to the people calling her a "darkie" and a "diversity hire" and just complaining that an inquisitor was black. *That is not legitimate criticism.*
@@milkboy9339 exactly - I think that's the point. I think people at least feel as though the legitimate criticisms were disregarded in a heap along with unacceptable racist trolls. I don't particularly enjoy the character, but I'm sure that if I met Moses Ingram she'd be a perfectly lovely human being. Anyway, there's still stuff to enjoy in all these shows, while other parts feel like a missed opportunity. Peace.
@@milkboy9339 pretty much what furious boy said. All the legit criticism is just swept under the rug because some fucks are being racist and trolling. It's sad but the more attention you give the more empowered those people are. Disney should address real criticism and ignore the trolls. Although that's probably an excuse so they don't have to own up to any real criticism
@@spaghettisauce1104 But it that Disney's fault? If someone is being racist and hurling insults at one of your actors, I think it's fair to say, "hey, stop being racist." The reason this is blowing up and "overshadowing real criticism" is becuase of all the reactionaries who are responding to _Disney._ This all could have ended with Disney's tweet back, but the reactionaries responding to Disney is what blew it up. Like look a Critical Drinker here, what criticism did he even level at Reva? Did he say _anything_ about why _he_ doesn't like her character or her story? Or did he just complain about "woke culture?" Woke culture in this case being, "asking some people who were clearly racist to please stop."
The sheer tone deaf irony of Disney, the giant evil media empire, saying "we resist". Who are you resisting? Some nobodys on Twitter? That's so brave of you
The oppressor loves to pretend they are the oppressed, because admitting what they are doesn't make for a compelling narrative that will put people on your side.
The irony of turning a beloved series or characters into unlikeable garbage and telling the fans and more importantly customers they are the toxic ones, is something even Mario 4 parallel universes ahead can't understand.
@@ZwalistyDrwal It is from Rosario Vampire, the Manga is quite good, but I wouldn't recommend watching the Anime since important stuff was left out so it only amounts to standard ecchi.
I’m so tempted to share this on a Star Wars group page but I know I’ll get crucified for it. Disney and Lucasfilm have basically won with the narrative that *all* fans are toxic, yes even in groups with thousands of members that’s the mindset. They’ve preached this for so long and so intensely that it’s more or less worked. And I’m so sad, I’ve wanted a Kenobi show for so long and now I’m not even bothered to check it out because of all the shite surrounding it with no focus on the story or characters. It’s basically “you better love Reva or you’re a bigot and a racist” fucking *yawn*
I went in expecting mid writing and directing and great acting from Hayden and Ewan and I haven’t been disappointed. Simply pirate it like me. Idk why so many people still don’t understand how easy it is to watch something for free online so you get to watch what you wanted without giving evil people your money.
However this time I think the past is simply bringing a lot of people in. Because this series so far has been good and Reva barely got any screen time in episode 3 so I think most fans are just bringing the past into this series.
I love how Drinker is not only of my exact sentiments - but he’s smart enough to properly express it. When it comes to matters like this, it’s so easy for me to lose control of my emotions and just go full hate mode, just like those “toxic fandoms” they complain about… but Drinker keeps his emotions in check, and can discredit things logically, no real hate in his voice. Major kudos to him being a well developed adult.
Since "The Northman" didn't have anything in it about "The Message" would those who criticized it for trying to be historically accurate be considered toxic?
Good film don't get me wrong, but considering the actual magic + deus ex machina and final confrontation taking place on the slope of an erupting volcano and none of it breaking suspension of disbelief, I'd give "The Northman" a 2/10 for historical accuracy, one point for the Vikings being a people who existed and another for it being set on actual places on Earth where the Vikings were.
Good point. I didn’t come across criticism for it because of that. Oddly enough, the pieces I saw that criticized it were talking about how it “glorified toxic masculinity,” almost implying that if you liked it, it was a problem. I think you hit the nail on the head. Notice it’s only “toxic” if elements that were supposed to package The Message(TM) were criticized.
@Alphax there wasn't any real magic though. Mysticism is just kind of tied into Norse culture and I think they were just trying to represent that. The same sort of stuff happened in Vikings, visions of the gods, and such but that series is generally considered to be quite historically accurate. The volcano fight scene was a bit much though 😂
@@Pandemia616 Amleth turning the dogs of the settlement against their masters and his GF calling up the winds on demand is magic, the crows pecking his ropes and the conveniently located unclaimed artifact sword are deus ex machina and again the final showdown among streams of orange hot lava are all strongly indicative that the movie doesn't want the audience to consider it any more 'realistic' than would be a movie adaptation of Beowulf or Greek myths.
@@alphax4785 Bro he had his girl pick magic mushrooms and fed em to the dogs 😂 it's clearly stated in the film. As for the other stuff it's quite clearly just meant to be symbolic, like prose in visual form. These are weak things to critique the film over, especially since it seems like you weren't even paying that much attention to it.
Hilarious. Black lives matter more than anything in the modern mainstream narrative... unless of course it's in anyway inconvenient for the Chinese Communist Party. Pretty much sums it up
I wished Disney could realize we don't want their woke diversity BS either and cater to us as well. This nonstop promoting of non-whites, women, and homosexuals as some kind of super people that rise above everyone is both laughable and obnoxious at the same time. Disney treats IQ and physical strength like they're non-existent and impossible to quantify.
Of course the fandom will be “toxic” they aren’t morons. They can tell when the studios are simply pandering and putting profits and social “issues” on top of actually creating an entertaining and cohesive story.
Star Wars was created from the outset with the intent of merchandising everything in and about it. Profits were the objective from before the point of conception.
if they truly gave a shit and a fukk about profits they'd knock this shit off already....let em burn for their foolishness! evil get's burnt to nothing, fools get slow roasted over days.....they are made to regret their foolishness and when they beg that's when we turn up the heat to the max..... evil will be vanquished but the worst offenders are fools and must be made an example of....
True, but sometimes people do look for things that aren't there aswell.. like reva is a bad character and badly written its nothing to do with her being black that is the issue (not saying you're saying this) casting a black person doesn't mean you're pandering instantly.. As a black manI hate is as much as the next person when their colour is the main point of the character as opposed to their journey, trials and tribulations they have to over come
You know, that level of stupid has to be dangerous. First off, the trophy generation, if there is one, was created by the generation beforehand so go blame them. Second, you can have a toxic fandom. You're seeing it right now by everyone who is complaining about Obi-Wan because... hm... reasons? I mean you can sit there and pretend that Star Wars has always been the go-to for top-notch writing, compelling characters, detailed storytelling, and no plot holes whatsoever and if you believe that I've got a couple of bridges I'd like to see you.
The criticism is targeted towards the writing of Revas character. It has nothing to do with her ethnicity or colour of her skin, her character feels forced and badly written. Paint her purple and recast her with a half Chinese/Scottish actor and it wouldn't make a difference. The character sucks. Bring back Jar Jar.
Soooo none of the racism she got was real? They’re clearly not lumping people in with legit criticisms with actual racists. Seems like you all are doing that to yourselves but hey
People shouldn't harass the actress of Reva. There's absolutely no doubt about that. But people have all the rights to criticise the series and the direction it's taken.
Wouldn't be surprised if the journalists themselves made fake accounts to harass her to create their story. Honestly, wouldn't put it past it scum like modern journalists.
That was something I always didn’t understand. It’s the same thing with Kelly Marie Tran as Rose. I never had the impulse to harass the actress, but I would always criticize her characters role in the movie. That blame would and should go to the directors and writers for making her character incompetent. Same thing with Revas actress; she’s not a bad person at all, but the choices the writers make with her character are game for criticism.
Disney saying "don't be racist" while also toning down black people for the Chinese market and also cutting stuff like the lesbian background kiss in the Chinese version of Star Wars... *insert Palpatine saying "ironic" here*
On a side note...wtf is Leah even doing in this show? It's obvious in A New Hope she never met Obi Wan. It's these things that make the new star wars and trek just shit
@@coreyledin-bristol7068 Yep. Continuity and in-world rules/logic get thrown out the window so they can ham-fist whatever woke shit they want. And the truth is they're all just bad writers. Woke shit can be injected into any ip without destroying it's basis, but they never could write anything good. Likewise, you can create a new, interesting character and make them amazing and badass without reducing the capabilities of existing characters. These are just people who can't write, and because we live in a world where woke talking points devoid of any substance passes for content these days, they're continually sought out and hired.
@@piercetaliaferro5393 The sequel trilogy undid everything the heroes worked for, and butchered Luke's character. This Kenobi series is doing the same to Kenobi. I doubt fans of the franchise who are huge fans of specific characters in the franchise would be happy with that. And I mean... we see that now.
In 2015 I remember reading an article someone wrote predicting the prequels would develop a major cult following once Disney over saturated the market with watered down content. That goes down as the best prediction I’ve ever seen anyone make.
I said that back in 2009. Yes, we knew as early as that that Disney was looking at acquiring Star Wars. It was on the old beta forums for SWTOR, and people were talking about an interesting little rumor that had been going around, that Disney had acquired Star Wars and was going to make more Star Wars movies. Everyone was super-excited, saying Disney was going to unbreak what Lucas broke. It was myself and one other person who said that this is going to cause people to recognize the prequel trilogy as being authentically Star Wars (whatever anyone might think of the quality) whereas Disney will just produce trash.
@@stupidanon5941it's notable that George Lucas and the cast of the prequels never treated fans badly in the way that Lucasfilm and Disney are currently doing. It's ironic, because they were in some ways treated much worse back then.
@@stupidanon5941 The prequels trilogy story is good. It's the acting that is hilariously bad and meme worthy. The story fleshes out so much of the original trilogy and gives it so much more meaning where there was nothing but mystery and fan fiction before.
Critical drinker, I would have loved if you'd pointed out the fact that Disney removed John Boyega from the China star wars poster, and literally went silent when called out on it. It is convenient to not "resist" that when Chinese money is more important than "resisting" racism.
That's how it is with these people when it comes to everything they claim to despise. Racism, sexism, rape culture, whenever it _actually_ happens, they become blind, deaf and mute purely because the perpetrators are the incorrect race/nationality/political affiliation/religion. That's why I never take anything they say or do seriously. Because they are hypocrites, liars and cowards. I just go about life as if they aren't important, and that their movies and TV shows are not canon. What they say about it doesn't matter to me.
Wish you would have mentioned: Moses went to an interview and said she was the first black person in Star Wars. Backlash was extreme. She used some of that backlash as one of her examples of toxicity. The one that said "lol you weren't the first ninja in star wars" was a response to her claiming that she was, in fact the first ninja in star wars.
These "toxic fans" need to just organically allow themselves to lose interest when the creators of the product clearly hate you. There's no reason to get mad, and wishing for things to change is futile
Absolutely however, I'd say they're mad cause 90 percent of shows and movies now are just made by pissed off people that want to use real life politics and make their statements with casting and horrible story writing. I'm a huge fan of the wire which is a majority black actor show and it's done amazingly. But when you want to make white people all evil and stupid it's clearly showing the audience that the ones in charge of the stories are antagonizing white men (who are all pure evil apparently).
Humans are naturally stubborn, add to that, people have spent years or even decades of their lives devoted to those fandom or franchises, you can't expect them all to just drop the devotion to the franchise they've spent so long loving simply because the recent products suck donkey c*ck. Mind you i agree with you to a degree, but simple apathy towards these things will result in nothing changing either, unless you somehow managed to make every single fan agree to dumping that franchise. In a sense, that kind of attitude is the same reason politics is so sh*te in today's world, because everyone has been raised to think ignoring it all is better than investing in changing whats wrong, leading to the uneducated masses of today who have face value levels of understanding when it comes to politics.
I mean if you like a Franchise a lot, and they keep milking it, its kinda rough to just say lets forget it. Not that you have to be toxic, but i find it justified to lets say , criticise Disney , because they really so ruin Franchise after Franchise , i dont mind if they get a lot worse Reputation. I mean they absolutely ruined potential of new Star Wars content, and made a mess out of the existing legend content everyone loved so much. Shortly, they keep milking one of the biggest Franchises aka Star Wars in the worst possible way. Then they also absolutely destroy Pirates of the carribean, replacing the actor who carried the Franchise after ruining his role before, and also just making worse movies. Lets not even get Started on the MCU, the biggest Movie Franchise of all time, absolutely destroyed by a bunch of mediocre movies and series
I'm more than happy to be labelled as "toxic" for giving legitimate criticism of poor acting/writing from Kennedyfilms, one sees it as a badge of honor.
I just see a bunch of Toxic Mainstream Media outlets who are so corrupt and moronic, that they think they can label everything as Racist, Sexist, Misogynist or Fascist, when they try to promote shitty Reboots or Remakes or Sequels who are so bad that even the most hardcore Fans can't stomach it. Yes, I see dead Mainstream Media, and like Zombies they don't understand that they are dead and just flail their arms and feet at you if you dare to say something different from their buffoonish narratives.
Frankly Dave Filoni wasn't really better. The only reason why I'd give TCW a straight average 5/10 is because George was there to keep an eye on that pathetic Fan fiction writer. And then Rebels happened and it's pretty much just a tiny bit better than the Mando, Bobba and Kenobi shows.
Whenever Disney touts their diversity and inclusion, we should always point it back to how they treat Finn. He went from a Stormtrooper who developed morals to join the rebellion to being everyone's black butt monkey.
@@lukebell4738 I would pick the trope of the established male (usually white) character being emasculated and replaced by a rushed and undeserving version of himself who is a girl now. Taking his place and being immediately way better than he ever was. Like what happened to Loki, or Thor, or He-Man, or even fucking Shang Chi.
Saying somebody is 'toxic' is just an ad hominem attack, just as a person telling you racist, islamophobe, 'genius', etc. It's not an argument, it's a way to kill debates so discussion does not happen.
If they are going to play that game, I have zero problem playing by their rules. They call me a "toxic fan" or a "racist," I have zero problem calling them an a$$hole or a ped-ph-le. No problem at all. I will happily play by the rules they establish.
Do NOT get me wrong, i side with Drinker here, in basically everything, but i do wanna mention: Yeah, we kinda do have a lot of -ists on this planet in general, tbf. I mean, even if we ignore the newest video of 'Some More News' or his videos about the Police and all it’s Flaws, we have a certain Political Party fall into complete Disarray and corwn themselves as having the 'objectively highest Saturation of C-Theorists'.
@@nenmaster5218 No we don't. All ists do is yell at the TV screen from their couch. They are literally powerless and inconsequential. There is ZERO reason to focus on anything they say. This is PURE deflection by Disney to shield themselves from the real criticism of their shit writing/casting choices. Reva sucks because she is a shitty character, portrayed by a shitty actress and is the focus of a show called OBIWAN instead of Obiwan himself. Racism is dead. It died in the 90s. Wokeness brought it back, but against whites. No one gives a crap about uncle bob yelling racial slurs at his TV screen... except woketards who PROJECT their own racism (against whites) on everyone else.
Yep! To make it even more pitiful, dumb-ass Boyega was complaining about racism here... He should take his complaints to China Communist Party instead! LOL! Disney did it because of Chinese censors. Progressives and wokers should move to China or North Korea to experience *social justice and equality* they want so much here...
