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Was Anakin REALLY a Mary Sue? 

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@TheCriticalDrinker
@TheCriticalDrinker 4 года назад
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@bronzeliver6735
@bronzeliver6735 4 года назад
Will u do a video on the boys season 2 trailer
@somerandomniggaontheintern5333
@somerandomniggaontheintern5333 4 года назад
*gary sue
@robertwilliams2520
@robertwilliams2520 4 года назад
I've always considered Anakin as a well written character, but poorly acted by HC.
@Jay_Baumans_Stuntdouble
@Jay_Baumans_Stuntdouble 4 года назад
This is awesome because todays my Birthday.
@We_Are_Borg_478
@We_Are_Borg_478 4 года назад
Perfect video, drinker.
@kebsis
@kebsis 4 года назад
I feel like Anakin's entire story in the prequels was that he WASN'T the Mary Sue they were hoping he would be
@mrbkkt1
@mrbkkt1 4 года назад
Nice take.
@BDLabs2
@BDLabs2 4 года назад
EXACTLY
@u.v.s.5583
@u.v.s.5583 4 года назад
Anakin! You were supposed to bring peace, security and sand to your new empire!
@billfred9411
@billfred9411 4 года назад
@@u.v.s.5583 I hate sand.... you know the rest
@andyappleton3353
@andyappleton3353 4 года назад
Disney looks over the earlier films...."This isn't the Mary Sue we're looking for."
@AkkadDaily
@AkkadDaily 4 года назад
Everything goes right for the Mary Sue. Nothing goes right for Anakin Skywalker. The comparison is absurd on the face of it.
@theMPrints
@theMPrints 4 года назад
Actualy no , there is no doubt for a moment that Anakin will fail. Its still bad writing.....
@grzyruth9205
@grzyruth9205 4 года назад
so basically Anakin is the Joker
@SolarDragon007
@SolarDragon007 4 года назад
Anakin is badly written on many levels, but being a Gary Stu isn't one of them.
@RadishDoctor
@RadishDoctor 4 года назад
It's simply put to hubris: Anakin falls from grace out of hubris and desperation. Rey has no hubris (because she's basically "perfect")
@jyotiradityaguleria907
@jyotiradityaguleria907 4 года назад
You seem lost, carl
@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 4 года назад
"I don't like Mary Sues. They're coarse and rough and irritating and they're everywhere. "
@marcheskitv
@marcheskitv 4 года назад
Just Some Guy without a Mustache I am having a goal to find every single comment you made lol. Found a good 95 already.
@fegeleinherman8587
@fegeleinherman8587 4 года назад
Have you ever heard The tragedy of Rey Palpatine the Mary Sue
@marcheskitv
@marcheskitv 4 года назад
Fegelein Herman “I thought not. It’s a sorry Lucasfilm would never tell you,”
@Kryptica
@Kryptica 4 года назад
More like YOU'RE everywhere.
@hookyhook6006
@hookyhook6006 4 года назад
You just described the Phantom Menace! (Minus Maul and Qui Gon. Don’t touch my handsome men)
@amelietestroote853
@amelietestroote853 Год назад
Anakin: looses his arms, legs, skin, hair, mom, wife, friend, mentor and freedom Rey defenders: MARY SUE!!!! Rey: looses nothing Rey defenders: If you call her a Mary Sue you’re a sexist
@michealmalloy1934
@michealmalloy1934 Год назад
Nobody even challenged Rey. Meanwhile Anakin get roasted well by his enemies.
@0spreii
@0spreii Год назад
@@michealmalloy1934 And his friends
@LiterallyEveryone217
@LiterallyEveryone217 Год назад
@@michealmalloy1934 Quite literally in ROTS
@Gunnumn
@Gunnumn Год назад
I love how you name his body parts first.
@Specolution
@Specolution Год назад
your godam right
@SeszerCaesar
@SeszerCaesar 3 года назад
"Is Anakin a Mary Sue?" "No" *credits*
@RenataHanusova
@RenataHanusova 3 года назад
(Direct and Written by George Lucas)
@Therizinosaurus
@Therizinosaurus 3 года назад
@@RenataHanusova the best person to direct Star Wars movies
@Svadilfare
@Svadilfare 3 года назад
The people who call Anakin a Mary Sue are dumb as rocks, TBH. A Mary Sue is someone who easily overcomes any adversity and is liked by everyone without reason. Rey fits this description perfectly, while Anakin does NOT. - Anakin is selfish and very arrogant - Rey is selfless and humble. - Anakin makes most people he meets uncomfortable or uneasy, Including Padme, the jedi council and even his future master, Obi-Wan - Whenever Rey meets someone, she is their best friend within 2 minutes. - Anakin talks about his inner darkness, ends up slaughtering an entire village of people, a temple of jedi and children, diplomats and thousands of innocents - Rey talks about her inner darkness and ends up killing her evil, emo boyfriend. - Anakin, the chosen one, stronger than anyone else with the force, faces off against a sith lord after 10 years of jedi training and loses both the battle and his arm - Rey, an untrained girl, faces off against a sith lord the day after learning that jedi are real and defeats him. - Anakin falls to the dark side of the force - Rey resists it without much/any effort. - Anakin is unable to save his mother, while also being the indirect cause of his own wife's death - Whenever someone close to rey dies, they are resurrected by her plot-armor. - Anakin fails to kill Palpatine - Rey kills Palpatine. These 2 aren't even in the same solar system.
@Go21place
@Go21place 3 года назад
Glorious
@ssgss4iammacabeefu_
@ssgss4iammacabeefu_ 3 года назад
Lmao
@bravo0105
@bravo0105 3 года назад
Being dismembered and set on fire doesn’t sound like a Mary Sue.
@robertdouth8979
@robertdouth8979 3 года назад
But it could lead to a delicious Gary Stew
@alejandrovillalba3143
@alejandrovillalba3143 3 года назад
@@robertdouth8979 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@sebastienbeaulieu4070
@sebastienbeaulieu4070 3 года назад
@@robertdouth8979 Bro that's too good 😂
@Alchemistic88
@Alchemistic88 3 года назад
Right?!
@ArvexYT
@ArvexYT 3 года назад
They're only a Mary Sue, after that, if they miraculously recover by the next day.
@ethanglover8244
@ethanglover8244 4 года назад
Anakin lost his mom, wife, children, friends, and all of his limbs. Rey lost nothing but time.
@Ivan_Berni
@Ivan_Berni 4 года назад
Krennic losses more time than Rey
@ethanglover8244
@ethanglover8244 4 года назад
@@Ivan_Berni and his life
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 4 года назад
​@@Ivan_Berni literally everyone else in that series loses more things than Rey. It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic
@SAGAtheGRAY
@SAGAtheGRAY 4 года назад
That's not true I'm pretty sure he kept one of his arms, but then again it's been a while since I've seen revenge of the sith
@ilsgrade8357
@ilsgrade8357 4 года назад
@@SAGAtheGRAY he didn't. In ep. 3 he kept his right arm after the fight with obiwan. His right arm was already cybernetic due to loosing it to count dooku in ep. 2
@Wolffman109
@Wolffman109 Год назад
13:48 Actually, the subtext of this scene is Anakin describing his childhood. He dislikes sand because it reminds him that he was a slave to Watto on a desert planet. Had he been surrounded by snow or fire or forest, he would've hated those instead, because the point is that, unlike the pain of his childhood slavery, Naboo is peaceful and soft and smooth, the exact opposite of Tatooine.
@ArchmagosErrantCarbos
@ArchmagosErrantCarbos Год назад
Keep in mind too, that anakin was about 18 or 19 when he married Padmé; and was an emotionally stunted and repressed boy who was suddenly given alone time with the woman he was crushing on since even before puberty.(Which is kind of gross now that I say it out loud.)Of course he was going to be awkward and wooden.
@JuliePartridge-zf2pw
@JuliePartridge-zf2pw Год назад
No the sub text here is that this is the worse chat up line ever, sand is rough, but you, you Padme you are smooth.
@Wolffman109
@Wolffman109 Год назад
@@JuliePartridge-zf2pw Some of the writing in the prequel trilogy wasn't the best, but I personally think that the hate is a little overblown.
@JuliePartridge-zf2pw
@JuliePartridge-zf2pw Год назад
@@Wolffman109 Its all personal opinion in the end and I honestly believe the dialogue was dreadful.
@Wolffman109
@Wolffman109 Год назад
@@JuliePartridge-zf2pw Some was, yeah, but at the same time, I love it.
@noahlanford2639
@noahlanford2639 3 года назад
Them: Anakin is a Mary Sue” Anakin at the end of episode 3: *loses his wife, children, limbs, friends, and brother all at once*
@s4mu1l_ssg64
@s4mu1l_ssg64 3 года назад
@@elmascapo6588 and proceeds to make bad decisions and kill innocent people through these 20 years. Definitely sounds like Mary Sue
@karateparty100
@karateparty100 3 года назад
@@s4mu1l_ssg64 and then imprisons his daughter, chop off his son’s arm, and carbonate-freeze his future son-in-law
@TheMamaluigi300
@TheMamaluigi300 3 года назад
And his hair
@karateparty100
@karateparty100 3 года назад
@@TheMamaluigi300 oh yeah haha
@ardanblade641
@ardanblade641 3 года назад
He does get his new best friend, The Senate though...
@ErwinSchrodinger64
@ErwinSchrodinger64 4 года назад
Let me get this straight, Anakin, one of the greatest force users ever, loses a lot of his abilities and never reaches the pinnacle of being a Sith lord nor a Jedi master. Loses his hand, his legs, becomes disfigured, and has 100% of body burned. Anakin loses everyone he loves, including his wife, all the while, trying to save those he loves the most. How... in... the... hell... is Anakin Skywalker... a Mary Sue?
@imo098765
@imo098765 4 года назад
Palpatine designed Vader life support system to be shit and his suit to be bad for combat, it was meant to keep him down just enough that if they got into a fight Palpatine would have the advantage.
@obiwankenobi8033
@obiwankenobi8033 4 года назад
@@imo098765 ironic
@gianmelendres5613
@gianmelendres5613 4 года назад
When dumb !diots only googled "Mary-Sue" rather than attending literature classes, that's how.
@llamapi3
@llamapi3 4 года назад
@@imo098765 I like the explanation for how awkward he fought in the original movies and how it didn't line up with the super acrobatic fight style in the prequels.
@ZzVinniezZ
@ZzVinniezZ 4 года назад
yeah if Anakin is a Mary Sue he would have Force heal Padme and defeat Obiwan despite his "Highground".
@therenegade6577
@therenegade6577 2 года назад
Anakin literally lost a limb, his mom, and eventually his wife. All being consequences for his mistakes. The dude’s whole story is how he became Darth Vader. Anakin is full of character development. Rey is nothing but corporate corruption.
@alecdl98
@alecdl98 2 года назад
And then lost all 3 of his other limbs and set on fire by lava and forced to live the rest of his life in a cumbersome, restrictive, and extremely uncomfortable suit he needs to stay alive
@cidiose
@cidiose 2 года назад
Luke is somewhat of a Gary Stu and Ray is the most glaring example ever of a Mary Sue, but Anakin? Nope. PS Edited just to have a better wording.
@happytimes8623
@happytimes8623 2 года назад
@@cidiose how is luke a mary sue? he wouldve died in anh if han didnt come back and shot vaders tie fighter, in esb he walks into a trap on bespin and gets his hand cut off, and in rotj wouldve died if vader didnt kill palpatine lol. how td is he a mary sue? hes also not liked by everyone, in anh the bar alien starts a fight with him, jabba laughs at him when he says hes a jedi. in esb yoda doesnt like him much either.
@spearfisherman308
@spearfisherman308 2 года назад
@@happytimes8623 also Luke has trouble with his training like lifting his x wing.
@lxrd5238
@lxrd5238 2 года назад
@@cidiose delete this comment now
@a.s.raiyan2003-4
@a.s.raiyan2003-4 Год назад
Calling Anakin a Mary Sue only started after people ridiculed Rey for being a textbook Mary Sue. It was done mostly by Rey fans just to defend themselves and now it's just their coping mechanism.
@CorePathway
@CorePathway 11 месяцев назад
Rey is a Mary Sue-per easy, barely an inconvenience type of character 😂
@trevorthornley8835
@trevorthornley8835 7 месяцев назад
​@@CorePathwayoh really!
@hardcoreking52
@hardcoreking52 3 месяца назад
What's funny is that the many people made the same rebuttals that the drinker made in this video. The op of the twitter post eventually just commented. "Lol. I triggered so many people. Man babies." Something condescending like that instead of addressing any of the arguments made against his statement.
@StevenZissimos
@StevenZissimos 4 года назад
"The fandom's been divided between those who like the sequel trilogy and those who like good movies." Couldn't have said it better 😂
@ReySkywalker2
@ReySkywalker2 4 года назад
Nah, the Sequels are great movies. Keep being toxic 🤡
@fidelmarquez3288
@fidelmarquez3288 4 года назад
@@ReySkywalker2 keep sucking on those toes
@kaori1173
@kaori1173 4 года назад
@@ReySkywalker2 u clearly have sh*t taste in movies I bet u loved watching movies like Charlie's Angels
@ReySkywalker2
@ReySkywalker2 4 года назад
Hi how are ya : l Lol, what a paradoxical statement. My taste in movies is only shit to you because of your differing opinions. Learn how opinions work, kiddo.
@StevenZissimos
@StevenZissimos 4 года назад
@@ReySkywalker2 lol "toxic". Imagine calling a different opinion toxic 😂
@fredrikthorvaldsen9692
@fredrikthorvaldsen9692 4 года назад
It’s weird cuz Anakin’s whole thing is that he’s a tragic character, that is an anti-mary sue
@AndreNitroX
@AndreNitroX 4 года назад
Not to mention he is the master of failure. Mary Sues don’t fail
@billfred9411
@billfred9411 4 года назад
A mary sue is someone who is seen as too perfect and almost boring for lack of flaws. That doesint line up with Vadar at all. Vadar fucked up so bad that he got the love of his life killed and became number one to the most evil man in the galaxy.
@billfred9411
@billfred9411 4 года назад
@Twisted Yoda I said he was number one to the most evil man. That evil man is the Emperor. I didn't say anything wrong but i could have phrased it better. What would be more accurate would be to say he became the puppet to the most evil man in the galaxy.
@danielolsson7134
@danielolsson7134 4 года назад
@@billfred9411 Second two most evil man in the galaxy as Darth Vader had that tiny amount of light and goodness still bruning inside of him that both Padmé and Luke saw.
@billfred9411
@billfred9411 4 года назад
@@danielolsson7134 Geez i guess im old and am using out dated lingo you guys dont understand. Being someones number one means you are his right hand man. I was saying Vader is number one to the most evil man. That evil man is the emperor.
@yourstruly4817
@yourstruly4817 4 года назад
Anakin failed as a Jedi and fell for the dark side and had to be saved by his son, so no. And let's not forget that he has weaknesses, especially sand.
@Amphibax
@Amphibax 4 года назад
and the high ground
@kirby7294
@kirby7294 4 года назад
Anakin's weaknesses are Sand, High Ground, and of course, a Bad Script...
@JCglitchmaster
@JCglitchmaster 4 года назад
Yea but didn't you know Rey failed to beat kylo in a single fight in the 3rd movie after beating him multiple times in the first 2 movies in both combat and Jedi tricks without any training what so ever. So clearly she must not be a Mary Sue.
@Jim-Tuner
@Jim-Tuner 4 года назад
The typical definition is "character who is depicted as unrealistically lacking in flaws or weaknesses." The whole character of Anakin is nothing but weaknesses and flaws.
@Himmyjewett
@Himmyjewett 4 года назад
@@kirby7294 that's what make the movies good
@gabler7992
@gabler7992 Год назад
to be fair, "I don't like sand" scene is plausible imo. I can see myself look like awkward shmuck in front of Padme
@klh768
@klh768 Год назад
I don't get why people talk so much shit about that scene. He's from a planet of sand... It makes sense.
@theredcinder7437
@theredcinder7437 Год назад
@@klh768 a planet of sand where he and his family were slaves at that
@subjectdelta4758
@subjectdelta4758 Год назад
And to be fair, he was a slave at the age of 3 and I’m pretty sure no Jedi would know how to flirt.
@xminusone1
@xminusone1 Год назад
I would have done it. But since I'm a German born Canadian who lived in Russia for many years and returned to Canada, it would have been snow instead of sand.
@xmariokiler2443
@xmariokiler2443 Год назад
sand bad and i did your mom
@jerichosombilon5169
@jerichosombilon5169 4 года назад
Anakin: *Trains* = Loses a hand, gets his ass kicked. Luke: *Trains* = Loses a hand, gets his ass kicked. Rey: *Doesn't train* = Beats the shit out of the antagonist Edit: If into the replies you will go, only pain you will find.
@ReySkywalker2
@ReySkywalker2 4 года назад
Also.... Anakin: Doesn’t train, is 9 years old and has no experience with piloting = Perfectly pilots a Naboo starship and destroys the Droid Control Ship. Luke: Doesn’t train and has only piloted a space tractor = Is able to pilot an X-Wing better than all the Rebel pilots and can use the Force to make a 1/1000000 shot - WITHOUT a targeting computer. Rey : Trains for 2 years and with ancient Jedi texts = Gets the shit beaten out of her by Kylo, tries to exile herself, gets force life drained by Palpatine and literally dies of exhaustion.
@jerichosombilon5169
@jerichosombilon5169 4 года назад
@@ReySkywalker2 Only AFTER beating the crap out of Kylo Ren 1-2 movies prior. And killing Snoke's bodyguards. With the actual end of the fight is Rey leaving him alone in the middle of the ocean. And Luke was established to be a good pilot and marksman in ANH. His ship is also a similar model to the T-65 X-Wing. Anakin, is literally Force Jesus. His reflexes are beyond any human, this allows him to react and maneuver better than ordinary pilots.
@charmer-8110
@charmer-8110 4 года назад
Our One True Emperor anakin has no prior experience with piloting? I assume you didn’t watch the pod racing segment plus he had R2 during that flight
@jerichosombilon5169
@jerichosombilon5169 4 года назад
@@ReySkywalker2 Also: Rey with no training: *Learns force techniques perfectly without practice, defeating a Dark Side user (A FRIGGING SKYWALKER) the first day she held a lightsaber*
@adamsandifer5588
@adamsandifer5588 4 года назад
Our One True Emperor clearly you didn’t click on the video to watch it. Her setbacks are merely fleeting moments that leave no lasting mark to her character, therefore she doesn’t develop.
@Dressyone223
@Dressyone223 4 года назад
Anakin commits genocide twice and he's still a more liked character than Rey "Skywalker" Plapatine.
@randomjoe3941
@randomjoe3941 4 года назад
Do not call that pretender a Skywalker! She is a Palpatine!
@Dressyone223
@Dressyone223 4 года назад
@@randomjoe3941 did you not notice the palpantine in quotations?
@613harbinger316
@613harbinger316 4 года назад
That incident with the Sand People is probably the closest Anakin got to being a Mary Sue, as Padme just dismisses his slaughter as a human flaw, because she likes him so much. You could say that Padme could see the good in him, but I think she was also scared of him and his instability and used her political skill to de-escalate him. That's pretty far from being a Mary Sue!
@ThePlayer920
@ThePlayer920 4 года назад
@@Dressyone223 You were misuing sneer qutoes in your original post and should've written Rey "Skywalker" Palpatine instead if that was your intention
@Dressyone223
@Dressyone223 4 года назад
@@ThePlayer920 fixed it.
@commandershepard5450
@commandershepard5450 3 года назад
Not even close. He got rejected by the council. He’s training literally started because the council was sad qui gon Jin died. He was shown as immature, and arrogant. He was bested by count dooku fairly easily in attack of the clones. He was fairly easily manipulated by palpatine. He fell from grace to become Darth Vader and was by no means perfect. He was a tragic character which made him so likable. Rey literally found lightsaber and boom, most powerful Jedi ever.
@adamgray1753
@adamgray1753 3 года назад
Very good post, Chris Belcore.
@b1battledroid179
@b1battledroid179 3 года назад
Well to be fair count dooku was a master duelist who trained 8+ years of training and his lightsaber was made to duel with.
@caioramos8454
@caioramos8454 3 года назад
@@b1battledroid179 80?
@b1battledroid179
@b1battledroid179 3 года назад
@@caioramos8454 no I think it was around 8 to 12 year
@caioramos8454
@caioramos8454 3 года назад
@@b1battledroid179 really? Dudes like 70 in the prequels, thougt he trained more
@PhilosophicallyAmerican
@PhilosophicallyAmerican Год назад
In the novelization of Episode III, Anakin needed to be a Jedi Master to access a piece of the Jedi library. He thought the key to saving Padme was in that section. So not only did the Council personally insult him, but they also denied him a chance to save his wife.
@ethanstorms4826
@ethanstorms4826 Год назад
I’ve also read the novelized versions a long time ago but I thought they’re not considered canon. Still a cool point tho
@geg_otmopo3
@geg_otmopo3 Год назад
Couldn't he just ask Obi-Wan for help?
@PhilosophicallyAmerican
@PhilosophicallyAmerican Год назад
@@geg_otmopo3 Ask the Jedi Master on the council for help with the wife he was ABSOLUTELY NOT supposed to have? Don't forget, he did go to Yoda for advice and all he got was silly New Age Buddhism about "letting go."
@geg_otmopo3
@geg_otmopo3 Год назад
@@PhilosophicallyAmerican Yes, Obi-Wan is dogmatic as hell but nearly not as much as Yoda. Also he and Anakin in ROTS were MUCH closer than just a master and a padawan, basically brothers. Pretty sure Obi-Wan wouldn't snitch on Anakin and he probably already knew about him and Padme.
@PhilosophicallyAmerican
@PhilosophicallyAmerican Год назад
@@geg_otmopo3 Fair points, but at the same time I understand why Anakin would not wish to take that chance. Additionally, Kenobi is not much more powerful than Anakin in Episode 3.
@nont18411
@nont18411 4 года назад
If he’s a Mary Sue, he would never become “Darth Vader” in the first place.
@ZzVinniezZ
@ZzVinniezZ 4 года назад
well there is alternative ending of "Star wars episode 3 game" where Anakin kill Obiwan on his high ground and Palpatine. but still would not counted as Mary Sue.
@FlorianFlorian573
@FlorianFlorian573 4 года назад
ZzVinniezZ I mean he’s still a villain. He just becomes emperor over palpatine
@ZzVinniezZ
@ZzVinniezZ 4 года назад
@@FlorianFlorian573 yes like i said he wouldn't be counted as Mary Sue as no one actually like him in the movie...the Council of Jedi caution with him being "the chosen one", Sith want to Manipulate him. the one who love him is Padme Mary Sue is a character that loved by everyone and even Villain would give the character an Easy time in a fight in a stupid way for the Main character to win.
@FlorianFlorian573
@FlorianFlorian573 4 года назад
ZzVinniezZ yeah I know.
@zer0rama572
@zer0rama572 4 года назад
@@ZzVinniezZ were can I c the alternate ending?
@jordirapper
@jordirapper 4 года назад
All Anakin was was the chosen one, one gifted in the Force. That is literally it. If he was never trained, he wouldn't know how to use the Force. Rey literally overpowers anyone without any training.
@sylesdeas_8502
@sylesdeas_8502 4 года назад
GrimmyReaper but..but muh desert scavenging.
@hoouos2
@hoouos2 4 года назад
Exactly, she even used the fuckin Jedi mind trick without prior training. When I saw that in the theaters I was like "how the fuck did you know how to do that? Or rather how did you even know what the fuck that was in general"? She also moved things with the force and defeated kylo ren. And the next movie is all about her training how to use the force and fight and I'm like: FOR WHAT????
@luisfernandollinas6029
@luisfernandollinas6029 4 года назад
Fuck, even Anakin being the Chosen One had to go through years of training and was still beaten by less powerful but more skilled/experienced opponents. Note very Mary Sue-like
@leenaleewitch3731
@leenaleewitch3731 4 года назад
If Anakin has been left on Tatooine...he may have never known about the full extend of his power so...yeah not a Gary Sue.
@stormbringer2840
@stormbringer2840 4 года назад
@@leenaleewitch3731 If anakin would've been left on tatoinne he would still be working as a slave of watto and would be the best pod racer that ever was . That's it , he couldn't even begin to win pod racing before Qui gon told him how to channel his potential and only then did he win .
@TheRCScotsman
@TheRCScotsman 4 года назад
The main difference between Anakin and Rey: Anakin is canon. Rey is non-fan-fiction.
@odinstorm17
@odinstorm17 4 года назад
You shouldn't phrase it like that. You make it sounds like all fan fictions are bad. I've read fan fictions that are better than the sequel trilogies that someone got paid to write. For clarification I've only watched episode 7, that was a boring and frustrating movie to watch.
@timonsolus
@timonsolus 4 года назад
Glasses foo : Absolutely! There’s some amazing Star Wars stories on FanFiction.Net
@Redrosewitch
@Redrosewitch 4 года назад
Yes. It's like badly written fan fiction. In fact there are amateur fan fiction writers who could have done a better job.
@sparkypack
@sparkypack 4 года назад
I will never accept the sequels!
@TheRCScotsman
@TheRCScotsman 4 года назад
@@branhun This guy got it!
@Steel-101
@Steel-101 2 года назад
What makes Anakin’s story even more tragic is that his personality actually got better during the clone wars. He goes from being an impatient padawan with a bad attitude, to a Jedi knight who has a better attitude and a little more patience. Plus he was a good master to Ashoka. He even showed restraint in the original 2003 cartoon that came out. As a Jedi Knight I mean. I’m not saying he was perfect but still he did show good character development. Still all of that character development was dumped into the lava because Anakin let his fears get the best of him. I will admit though the Jedi council(including Obi-Wan) was a bit critical on Anakin at times. So there was fault on both sides.
@ronantheronin3521
@ronantheronin3521 2 года назад
The Jedi Councel has done a lot to make Anakin as fucked up as he was. Yoda telling Anakin to let go of his emotions is not a valid response to someone who is grieving the losses of the ones he cares about like his mother, it isn't a healthy way to cope. Also remember in the Clone Wars where Obi Wan AND the Jedi Councel decided to gaslight Anakin into believing his master died? What about the time the Jedi Councel decided Ahsoka had to be put on trial for a crime she didn't commit, that led to her leaving the Jedi order aswell as leaving Anakin. Then the Jedi Councel denied Anakin the rank of master, because they were too scared of him. Sheeve Palpatine has always shown Anakin kindness and acceptance, which is why Anakin chose him over Mace Windu. The truth of the matter is. The Jedi Order where so corrupt and blind from politics that they allowed Sheeve to manipulate Anakin into joining his side.
@Steel-101
@Steel-101 2 года назад
@@ronantheronin3521 yeah very true. Only thing I disagree with you on is the whole master thing. I think Anakin needs to wait a little bit longer before he becomes a master. He’s a great warrior but there are some things he needs to learn before becoming a master. Even though he matured during the clone wars, he still lets his emotions take control of him. I would say make him a master around his late 20s or exactly 30.
@TOONYBOY
@TOONYBOY Год назад
@@Steel-101 I took the offer of the seat on the council but not a rank of Master to be a test of Anakin's pride and patience. He was denied the rank of Master, and he got visibly frustrated and vocally critical in the moment. The response they were likely hoping for was something along the lines of "If you do not think me ready for the rank of Master, then I should not have a seat on the Council". But the fact that the title and rank of Master wasn't granted to him being what set him off likely communicated to the Council that he was still too impatient to be considered a Master.
@rachelclark6393
@rachelclark6393 Год назад
​@@ronantheronin3521I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding the relationship the council had with Anakin. The council acting officially can't afford to play. They once said Anakin was dangerous, and they were absolutely right. Look how much damage he did because he got too attached to the wrong person. It s not Padme's fault, but Anakin's attachment to her meant the genocide of thousands of people, and later on millions. This is a direct result of Anakin never developing the qualities of an actual jedi. He could act like one, but he didn't have the mental and emotional grounding. This would have been okay if he acknowledged that and stopped putting himself in positions where that internal maturity was *necessary*, but this man was in charge of thousands of lives and acting like a teenager sneaking around. If you don't see what I mean, ask yourself, would Obi-Wan have fallen for the same trap? No. Obi-Wan proves himself capable of self-reflection, self-control, forethought, humility, etc. These are the qualities Anakin learns to imitate but not apply on his own. Would ahsoka have fallen for it? No. We all know she wouldn't have. Because Ahsoka is a jedi. Why does he get mad when told he'll be on the council but not a master? Everything we see tells us other jedi see it as an honor, but a duty and a responsibility. He evidently only sees the honor part. And he's too immature to understand that giving him the rank of Master would be ridiculous. They're not persecuting him by not promoting him. Being a jedi master at 25 would be absolutely laughable. He s way too young. And by his reaction, he proves right then and there that he's not qualified. An actual jedi, even if they were mad or embarrassed, would reason with themselves that expecting a promotion they haven't earned is arrogance and self-absorption. Anakins problems are exacerbated by Sidious's grooming. But that doesn't change the fact that he shares the responsibility because he never actually applies the lessons of the Jedi order. He wants the power, the prestige, to be somebody. But he's not willing to do the work and he has very little humility. If being a jedi was so intolerable, he could have left. Every Canon in star wars makes it clear the Jedi are not chained to the temple. If he felt unsupported, unloved, belittled, he could have left at any time and become and ordinary citizen. The Jedi order would not have pursued him unless he started doing dark side nonsense. He didn't do that because he *wanted* to be important. Why should he, who is so powerful and special, act like a random everyday nobody? I mean, he could have gone back and rescued his mother, you know gotten her off of tatooine, but no that wouldn't do. There are lots of people to blame for Anakin turning out the way he did, mostly himself and Palpatine. But if the Jedi were to blame for anything, it's not being hard *enough* on him.
@Turamwdd
@Turamwdd Год назад
@@rachelclark6393 While I agree with most of what you said, I disagree with the "not being hard enough on him" line. They said Anakin was dangerous from an early age and treated him as such throughout his formative years. Maybe had they actually been kind to him at some point, he would have been more accepting of their training. When you permanently keep somebody at arm's length, you can't be surprised if they eventually end the relationship.
@ivancorredera4241
@ivancorredera4241 4 года назад
Anakin: a literal chosen one figure in the force, was trained for over a decade, lost to Count Dooku in their first duel, lost his arm, his mother, betrayed the Jedi, betrayed his friends, almost killed Padme in a fit of rage, lost another arm and his legs after being defeated by his former teacher, and spent the next two decades under the guidance of emperor Palpatine, until he sacrificed himself when he threw Palapatine off a platform into an active engine, seemingly killing him instantly. Rey Palpatine: is able to best trained forces users with no training, also defeated several royal guards along side Kylo Ren with at most a days worth of training, was able to use force lightning and mind manipulation with no exposure to prior abilities, and finally defeated Sheev Palpatine in the dumbest way you can imagine, ultimately robbing that victory from Anakin, and just to add insult to injury, even buries his and Leia’s lightsaber in the place he hated growing up in and stole his last name.
@dresean3725
@dresean3725 4 года назад
You forgot about Force Healing. Can't forget about that
@1988foxtrot
@1988foxtrot 4 года назад
@@dresean3725 There are so many layers to the bullshit parfait that is Rey.
@Evilwolf21
@Evilwolf21 4 года назад
@@1988foxtrot You should coin that term, I love it
@brianwendel
@brianwendel 4 года назад
@Ivan just murdered the Mary Sue narrative worse than The Drinker!
@handsomest1
@handsomest1 4 года назад
He did kill Padme she died during pregnancy because of him
@isaackane4931
@isaackane4931 4 года назад
"Anakin is a Mary Sue!!1!!" His entire story is a blood-soaked tragedy that leaves him a crippled husk on life-support and everyone he knows either dies or wants him dead. Totally comparable to Rei whose only moment of tragedy is when she only got "one-quarter portion" from her blob-dad. Makes sense.
@Mumblix
@Mumblix 4 года назад
"one-quarter portion from her blob-dad. Makes sense." OMFG! He was totally fat-shaming her!
@thebigpig2364
@thebigpig2364 4 года назад
The fact that they even attempted to call Anakin a Mary Sue shows how much they don't know movies
@debussy9373
@debussy9373 4 года назад
@60 Billion Double Dollar Man what do u mean?
@debussy9373
@debussy9373 4 года назад
@60 Billion Double Dollar Man are you saying doomguys a mary sue?
@kebsis
@kebsis 4 года назад
@@debussy9373 I guess that's not entirely inaccurate, but he's really less a character and more an avatar for the player. Not really what you should be basing your movie character development on
@Gabriel-ez9ij
@Gabriel-ez9ij 4 года назад
The guy literally was corrupted and changed sides that makes him not a Mary Sue already lmao, do those people even watch the movies
@RBelmont007
@RBelmont007 4 года назад
No, they don't.
@jackerylel
@jackerylel 4 года назад
The point is not the truth behind the statement. It's a trick to get you to refute or defend at length a completely irrelevant point, and forget the whole point of the argument. Watch Bill Hicks' take on post modernism for a good summary.
@TwoSevenX
@TwoSevenX 4 года назад
They don't watch them, as sales borne out. The louder the SJW, the more likely that they've never heard of jack shit about the actual subject they're trying to cancel you over. Freudian Hypocrisy 101.
@kyrusxi
@kyrusxi 4 года назад
Nah, classic SJW behaviour is to get pissed at something they don't even know anything about for virtue bucks to spend in the vbuck store
@lagio3195
@lagio3195 4 года назад
TwoSevenX what the fuck does freudian mean here
@unit38421
@unit38421 Год назад
The story of Mary Sue from a mythological perspective is essentially the absence of struggle and adversity. Anakin’s story, at least if you limit it to the prequels, is a literal tragedy. He sacrifices everything and gets nothing in return, and the worst part is that it could all have been avoided. Sure, Anakin was more gifted than any other but he was equally cocky and arrogant which was the cause of his ultimate fall from grace.
@sithlordzach8418
@sithlordzach8418 10 месяцев назад
Star Wars is, quite literally, the Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker. It's his rise, fall, and redemption.
@6ixlxrd
@6ixlxrd 3 года назад
"Is Anakin a Mary Sue?" Anakin: *Can't Even Be a Chosen One Correctly and Fails at Fulfilling His Own Prophecy After Crippling Himself Mentally and Physically* Sequel Fans: "Ya'll hear sum?"
@samuraidog6836
@samuraidog6836 3 года назад
Hi
@dildodickings2668
@dildodickings2668 3 года назад
Anakin did fulfill his prophecy it just took 6 movies to tell the whole story. He brought balance to the force by killing all the jedi and the sith. It's a wicked story George Lucas is a genius.
@shrekzebee4435
@shrekzebee4435 3 года назад
@@dildodickings2668 love how you left out the sequels that never even linked to the lore developed by the previous 6 movies
@dildodickings2668
@dildodickings2668 3 года назад
@@shrekzebee4435 Yeah to me star wars is the story of the chosen one Anakin Skywalker and that story was told by the first 6 episodes already. Why make more ? Obviously i know why but to me the story of star wars is done they should have made some individual stories not "continue" the already finished story.
@solar8314
@solar8314 3 года назад
Not to mention he lost 3 limbs and all his flesh was burned off
@wolfrainexxx
@wolfrainexxx 3 года назад
Anakin cried. Luke cried. Rey frowned.
@alexanderelderhorst2107
@alexanderelderhorst2107 3 года назад
She frowned cause she saw her script was terrible and it was so bad she couldn't even shed a tear, it surpassed into complete mental shutdown and she blanked out.
@jumblestiltskin1365
@jumblestiltskin1365 3 года назад
She frowned because she just knew she'll never be the legends of cinema that the original movies created.
@malcolmjenkins3585
@malcolmjenkins3585 3 года назад
Brilliant, *brilliant*
@dominik4666
@dominik4666 3 года назад
That's on the actor probably lol
@Ricardo-cl3vs
@Ricardo-cl3vs 3 года назад
Finn yelled "REEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!"
@Frosthief
@Frosthief 4 года назад
Anakin: Thinks he's invincible, reality differs Mary Rei: Is invincible, doesn't even notice
@PopcornMax179
@PopcornMax179 4 года назад
Anakin: Loses a hand, then later becomes a quadriplegic piece of smokey bacon. Rey: Still got all her original parts.
@Jordie_42
@Jordie_42 4 года назад
shes even surprised by how good she is. like when she moves all them rocks in TLJ
@Darkdayzz
@Darkdayzz 4 года назад
Marey SUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEE
@decay79
@decay79 4 года назад
TPM Anakin is pretty much a Mary Sue, everything he does turns to success, it might not be on the same level as Rei but its still there.
@Norbingel
@Norbingel 4 года назад
@@decay79 sure as heck wouldn't wish that success on anyone
@h.s.l6875
@h.s.l6875 Год назад
Anakin is a false Messiah, i love his story. He's actually the most compelling character for me.
@klh768
@klh768 Год назад
Anakin is the one who brings balance to the force until the stupid ass new movies I pretend don't exist came out.
@m4gick
@m4gick Год назад
@@klh768 bro what new movies?
@brockdavid
@brockdavid Год назад
The original Obi-Wan was the chosen one. He brought balance to the Force, when he defeated Vader on Mustafar (Lava World, Revenge of the Sith, I don’t count Disney Star Wars as Canon) and Anakin was the “false messiah” as you put it, but, in my opinion, he (as with most messiahs) had a series of critical moments that turn him from a herald of an uplifting exhalation, and becomes a dark destroyer (or, ‘fiery-accuser) to punish society’s (the Emperor) ills.
@paulh.9526
@paulh.9526 Год назад
@@brockdavid After the events of Mustafar, Darth Sidious was still about. I'm pretty sure even if Anakin didn't turn, order 66 would have happened (although less effective, obviously)
@klh768
@klh768 Год назад
@@m4gick idk.. new Starwars movies.. You mean Rogue One? That's the only one I can think of.
@sealofapproval3578
@sealofapproval3578 4 года назад
Anakin is a Shakespearean tragic character The writing of Rey is a Shakespearean tragedy
@Icanonlycountto4
@Icanonlycountto4 4 года назад
Dude, well put
@au7923
@au7923 4 года назад
Is this a joke?
@LucavlogsandgamingOFFICIAL
@LucavlogsandgamingOFFICIAL 4 года назад
Not rey, the entire sequel trilogy is a tragedy, a Kathleen Kennedy tragedy
@grimtermite191
@grimtermite191 4 года назад
this is the best comment i have ever read
@michaelvalentinoyo1259
@michaelvalentinoyo1259 4 года назад
@@au7923 No, It's a Fact
@panzerschliffehohenzollern4863
@panzerschliffehohenzollern4863 4 года назад
And Rey *DARE* to call herself a "Skywalker" without losing her hand!?!??! What sorcery is this???
@mainiomooses8174
@mainiomooses8174 4 года назад
Yeah but she put some life force from her hand to the snake in the pit and the hand was like cold for maybe 5 seconds. That's gotta count right..
@penguinsrockrgr8yt216
@penguinsrockrgr8yt216 3 года назад
@joaquin arguello she lost her han(d)
@malmalfactor3544
@malmalfactor3544 3 года назад
@Oliver Higgins That's because Anakin is actually her dad. Sheev Palpatine is Rey's Grandfather and therefore Rey is a Palpatine, not a fucking Skywalker. You're not just part of someone's legacy just because you say you are.
@12gaugegod
@12gaugegod 3 года назад
@@mainiomooses8174 she never had a robotic hand
@fookinkoont
@fookinkoont 3 года назад
@@malmalfactor3544 watch Disney make Palpatine Anakin's father
@a-dent
@a-dent 4 года назад
The short answer? Nope. This guy trained for years to develop his powers and still made enormous blunders that impacted countless millions.
@rejvaik00
@rejvaik00 4 года назад
He lost *ALL of his limbs* he suffered for his choices, before earning his redemption Rey doesn't even come close to suffering from anything
@corruptangel6793
@corruptangel6793 4 года назад
Literal prophesied hero demigod in the prime of his life with 10 years of training in the best conditions possible...gets brutalized and mutilated by an 80 year old wizard in a sword fight.
@ramenbomberdeluxe4958
@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 4 года назад
I was about to say, and like...you said it for me. Anakin not only has bad shit happen to him, and not only is a lot of it his own fault, but his flaws cause BILLIONS and then some to suffer!
@decimation9780
@decimation9780 4 года назад
*tens to hundreds of billions.
@cameronwhitehead5019
@cameronwhitehead5019 4 года назад
Guys anakin is too op like it’s totally unnatural for a white male to train for years and to be the prophecy and still lose to stronger people
@adamaccountname
@adamaccountname Год назад
It seems like there were good stories in the prequels for those looking for them and with a bit of generosity for all the awful dialogue. The sequels you can just tell they didn't have a story to tell
@mikeexits
@mikeexits Год назад
Watch the video "George Lucas - King of Wooden Dialogue", it might add to your perspective on the dialogue a bit. I've personally never had an issue with the dialogue, but maybe that's because I watch the two trilogies as a sort of modern cultural mythology, rather than a story that's grounded in our world in every way except the sci-fi stuff. I know it's Apples and Oranges, but they're all still fruit: I also never had a problem with the seemingly odd dialogue in stories like Gilgamesh, the various Shakesperian plays, Brave New World, A Clockwork Orange, Eraserhead, Twin Peaks, and probably others that aren't coming to me yet. I think the merit of dialogue delivery is relative to the tone you're going for in whatever medium you're telling a story within, and the overall way the setting/world in said story operates.
@mrscruffles801
@mrscruffles801 Год назад
"I know it's apples and oranges, but it's all still fruit" I'm gonna remember this next time some penishead says "Um like you literally can't compare (x) to (y) because (superficial different between x and y)
@_Its_Ya_Boy
@_Its_Ya_Boy Год назад
Bassically all the sequels are, just a money grab, but still enough of a continuation of the series I suppose
@joshuabenitez3260
@joshuabenitez3260 4 года назад
"Perusing Twitter when I was looking at calm, logical, and rational comment" Man his sarcasm is on point!
@businesssecretsofthepharao8901
@businesssecretsofthepharao8901 4 года назад
Joshua Benitez it’s a second language for the Jocks.
@warlord733
@warlord733 4 года назад
@@businesssecretsofthepharao8901 what do you mean?
@AverageBritishNerd1138
@AverageBritishNerd1138 4 года назад
@@warlord733 It's the way we speak. If there's not thick sarcasm then it's not real conversation.
@somerandomguy2991
@somerandomguy2991 4 года назад
Anakin: Gets his hand cut off and later loses pretty much all his limbs while being turned into a burnt chicken nugget. People: "Ah yes, definitely a Mary Sue."
@Authent12
@Authent12 4 года назад
You forgot that he also was pretty well fried by Quant Dwukku
@MrHanderson91
@MrHanderson91 4 года назад
Nuggies are for normies reeeeeeee
@Umbra_Ursus
@Umbra_Ursus 4 года назад
Meanwhile, Rey makes it through 3 whole movies with... Hell, did she even get scratched?
@ffordegroupie4931
@ffordegroupie4931 4 года назад
@@Umbra_Ursus I don't even think she made a grimace of effort.
@infamousgames7621
@infamousgames7621 4 года назад
fforde groupie I think she might’ve broke a sweat in the Ros but that’s just a theory
@yokgor4675
@yokgor4675 4 года назад
Anakin trained for 10 years, can’t heal his mom. Rey trained for maybe a few months, heals a lightsaber stab wound instantly
@frankhdz
@frankhdz 4 года назад
Rey never even trained, she never had to. From the start she was using Jedi mind tricks without even knowing what the force really is (Luke was not able to do this till episode 3 after many years of training). She was besting Kylo in a light saber duel and besting him easily without having used a light saber before. Her character is ridiculous, and the last Jedi was one big cringe fest. Terrible movies. When I first saw the force awakens I though it had potential, now looking back the signs of the new trilogy being a big steaming pile of dog crap were there. I was simply eager to see a new star wars trilogy with my kids. They didn't like them either, but they do like the Lucas Star Wars the real Star Wars.
@Tareltonlives
@Tareltonlives 4 года назад
"I've only seen this kind of raw power once before?" "Your father?" "Nah, the Chosen One is a loser" "Your sister?" "Never finished her training" "Obi-Wan" "Not him either"
@saloz9483
@saloz9483 4 года назад
hell rey didn't even train. They forced in some training spots in rise but thats cause people pointed out how the hell is she so powerful with zero training.
@petercarioscia9189
@petercarioscia9189 4 года назад
@@Slavic_Boer and according to Poe, Rey took his title of "best pilot" and of _course_ she's the best fighter in the "resistance" Gosh golly, isn't Rey just the bestest! She can do everything! Such great, very wow!
@petercarioscia9189
@petercarioscia9189 4 года назад
@@Slavic_Boer who is Anthony Ingruber? Na, Disney needed someone famous, someone with "star power." they needed that other guy, good ol' what's his name to draw on the crowds. You know the guy, I think was in that other thing?
@Lord_Baphomet_
@Lord_Baphomet_ 2 года назад
Even at the end of episode III… when he actually gets into the suit… THE FIRST THING HE SAYS is “Where is Padmé? Is she safe? Is she alright?” And it is at this moment you actually see that he was nothing more than a weapon… and that the Emperor didn’t even grant him his wish of saving Padmé… just used him.
@justforever96
@justforever96 3 месяца назад
At that moment? Isn't that obvious through the whole thing? He was being used, the take out the Jedi and because Palpatine wanted a new acolyte and he was very powerful. What better victory than to turn their great hope against them and use him to destroy them. Although what annoys me is how did they not see it coming? They knew from the start it was risky to train him, he had too much baggage. And then they just ignore all the warning signs and all security are just like "well i guess we will just have to hope he wins in his personal struggle with the Dark Side, because it would sure suck if this powerful new Acolyte we are training and who shows resentment, an inability to conquer his emotions and fears,an inability to take orders from anyone, pride and ambition, turned to the Dark Side and then attacked us from within, right? Although to be fair since they somehow didn't know about Palpatine either, they didn't know that he was being actually trained in the Dark Side. Maybe a pupil who is just sliding over the line is usually easier to save and pull back, they don't usually go directly to murdering all the children.
@ScripulousFingore6133
@ScripulousFingore6133 4 года назад
Those who says Anakin is a Mary Sue weren't paying attention. It's not just about being strong
@lordshadow19
@lordshadow19 4 года назад
Episode 1 Anakin is a Sue, that goes away with episode 2 and 3 though.
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 4 года назад
@bodd boward to be real, it was said that Anakin never won a pod race before then, despite various attempts. He probably learned a lot from those failures and definitely took in a lot of junk his boss was throwing out. . As for building droids, fixing things is literally his job, so it makes sense that he can do it. . As for his success in the space battle, he literally just blindly stumbled into that victory like the child equivalent of Jar Jar Binks
@PetroDobrynin
@PetroDobrynin 4 года назад
@bodd boward was it implied that during the race it was first time Anakin riding a pod? He's a powerful force sensitive and probably trained how to ride that thing. And it's not like he built robot from scratch, he probably just assembled it from different working parts he found, not a hard task considering he was working at mechanic shop. So yeah, I call bullshit on at least two of 3 accusations.
@dedge8060
@dedge8060 4 года назад
@bodd boward if you haven't seen it for 20 plus years, why would your comment be valid in the least?
@Justin_Anvil
@Justin_Anvil 4 года назад
InfernosReaper Agreed. If you’ll indulge me for a minute: In the Star Wars Phantom Menace novelization (which came out months before the movie), Anikin’s force abilities were pretty passive. He was attuned toward mechanical things that he had fixed, and he had heightened perception. You’re right, he hadn’t won a pod race up to that point. As a slave he pretty much put Watto’s junk back together so that Watto could sell it. He had the force, but the main things he did come about through training and he was helped by Watto’s repair droids.
@Chosimba_ng
@Chosimba_ng 4 года назад
"Remember when older mentors were allowed to train the protagonist?" This single statement is the main thing wrong with Rey...
@thibaldus3
@thibaldus3 4 года назад
"OLD(er) MEN(tors)". -> Here is your problem. No movies for them anymore.
@Mia-gamin-616
@Mia-gamin-616 4 года назад
Remenber when Disney created a female Yoda and she just disapeared after episode 7
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 4 года назад
@@Mia-gamin-616 You mean that person who was in a cameo in episode 8, but not doing anything useful over some quibble or something and only could be bothered to give very vague clues to the identity of a codebreaker, which ended up causing more problems than it resolved?
@britbloc123
@britbloc123 4 года назад
Rey's a strong independent woman. She don't need no man.
@Marmocet
@Marmocet 4 года назад
Yep. In the Disney sequels, we can't show women ever needing to learn anything, especially from a straight white man (yuk!!), so instead, it's Rey who winds up teaching Luke Skywalker a thing or two.
@SkillLevel0
@SkillLevel0 4 года назад
How can anyone sit there and say Anakin is a Mary Sue? The guy LITERALLY turned to the dark side
@ghuttsmckenzie4269
@ghuttsmckenzie4269 4 года назад
After getting his legs cut off and getting deep fried.
@swahiliranger1022
@swahiliranger1022 4 года назад
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 Nah he was already far-gone before that point.
@pete3011
@pete3011 4 года назад
B/c they dont actually know what a Mary Sue is, they just sort of have a vague idea from criticisms of ray, so they incorrectly tried to apply it to Anakin.
@DattMekker
@DattMekker 4 года назад
@@pete3011 That's exactly what it is. They only note that Rey is "strong" and then somehow equate her to Anakin cuz he was strong too -- ignoring every other characteristic of a Mary Sue, and every other characteristic of Anakin. I think anyone who equates the two either hasn't seen the prequels or was too young to remember them.
@andersonn330
@andersonn330 4 года назад
it’s like he said ppl don’t even know what a mary sue is
@Jake-im8eq
@Jake-im8eq Год назад
This is actually why i love the prequels so much. It’s basically one movie split into 3 chapters. It may not be everyone’s cup of tea but you can’t deny the great character development and overarching story
@christophertaylor9100
@christophertaylor9100 Год назад
yeah, yeah we can deny that
@Idk-cy2sb
@Idk-cy2sb Год назад
Agreed
@GenericUsername-o7d
@GenericUsername-o7d Год назад
@@christophertaylor9100your favourite movie was probably eternals
@christophertaylor9100
@christophertaylor9100 Год назад
@@GenericUsername-o7d Kids usually like the prequels, its when they grow up and watch them again that they realize how terrible they were.
@GenericUsername-o7d
@GenericUsername-o7d Год назад
@@christophertaylor9100 what exactly made them so bad
@JosephBrostar
@JosephBrostar 3 года назад
"Anakin is such a Mary Sue because he's flawless in every way" Anakin straight up has borderline personality disorder
@splitsong7368
@splitsong7368 2 года назад
If they consider Anakin flawless that says so much about what they consider virtuous.
@HereIsWisdom1318
@HereIsWisdom1318 2 года назад
@@splitsong7368 Those ppl that consider Anakin as a “flawless” person are straight evil!
@Mephilis78
@Mephilis78 2 года назад
@@splitsong7368 That's a good point, because I was thinking about the way these sequel fanatics act.... They have a lot in common with Anakin, especially young stupid AOTC Anakin.
@simonpetrikov3992
@simonpetrikov3992 2 года назад
Yeah he's actually mentally ill like in the clinical sense so that destroys the idea of being him a Mary Sue
@joshuaholland5279
@joshuaholland5279 2 года назад
He just needed someone to talk to really if the Jedi had allowed attachments he could’ve been the greatest Jedi ever
@themudkipmando4125
@themudkipmando4125 3 года назад
It took 13 years for Anakin to learn to fight with lightsabers, Rey just swings a lightsaber like a tennis racket
@QKvox
@QKvox 3 года назад
And he still wasn’t a master until he became a sith
@owyemen9367
@owyemen9367 2 года назад
@Only1CookieMan Noone is gonna get this lmao
@aaroncabatingan5238
@aaroncabatingan5238 2 года назад
@Only1CookieMan I just watched that video LOL
@elfasto2255
@elfasto2255 2 года назад
@@owyemen9367 I get it, but I am a nobody
@owyemen9367
@owyemen9367 2 года назад
@@elfasto2255 did you find the kitty cat bracelet?
@falconeshield
@falconeshield 4 года назад
The worse thing is that Rey is angry all the time yet she never suffers the consequences when it comes to being a Jedi.
@varshard0
@varshard0 4 года назад
Briefly when she killed Chewbacca. Whoopsies, you shot the wrong ship.
@Petaurista13
@Petaurista13 4 года назад
Worst is that she is written by somebody who probably never tried to watch Ep. I-VI for any other reason than stilling some ideas (but without understanding lore0 or I dunno. Visit wookiepedia. My "fan" thing in SW is reading on internet about stuff that wonderedd me, playing few games and watching movies. I would probably write better Ep. VII-IX drunk. As joke.
@mksmike
@mksmike 3 года назад
Her dark side resistance probably works like movie Bruce Banner's...
@keniel-prime6214
@keniel-prime6214 3 года назад
@@mksmike atleast he had some sort of consequence, unlike rey.
@mksmike
@mksmike 3 года назад
@@keniel-prime6214 I recall writing something about Anakin in the movies not being well-written, yes, but I don't think it was in this specific thread. Here, I was mocking Rey's absurd powers by making a comparison to the hulk in the avengers movie. You know, that "I am always angry" bs?
@bluebladex3
@bluebladex3 Год назад
Anakins personality was shaped by his childhood. He loved his mother who protected him as a slave and quickly went from a slave to a Palawan and was told he was special. Any kid would grow an ego and become overconfident, rash, temperamental which we see as a constant pattern of behavior through the trilogy which makes SENSE. Now with Rey she was abandoned by her parents and had to learn to salvage. JJ tried to show off her salvage skills and whatnot but it was literally a small bit, Rey should have also been reluctant to accept her force sensitivity and have a hard time connecting with people. She should have been distrustful of everyone and not accept any help from anyone due to the pain of being abandoned as a child and feeling that if she were to trust anyone she'd be hurt. Could have had Rey steal the Falcon and run away when they met Han. She should have been someone damaged just like Anakin who had issues with his temper and overconfidence. Rey should have been more introverted, distrustful, skeptical, blunt and sly with half truths to everyone not letting on much about her. People point out Rey's deadpan face but that is what a Mary Sue is. They don't have personalities since they are flawless so they can't be shown as angry people or depressed etc. Rey should have been a very prickly person and hard to deal with but who slowly opens up to Han and Leia. She should have been tempted with Kylo Ren who would try to bond over how it feels to be betrayed and Kylo could have manipulated her to believe to never trust the Jedi as he was betrayed by Luke and Rey believing him and slowly falling for the dark side of the force. We could have had a moment where she and Han develop a bond and at the same time she is bonding with Kylo through the force bond they had or whatever and her switching to the Dark side. But then when she sees Kylo kill Han she'd fall to anger even more and attempt to kill Kylo and lose and be abandoned by Kylo who leaves her for dead after all the promises of making her his apprentice and giving her a place where no one would abandon her and instead she could be the one in charge and the second movie could have been her recovering and Luke perhaps coming back after hearing of Hans death and helping Rey master the force to avenge Hans death out of regret his best friend died because he had abandoned the fight. I'm writing a damn script here but I made this up as I went and pretty much sounds 10x better than Disney's shit not to toot my own horn but honestly even 10 year old me could have wrote something better tbh.
@connortg5
@connortg5 Год назад
honestly this does sound a lot better, like, genuinely the only thing i'd change is (at least specify) that luke didn't still attempt to kill kylo over a *fucking nightmare* seriously, the sequel trilogy has a lot of flaws, but i will always think that *luke skywalker* attempting to murder his padawan and nephew over a nightmare is easily the worst part.
@ODMUSH
@ODMUSH Год назад
This is the story we should've gotten, love this it makes logical sense for the character's archetype.
@IHateHoldo
@IHateHoldo 3 месяца назад
You know there's actually a video created by the critical drinker that gives an alternate version of reys character in TFA. I recommend it
@harikrishnanp2434
@harikrishnanp2434 2 месяца назад
Your excellency, this is a very realistic plotline which encompasses all traits of the characters involved, what are their worldviews, how they interact with other characters, and the motivation of their actiobs and its consequences, even if it ignores the extended universe series of novels which continue on the story of star wars after the end of Return of the jedi movie. Now, if only the studios had made a similar approach.....
@twilighthero9358
@twilighthero9358 3 года назад
"I was browsing twitter looking for calm, logical, rational discussion about the merits of the sequel trilogy" Ah I see you're only interested in the exceptionally rare.
@thekodex1186
@thekodex1186 3 года назад
r/saltierthancrait would appreciate him
@mctownes2013
@mctownes2013 3 года назад
You'd have better luck finding cheap coffee at Starbucks.
@Dash-lx4ng
@Dash-lx4ng 3 года назад
You'd have better luck seeing Bigfoot
@valco8371
@valco8371 3 года назад
you’d have better luck understanding a david lynch film on first watch
@thetribalist6923
@thetribalist6923 3 года назад
Nice Aladdin call back.
@BlameTheController
@BlameTheController 4 года назад
its hilariously dumb that people think the incredibly flawed Anakin is a mary sue where one of the main principles is to be flawless
@sethmalcolm6955
@sethmalcolm6955 4 года назад
Dude literally kills everyone he meets except obiwan, and survived where he was suppose to die
@jasonlucero5359
@jasonlucero5359 4 года назад
I like how part of his character is that he cares to much for the ones he loves and would do anything to protect even if it means to kill others for them. It shows his flaw in how he is to easily controlled by his emotions and that his arrogance is his downfall. He also had to work hard to become a Jedi and has many years of experience.
@rkochamp07
@rkochamp07 4 года назад
Love your OW content BTC. Its awesome that youre a Critical Drinker fan as well. Keep up all the great work dude
@Himmyjewett
@Himmyjewett 4 года назад
@@sethmalcolm6955 you know who Darth Plagueis is right you know who his Apprentice is right what is Darth Plagueis one standout feature you can make people survive the only reason why he killed all those Jedi was because they thought he was a Jedi but didn't realize that he turned
@TH3F4LC0Nx
@TH3F4LC0Nx 4 года назад
@@sethmalcolm6955 Except Yoda had to save his ass from Count Dooku, so... :/
@FormerGovernmentHuman
@FormerGovernmentHuman 4 года назад
Anakin lost his hand, his mother, his old life, lost faith in the jedi, lost faith in his mentors, lost faith in the republic. Lost his son, his daughter , his apprentice, all of his friends, half of the 501st. Then he lost his legs and other arm to his father figure and mentor and was left to burn alive. Anakin is nothing but a walking tragedy, his power and skill makes him an outsider. His compassion his greatest weakness. A mary sue? No, I think not.
@zack0207
@zack0207 4 года назад
Obi wan was his brother figure
@Andy-hi9do
@Andy-hi9do 4 года назад
@@zack0207 hes both. growing up he was his father figure. There's literal dialogue of him saying this in the attack of the clones while they were chasing the bounty hunter. I dont remember the exact lines but goes like A: "your the closest thing I have to a father" O: "then why don't you listen to me"
@corruptangel6793
@corruptangel6793 4 года назад
@@zack0207 Obi-Wan saw Anakin as a brother. To Anakin however, Obi-Wan was a father. The whole thing is basically two brothers, one an adult and one a child, who lose their father and become orphans. Thus, the older brother steps up and takes their father's place, raising his little brother as best he can.
@chadpowell1832
@chadpowell1832 4 года назад
@@corruptangel6793 Like that pixar movie ? the one with the blue people...... Onward right ?
@doodoo5594
@doodoo5594 2 года назад
the fact that people actually hold this take is genuinely hilarious considering we see Anakin lose fights multiple times and is very clearly and obviously flawed to the point that he literally becomes a villain
@adriannaranjo4397
@adriannaranjo4397 4 года назад
Anakin in his third movie: *burning alive with no arms or legs yelling at his own mentor and closest thing he had left to family* Rey in her third movie: _Defeats literally all the Sith/Palpatine in one lightning beam struggle & takes the Skywalker name because there are no Skywalkers left to stop her_
@emberpowertcg7692
@emberpowertcg7692 4 года назад
the truth...HURTS
@MrFaorry
@MrFaorry 4 года назад
"struggle" On a side note did you notice how in ROTS both Anakin and Mace are shielding their eyes from Palpatines lightning yet in ROS rey looks directly into it, do you reckon that's rey being more of a mary sue or just the writers forgetting the lightning is supposed to be bright?
@ibrahimbinimran4320
@ibrahimbinimran4320 4 года назад
Mr Faorry very minor detail and I don’t think it’s rey being powerful more the writers making a mistake
@maestrofeli4259
@maestrofeli4259 4 года назад
@@MrFaorry that's just the writters who didn't realize they were making an important movie, and thought they were making some fanfic in wattpad.
@aicha454
@aicha454 4 года назад
She barely even KNEW any of the Skywalkers. They just did that because "fan service uwu!"
@biggrundo6667
@biggrundo6667 4 года назад
Calling Anakin a Mary Sue, is a lot like calling Palpatine a misunderstood Hero, it's total horseshit.
@JustWalkingMan
@JustWalkingMan 3 года назад
Wonders if anyone knows that 'Gary Stu' is the male equivalent of a 'Mary Sue'.... Of course Anakin isn't a Mary Sue... Because Mary Sue's are women...
@rehanashrif8167
@rehanashrif8167 3 года назад
@kobeftw2400 oh really? Then explain how a nine year old who had never flown a ship managed to destroy a capital ship alone?
@inspectorpena
@inspectorpena 3 года назад
who the hell calls palpatine a misunderstood hero? he's the most evil character in fiction
@SardonicJosh
@SardonicJosh 3 года назад
@@rehanashrif8167 also he's a son of the force ITSELF, Palpatine achieved all that power through training.
@dimsthedimwit600
@dimsthedimwit600 3 года назад
@@SardonicJosh Yet he still took years of training. And he had flaws. Like mental weaknesses. Or not much forsight. Also *hm*, his hand got chopped off, so he wasn't OP from the start.
@doctormalcolm
@doctormalcolm 4 года назад
“You just hate strong women” Damn, seems like everyone forgot about ahsoka, a woman who’s better than Rey smh
@T0WhiteForYou
@T0WhiteForYou 4 года назад
Sexism is way worse these days than it has been since they had no rights forever ago
@hookyhook6006
@hookyhook6006 4 года назад
@@T0WhiteForYou What are you trying to get at?
@hookyhook6006
@hookyhook6006 4 года назад
Ashoka had a sense of humor, flaws (ie being insubordinate, prone to error, ect), and most importantly: GREAT WRITING!!! It’s the reason why Clone Wars Anikain is such a chad in comparison to the movies.
@exotoxicekat4915
@exotoxicekat4915 4 года назад
People did hate ahsoka when she first came out though, she only became popular later on
@hookyhook6006
@hookyhook6006 4 года назад
@@exotoxicekat4915 She became popular nonetheless.
@A76noname
@A76noname Год назад
Another thing about the "we don't grant you the rank of a Master" scene is that it's not only about Anakin's arrogance, but his desperation to save Padme. He thought that he could find relevant information in the Jedi archives that was only accessible to a Master, so that scene must've felt like almost getting a chance to save his lover until it was once again arbitrarily, in his mind, taken from him. This would obviously push him even more towards Palpatine who was claiming he could help Anakin with this matter.
@fbitoastypineapples3615
@fbitoastypineapples3615 4 года назад
he literally failed the one thing he wanted to do. save his wife.
@peterconway6584
@peterconway6584 4 года назад
And his mother.
@ghuttsmckenzie4269
@ghuttsmckenzie4269 4 года назад
And lost his legs and padawan, and never even got the title of Jedi master, yeah I'm guessing he wasn't very well liked by Jedi in general.
@cocodojo
@cocodojo 4 года назад
And failed to bring light to the Force, instead of plunging it into the dark.
@cocodojo
@cocodojo 4 года назад
And got shorter instead of becoming taller, how's he supposed to stand up and get noticed when he's gone from like 6' to 3'?
@swahiliranger1022
@swahiliranger1022 4 года назад
@@cocodojo No it was just a misconstrued prophecy (that no one ever talked about until Anakin came into the picture). Its more like- "He will bring balance to the force, but you don't wanna go down that road." But then he did. c'est la vie
@zzickos
@zzickos 4 года назад
I can't comprehend how can someone say that Anakin is a Mary Sue. I mean, I saw it bunch of times from people who defend sequels, but Jesus. He has failed on every step of his journey, helped tyrant rise to power, indirectly killed love of his life, made his children suffer because of his actions. It's almost like he is opposite of Mary Sue.
@chasm671
@chasm671 4 года назад
Exactly. He's a "born Mary Sue" who actually encounters reality, which systematically demolishes his hopes and dreams precisely because he chooses to attack it with a misguided sense of entitlement born of his prodigal abilities. A real Mary Sue does this without encountering any push-back against their arrogance, and this is where the crucial difference lies. If the entire universe lays down and surrenders all logic and independence of its other characters to serve the infallibility of its main character, then it is a cheap, trashy failure of a story - which is the hallmark of a "Mary Sue" fanfiction.
@Smerpyderp
@Smerpyderp 4 года назад
It’s like he was supposed to be a Mary Sue, but he goes the direction of “utopia gone dystopia.”
@Hamza2_7272
@Hamza2_7272 4 года назад
@@chasm671 not even born a mary sue he was a slave and literally beaten by watto also love how the 3 sequels dont dare go into anything as dark as the older movies (like child slavery actually decent relationships or any amputation) because they want to make it for kids lmfao
@dakp3712
@dakp3712 3 года назад
If they are going to call someone a mary sue they stalk about luke. Though he is not as bad as rey he has a lot of mary sue qualities.
@ischeele7203
@ischeele7203 3 года назад
Anakin is just Arthas Menethil without a solid story to help him shine.
@JosephAland
@JosephAland 4 года назад
I just realized...Rey being the emperor's granddaughter technically makes her a Disney princess (groan).
@thepsychicspoon5984
@thepsychicspoon5984 4 года назад
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@WessexBladesHandMadeKnives
@WessexBladesHandMadeKnives 4 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Sx4mfB9kr08.html
@jamiebowler4693
@jamiebowler4693 4 года назад
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@Icarus963
@Icarus963 4 года назад
Well if thats the case isnt leia and padme also princess? Or one is a queen also?
@princessapplestrach6327
@princessapplestrach6327 4 года назад
@@Icarus963 yeah but not Disney ones
@dungusglumbus9946
@dungusglumbus9946 2 года назад
I think the issue is that Rey never really failed at anything. It’s always nice to see your protagonist fail at something because it makes the plot more interesting. Anakin loses all his friends, all his limbs, and he literally falls to the dark side. He’s failed on just about every level. Luke also fails in the Empire Strikes Back. Luke is like Anakin. He’s very hot headed and he runs face first into danger too often. And so when he goes BY HIMSELF to face Vader, he gets his arm cut off and thrown down a garbage chute. He also almost dies in Return of the Jedi. If Darth Vader wouldn’t have saved Luke, he would’ve been killed by the Emperor. I can’t tell you a single moment off the top of my head where Rey gets defeated, or is tempted to join the dark side. That’s what makes her a boring character, not cause she’s good at a lot of stuff
@jacksonconley5117
@jacksonconley5117 Год назад
Failing also makes the characters more relatable. We see their struggles, we relate to them, and we get to see how they learn from their mistakes and climb out of it and leaves an audience inspired. This is what Disney failed to do with Rey. She had no struggle so she had no relatability.
@przybyla420
@przybyla420 Год назад
To be fair, Rey does fail miserably at being likable.
@JJnEverything
@JJnEverything Год назад
Rey fails at being a compelling character
@gomiwomi
@gomiwomi 10 месяцев назад
Yeah, she beat Snoke 's ass without getting tossed around like a ragdoll, and Ren without Leia's help and she also beat Luke in a stick fight without having to cheat with a lightsaber. She wasn't killed by Palpatine. She got things so easy. Sure.
@dirus3142
@dirus3142 4 года назад
If Anakin was a Mary Sue, he would have been portrayed as the good guy even after committing all of these horrible acts.
@SolarDragon007
@SolarDragon007 4 года назад
We are expected to sympathize with Anakin and see him as the good man described by Ben Kenobi even after he butchers women and children. I definitely wouldn't say Anakin is a Gary Stu, but he's still terribly written in many ways.
@reanterhog5701
@reanterhog5701 4 года назад
@@SolarDragon007 good point. Tho i like to think obi wan was just avoiding the truth and lying to luke to motivate him to get vader since he couldn't do it himself.
@dylang1138
@dylang1138 4 года назад
@@SolarDragon007 No, we're expected to see his fall _from_ that good man Obi-Wan spoke so highly of to something much more corrupt.
@SolarDragon007
@SolarDragon007 4 года назад
@@dylang1138 I never really saw him as a good man in the Prequels. He was arrogant and constantly butted heads with Obi-Wan in AOTC and then murdered women/children. By the time we finally get a more heroic Anakin at the beginning of ROTS, I don't care about him anymore because he's already crossed the moral event horizon.
@dylang1138
@dylang1138 4 года назад
@@SolarDragon007 That's true, actually. Guess the intended story worked a bit better in theory. The Clone Wars does make a bit more sense out of it though.
@voicingdragoon7
@voicingdragoon7 3 года назад
Don't forget the fact that Anakin had 10 years of training inbetween the first and second movie, and then three years of constant warfare inbetween the second and third. Meanwhile Rey was a master after 1 day of doing nothing
@Anthyrion
@Anthyrion 3 года назад
Not to mention: He had a Padawan and learned, that she was HIS responsibility. She was like a little sister to him and she adapted many feats of him and even some flaws (sometimes impatient, not thinking everything to the end). And when it came to Ashoka, he never let anyone do harm to her. I still can remember two incidents, where everyone said, that he should let her go and it is hopeless, to find her. But he didn't gave up, because he loved her (as friend, little sister and padawan)
@voicingdragoon7
@voicingdragoon7 3 года назад
@@Anthyrion I didn't mention Ahsoka for the sake of keeping It just with the movies, as bringing in third part material would force me to Include stupid programmable lightsaber and force skills from Kylo when talking about Rey, which I refuse to do
@BenMaguireLONEWOLF9989
@BenMaguireLONEWOLF9989 3 года назад
@@voicingdragoon7 Yeah, the idea of downloading knowledge from others kind of pokes a massive hole in things. If you can download ability, what's the point in training?
@voicingdragoon7
@voicingdragoon7 3 года назад
@@BenMaguireLONEWOLF9989 What's the point of a temple?
@MrJeffcoley1
@MrJeffcoley1 3 года назад
That’s where the Kathleen Kennedy films miss the mark. The Force is supposed to be extremely difficult to master even for those strong with it. It’s not Harry Potter magic, but that’s how Rey fans explain her instant mastery of skills she never knew existed: “She’s a prodigy.”
@anakinskywalker549
@anakinskywalker549 4 года назад
I used to think that my life was a tragedy, but now I realize, it’s a MEME
@jakubrejak1114
@jakubrejak1114 4 года назад
A meme to be sure, but a DANK one.
@stolasgoetia93
@stolasgoetia93 4 года назад
You would get along with a man named Arthur Fleck.
@Luke-xi2pq
@Luke-xi2pq 4 года назад
The best of memes though.
@unersame8253
@unersame8253 4 года назад
Your meme is cringe, young Cringewalker
@dix0n778
@dix0n778 4 года назад
I HATE YOU!!!
@originalstickers
@originalstickers Год назад
This got me thinking, what would it take for Anakin to be Mary Sue? * Anakin is established to NOT be a podracing pilot. He is taught the controls to the podracer immediately prior to the race, as Obi-Wan can't race due to an injury right before the race. He wins the race, handily. * Anakin does NOT crash land inside the droid command ship and accidentally torpedo the main reactor. He attacks from a perfect location that no other Naboo pilots thought to use. * When he has his nightmare of Shmi in pain, he immediately leaves in the middle of the night. He uses his force sensitivity to land his ship right outside the Tusken village, walks up and demands they give him back his mother. He admonishes them for their bad behavior and forces them to take on a better merchant lifestyle. Shmi is brought back to Naboo where Padme helps her get the medical attention she needs. Anakin goes Geonosis, saves Obi-Wan, blows up the droid factory, and captures Dooku. Padme falls deeply in love with him for everything he has done, and says she wants to marry him, even if it is a secret. * When Padme reveals she is pregnant, Anakin does NOT keep it a secret. He tells the council and says that he has no choice but to leave the order, for the sake of his wife and child. They immediately grant him rank of master and tell him he is on the council, and that the order must change to accommodate him. * His nightmares about Padme's death are different. He realizes, with the help of his mother, that the visions are false and implanted. He discusses this plot to infect his mind with the council, who all stand in awe as he reveals that it is Palpatine. Palpatine is arrested, but in the process kills many Jedi, Anakin bests him easily and takes him in to custody. The Republic does not become a galactic empire, Luke and Leia are raised by two loving parents. The end. (I am probably missing many things, but this is a general overview)
@alexmuenster2102
@alexmuenster2102 4 месяца назад
Very good! But you should play up the "every good person he meets is inexplicably attentive and respectful of and attracted to him"-angle more. This includes the "every evil character he meets secretly / reluctantly admires him"-aspect. This could even extend to Palps having second thoughts about establishing a Galactic Empire / destroying the Jedi Order because Anikin is "just so likeable."
@PrestonGarvey-
@PrestonGarvey- 4 года назад
Windu: "Palpatine's lightning is too strong!" Anakin: "Just get a second lightsaber." Windu: "Lmao thanks Anakin."
@-niyi
@-niyi 4 года назад
Palpatine: *confused screaming*
@wiselychosenname2867
@wiselychosenname2867 4 года назад
Order 66:aight imma head out
@ladistar
@ladistar 4 года назад
hahahahahahahaha damn savage lmao
@Avatariuz
@Avatariuz 4 года назад
Anakin: Here! Use mine too. Get him tiger!
@tinygreenguy968
@tinygreenguy968 4 года назад
And Palps looked a lot stronger in Episode 9
@natecote1058
@natecote1058 3 года назад
In Summar: Anakin has serious character flaws and Rey has serious writing flaws. :D
@madkoala2130
@madkoala2130 3 года назад
We can add Anakin to writing flaws if you dont count Clone wars series.
@therealmrmago9077
@therealmrmago9077 3 года назад
@@madkoala2130 yeah clone wars saved him from being a Mary sue in a classic sense but i still would say he is supposed to be in the story as a critic of the chosen one trope
@stormbringer2840
@stormbringer2840 3 года назад
@@therealmrmago9077 Are you serious ? There is literally no definition of mary sue that Anakin can fit in . With or without the clone wars .
@Perrier_enjoyer
@Perrier_enjoyer 3 года назад
@@stormbringer2840 facts
@theendersmirk5851
@theendersmirk5851 3 года назад
@@therealmrmago9077 I'd almost say he's a perfect definition of an anti-Mary Sue in the prequels, with the exclusion of the one time he blew up the droid command ship. His every choice outside of that doomed himself and the Jedi, either in the short, or long term. Heck, I'd argue lore wise he should be a Mary Sue, given his position as the Chosen One, but he manages to be the exact opposite, which is hilarious when you consider that they gave Rey what amounts to a "You are the chosen one who can do everything you want" treatment, but they were unwilling to follow through. I didn't much like Last Jedi personally, but had they ran with the idea that Rey was essentially the new Chosen One, specifically born to stop the new wave of Dark Side users, I'd be cool with that. But instead, they made her what amounts to Palpatine's Niece (no one can make me think of her as his grandchild because unlike Boba Fett, you can't convince me Palpatine tried to raise his failed clone).
@silver2therescue1
@silver2therescue1 3 года назад
"Anakin Skywalker is a Mary Sue!" Yeah, the guy who gives in to all his worst instincts and becomes one of the most famous and ruthless villains of all time is a Mary Sue. Sure.
@devzy793
@devzy793 2 года назад
Infamous*
@brok56
@brok56 2 года назад
He became a meme for ending People of certain ages in The jedi Temple. A flawless character. (avoiding youtube ban Hammer)
@insensitive919
@insensitive919 2 года назад
Mary Sues are liked by everyone around them for no reason. Darth Vader is liked by everyone around him because they like being alive. Basically the same thing, right?
@yamerrune
@yamerrune 2 года назад
Silver pfp, opinion tolerated
@JamesJ.JeffriesX
@JamesJ.JeffriesX 2 года назад
But anakin skywalker is flawed.
@khfan4life365
@khfan4life365 2 года назад
Anakin isn’t a flawless person, obviously, but I’m gonna list the negative traits I’ve noticed. He’s possessive, arrogant, hot-headed, impulsive, and too trusting towards people who are obviously manipulating him. All these negative traits usually end up with him paying for it. In Phantom Menace, we don’t really see his flaws because he’s still a little kid and the movie mainly focused on Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. However, in the second and third movies, we see his flaws as plainly as a neon sign. He paid for his arrogance and hot-headedness by losing his hand in the second movie. Then, we see him pay for becoming evil by being burned in Mustafar and left to die. The sycophants clearly never watched the movies before. If they did, they would know Anakin’s story.
@seth8933
@seth8933 3 года назад
There are two things that never get old: 1. Anakin Jedi temple jokes 2. Younglings
@thecircleoft.e.d2121
@thecircleoft.e.d2121 3 года назад
The latter being, because Anakin killed them all.
@Lightaxethewanderer
@Lightaxethewanderer 3 года назад
You forgot sand.
@dimsthedimwit600
@dimsthedimwit600 3 года назад
I actually understood that Ani treated everyome equally. He killed everyone, even kids and women, in same brutality
@ab5olut3zero95
@ab5olut3zero95 3 года назад
@@thecircleoft.e.d2121 that’s the joke Drax....
@ab5olut3zero95
@ab5olut3zero95 3 года назад
I snorted at that... well played
@enterprise-h312
@enterprise-h312 4 года назад
Imagine being so desperate to defend the sequels that you would call Anakin Skywalker a Mary Sue/Gary Stu.
@gamingislife8262
@gamingislife8262 4 года назад
Lol right. People don't have good arguments to defend the sequels other than calling everyone a "hater" or saying something dumb. I don't hate the sequels like most people do but they are still pretty bad.
@Geekezf
@Geekezf 4 года назад
I don't know how a guy who mass murder kids and other tribal creatures can be a character whitout flaws
@evilTaker90V2
@evilTaker90V2 4 года назад
Anakin burning alive in a pit of lava after losing all of his limbs, I mean what a Gary Stu that guy is, right.
@NPC-nn4qe
@NPC-nn4qe 4 года назад
lol
@endless_limes
@endless_limes 4 года назад
@@Geekezf that's pretty subjective tho 🤷‍♂️ I mean he did those deeds flawlessly right? So yeah Anakin is a big baby Mary sue Gary flu bru
@toby1061
@toby1061 4 года назад
But Anakin is literally an actual Jedi trained by a master and taught for over 10 years. How is that being a Mary Sue.
@liberatetutemeexinferis5902
@liberatetutemeexinferis5902 3 года назад
Rey found out about the god cheat code.
@GeneralG1810
@GeneralG1810 3 года назад
Because when you're a man hating feminist it doesn't have to make sense, he's a straight white male so he's privileged
@davidthewaffle7673
@davidthewaffle7673 3 года назад
@@GeneralG1810 please be trolling
@GeneralG1810
@GeneralG1810 3 года назад
@@davidthewaffle7673 Please don't be a male feminist simp
@khfan4life365
@khfan4life365 3 года назад
Also, Anakin had to be trained even though he was conceived by the force. He’s no Mary Sue.
@FirestoneAnimation
@FirestoneAnimation Год назад
Anakin: - lost all four limbs - lost a duel to a sith lord and his former master -put into a suit that is constantly torturing him to keep him angry and quite powerful -grew up a slave -actually trained to become powerful -lost his mother. Rey No-Skywalking Palpatine: -Was just bored.
@Briansgate
@Briansgate 2 года назад
Think of this for a minute. According to what Anakin said in the prequels, from the time he was 3 years old, he spent his entire life calling someone 'Master.' Whether it was Watto, Obi-Wan, or the Emperor. And Vader died at the age of 46 (if memory serves). Imagine from 3-46 you had to literally call someone 'Master.' Literally until the day you died. I don't think any Mary Sue ever had to endure that.
@leonrobinson8180
@leonrobinson8180 2 года назад
You just blew my mind. Only at the end, was Anakin truly free.
@more-reasons6655
@more-reasons6655 2 года назад
You can add another name to that list. Anakin and Shme were sold/lost to Watto from Jabba the Hutt So even though Luke spent more time on Tattooine, He's the only Skywalker to not be a slave to the Hutts
@akumaten
@akumaten 2 года назад
That's beautiful.
@akumaten
@akumaten 2 года назад
@@more-reasons6655 and in a bit of irony, in rescuing Han, Luke and Leia killed Jabba.
@McCaroni_Sup
@McCaroni_Sup 2 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9minv0O8rlI.html BORN INTO A PACK
@tylermcnamara8794
@tylermcnamara8794 4 года назад
The "y'all ain't ready to have that conversation" statement is, quite possibly, the perfect way to signal to everyone that you are a pretentious person.
@enki6676
@enki6676 4 года назад
I think a lot of problems in the world wouldn't exist in the first place if those twits' parents had taken the time to have a long and serious conversation with their spoiled brat of a child including some vigorous spanking.
@RootofYishay
@RootofYishay 4 года назад
And a paid troll ordered to provoke 🖕I guess it worked?!
@slidetek
@slidetek 4 года назад
@@RootofYishay I don't think they expected an answer.
@mnirwin5112
@mnirwin5112 4 года назад
"I know THE TRUTH but obviously the rest of you peons aren't prepared to hear it." Basically, that's it. I didn't like the prequels and still don't, but Anakin was definitely not a Mary Sue.
@pwnmeisterage
@pwnmeisterage 4 года назад
It's an insulting and dismissive statement, getting the last word in, declaring the "conversation" is over. It's also immature and cowardly. A valid argument is unassailable and shouldn't be worried about counterarguments - indeed, it should invite "more conversation" so that challengers have opportunity to say things which make their opposing arguments weak and/or which make them appear stupid.
@SpencerBarton
@SpencerBarton 3 года назад
Please send this video to the person who left that Twitter comment.
@52sees
@52sees 3 года назад
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@F1rstWorldNomaD
@F1rstWorldNomaD 3 года назад
I was going to but decided to read the comments to see if someone else already did. Wouldn't wanna dogpile them as it would most likely just end with them ignoring the message.
@memetu1606
@memetu1606 3 года назад
@@F1rstWorldNomaD No need to worry about that, they will ignore the message regardless and go back to their circlejerk bubbles after blocking you.
@outgoingblur
@outgoingblur 3 года назад
@@memetu1606 you tried?
@memetu1606
@memetu1606 3 года назад
​@@outgoingblur I have tried before and came to the conclusion that there is no point in arguing about anything on Twitter or Reddit. No one ever argues in good faith, it's either a snarky remark completely ignoring the point or a block/downvote or some ad hominem meme picture that basically says you are unattractive, at least in my imagination so your argument is invalid.
@particularbored6072
@particularbored6072 2 года назад
This actually made me appreciate Anakin a lot more than I ever had. I was never a fan of the prequels but, wow, I hadn't really given enough thought to his arc. And the more reviews I watch, the more it's cemented that quitting an hour into this first sequel Disney put out was the absolute right choice.
@Diego_Schnake
@Diego_Schnake 4 года назад
Remember when Qui Gon said: "Anakin, training to become a Jedi is not an easy challenge. And even if you succeed, it's a hard life.". Well not anymore, thanks to Disney
@drlee2
@drlee2 3 года назад
When did the prequels show that Jedi training is a hard life? All of that was shown in ESB.
@kailashs4521
@kailashs4521 3 года назад
@@drlee2 that's because the prequels didn't show jedi training at all..but in attack of the clones anakin has already undergone 10 years of training...and still gets his ass "hand"ed to him by count dooku
@dimsthedimwit600
@dimsthedimwit600 3 года назад
@@kailashs4521 The hand joke is like the... Other hand jokes. Nice one.
@tjsundae
@tjsundae 3 года назад
@@drlee2 Difficulty of training was shown in Clone Wars mostly through Ahsoka, but the difficulty of life as a Jedi overall is shown through Anakin’s struggle of balancing his personal, emotional desires with Jedi expectations
@timlewis_fm266
@timlewis_fm266 3 года назад
Anakin was trained over three films. Rey could do everything within one hour of her first movie.
@KRYMauL
@KRYMauL 3 года назад
Not to mention those three films took place over the span of 13 years, the sequels took place over a few months.
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 3 года назад
@@KRYMauL And only months because there was a little bit of a time difference between 8 & 9 beyond the like like maybe a week the other 2 movies took place on. Even then, 2 out of 3 of the sequel movies took place over the course of a day or 2 each. The timeline of events in the sequels is really wonky...
@sttate
@sttate 3 года назад
@@KRYMauL Also Anakin is force Jesus, he was immaculately conceived by the force. He is the strongest with the force a person can possibly be.
@KRYMauL
@KRYMauL 3 года назад
@@sttate What's your point?
@sttate
@sttate 3 года назад
@@KRYMauL The point being he is literally the most gifted person in the universe and is still drastically more flawed than Rey.
@FreakazoidRobots
@FreakazoidRobots 4 года назад
The flaws in the Prequel Trilogy were more about execution than concept.
@xJTKx
@xJTKx 4 года назад
Perfect comment
@pwnmeisterage
@pwnmeisterage 4 года назад
I don't recall seeing Jar-Jar's execution. Head on a spike, floppy-eared noose, crushed, burned, shot, drowned, impaled, lightsaber sushi, whatever. And that seems like a flaw to me.
@leonrobinson8180
@leonrobinson8180 4 года назад
@@pwnmeisterage Jar Jar was intended to be comic relief, but he was too over the top. Lucas wisely muted his wackiness and appearances. You know? Accepting fan criticism without calling us -phobes and -ists.
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 4 года назад
Oh yeah. There were some great ideas in there, but they were hampered by George Lucas not being good at writing dialogue and his tendency to get bogged down at points. If someone competent had come in to help clean things up, those movies could've been masterpieces
@stormblade3408
@stormblade3408 4 года назад
I don't think The Phantom Menace plot was a good idea, you had a never before seen Republic and powerful Jedi Order but the movie was wasted on Naboo and Gungans. The other 2 were flawed in execution rather than concept, definitely agree
@colinmackenzie6277
@colinmackenzie6277 Год назад
A Brilliant character dissection!!! 👏👏👏 I think in prequels, George Lucas's ideas outstripped the execution...I can see what he was trying to do with Jar Jar, but FML!!! At face value, Jar Jar is annoying, but he could've been the biggest k**t in the galaxy!!! I love how Lucas sets up a character flaw, and through the Arc tears it open wider an wider until catastrophe!!!
@SheathEntertainment
@SheathEntertainment 4 года назад
Anakin had four limbs severed and fourth degree burns all over. Luke had his whole hand cut off. Rey had issues figuring out who she is. *I think we know who the Mary Sue is*
@anantkambadkone8958
@anantkambadkone8958 3 года назад
Yup, its definitely Anakin.
@grayski3324
@grayski3324 3 года назад
@@anantkambadkone8958 Good thing the Sequel Trilogy is now an alternate timeline. So it's non-canon.
@inchantor1536
@inchantor1536 3 года назад
@@grayski3324 when and where was this confirmed, this is actually exciting news
@grayski3324
@grayski3324 3 года назад
@@inchantor1536 It's a popular rumor that has a good chance at being true. For a better explanation check out a channel named: Doomcock.
@shivanshlolayekar9668
@shivanshlolayekar9668 3 года назад
​@@inchantor1536 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bts5UVY8rSA.html check this video out... it was released a month ago, and it explains the rumors
@feco91
@feco91 4 года назад
Even Anakin's hair is better than Rey's.
@binbasesatoktayyldran5236
@binbasesatoktayyldran5236 4 года назад
Your damn right!
@VitrixYT101
@VitrixYT101 4 года назад
Lol fax
@markiss69
@markiss69 4 года назад
No ones hair is better than Anakins, well maybe besides obi wan
@binbasesatoktayyldran5236
@binbasesatoktayyldran5236 4 года назад
@@markiss69 I don't think it's fair to compare Jesus with Anakin.
@joesmith4045
@joesmith4045 4 года назад
That kinda sus bro but true 😎
@Ace_TheAlchemist
@Ace_TheAlchemist 4 года назад
If anyone actually thinks Anakin Skywalker is a “Gary Stu” then you might want to rewatch the entire Prequel trilogy.
@eddiebruv
@eddiebruv 4 года назад
Errr...no thanks. 😂
@Darkness1984
@Darkness1984 4 года назад
Only if you want to hurt yourself.
@mister_redgrave
@mister_redgrave 4 года назад
Or hell watch Clone Wars
@Mortgom
@Mortgom 4 года назад
I'll pass.
@buek14
@buek14 4 года назад
And to see a doctor.
@lemurtheory9350
@lemurtheory9350 2 года назад
anyone that says "you aren't ready to have that conversation." is really saying "Im ready to ignore any logical evidence you try to introduce in to the conversation."
@otavio8566
@otavio8566 4 года назад
Anakin has had more training than Rey, and still lost all of his limbs plus some fuck ups on the side
@caprice28
@caprice28 4 года назад
@Offworlder1 its pretty much like when your buddy loads your old save of Knights Of The Old Republic and plays the final stage.
@tqlla
@tqlla 4 года назад
@@caprice28 Isnt that how Reys powers are explained. Kylo trains, and Rey benefits.
@usernamealreadytaken9330
@usernamealreadytaken9330 4 года назад
@@tqlla Ah yes the power of bad writing
@gabutman6144
@gabutman6144 4 года назад
@@usernamealreadytaken9330 more like the power of "I'm a strong independent wahmen"
@caprice28
@caprice28 4 года назад
@@tqlla ha.
@Zaulmus
@Zaulmus 4 года назад
The man literally got his ass handed to him TWICE in the prequels, the first time costing him his hand, the other literally leaving him a crippled, disabled man that had to become a cyborg to survive. You didn't see Rey taking baths in lava or getting a hand severed, did you?
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 4 года назад
Finn took more damage in 1 fight scene than Rey did the entire trilogy
@347Jimmy
@347Jimmy 4 года назад
Rey probably bathes in lava daily and is unaffected by it, based on her power levels
@jasv49
@jasv49 4 года назад
Lol he got his ass handed to him twice in one fight (vs Dooku in AotC)
@mgthestrange9098
@mgthestrange9098 4 года назад
That’s because you aren’t allowed to have violence against wammen because equality. 😄
@SleightlyPersonal
@SleightlyPersonal 4 года назад
Lava baths. Not even once.
@babyjiren9676
@babyjiren9676 4 года назад
In Episode I, arguably. He’s introduced as the legendary chosen one, wins races against people who by all accounts should be better than him, and takes out that droidship all alone. However, even here his successes are tempered by the fact that he still doesn’t get everything his way. His mother isn’t freed and the Jedi don’t particularly like or trust him. As for the rest of the films, only a literal idiot would think he’s a mary sue. Literally everything that can go wrong for him goes wrong. He lost duels, lost limbs, lost his mother, lost his wife, got burnt to a crisp and put in eternal life support, thought his kids were dead, discovered they were alive and hated his guts, then finally died - after 20 years of a hellish life, somewhat redeemed. Anakin isn’t a mary sue. He’s the most tragic character in fiction of all time.
@xXLgtscopsXx
@xXLgtscopsXx 4 года назад
At least him fighting a star fighter makes slightly more sense than flying the falcon. At least the kid had some pod racing experience
@timonsolus
@timonsolus 4 года назад
Anakin’s best claim to Mary Sue-ness is having more midiclorians than Yoda. Not that the midiclorians were the best idea George ever had... but they do explain the Force in a sci-fi way rather than in a religious way, which is an improvement of sorts.
@JP-hk6xw
@JP-hk6xw 4 года назад
Also about the podrace, Anakin admitted to Padme before the race that he had never FINISHED a race before, nevermind winning one. So even then it's not really like Rey to where the first time she pilots the Falcon she masters flying it.
@TankHunter678
@TankHunter678 4 года назад
@@timonsolus Midichlorians were basically meant to be conduits for the Force. Having more of them simply meant a better sensitivity to the Force. The Whills were intended to be custodians of the Force who can control the Force on a large scale through the midichlorians, effectively operating as the "will" of the Force and are part of the hidden Gods of the Star Wars universe. The whole Chosen One thing coming about because of a threat to the Force. Which was basically Palpatine and Plaugeis trying to take control of the Force themselves, through the midichlorians, to use it for their own purposes which would throw life itself out of balance. Conceptually even in a Lucas Sequel Trilogy Palpatine could have returned... as a Dark Side Force Wraith, sustained solely on hatred and the fear of him by the galactic community. Though Lucas would have had Force Ghost Anakin be brought into a position to truly destroy Force Wraith Palpatine and complete the Chosen One prophecy by eliminating the closest thing to a Sith ascending to become sort of like an Evil God.
@Lordoftheswollen
@Lordoftheswollen 4 года назад
Well he didn't pound his mom and kill his dad like Oedipus Rex.
@a_8850
@a_8850 2 года назад
Drinker, for some reason, the analysis offered in this video has stuck in my mind over time and I've found myself reflecting on some of the points you made. I find that description helps people conceive of and see things that they could not before. Your very apt descriptions gave me new appreciation for the Anakin character and story arc. Just got through watching the video for a second (or third) time. If RU-vid had a "Second Like" button, I'da smashed it.
@ElselchoGaming
@ElselchoGaming 4 года назад
When Anakin fights Dooku with years of training : fails and loses a limb When Rey fights Kylo with no training whatsoever: wins literally every time
@jimjohnson394
@jimjohnson394 4 года назад
That first sabre battle lost the new trilogy for me. Totally lost all possible suspense for the whole series.
@ElselchoGaming
@ElselchoGaming 4 года назад
@Brooks Wimberly okay, how about all the other times she never failed?
@st4ne4rmthevill63
@st4ne4rmthevill63 4 года назад
Im not defending Rey at all but Kylo won their fight in Rise of Skywalker. Kylo's own mama helped Rey "win" such a stupid fucking movie. Why tf wouldn't all the Jedi help....idk the descendant of the two families that were crucial in defeating the Empire? Skywalker & Solo's?
@jackdaone6469
@jackdaone6469 4 года назад
FaZe Papasito Except Rey handles herself well in that fight and winds up saving Kylo at the end.
@ElselchoGaming
@ElselchoGaming 4 года назад
@@fazepapasito8166 She saved kylo a bunch of times and she took on multiple guards at once too
@sulacomarine
@sulacomarine 4 года назад
Seriously? Anakin was the "Chosen One", but he still had to train for years to become a skilled Jedi Knight. He didn't have his powers right off the bat, unlike "Tha Bestest Evar Amazing Wonder Rey". She was powerful from the get-go because reasons. And according to Disney, don't question it, just consume product. **Jazz Hands**
@Hamzat22
@Hamzat22 4 года назад
We all know what happend. Modern gender politics came like a tank and rolled over all logic. Rey had to be perfect because she was a woman, period. Women do not make mistakes or have weakneses so that purple haird snuggly puff can watch and smile as she is of the same flawless gender.
@andreasosterberg8833
@andreasosterberg8833 4 года назад
Is Anakin a Mary Sue? Simple answer, no. The only good answer: Disney's star wars sucks and should not even compare.
@anasevi9456
@anasevi9456 4 года назад
it's not that the prequels are suddenly awesome, its that Disney and modern media has lowered the bar that much.
@latroyw4650
@latroyw4650 4 года назад
Anakin and all of starwars is Disney starwars
@bigmike9947
@bigmike9947 4 года назад
A Seb Remember when basically all of us hated the Prequels? Crazy how far we have to go to defend even those, yet here we are.
@Seomus
@Seomus 4 года назад
But the High Ground is a Mary Sue. This has been scientifically proven.
@rfloxd880
@rfloxd880 4 года назад
Disney Star Wars does not suck. They made the Mandalorian, Clone Wars Season 7, Rouge One, Star Wars Battlefront 2 +Jedi Fallen Order(technically), Galaxy’s Edge at Disneyand + Disney World, and Solo. The sequels are bad, but not Disney Star Wars as a whole
@aeaugh9171
@aeaugh9171 Год назад
I don’t really like the other prequels but revenge of the sith always gets me going on some existential crisis. Because of basically growing up on watching the clone wars series, I was very familiar with anakin and his story. To watch him fall apart gets me on a spiritual level. I would say anakin is one of if not the best written characters in any movie IMO. He is a fallen angel.
@metamage1685
@metamage1685 4 года назад
"Have you ever heard of the Tragedy of Darth Kathleen?" "No." "I thought not. Not a story Disney would tell you. It was said that Darth Kathleen was so powerful she could use the Force to manipulate the weak-willed SJWs into believing that she was creating a new life for Woe-Men. She was so strong with the Dark Side that she could even keep funds going into a dead project for years after it failed." "She could actually save dying franchises???" "The Dark Side of Hollywood is pathway to abilities that some consider to be... unnatural." "What happened to her?" "She became so powerful the only thing she feared was losing that power. Which eventually, of course, she did. Unfortunately, she destroyed a beloved franchise and alienated almost the entire fanbase before her employer wizened up and terminated her. Its ironic.. she could keep funding a dead franchise but not keep the fans from hating her false morals." "Is it possible to learn this power?" "Not from anyone talented."
@metamage1685
@metamage1685 4 года назад
@Omar De Sa 1COMODIN9 Thank you, thank you. :)
@Destino2493
@Destino2493 4 года назад
I hope one day Lucasfilm makes a villain based on Kathleen Kennedy 😂
@mr.dalerobinson
@mr.dalerobinson 4 года назад
Cesar Sosa members of the trade federation were based on politicians he didn’t like, so if the rumours of Lucas coming back in a consultative role might make it possible. Considering how much their shareholders are ‘hurting’, I’d say she hasn’t got much of a future there
@mr.battle20
@mr.battle20 4 года назад
I read this in Palpatine's voice and it made it even better.
@vcdonovan5943
@vcdonovan5943 4 года назад
I had no idea. I mean, I heard the legends but I never thought they were true.... But it is true. I see it here before me on my screen with my very own eyes. You really can win the internet. You, the one they call Meta Mage, are no mere mortal. You are a God among insects.
@whitworth5s248
@whitworth5s248 4 года назад
The funny thing is that if Rey was treated like Anakin, her character would have been redeemed. They could have introduced the "heir to Palpatine" twist early and it would have fulfilled Rian's obsession with subverting expectations. All of her friends would have treated her with mistrust like a ticking timebomb. Maybe she could have started getting cocky with the ease at which she was picking up her force abilities. Maybe Luke could have said he fled to the island because he sensed something that reminded him of the emperor's power and needed isolation to prepare for their final meeting, when all of a sudden his heir showed up on his island asking for training and it scares the hell out of him. Maybe she saves Finn by sneaking up on Phasma, stabbing her through from behind and beheading her. And when Finn locks eyes with her he sees a sort of twisted joy in her eyes that goes beyond just being happy to see an old friend. Maybe rey and kylo team up to kill Snoke, but afterwards its Rey's idea to join forces and rule together, but Kylo fears her power and rejects her.He allows her safe passage from the ship, but tells her to never return. And the movie ends with Luke siding with the heroes, Kylo with the first order, and Rey as a rogue agent distrusted by both sides... maybe a force weilding bounty hunter. Expectations totally subverted without going full simp and without destroying the entire franchise.
@enki6676
@enki6676 4 года назад
That's really good actually.
@koragg4193
@koragg4193 4 года назад
Great stuff. You should try to write a book or something. I genuinely think you have some talent.
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 4 года назад
I'd have honestly gone with Rey seizes power and boots Kylo out, which would super subvert expectations and give us a very interesting story. It also could give us a reason for the throne room fight to take place, instead of just being a "there for the sake of having a fight" scene.
@YT1300MF
@YT1300MF 4 года назад
Wow, in five short paragraphs you’ve taken a massive stride toward fixing the sequels. I would definitely watch that trilogy. Edit: I would add that it might be even better to have Rey seize control of the flagship in TLJ after Kylo rejects her. She then dumps Kylo on a random planet and uses the flagship to hunt down the remnants of the first order. Then in TROS, Palpy stays dead and we kick it off with Rey having been successful in crushing the FO remnants but she’s become ruthless. Make the focus of the film Ben’s redemption and have him hook up with the Alliance to try and bring Rey back to the light.
@Redrosewitch
@Redrosewitch 4 года назад
There's so much they could have done with this material and didn't. Make you want to scream.
@aceofspadesguy4913
@aceofspadesguy4913 4 года назад
Anakin is the antithesis of a Mary Sue. Literally everything goes wrong for him even with all his training and abilities.
@curtisscism1522
@curtisscism1522 4 года назад
He was hardly given anything but lost everything.
@rossarama
@rossarama Год назад
Anakin is not a Mary Sue trope. He is a Fallen Hero trope. So different I can't believe anybody could confuse the two.
@ncr1strecon528
@ncr1strecon528 4 года назад
Oh god. That “I’m all the Jedi” bit. Ugh. It cringes me so bad every time.
@LotusKai1992
@LotusKai1992 4 года назад
Right? I still personally don't understand how a single lightsaber seems to absorb the force lightning but 2 together magically deflects force lightning? How's that supposed to work?
@elementalcobalt1
@elementalcobalt1 4 года назад
Thanos: I am Inevitable Ironman: I am Ironman Rey: I'm all the Jedi. Palpatine: I'm all the Sith Disney: I'm all your entertainment.
@JP-hk6xw
@JP-hk6xw 4 года назад
@@LotusKai1992 *The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural*
@g3nj1
@g3nj1 4 года назад
Makes you cringe*
@deceam208
@deceam208 4 года назад
@@LotusKai1992 I literally asked this exact question in a reddit thread and everyone had different answers. My favourite one was, "something something combined skywalker powers"
@terrykrugii5652
@terrykrugii5652 3 года назад
"Always wins at everything" *Fade In to Anakin's fucking arm getting chopped off*
@lttito
@lttito 3 года назад
twice
@dai-belizariusz3087
@dai-belizariusz3087 3 года назад
repeatedely
@robbieaulia6462
@robbieaulia6462 3 года назад
He lost both arms, both legs, and his hair. How does one think that that's a victory?
@crowbar_the_rogue
@crowbar_the_rogue 3 года назад
@@robbieaulia6462 You see, he knew that a technologically enhanced arm would be stronger than his normal arm, so he intentionally lost to Dooku to test his hypothesis. Once he saw it worked, he challenged Obi-Wan and once again lost intentionally so he could get all his limbs replaced. It was all part of his master plan.
@ALJ9000
@ALJ9000 2 года назад
@@crowbar_the_rogue I say this, the man’s nothing if not committed
@johnnymontalvo5620
@johnnymontalvo5620 2 года назад
Not to mention the fact that we go into the prequels KNOWING that Anakin will be Vader. That makes any Mary-Sue traits that he has (if he had any) more of a tragedy. His successes are depressing, because we know where he’s headed.
@Ensign_Cthulhu
@Ensign_Cthulhu 2 года назад
Those of us who watched Episodes 4 to 6, yes. I know Anakin's history is a cultural meme so widespread as to be unavoidable, but technically you COULD find someone who'd never seen the originals (what we call Episodes 4 to 6) and they might be surprised as to how things go. (Or not, but the post-movie conversations would be fascinating to watch.)
@sheilaburrowes9081
@sheilaburrowes9081 2 года назад
I was a kid when I first saw all of those movies so it's impossible for me to sort out my thoughts from back then -- and by the time I was older, I already knew all of the plots in advance. Was it given to us by the OT or PR for the prequels that Anakin would become Vader or was it just obvious to everyone at the time that the prequels would be about the origins of Vader and that Anakin was the only viable candidate?
@Ensign_Cthulhu
@Ensign_Cthulhu 2 года назад
@@sheilaburrowes9081 There's a promo poster that shows Jake Lloyd casting Vader's shadow on the wall. It was fairly obvious how things were going to go long before Episode 3, even if you hadn't seen the original trilogy; what wasn't known was how he was going to get there. In Return of the Jedi, Obi-Wan explicitly tells Luke that his father "ceased being Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader". If you'd already seen ROTJ, you knew what Anakin's destiny was; the unknown was the journey.
@vesha6274
@vesha6274 2 года назад
@@Ensign_Cthulhu if you watched the movies in the order that's intended, you wouldn't know that he would end up being Darth Vader until episode 3, that's at least how I figured it out
@cartertann
@cartertann 2 года назад
@@vesha6274 well in the original trilogy (ep4-6) he was called anakin at a few points so people knew going in to the prequels what his real name was/who he really was so if you watched them in the order that's intended (release order) you would've known by episode 5
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