of course i do, Jane wasnt loved because of HERSELF it was because she had a son, henry loved Anne for Anne and it obviously showed when he planned to have her burned but change it to beheading and sending for one of the best executioners to kill her which delayed her death, he obviously loved her to show her that kind of mercy, no way did he HATE her, he only needed her gone because he thought she couldnt have a son
After having pursued Anne for seven years, Henry became obsessed with the object of his desire. i don't think he was in love, nor in lust with the lady Anne, rather, she was the example of what he wanted and needed to conquer. Once he had captured the object of his want, his need, he became disappointed, therefore bored. Once bored, i believe Henry began to feel contempt for the "object" which had made him become such a salivating fool for all those seven years of pursuit. I doubt very much that henry had really loved any one of his wives. they were all objects which played the parts he needed for his one selfish upkeep. Henry wanted through all of his emotionless life "the woman" who'd get away. Only such a woman would he have respected, so as not to destroy her when he'd decide" that she had failed him. however, would such a maverick of a woman/wife have ever won his love? NO, for henry could not love. Ever! Henry was the embodiment of Narcissus. He could only love himself, and at that, malignantly.
Henry openly celebrated Anne's downfall. He hired a French swordsman and didn't burn her because she was still a crowned queen, butchering her would damage the image of the monarchy . I don't think Henry truly loved someone, beside himself. He allowed himself to screw everyone he wanted, and no one could tell him he was wrong because it was treason, and treason was death. This is not love in my opinion, Henry loves you if you give him what he wants. If you don't, he looks somewhere else as he never knew you before.
@@mari-greciaodal2436agreed. Any idea that it was a long, deep love & romance is mythical. He DID love her in his way & for a while, but like anything Henry adjured, it was short lived.
@@cindytartt4048 Henry was a narcissist-and dangerously one with absolute power. Yes, he imagined he was in love until love tested him to see if it was true. A narcissist can not love, and because of it, he can be and will be very destructive. Henry copied what he suspected love was. But it was all an act-a performance. And when the time ran out of being magical and lyrical, he felt betrayed by his own imaginings. The tragic thing was that the people who had thought Henry earnest of feelings were abandoned, obliterated, and totally made literately non-existent. And that was the significant rub, Cindy. What you've expressed, is well put. Thank You.
I agree completely, there is no way that Henry did not love Anne so much because of the way he tried to "possess" her, he wouldn't have went through the trouble of doing anything to marry her if he didnt love her
Loved this 3rd Season!Showed Henry is capable of love and honour someone like Jane.She represented all that was pure in his Life:but sadly in order for him to get the heir,he had to lose the love of his Life. But they rest in peace now,together.Like how he wanted.Later in his years.he asked to be painted a picture of him and his sons...but it wasnt the Queen Catherine at his side, it was Jane Seymour who was painted...saying it all then..
ohhh i can't wait for season 3! JRM is as always sooo sexy...and of course the same goes for Henry Cavill. James Frain is a wonderful actor, he did a good job playing Cromwell. I'll miss Natalie Dormer...she played Anne Boleyn so beautifully...also Jeremy Northam as Sir Thomas More
i agree with u. and frankly i'm surprised at the thumbs down given to u. henry had a passionate love for anne and was so obsessed with possessing her that he tore his kingdom apart. he probably loved her the most
The device 'love of your life' can really be applied wherever. That's why I said I only half agreed. I would apply it to both Anne and Jane. To Jane because of what he said and to Anne because of what he did.
I remembber hearing sommething that when henry was in the process of looking for his 4th wife, many princesses said that they didnt have enopugh heads to please henry or something of that nature. quite comical.
I'm so excited for this season but I'm gonna miss Anne/Natalie. I don't think Henry loved Jane as much as its being hyped up. I mean, she gave him the son he got rid of two wives and in the process tore his country apart, separating himself from the rest of Europe for. Also, I read she died before he could get tired of her. He got tired of Katherine and Anne.
Supposedly, Anita Briem wanted a no nudity clause in her contract for Season Three; the executive producers would not agree to it, and she was let go, being replaced by Annabelle Wallis. Coincidentally, Wallis is the niece of the late actor Richard Harris.
Concerning Anne, I think the fact that Henry hated her, which he did, and the fact that after her death he had all traces of her removed from his life, can only show that he had deep feelings for her. After all, he did tear his realm from Rome to marry her and we know that he saw both her failure to provide an heir and her adultury as a betrayal. And then of course there's the portrait outside Greenwich.
I can appreciate what you're saying. But I do think that Jane having Edward is the crux of the matter. Henry's great affections towards Jane sprung from after the birth of Edward and it was this that made him think of Jane is his 'true wife' and that's what made her precious to him.
I've never once read that he hated Anne the most, he hated Anne of Cleves the most because he said she was ugly and didn't want to marry her, i have no doubt that he loved and adored Anne Boleyn until Jane came into the picture, but i have a feeling that he loved Catherine of Aragon the most until th later years when she grew older and stopped giving him children, Anne almost gave him a son but lost it because of his accident
You have a point in that Henry treated Jane the best, possibly because she was quiet and unobtrusive, and also because of Edward. I have a hard time reconciling the real Henry VIII with love, but who knows? Maybe they'll change him this coming season. Jane and Henry do make a good looking couple.
I actually didn't cry when Jane died. I was glad. Henry VIII didn't deserve her and God just took her to leave him just what he wanted: the male heir. But not for too long.
Most of the historians agree that Henry VIII never said that Anne of Cleaves looks like a horse. It was just a rumor. Henry VIII was fascinated by free spirit women. But he could not handle them as his wife had them beheaded.
wait....season 3 is already over. didn't you see it? oh...um i don't know where you live actually, so maybe not. and I know...I think Dormer was such a gem, I really felt her absence in season 3 and found Jane's subtleties rather annoying. I think Dormer did the best portrayal of Anne Boleyn to date. can't believe she didn't win anything for it :S
That title goes to no one but Henry himself. True, he may have only honored Jane because of Edward, but is this not applicable to Anne as well? He treated Anne so cruelly I find it hard to believe it was a genuine type of love, either. Love of Henry's life was himself.
um quick question is jonathan american r british ?bcuz i just watch an interview with him and he had an american accent like to real, but then again so does christian bale, robert pattinson and ed westwick
I personally think he loved all his wives. His claim that he loved Jane and she was his true wife was because of the male heir thing. Had Edward died, like his sons by Cat/Anne, he wouldn't have been that in love with her.
Yeah....love in the sense of Henry, not the conventional sense. Actually he didn't treat Jane the best, by no means and her reconciling Mary and Henry in nonsense, Jane tried to reconcile them, but failed. He also told her that he would crown her queen of the north, but betrayed her. In retrospect she was his fav though.
No, I don't think it's fair to say Jane 'pushed'. Jane was the meek wife, when Henry rebuked her over Mary, she shut up. The rest was really in between Henry/Mary. I don't think I ever said that Henry wasn't going to crown Jane? He absolutely would have done, but she died.
Well, partially. He did have his own power agenda towards the end of his life, and he got a bit greedy, but he only did what the king told him to. He followed orders but that didn't mean he necessarily liked them (at least in the show, you can see he doesn't like it at times I dunno about the real life guy). And he's punished because Brandon, Bryan and the others wanted him gone and basically lied to the king about how Cromwell needed to be out of the way. All politics.
Anne was so imazing woman. It is not interesting watch movie without her. Henry was such a heartless and cruel person. may be he is typical representative of that time or "Hero of time".
o well no in england its only just started series 3 :) but it has been for me the worst of the series's so far since natalie is not in it anymore its really sad. i totally agree though she so deserved an award for her portrayel of anne Boleyn :(
that's not true... Anne of Cleaves he treated very well after they got divorced. She lived a a good life and even became somewhat of a friend of his later on. And his last wife outlived him
Yes I have =) love it and I made a mistake it wasn't the other Anne he killed it was Catherine Howard. But about Anne no she was no pawn to Henry she bewitched him. Caused him to kill his friend Thomas More I'll give you that she was indeed a pawn to her father but not Henry she played him from the beginning why do you think he's so closed now with Jane telling her not to get into his affairs cause Anne did. Its her fault for playing to close to the fire.
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