ALL the incredible actors who composed this show made a diamond out of it. All were amazing, intense, charismatic. I was literally immersed in the 16th century. Thanks to the person who made this show and who cast these actors.
He was loyal to the king but he did take a lot of money from those monasteries and the King only got 10% of everything that Cromwell took after the Abbeys were destroyed. I felt bad for him at first but I didn't because he was the one that caused Ann Boely n to die for no reason!!!
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 I’m not sure that’s right. I know the show mentions Henry getting 10%, but i think that meant 10% of any bribes. the income from the monasteries themselves all went to the king. There’s no way Henry would’ve accepted so little a cut of those huge sums, and he ultimately had control over where it all went - the king squashed all later plans for money to go towards creating educational foundations, which Cromwell and other ministers at court had been trying to do
Things were never the same after Season 2 with the loss of Anne Boleyn and many of the characters I grew to like. Cromwell was really the last character from the old days, and it hurt to see him get butchered the way he did. The new, younger lineup just didn't have that same feel after that.
Wolsey Moore and Cromwell were Henrys very loyal servantWolsey Moore and Cromwell were all executed (or going to be in Wolseys case) He regretted all three of their deathsHere's a thoughtStop killing your mates Henry! 😂😂
Cromwell was nice when he first went in as a clerk, but once he had and taken Ann out of the way, so he could do whatever he wanted with the money rather than having that extra money go to King Henry and the schools.Ann & five innocent men were dead and Cromwell was a dirty guy! Cromwell new at the end when he was about to be executed that it was his pride and trying to be right up there equal with the King as what led to his death. I will admit that Cardinal Gardener did lie about things during his trial but there were many crooked things that Cromwell did.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 but the money did go to the king. You think he wouldve let his minister have all that wealth whilst he got none of it? And Cromwell _did_ want some of the money to go towards creating colleges - he didn’t want all the monasteries dissolved - education generally was vastly important to him. Others at court wanted the same. It was _Henry_ who stopped that from happening, keeping the money for his own purposes. Also Cromwell didn’t want to be equal to the king? He made enemies like everybody at court did, compounded massively by his ‘low birth’. Classism and his reformist beliefs were big factors in his fall. Those like the duke of Norfolk or Bishop Gardiner just needed him to make a mistake, he finally did, and then they used trumped up charges to get him killed.
Oh I hope so...because although pretty much all historians agree that Cromwell masterminded the Boleyns downfall, the show showed it as being mainly Henry and if it messes up the Pilgramige of Grace which is probably an even more important event I will be pissed :( Still...James Frain does do it wonderfully, Frain-love all round
I’m not normally bothered by historical inaccuracy in a show like this, cos that’s obviously not the point of it. But how they presented Cromwell’s involvement in the Pilgrimage of Grace drove me up the wall. It was Rich and Audley who presented the bill of dissolution to parliament, which the King fully supported. It’s _Cromwell_ who was against it. he didn’t want all the monasteries closed for a start, but he also opposed it because he thought it would _cause a rebellion_ .The king was apparently very indignant at Cromwell trying to frustrate the measure. And in the end Thomas had even voted against it in parliament. None of this ‘he told Henry the people wanted it… and Henry got blamed.’ Neither of those things are true😭 he flat out told the King it would lead to a revolt,, like he literally predicted the pilgrimage would happen. And I know it’s not his fault cos that’s what he’s been told happened, but Meyers is completely wrong with that here ahah
Thank you!!! He did approve of it, Cromwell was the tool, if anything, for Henry's religious policy, NOT the other way round! It really annoys me that after staying pretty true to history for two seasons, there gonna mess it up on the pilgramige of grace...and just when I was reconciled to a thin Henry. James Frain is doing an amazing Cromwell though...he really looks like he's gonna come out of his skin in Season 3.
Sir Francis Bryan was such a fun character; they should have kept him on in season 4. Hell, he should have been introduced in season 1 and showed the jousting accident that resulted in him losing an eye.
All of you are on here like “oh poor Cromwell” but he was keeping the money from the monasteries he was tearing down instead of into the charities or the king. Cromwell was Cromwell’s own demise.
No? The income from the monasteries went to the king. There’s absolutely no way he wouldve let his minister take such high sums whilst getting none of it himself. Like there’s plenty of evidence it’s Henry who got the money, including the ludicrously expensive coastal defences he was building. And Cromwell _did_ try to use some of the money to set up educational foundations - he didn’t want all the monasteries dissolved, pushing for them to become colleges - as did others at court. literally the only person who wanted all the money to go to Henry, was Henry.
He was my favorite male character of the whole series, even though I only started watching it because of Henry cavill. What I loved the most about the show was Edward together with his wife Anne. But unfortunately they did not show that much private scenes between these two
Cromwell didn't move against Boleyn because it was what Henry wanted!!! Nor did he embark on the religious policies he did without Henry's support!!! All the same. Great, great, great promo. 5* fav and thanks for uploading :)
@verobinful ya, i didnt understand why he was so hated! Suffolk only wanted some sort of revenge for making him kill many innocent people. I really felt sad for Cromwell, even those evil men went so far to give his executioner a hangover thus resulting in a bad beheading.
It’s conveniently skipped over in this show that Suffolk sanctioned state torture. He wasn’t as innocent as he was made out to be. But then, nobody who got anywhere at Henry’s court could serve him whilst staying unblemished by it
Yeaah they do lol. But in Season 1 when Cromwell betrays Wolsey...that was poignant. Anyways...can't wait for Cromwell's fall. James Frain is gonna be AMAZING (Frain love =D)
Exactly correct and Cromwell knew what he was doing after he became Clerk and helped Henry put aside Cardinal Wolsey as well as have Ann & and five innocent man killed. It was vile but Cromwell deserved what he got! He knew it. It was pride & Cromwell was trying to rule side by side with Henry, and he was having the king's men kill all these people; and Charles wasn't ordered to kill thousands of people up north. King Henry only wanted the leaders killed but it was Cromwell that feared those people.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 he didn’t betray Wolsey. Cromwell was loyal to him up until the very end and beyond. Like he did all he could to save him, he included symbols of Wolsey’s heraldry in his own (a pretty flagrant announcement of loyalty to the court and politically stupid considering it was years after the cardinals death and disgrace), he continued to support/help Wolsey’s children, and even 10 years later in late 1539/40 it was still an incredibly sore point for Cromwell, considering him and Norfolk got into a massive fight when Norfolk insulted the cardinal at a dinner they were both attending
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 also, Cromwell wasn’t trying to rule side by side with the king? Yes he was a powerful member of court at the time, but he would never have tried to be equal to Henry, that would’ve been ridiculously idiotic. And Henry absolutely agreed to the killings in the pilgrimage of grace, he’s the one who would’ve given those orders, no one else could. (And, despite the show presenting Cromwell as ignorant, he knew the King’s method of closing the monasteries would lead to a revolt. He told the king as much, and voted against the legislation in parliament - at which Henry was supposedly very indignant. If Henry had listened to him, the rebellion probably wouldn’t have happened in the first place)
@@francesca9423 I was not ever implying that Cromwell was ignorant at all because he always followed thru with what King Henry ordered. It was Henry that date that beautiful coat to Robert Aske for Christmas.. then after Aske returned home thinking everything was fine, as he had discussed the matter with the King months prior & the king did invite him to the castle for Christmas.. Robert Aske got to wake up call only to be arrested later and he was stabbed in the back by King Henry. I know in the movie Thomas Cromwell worked his butt off for King Henry and he did ten times the work in real life.. that's a historical fact and after he was killed nobody did the work that he or Cardinal Wolsey had done for Henry. The problem was Cromwell was hated by the Catholics in the north and it was actually not just Cromwell but also Charles Brandon who was sent by King Henry to sway the Northerners even though they were originally pardoned if they laid down their weapons because one group didn't lay down their weapons.. King Henry held what this one small group did against everybody even though he didn't appear to be that way towards Robert Aske.. I'm not even sure why Thomas Cromwell would still accept that the other Nobles at court couldn't stand them and they called him a traitor.. I thought he was just fine until he and Anne Boleyn disagreed and then suddenly the light started spreading about an and I personally think he had a lot to do with it and then also King Henry was ready to move on to wife number three
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 oh no I was never saying you were calling Cromwell ignorant! Apologies for the misunderstanding. It was the Tudors tv show who presented Cromwell as completely oblivious to what the people wanted, whereas in actuality he’s the only one who did understand, predicting the rebellion and voting against the dissolution in parliament. The problem for Cromwell was that although he voted against it, he still got roped in to carrying it out - so it was cromwellian troops going monastery to monastery even though, again, it wasn’t what he’d wanted. And Cromwell wasn’t sent up north, he was kept south far away from the rebels, although he did provide a small force. It was Brandon and Norfolk sent out to deal with it. And how much Henry knew/didn’t know about Anne’s fall is a highly debated thing. But Cromwell absolutely orchestrated the plot, no matter whether you believe the King thought her innocent or no. But imo Cromwell and Anne were never allies, which perhaps explains why he didn’t mind being the one to construct the plot - again, either with the Kings knowledge or without
Luca Brasi is Don Corleone's (The Godfather's) main hitman. He was really brutal- he came to power by killing six men in two weeks, one of them by being chopped in pieces while the victim was sitll alive. Don Corleone was the only man he ever feared/respected, and vice versa.
All the characters was perfectly chosen in The Tudors. Henry VIII was not a reasonable person. He wanted absolute power. If I go through his biography I should hate him. And I hate Henry VIII in The Tudors. That is the absolute justification to the character. I also did not like Anne Bolyen. Historically Anne Bolyen was clever but not intelligent. The series also shows that. I also hate Thomas Cromwell. Historically he was very manupulative. I feel sympathy for Rober Aske. I feel so bad that I searched the net to see if it actually happened to him. All chosen actors for respective characters were just perfect. These actors actually reincarnated the historical characters on screen.
could do with just the raw interviews and not the silly narrator. I'd like to listen to the cast talk about what they're doing without the silly Hollywood voiceover dramatising everything o_O
Thats amazing.... I didn;t know they were all Irish back then in ye-oldie times..... what were the brits doing? (yer won calling her Mother 'Mom'..ffs!.... - that actress is irish.... she should be saying 'her ma' or 'mammy'.
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