the TWIST in *GLASS ONION* was WILD!! 

“NO! …it’s just DUMB”

And how offended he gets that miles stole the guns & lights out idea from him 🤣

I love how the mystery of this one both stands on its own, but also plays on the expectations if you saw the first. Like Blanc, you go in expecting this wild intricate master plan and… it’s just so simple and dumb.

I love that they build up to it throughout. “I’m very bad at dumb things,” “I need… a great case”

He’s very bad at dumb thangs…

It’s surprising how few people with fatal reactions don’t carry an epi pen. But then again who can afford them now

@@Knightowl1980 insurance usually cover even the cheap ones.

@@Knightowl1980 Pretty sure Duke is rich enough

@@Knightowl1980 There’s some fairly cheap options, but your point still stands!

Duke not having an EpiPen was one of the countless stupid and unbelievable contrivances in Glass Onion. All the “characters” are ridiculous caricatures, with Duke obviously being how Roundhead Rian imagines the “internet trolls” who (justifiably) criticize him for his abortion: The Last Jedi. Duke being the one that died implies that’s what Rian wishes for his critics, exposing him as a petty lil’ snowflake!

Best quote of the entire film 😂😂😂😂

@@questworldiangreenknight7455 Me going up to the creators of She Hulk. Me:"It's so dumb" Creators: "it's so dumb it's brilliant..." Me: NO!!!!! It's just dumb!!!

@@joshv9139 LMAO 100% ACCURATE!!! 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You could say she's... a birdbrain.

Yep. But just brilliantly played by Kate Hudson. She's one of those characters that if you knew her in real life you'd find her annoying as f'ck. But as a character in a movie she's so funny you almost like her.

Well, no. The twist is that Andi has been dead all along.

Yeah, I picked up on that, I mean that the twist is not about the killer. The case is a glass onion, it appears to have layers of complexity but it's all see though right to the center. The billionaire is the obvious choice but we dismiss it early on because it is so obvious and "no one's that dumb".

So true! 😂

@@72Guyman yeah Blanc says he's "bad at dumb stuff," lead astray by the simplicity. And let's be fair, this is a movie, in real life Blanc would suck as a Detective, because WE ARE BENOIT BLANC, *WE* look for the complexity where it isn't. Most police work is quite straightforward, as are people's motives and actions. Most crimes are Glass Onions, the real challenge a lot of times is proving the facts in a Court of Law and getting a conviction. Which is why we escape to the (very well made) fantasy that are the Knives Out movies and related. It doesn't have to be realistic to be plausible, believable and fun.

@@Carabas72 is it a twist when it's revealed half way through?

He’s also doing Poker Face starring Natasha Lyonne, highly recommend it if you like murder mysteries!

You know casting director's are credited on the film, you can look them up and name them.

Agreed! 😂

Mary Vernieu and Bret Howe.

@@Wraiven22 Haven't watched this yet but agree, really want to check it out. Poker Face looks like it could be really good

I've never once noticed that, that is so brilliant

That’s hilarious!

My theory is he was the true idea man.

Nah, he's just that loser guy that some rich dudes have staying with them, usually in a pool house or something. He's Kato Kaelin and Miles Bron is OJ Simpson.

omg 😂

Agreed!

OK, but we can agree that Yo-Yo Ma wouldn’t actually be part of Birdie’s “pod”, right?

@@MonstrousEthicist who is Yo Yo Ma????

That makes sense. The concept of the celebrity detective is a genre trope, but not a very credible one in my experience. (Law-enforcement professionals might be familiar with great detectives by reputation, but the public are not.) And establishing Blanc's celebrity status is important for the plot in the story more than in Knives Out - not just in the positive reception he gets from Miles but in the fact that they let him on the boat. It's true that he was carrying Andi's invitation, but it seemed like he didn't need it. He was swept into the group on the dock without question because everyone thought it was just like Miles to surround himself with the most famous people in every capacity.

@@questworldiangreenknight7455 famous classical cellist, who identified the music in the box.

i audibly laughed at that.... its 2 am lmao

Exactly! She follows the script. She breaks small things. They don't mind. They even join in - excited by busting up something they are kind of tired of anyway. But then she crosses a line. And they're telling her to stop. But she doesn't. And then she does the gesture... and breaks the system that nobody wants broken. Drinking glass. Sculptures. Artifacts. Fire. Explosion. Fingers crossed.... Mona Lisa. Disruption. Of Miles Bron.

Same with her first scene with the puzzle box

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They even foreshadowed that. He wanted to be forever remembered in the same breath as the Mona Lisa.

Completely agree. :) With one exception: I don't think it was _just_ to give Miles his comeuppance. The reason Andi (the real Andi) walked away in the first place, was that Klear, as it was presented in the movie, was going to kill lots of people. And destroying the Mona Lisa was... probably the only thing that actually would have stopped Miles, because he was just too powerful, and everybody else there was too much of a coward to go against him, even though it was going to kill people. It was only when Miles destroyed the Mona Lisa (Helen may have pushed the override, but Miles was the one who had the audacity to install an override in the first place, so in my book, he's at least as culpable as Helen), and the others realized he was going down, that they stopped supporting him. That's what it took. _And_ it gave Miles his comeuppance. :)

Also didn't he film "after sunrise" at the same location a few years earlier?

Plus at this point I figure everybody wants to cameo in these.

Ohhhh!

Interestingly that's similar to how Chris Evans' cameo in Free Guy happened as well. He was filming "Defending Jacob" nearby in Boston and Ryan Reynolds contacted him thinking it would be good fun. Evans' schedule was so tight that it had to be a quick 10 minutes then he was out of there.

I just love how ethan hawke just comes along lol if the moon knight's story is true, that Oscar Issac reached out to him in a cafe to get him in the series

How is Kareem associated with mysteries? Pretending to be Roger Murdock in Airplane?

Kareem has written Sherlock mystery novels. 😃

I never knew Sondheim wrote a mystery! I need to check that out!!!

I absolutely love the brilliant idea of a detective who is a pro at mysteries but games don’t make sense to him! 😂

Not only Rian Johnson himself, but several Knives Out cast members said in interviews that The Last of Sheila was the model they aspired to emulate; it's probably the cleverest murder mystery ever written for the screen (as opposed to adapted from some other medium) and I really wish we would get some reactions to it. More people need to be made aware of this truly great murder mystery, which every mystery fan I know holds in the same regard that I do and that Rian Johnson does. By the way, another movie with a great Edward Norton role is The Score, starring Robert De Niro and featuring Marlon Brando and Angela Bassett.

She also played Miss Marple in the movie The Mirror Crack'd, and she was in the original movie of Death on the Nile.

Stephen Sondheim wrote a murder mystery movie with Anthony Perkins. Kareem Abdul Jabar writes Sherlock Holmes books. Natasha Lyonne is in Poker Face on which Rian Johnson is a director.

Her Bean was named 'Murder She Solved'

Same. I didn't understand why she did it. I thought it was just her losing her temper, but after being reminded of Miles' speech it made perfect sense.

It’s a travesty that she was never nominated for this movie, Janelle Monae had to do a lot and she did it all beautifully

Probably more specifically that KAJ has written three Sherlock/Mycroft Holmes mysteries in the last 10 years...

@@snowdenwyatt6276 Oh man I didn't know that! Thank you!

@@Raven9940 I didn't remember that initially but a friend who has read the books reminded me when we watched the film. They're quite good by most accounts...

Meh, you don't need massive hurricane protection in the Aegean sea.

It really isn't. I found this movie incredibly convoluted. That speech felt more like Rian Johnson jerking himself off with his methodology of how he subverts every genre movie he does. It felt very self-congratulatory. Knives Out was great and the ensemble cast was far superior, but this one tries to hard and fails to make an interesting mystery. And before you say "that's the point", I know and I'm not gonna give him a free pass for making a subpar story because it's "supposed to be". She Hulk tried the same gimmick. Being self aware that you're bad isn't a pass for being bad.

I appreciate the fact that you kept the wrong word used in the actual quote.

Mind you, do not destroy the Mona Lisa.

Also that Ransom is a much smarter antagonist than Miles. When Blanc figures out how Ransom committed the crime, he says he'll escape since the only charge they have on him is arson. It's not until Marta tricks him into confessing for the murder that they are able to nail him. Miles on the other hand stupidly kept the envelope which implicated him. He handed his glass to Duke in front of everybody. All the evidence is right in front of them to see. He just destroys it all after they find it, not because he is smart, but because he can.

I think the whole thing of Benoit thinking Miles wasn't and idiot at the start the realising he is an idiot who just steals other people's ideas and pays other people for their ideas is also a nod to how the world treats people like this in the real world. We assume these rich people with their big companies must be really smart to have all this but when you get to know them you realise they are idiots living off other peoples ideas. Miles clearly represents the likes of Musk and Zuckerberg.

Also pretty sure this was both Angela Lansbury's and Stephen Sondheim's last appearance in a film? (Sondheim actually has a few upcoming credits as music and lyrics, but as for an actor appearance, this is his last)

Same but I personally prefer his Drax role sad he won't be playing it after guardians 3

He is one of the best actors to come out of wrestling. He's hilarious in Hotel Artemis.

He’s a fun actor to watch! 😂😂😂

@@LordVolkov The* best actor to come out of wrestling. His cameo at the start of Blade Runner 2049 is true cinema

I seem to recall reading a quote of his where he described himself as a character actor in a gorilla's body.

Is Daryl some friend of Ryan Johnson?

I got that one.

Literally everybody knows that part

@@waewae I didn't :P

I had no clue that was JGL 🤣

Joseph Gordon Levitt had a voice cameo in the first film.

@@hogofthefuture i had to search to find it. wow that's awesome, "We have the nanny cam footage" lol

I don't think that was the intent. Production designer Rick Heinrichs actual inspiration was English portrait painter Lucian Freud. Using photographs of Norton, a concept artist created the piece.

And Claire wears it under her nose. Because she's a politician, she's just wearing it because "she is supposed to", not because she actually cares about covid

the fact that every time you rewatch too, you notice another clue in the background that you missed the first watch, or notice another connection/symbology, just very well written. you're right, i think a lot of people don't realize that because the murderer was a little more obvious than the first one, so they think that = not as good. but sometimes the interesting part isn't who, but how and all the other little details. the first movie was about the overall bigger picture, this one was really about the little details, which was cool. i think it'll be interesting to see the different styles of mysteries we get as more movies are added to the series.

Neither of them are well written though….

​@@PickledShark 👁👄👁👍🏻

Oh, absolutely. Or at least when he put his hand on her shoulder that's what he was checking for - he wanted to know whether his hand would go straight through, LOL

I literally went "why hand him a glass when there's one on the table" during the scene, then had to rewind the movie to make sure I hadn't dreamt it up when the first flashback showed a different thing.

@@sandmansleeps657 honestly I'm just amazed by anyone who spotted it! That's observation skills I will never have lol ☺

This is why humans are a social species I suppose -- we need the pay-attention-to-what-the-murderer-is-doing-with-his-hands people *and* the listen-to-what-everyone-is-saying people :P

Yeah, I spotted that move too.

I guess? But the word should have been "culmination."

@@elbruces Yeah, it should have. But what he did say ended up being right in the end in that those he took from reclaimed what was theirs (or their family's).

Meh, you can interpret what ever you want. Still it's just another example of him using the wrong word every time more than two syllables are involved. Unless you're going to argue that Miles has magical future-vision or something. Elon Musk fans have gone there too, so let's hear it.

@@elbruces I think the argument isn't that Miles could see that future but that the film is cleverly written.

And having spent time in casting myself, the stunt casting here seemed purposeful. Having Blanc on a call with those four personalities elevates him and his standing in the world. Yo Yo Ma's appearance hits folks who recognize him. All of that is really intentional.

Been waiting patiently for reactors to catch on to Brick now that Rian's mysteries are picking up steam. Highly underrated movie.

Joseph Gordon-Levitt is also the voice of the hourly ‘bong’.

Does Rian put Noah in everything he does?

Agreed

We aren't talking about the brightest of the brightest here...

I mean, I didn't think he was then when he sent the invitations, but I definitely thought he'd die at the party. Carmen Posadas wrote a book called Invitation to Murder in which the host literally invites his friends to a party in which he dies, so I guessed it was a similar plot. And to be honest, I think it would have been A LOT more interesting. I do get the whole social commentary and why they wanted to make Miles dumb, but to spend 2/3 of the movie having us trying to guess who will kill Miles only to make the victim another person (and through flashback too) is not very coherent to me. That's why I prefer the first film. As someone else said, it isn't a bad film, but it's not a very good murder mystery.

I think it’s cause, it’s a murder mystery movie. Also since Harlan in Knives Out was both the subject of supposed murder (even though it was suicide) and into murder mysteries, I think we’ve come to first assume that the one who’s into murder mysteries is the one to be murdered

In the end Benoit Blanc DID solve his murder (the one he committed).

Then I'd say it had three points, including showing us that Benoit Blanc is bad at simple puzzles.

and when the lights go out you hear the sound effect of him taking it out

Same with Stephen Sondheim, who passed away before the movie's release.

Benoit is very much a supporting character to the leading ladies in the KO movies so far and I hope it continues. I think it's a great formula for the revolving all-star casts.

He's a detective, not a body guard.

@@greywolf7577 But if you're going to go after murderers, and drag along a civilian to help you, it's a tad irresponsible to not be at least somewhat capable of handlling yourself, y'know? Still, it was interesting that it happened in both movies.

Sondheim also regularly hosted murder mystery parties at his house, which along with his film The Last of Sheila provided a lot of inspiration for Knives Out. In that sense, having the man who inspired these films make a cameo here brings things full circle and makes for a really nice little tribute to him

And Lansbury played Mrs Lovett in Sondheim's "Sweeney Todd" too!

I did not know that Kareem was writing Holmes stories!

I think you're wrong about the origin of "glass onion", partially due to the wikipedia article on them (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_onion), and partially due to the fact that the glass (Fresnel lens) in lighthouses is to *focus* the light, not spread it out.

I don't think that was the intent. Production designer Rick Heinrichs actual inspiration was English portrait painter Lucian Freud. Using photographs of Norton, a concept artist created the piece.

@@BubbaCoop no argument intended here, because you're ALSO correct, he's said so in interviews. But he also confirmed that the body he used was Brad Pitt's body on Norton's head.

Honestlyy! 💀

It is probably because, like a glass onion, it seems like a mystery with a lot of layers, but in reality you can just look right in to the center and see the solution to the mystery.

@@LOL00555 Now that's so so clever

@@LOL00555 And the Beatles song was itself a rebuke to people reading too much into their songs and making them more complicated than they actually are.

Rian said he wanted a different setting for every movie and now I'm wondering what it'll be. An escape room? A hut in the mountains? Ancient Egypt? A plane? Really looking forward to it.

Even more interestingly, Glass Onion was at least a little inspired by a murder mystery movie Steven Sondheim wrote called The Last of Sheila. And Natasha Leone is currently starting in a murder mystery show (that Rian created) called Poker Face, which feels at least slightly inspired by Murder She Wrote. Kareem, as far as I can tell is just known as a pretty smart celebrity. He's done very well on Celebrity Jeopardy in the past.

@@beerboybrews Kareem is actually an acclaimed mystery writer these days. Yeah I had no idea either before this movie came out.

@@wcookiv Oh cool! I definitely didn't know that. I'll have to check his stuff out.

*Alternate Ending:* Why detective, I know to you this case must come across as crystal clear; this well-to-do philanthropist is hung by my very corsage, but I implore you to consider the many complexities, in their plurality, of this case. I am but impromptu guest and one whom did not in any way stand to benefit from this here or that there gentlemen's extrajudicial execution. It should follow that my fine companions are guilty here, to some extent, but as this pale blue dot's bonafide greatest detective I assure you they were all accounted for at every picosecond of our time here together. This mystery is a "Glass Onion" in and of itself. For while - at a glance - I may be plainly to blame - in appearances - there are far to many peculiarities to say so without grievously blinding yourself to a gravitational mass of bizarre coincidences and downright sussy confluences of motivation. There is an absence of evidence to imply of a phantom - some cousin of some equivalent or approximate - to some form of ninja or some-such, present on this here island basked in otherwise opulent, nigh decadent, serenity, but I beg of you from every blue blooded corner of my heart to inbreathiate that the deafening silence wailing from the absence of the evidence of absence is my only… reclaimation from guilty until proven innocent in this here intricate translucent and fading prison. Now detective, sir, I’m afraid must tip my hat... and employ whosoever chooses to succeed me as the singular finest in deduction to conclusively prove... a negative. That I did not commit any wrongdoing to these here fine and otherwise quite fortunate people. For only they... For only *YOU*... can do what I have not... (before - for my own safety - I take my leave here and now...) and solve… *The Murder of Mona Lisa.*