The Two Dubs of The Real Ghostbusters: Slimer, Is That You? 

Lorenzo Music to my ears.

While Coulier definitely deserves criticism for his performance, some blame should really go to the Audio Director for not giving him good direction to make the games better.

Okay I never really got your hate over the new voice actor, well I got your argument that it was worse, but I never understood it until we had this review activly comparing them. I feel your pain now.

Oh man, you were dead on accurate. It does sound like Coulier is doing Caddyshack Murray instead of Ghostbusters Murray. I can't unhear it now.

I think that Dave Coulier thinks acting just means talking in a slightly more stupid voice than usual.

Comparing the clips show that a lot of successful comedy has a lot to do with the delivery. The Lorenzo Music version of Peter is definitely a lot funnier because in spite of the fact they are saying the same lines, his version has a lot of dry wit to it which is always great while Dave made Peter sound like a dumbass. I am also always going to prefer Lorenzo Music because he is Garfield.

Took me almost an hour watching this vid. Had to rewind constantly since I was so amazed by the difference in the quality of the takes. The switch in Janine's voice was especially harrowing to me.

Wow, this takes me back 30+ years. I had such a crush on Lorenzo Music's voice as a young teenager. That sly, sexy, and unique timbre, his intelligence and great voice acting, with that witty script... sigh, PERFECTION. (The only other male voices I've adored after him have been Steve Blum and Benedict Cumberbatch, yet Music still occupies a special spot in my heart, to this very day.) So when he was ditched for "duhhhh" Coulier, I was so disappointed. Also got really pissed with how they changed Janine. As a girl growing up in the late 80s to 90s, it felt like a slap to my face. Almost like telling me girls HAD to be soft and saccharine to be "normal." Nail to the coffin was how they dumbed down the whole series.

The interesting thing about the redub is how different the intonation is. Music is more of a deadpan wisecracker while Coulier sounds like the stereotypical "dumb guy" voice. It's that sort of sarcastic quality that fits the original Bill Murray character. Maybe it's just how Coulier just sounds, but he can't come off as sarcastic.

The worse thing about Kath Soucie been asked to do that goodie Janine is the fact we KNOW she can do a sassy female that will take no crap. I think its sort of her normal speaking voice. We hear it in Sally from Sonic SatAM or Princess Whats Her Name from Earthworm Jim. And like others said here, yes, she sounds like a child.

You can just tell Phealous included as much footage of the Master of Shadows talking purely because of how awesome a voice he has. This episode was quite a bit more enjoyable than it would have been just because of how impressive a voice he has.

Lorenzo's Peter sounds more like the real Bill Murray, while Dave's sounds like a poor caricature imitation of Bill Murray.

Great episode P, must admit that the re-dubbing was confusing as all hell in the UK, there was no such thing as syndication here back then, and ITV just bought all the episodes, so the different voices were all over the place.

Peter's been re-dubbed by Dave Coulier. He's completely useless now...

I recently bought some The Real Ghostbusters trade comics, and it's actually hard to read Peter's word balloons, because my mind keeps switching back and forth between Lorenzo Music and Dave Coulier's voices. 30 years later, the Q5 debacle is still claiming victims...

Remember that sweet ending where Peter stays with Mrs Faversham (from the episode the thing in Mrs Faversham's attic), because she reminds him of his mother and wants to give her some company, I imagined how Peter would continue to visit Mrs Faversham after that. I then found out in the comics its suggested she died, and the ghostbusters have her Teddy bear in the fire station. Now I have this horrible thought of dave coulier's Peter showing up on her doorstep and the shock doing in the poor old girl.

I can see why he's the Late, *GREAT* Lorenzo Music.

The more I listen to Coulier, the more it feels like no one told him what the situation was, and just gave him a bunch of lines. The acting feels so offkey that I genuinely think the actor didn't even see the scenes he was recording for.

Lorenzo's voice will always be Peter for me.

Sad thing is, Kath Soucie IS a damn talented voice actress. My guess is that not only was this one of her first jobs, but also the director of the redub (more than likely NOT the usual episode director) just didn't give a shit, so she had to go on without any real direction, or just outright TOLD to deliver like that. Which is why I never really blame the voice cast, as someone had to approve of bad takes in their production in the first place. Also, why didn't they ask her to do her adult voice? She has done plenty of adult voices, and they all sound fine, but for some reason they told her to use her kid voice for a grown woman. Then again, considering it was Q5 in charge at that time, it's expected they would have forced someone to half ass things to save money and time. Though, Dave Coulier on the other hand... Yeah, it would take an act of God to get a good performance out of him.

If Sony ever decides to do an animated reboot of TRG in the near future, I would be happy with them having Maurice LaMarche just doing double duty as Egon and Peter. A snippet from the Time Life set shows him playing around with a Lorenzo impression, and with a bit of work, I feel he would make a far more competent Venkman than Coulier did.

I showed a picture of the wrong King of Cartoons in this video, sorry about that. Here's a pic of William Marshall in the role: twitter.com/Phelous/status/924060727203254278

That explains why Netflix is missing episodes and why they have the redub of this episode. Netflix has the Sony DVDs.

Growing up, I always wondered why my love for RGB died off in the later episodes. Now I officially know why. R.I.P Mr. Music.

Lorenzo Music all the way!

David Coulier really isn't very good at the voice. But to be fair, how do you compete with Garfield.

I feel Phelous keeps making these Real Ghostbusters videos just to shit on Dave Coulier's Venkman. Good.

It's still baffling to me that they bothered to re-dubbed older episodes at all. It's bad enough that they made the decision to replace Lorenzo Music from season 3 onwards but why did they feel the need to go back and mess around with the older ones too?

In the world of voice actor replacement, you've got things like Dan Castellaneta trying his hardest to imitate Robin Williams on one hand, then you have Dave Couiller as Venkman on the other.

I really appreciate you doing these Real Ghostbusters reviews and putting so much passion into them. I like your reviews in general as they're hilarious, but with the TRG reviews I've learned so much more about Lorenzo Music, both just how good he was as a voice actor and as a person. I just do remember watching this as a kid, and at the time I couldn't understand why Garfield's voice kept coming out of some human dude's mouth. I adored Garfield back then. Still do. I'm also a big Bob Newhart Show fan and know a bit about Rhoda, so Music's been a comedy hero for me for some time now. Thanks for letting me know about something else he worked on and for teaching me more about the importance of good voice acting in general. It really is an art. Best.

Dear Phelan, because of you and my own love for Ghostbusters I decided to go and find the episodes of the series. To my luck Netflix had the entire series and hey I have netflix, it's there, it's not bad quality and there aren't ads. So I sat down and enjoyed the treat of laughter, heart, charm, and wit. The animation so reminds me of old anime like astroboy even to some extent. It's not gorgeous but its stylised and has a lot of period dated funkiness. As an fan of animation I adored it. I smiled, I cried, I laughed, I swooned, I gasped. I am always a kid at heart but I felt like an actual kid watching this. Not to say it wasnt intelligent it was! Very!! It feels like the, pardon the joke, real Ghostbusters. I might have watched it eventually but because I fancy you and fancy the original film I gave it more of a chance. I'm in the midst so far and not dispointed...yet. That is except one episode. This one. I was having a grand time and then this episode played. Every episode was Lorenzo Venkman as usual and of course Jeanine was her usual sassy self... until this. That's right...this episode and only this episode of season one had out faaaaavorite blonde full house cast member spewing out what were the very essence of the word dull lines and the rugrats twins voice oozing out of Jeanine. It was off putting! It sounds wrong and it hurts. Every time they spoke all I could think was, to quote Dave himself, CUT IT OUT. I don't know why Netflix only has this version but its disappointing and jarring. Thanks for giving a decent explanation though and comparison . Glad for this review! And for you. Here's a toast to the nerds and fans and ranters and geeks. May our snitches be golden, our falcons be millennium, and our streams uncrossed. Thank you, A fan and a friend to all, Me of course.

Really makes me appreciate Lorenzo Music.

Dammit! Another thing where the voice of the character depends on the "soul" of the person inside them and not the body. I'm pretty sure that even in fantasy worlds, the vocal chords are still responsible for the voice part!

17:48 I never thought I'd ever hear Egon say, "oooh candy, mmm want candy, yum yum!" I laugh every time, along with every time I hear Slimer's voice coming out of Egon, such as the, "I don't know," at 17:45.

Besides Lorenzo Music being way better as Peter, I think it's even worse how distracting the stark differences in audio quality are.

Wouldn't body swapping with Slimer result in the ghost Slimer disappearing into Egon's body and there being a ghost of Egon left in his place?

Bustin Dave Coulier makes me feel good.

RIP Lorenzo Music

You know, before Lorenzo died, I wish they could've had him go back and redub the Coulier eps...although, granted, I don't think I'd ever want to hear him have to say, "fluffernutters". >< lol

Honestly, Susie-Janine sounds a little too young. Like she should be voicing a teenager or something. Not a woman in her 20s or 30s. Is it just me who thinks that?

Sees notification pop up on phone. Sees it’s a Real Ghostbusters review from Phelous. Taps on Notification immediately.

Changing Peters voice ruined the show for me as a kid and I stopped watching. That they then went back and redubbed the good episodes with the bad Peter voice is just unbelievable!

No joke, my mom was recently watching Peewee's Playhouse, and when I entered the room was the first time I saw "The King of Cartoons". Just the way he delivered his line made my skin crawl.

Phelous has somehow made me invested in a franchise that I was only mildly interested as a kid. Why is this so fascinating? I'm wasting my day off work on these videos, dude...

As a young girl I had such a crush on Music's Peter, but not so much Coulier's.

Thumbs up who like Lorenzo Music’s Peter better than Dave Coulier’s.

I honestly think Coulier's take of "Deeply phylosophical debate" is funnier xD Mostly because his voice sounds so halfwitted, it's funny to hear such words come out of his mouth

I have the theory that the Garfield movies were Bill Murray’s penance for indirectly getting Lorenzo Music fired.

Man, I wish I'd known about the Sony vs. Time life DVDs before I bought the Sony ones, but I guess the latter is too expensive for my budget anyway. Thanks for the informative intro!

If this is a Sony dvd release, be thankful the menu doesn't have half an hour of unskippable movie trailers.

what I find hilarious is the idea that the original cast members would all share a recording booth together saying their lines and making for the comradery you would expect for the ghostbusters, meanwhile Dave Coulier was alone by himself reading off lines to dub over lorenzos lines without any of the comradery.

Imagine if they made a box set with all the episodes & included the alternate dubs as options.

I'm under the impressions that the people who made all the changes to the series thought that Peter was supposed to be dumb one, after all, you can't have a children's cartoon without an annoying, dumb character

I haven't seen any of the Dave Coulier episodes, but I always felt like you were being a bit too hard on him in your reviews based on the examples you showed. In this review I've finally heard enough of his voice acting to see that it actually is fucking terrible... He does sound like an idiot. All his lines could be replaced with "Durrr-hu-hu-hurrrrr".

it boggles my mind that they thought this show needed to be fixed.

In the french dub, we didn't have any voice change for the most part from the good to the bad seasons, (except for a few times when one character suddenly switch voices with another, but that's kinda random) so the transition from funny to unfunny, especially for Peter, wasn't to brutal. But holy shit, the Master of Shadows... Everytime in the french dub, when there's a somewhat intimidating demon, Maurice Sarfati was there to give the most overacting performance I've ever heard in a dub job !

Lorenzo Music will always be the true voice of Peter Venkman in the Real Ghostbusters.

UPDATE: I searched on my Netflix account and sadly, I’ve got the Dave Coulier version of this episode.

I am confused here. Does Phelous like Dave Coulier or not?

If Egon was getting dumber in Slimer's body, shouldn't Slimer have started to become smarter in Egon's?

They had Blacula as a guest voice? Nice!

OMG! As a fan of the series prior to the complete destruct of writing and characters, not to mention the horrible changes in VAs, I was thrilled to come across this! The redub of 'Mrs. Roger's Neighborhood' is even worse, imo! It was a sin what they did to this great show! Strazynski returned to write 'Is That You, Janine' as an explanation of the changes, but it ended with Janine the same white bread pea brain that DIC had changed her into! As an old fan (and fanfic writer) of RGB, I salute you!!

I've never seen any of the "Ghost Busters" cartoons, but it's really interesting to hear you talk about the production history. And dear god, that dub-over voice over...

Two things: -First, now I understand why Tiny Toons and The Simpsons (series around this era) shitted all the time on "dumb TV executives trying to ruin everything thinking they know what kids like", it must have been the Q5 shadow flying in circles around them. -Second: interestingly, the latin america dub also changed Peter's voice, but I'm not sure if it was due to the change from Music to Coulier. I didn't like the second voice that much, because it made Peter sound so much younger, but I didn't hate it either.

Thanks Sony for giving us redubed version of real ghost busters we really appreciate it. (Sarcasm)

"Slimer, is that You?!"... It should have been retitled "Peter and Janine, you've Changed" (Get it, because of the voice redubs.)

Maybe the episodes that were actually produced with Coulier should’ve included a laughing animation similar to Dingo. That way we the audience would’ve known when Peter was being witty.

Slimer with Egon's reactions is kinda adorable actually, lol.

at 7:52 I love the little drool edit, Coulier really does make Vinkman sound like a complete moron. I stopped watching the cartoon at that time so I didn't realize/remember how awful his voice is for this character!

Ah we can never get enough of bashing Dave Coulier. Duuuuuuuuhrhrhuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.

"The voices are bad" -Phelous, over the course of 25 minutes.

Has Dave Coulliet ever done ANYTHING Phelous kind of sort of liked...or at least tolerated?

All I hear when Janine speaks is a character from Rug Rats.

Honestly your "I don't like this movie" theme would sound great mixed into the Sony releases menu music

King of Cartoons? You mean BLACKULA, BABY!!!!

Yeesh... hearing Kath Soucie in this is like hearing Jennifer Hale as Flora in the first Tak game.

I do like Winston's "That thing hasn't belonged to anybody since dinosaurs ruled the Earth!" Lol

Wow, this guy is really into Ghostbusters.

I really wish they had the Lorenzo Music and Laura Summer version of this episode on Netflix. Also, if anyone has Netflix, there might be an icon of Slimer from Extreme Ghostbusters claiming that XGB is available, but when I clicked on it, it just took me to the Real Ghostbusters instead.

dave coulier sounds like he's voicing the irate gamer cartoon

First the Mortal Kombat review and now a Ghostbusters review? This really is a golden week. That's it! I learnt my lesson!

I don't know why, maybe it's that our fandoms coincide, or maybe it's because I like the style of your crazy ass videos. But I really think you may be my favorite reviewer. I've been watching your stuff since 2012. So good on ya Phelous!

I think a contributing factor to Coulier's Peter sounding off is a combination of 3 things: Direction, Impression, and Writing 1. Direction, even a VA who is lackluster can pull off a decent performance when directed right 2. His Bill Murry impression, the problem with doing an impression, especially if its a specific impression, can lead to wonky line reading. As you stated in this review there is a VERY clear difference between the way Lorenzo and Coulier announce and express their lines. Lorenzo's Peter comes off far more natural because Lorenzo is just being himself, he's not trying to hold onto an impression of Murry versus Coulier who has to keep his voice similar to Murry's which restricts the way he can perform, Murry could get away with this because that's who he is and how he naturally sounds but Coulier has to alter his voice and hold on to it which, as i said, restricts how expressive he can get. 3. Writing, like you mention in your Bad Episodes retrospective, the writing for the later episodes turned Peter into a less funny version of himself, which would be the nail in the coffin for how well of a performance someone could do, I doubt even Lorenzo could pull off being that version of Peter if he had been allowed to stay on. these contributing factors is why Coulier's Pete comes off as a pale imitation with the redubs and why it greatly reduces Peter's character in the later seasons.

Honestly when I’m watching this video again, I mute the video when you play the Peter clips with Coulier’s redubbed voice, I cannot imagine how much worse it is than Lorenzo Music’s Peter Venkmen, but thank you for this video

“It’s haunted by the death of acting.” That one made me laugh too loud in the middle of the night.

Soooooo glad I got the Time Life version when I did, now if they'd only produce a complete box of Extreme Ghostbusters....

Whenever I hear Phelan talking about dubbing shenanigans with Ghostbusters, I feel guilty because from my childhood I'm only familiar with the German dub, which stayed the same over both seasons. And is also really good, in my opinion.

Coulier does get some of the timing right. Maybe it would have been more natural if he hadn't had to imitate another actor's performance. And Phelous is right, it does sound like he's going for Stripes or Caddyshack Bill Murray, which is pretty different from Venkman.

Man, this makes me miss Lorenzo Music :(

Saw the Ghostbusters 3 news and had to rewatch that Phelous again to lift my spirits.

You should consider being a voice acting coach and/or tutor. I can *hear* the differences in the deliveries, but you are so good at *explaining* it all. Master of Shadows is such a great design, one of those types we just don't see anymore. Like some kind of Ninja Gaiden boss. I guess it makes sense for Janine to sound likes she's talking to babies when she sounds like a freaking baby herself.

what's next Dave Coulier going to voice Garfield!

I've never even seen the real Ghostbusters and even I can tell that Lorenzo Music is perfect as Peter.

Lorenzo Music (I think that's how it goes) is just awesome.

The only reason why I think those DVDs are so cheap is because of people are not buying DVDs anymore

Dave Coulier doing Peters voice always sounded like Bill Paxton. In fact, when watching Predator 2 when I was a kid, Paxton sounded like him so much, I thought he was the voice actor for Peter Venkman .

You know what Dave Coulier's Venkmen sounds like? It sounds like Dan Aykroyd trying to sound like Bill Murray in Caddyshack 2: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iW3D9qzYYWE.html

Wonderful content as always

damn phelous, you know everything about this cartoon series!

Man, sure seems like Sony does not care about Ghostbusters at all. Except when they want to make a quick buck.