THE ULTIMATE STEALTH CHALLENGE: METAL GEAR SOLID'S TOUGHEST GAME 

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At this point I just call the Tanker chapter "I've been with the unit since I was born! Conflict and victory were my parents."

I agree MGS2 is the most difficult. But I will just say The Fury took me the longest out of any one sequence in any of those games on Extreme.

A few weeks ago I got the Big Boss emblem in MGS2 in both Extreme and European Extreme/No game over when spotted difficulties. Of the most rewarding feelings, but never again because Fatman and the first fight against the Tengus made me go insane.

It's also worth noting in MGS4, you get unlimited saves for Big Boss rank. By no means is it easy to get Big Boss rank, but it's definitely a huge bone the game throws at you.

I just realized that the conditions for achieving Big Boss rank on MGS1, literally turn the game into a movie. The 2 hour time limit, the minimum alerts, no continues, extreme stealth, etc. all crafted to create a non-stop cinematic experience, as if you were actually the hero of an action movie. Fucking genius

Getting this game platinum was the biggest challenge I have ever faced in gaming. Your guide was a life saver. I must have fought olga about 30 times before beating her. Super excited for volume 2 of the master collection.

When playing on PS2, I used to flatten Snake to the floor and shoot Olga through the gap between the crates. She behaves quite predictably under those circumstances, at least for the time it took me to line up the four headshots required to knock her out. The tricky part was lining up those headshots quickly enough, especially since you often had to depress the pressure-sensitive L2 or R2 buttons with just the right amount of force in order to shift your POV far enough to the left or right (but not too far) to get a clear shot at her. Unfortunately, I can only pull this off on original hardware. When playing the game with an Xbox controller on an emulator, the left and right triggers are too sensitive for me to be able to line up the shots they way I could on PS2. I end up shifting Snake's POV too far to the left or right and having my vision blocked by the crates on either side of the small gap you need to aim through. It's annoying because, while I still have the original hardware and a physical copy of the game, I'd rather play it on PC these days.

Well, Didn't knew that MGS1 allowed the usage of Special Items to get Big Boss/FOX rank. (That makes me want to get the game even more)

It's worth noting that the torture sequence is SIGNIFICANTLY harder on the PS2 Substance release of MGS2 and was toned down a lot for the HD Collection and all future re-releases.

got my big boss rank in mgs2 thanks to your guide as a first time player of the franchise it helped tremendously! it actually made me like the game a lot more than just doing a standard. good luck to the big boss runners here o7

If I’ve seen this video before the guide for the BB title I probably wouldn’t even tried it. Lucky me it was the other way around, that fight with the 20 mg rays was epic!!! It made me feel worthy of the title after passing the tangus part with that glitch 😬 once again thanks for that amazing guide ❤

still stuck at fatman... need a long break and I'll retry it. Thank you for all the support

Bravo, superb overview for people wanting to attempt BB rank, and then the detailed video. During this overview video, it reminded me why MGS1 was universally acclaimed in 98 and why MGS2 was polarizing on 2002 (Raiden-Anakin character, Emma mission, annoying bombs, weird bosses...). GG champ and thanks

I 100%ed the game on my PS3, 10 years ago... easily the hardest platinum trophy ever I did.

Enjoyed the watch, thank you!

The struggle is real. I spent 2-3 days getting this one rank for my platinum run. The feeling of relief after each save, the whole game is nothing but trial and error. And each error takes up 20-30 minutes of your time.

I can't believe I beat this game, thanks to your guide of course! I almost quit so many times too. I took a break before trying to platinum Snake Eater cause MGS2 was INTENSE. Glad to know the hardest game is done for me haha.

The main problem with the tanker is that once you do it you fall into that gambling like mindset where you have invested too much to back out so you just have to suck it up and die to fatman 100x too

MGS2 was my life for several years. Big Boss on European Extreme countless times, around 2h15m. Top scores on all VR levels, speed runs on the Boss Battles. Unfortunately I was playing it after they had closed the website to enter online scores. Big Boss on MGS3 as well but I never loved it like I loved MGS2.

I've beaten MGS2 dozens of times over the past twenty years and I only just completed it on Extreme for the first time a couple years ago. It was so unbelievably difficult and every single time I thought I had gotten through the hardest part it kept getting exponentially harder. Even after doing it myself I can barely believe that 20 Metal Gear fight is humanly possible. The fact that people can achieve a Big Boss rank with such absurd additions on top of that brutal difficulty will never cease to amaze me. Anyone who has done so is truly above even the Boss

There are even fewer players who got the best rank in every game with 0 saves. I managed that back in the day, but I doubt I would have that much patience nowadays.

I came up just short in mgs2, and couldn't get through the gauntlet, and then save file corrupted

Go and play the torture part on european extreme on the original ps2 version of the game then come back and tell me it was "not a big deal".

I've beaten these games countless times but i never attempted to go for the Big Boss rank until i became a completionist. Now i really want to, but the thought of time restraint alone is enough to hold me back from starting. Overall, i love a challenge but when a time limit is part of it, it stops being exciting for me almost entirely. I remember how tough the Rays boss fight within arsenal gear was on the extreme difficulty when i did it for the platinum on PS3 back in the day. Pretty sure that part took me 30 retries or something. Imagine the stress of me rushing to get there in the first place lol.

Funny enough, I recently achieved MGS2 Big Boss (with a lot of credit to your guide video) and o was DREADING the Ray fight. But due to my save economy, the Tengu fights were by far the hardest part. It took a lot of practice to pass fight 1 and 2 back to back even with the Tengu 1 skip and chokehold skip. After a couple of practice rounds, I beat the Ray gauntlet on my third attempt 😅

I was proud to get the platinum on all the MGS games.

13:50 You can pick up the claymores around the strut F-E connecting bridge or whatever it was called and use them against Fatman, one of them is enough to knock him for some easy damage

I'll never play this game on this kind of difficulty but nice commentary. Hope to see a video like this on MGS3.

Great breakdown! MGS2 is easily the most challenging Big Boss rank, mostly because of that insane save limit.

"if you go right you are fucked" i felt that

At 8:45. There is an very easy way. Before you go to the terminal you can take the into the cupboards in the first room. 😁 I have the big boss ranks in Metal Gear Solid 2 & 3.

Mgs2 best tip for plant chapters beginning. Drag all 3 guards to the lockers in the first area. And for fatman just run after him and dont let him do a thing(if u chase him all the time, he barely has time to place one bomb or even activate it). U can also just bully fatman for free after defusing the first bomb, second one does not need to be defused immediately(u have time).

I think Olga's placement is actually excellent game design. The game is telling you to fuck off and come back when you're better, because if you can't handle this, then you have no hope for later.

I must say that I have the platinums of the entire saga, I have the platinums of the PS3 versions of MGS2 and MGS3 and in those versions MSG2 was the most difficult since you had to complete the game 100%, that meant completing all the Snake Tales, getting all the Dog Tags, which already forced you to play on all the available difficulties except for the European Extreme, which although it was not necessary to get the Big Boss rank, I still remember that it was too complicated a challenge, but I did it. What was most frustrating was completing the 500 VR missions, of which some were too shitty, like the first-person missions that didn't fit very well in a game that was designed to be played in third person or the sniper missions protecting a target , I did all that and it was the hardest thing for me in the game. With the new Master Collection I must say that for the Big Boss rank it was indeed a difficult challenge but I already had the experience of having played before on Extreme difficulty to get all the Dog Tags, and I also had already mastered all the mechanics of the game due to having completed all 500 VR missions previously. I feel satisfied that I achieved the Big Boss ranks in Metal Gear Solid and MGS2, as I had never tried before, as well as the Foxhound rank in MGS3, which I had also never tried. The only game where I had to get the Big Boss rank mandatory to get platinum was MGS4: Guns Of The Patriots, which although it was also a great challenge, I still considered the platinum of MGS2 (PS3 Version) much more difficult than that of MGS4. Now with this new version in the Master Collection I think MGS2 it is still the most difficult in the saga so far, of course, if we do not take into account the platinum of the spinoff Metal Gear Rising which would be the most difficult in general.

the fury was pretty hard on ee but those rays are frickin insane. no wonder raiden became a monster in mgs4

It may not be the hardest big boss rank but mgs4 might have the single most annoying segment. The bike chase without solar gun and metal camo to cut damage in 1/2 is a nightmare.

I honestly am glad i went through hell doing big boss run on mgs 2. Biggest pain in the ass most definitely but actually completing it and finally achieving something after so many years is the best feeling ever

Today I just finished extreme mode for the first time since mgs2 was a new PS2 game, and honestly I know the game so well that there's only a handful of bits (tanker guard rush, harrier, and Vamp sniping are the worst for me) where I'm struggling. I've had to take a break for a while, but when I turn it on next I'm going for the big boss rank practice runs.

I spent 9 hours straight on Extreme Olga as a child when this game came out, I developed a muscle memory that hasn't left me to this day, I can still confidently kick her ass on Extreme after all these years.

I never could get past the mash button section at the end on euro extreme hopefully I'll try again some other day

8 saves is fucking crazy holy shit cannot wait to see how you do it.

For Fatman, just place claymore mines to knock him down, or use CQC when he stops to place a bomb. That saves a ton of shots fired.

I rarely take my time to comment, however i need you to know that you need to do more of these „documetary“ type of videos. You have a great voice, sence for humor and you could do much more than guides. I bet this will make your channel grow like crazy

lol that's kind of ridiculous I hereby award you the title of Big Bad Ass Boss Man

I was totally unaware you were allowed to save at ALL in any of the MGS games and still get big boss. Omfg! I always thought it was without saving. I once made it from beginning all the way to fatman AND defeated him without saving once. Then the next area I was spotted and screwed it. I tried to get it on both first and second game. If I knew I could save 8 and 80 times I would have definitely got it!

As a kid who only beat this game on USA extreme when it came out, this gives me PTSD

Ultimate challanege: Do it all without a single save without alerting the enemy or doing hold ups unless it's 100% unavoidable. No glitches/exploits.

I’ve managed to get Big Boss once on Extreme, but screw that Ray fight

As a kid I gave up beating the MG Rays after tens of tries

I knew I didn’t make up that Snake had blue glasses in Plant

Was your MGS1 footage from the Master Collection? It looks much better than mine. I've played it on Xbox and PC. - mods are the answer maybe?

I've been playing MGS my whole life. I played MGS1 in 2001 for the first time and started following the franchise since then with every installment. But I started doing the Big Boss challenges way later. I believe the very first time I did one was on MGS1 around 2007 or 2008, then I did MGS3 and eventually I did MGS4 after release. But MGS2? I never ever even dared to try it, the whole thing intimidated me. I rather did MGS4 once again when the trophies were added. But then the pandemic happened, and I had an urge to replay all main 4 MGS (MGSV? Replay? What is that?) and said to myself "Why not? Why shouldn't I finally do it?" and started doing Big Boss runs for all 4 of them in order. MGS1 was as hard as I rememberd but doable. MGS3 was the easiest of the bunch, not too hard. MGS4 was alright except for the Bike section, like I always remembered, still harder than MGS1 just because of that section. But MGS2... I had to plan ahead. I prepared my save points, endured a lot of suffering and frustration trying to come up with my routes and the bosses strategies... To eventually and finally do it. I got the rank. I was done. I could rest. I hated the whole thing and said to myself I'd never attempt to do that run again. But then... The Master Collection happened. And the Platinum asked for Big Boss Ranks on all games, even MGS2. I didn't want to do it. I DREADED even thinking about it. But I took up the courage once more and decided to take the challenge. I even had my old save points data on a spreadsheet and my old times per save point to have a comparison. And guess what? The second time it was a blast, I had FUN doing it, FUN! What the hell? Even the dreaded bombing sections, particularly Strut E I enjoyed, since I was on a mental state of "I'm just doing a very long VR Mission" and was having fun planning my route and approach. I ended the run with high hopes of eventually doing it again sometime. Am I crazy? My save points were 1. Plant Beginning, 2. Pre Fortune Fight, 3. Post Fatman Fight (Yep, I rather do Fortune and Fatman in a single run than save before him, I hate that guy with a passion), 4. Post Harrier (going back to the Harrier after dying isn't that big of a deal to me), 5. Post Vamp Pre Emma PSG1 Section, 6. Pre Tengus, 7. Post Tengus/Pre RAYs and finally 8. Pre Solidus. Most boss fights are awful, but doable. Even Olga. Even Fortune. Fatman was the most RNG-based. The Harrier was a beast and dreaded fight, specially the first time, but after some pattern recognition and strategizing is completely doable, during my second time I did it in very few attempts it surprised even myself. But the rest... With Vamp, the first time I did it was my most dreaded boss fight of the game. But the second time I did it, I got given a godly advice that made the fight a cakewalk and the easiest of the game. When Vamp comes to the platform for you and runs towards to stab you, you can equip the Nikita and press Circle to hit him with the weapon itself, which has a ridiculously high hitbox, deals a good amount of stun damage to Vamp and makes him retreat and go down the pool. With that the fight went by like nothing. The Arsenal Gear part with Snake was frustrating. I did it legitimately both times, and the first section is by far the worst, since Snake tends to just push forward and die. The second part? It's an easy walk, since you can equip the H.F. Blade on non-lethal mode, press L1 to block incoming fire and just stun the Tengus with the blade while Snake kills everyone else. In the second part Snake won't die, at least he didn't for me ever, since here if you just keep running in circles while blocking, Snake will probably kill most of the Tengus. The RAYs are... The easiest fight for me. When I fight them I literally enter "the zone", a mental state where I can keep doing that indefinetely until they are dead because I recognize all their attacks and know what to and what not to do. Love them. And Solidus was a pain the first time, specially his missiles attacks. The second time I discovered (maybe rediscovered?) that I could block most of his attacks and the fight was easy. I remembered from my first run that I could dodge the missiles while slipping on the ledges of Federal Hall. All in all, Big Boss Rank is something to be earned, it's a challenge, and the ultimate way of experiencing any MGS. In terms of difficulty from hardest to easiest: MGS2 > MGS4 > MGS1 > MGS3.

One of the hardest bosses in a game for me was the harrier on v.hard, couldn't imagine doing it with limited saves, no deaths and a harder difficulty, I forgot the rays! The time between their shots for you to get one off is near impossible

Tengus can be cheesed, but FUCK that fight in Tanker before the holds

Not being able to shoot down the light or the tarp before Olga kicks your teeth in with them is why I never beat extreme

Started this run over the weekend. Still to hit the first save point :)

Funny enough, the original reason why i wanted to quit big boss rank was because of the torture section and me not clicking fast enough. It probably took me longer then the ray fight because my last save on my first BB playthrough was the ray fight. As for solidus he was a joke and is nothing compared to tengu 1, ray fight and the torture sequence

0:28 he in fact was going to.

I've gotten big boss rank 3 times now on 3 separate accounts, i might sound insane but the more i re did it the more it was fun and fair making me test my limits with making saves very long to the next and so on. except tengu 1 and tengu 2 they suck even with my multiple play throughs of this game snake either dies too fast or i die too fast.

I finished all MGS in a big boss/fox hound rank. The most difficult is MGS 2 without a doubt. Bonus: MGS V S rank all missions is very doable. The most difficult would be Extreme Back-up Back down probably. 4) MGS 3 - Easiest to do a fox hound run. 5 Hrs is very doable and the motor bike chase is much more doable than MGS 4. The bosses also have an easy way to deal with save for the pain and/or fury. 3) MGS 1 - Easiest in terms of stealth even with Radar off. However, Boss fights can be challenging along with the forced encounters with kill limit being low and no actual non-lethal option. Twin Snakes is way easier for big boss run though. 2) MGS 4 - Unlimited saves makes things easier along with 4/5 hrs gameplay. But the motor cycle section is just frustrating. and Ch 2 accidental kill can be tricky. 1) MGS 2 - This is just another realm of difficulty. I finished my big boss run with the option "gameover when spotted" which apparently is a mistake. The Alert won't happen until the call was made but with "gameover when spotted" prevents any reaction. The boss fights are just too tricky and the MD/Bullet limit makes things even more difficult. My big boss run is 4 Saves, and 2:55 hours. Almost failed to do so. And I nevwr attempted to the same thing again.

If you can use stealth in msg1 that makes the part going up the endless steps of stairs , more easier cuz man you’ll definitely need that one ration there and then . Or when you fist fighting liquid

I tried MGS2 on extreme and got all the way up to the torture scene and till this day I can't pass it.

I remember a good 12 years ago I used to watch my brother do this for fun

Only some bosses on extreme mode, big boss runs are hard in this game .

It's not an stealth challenge if been undetected is the easiest part

The best hint I can give is respect the game difficult playing in normal / normal hard in your first run and then playing in the extreme difficult without getting annoyed with the restrictions, you need to evolve and learn how it looks like.

I did MGS2 Boss rank twice, once for PS5 and a second time for PS4. Second time I got it with 699 shots 😅.

MGS2 Vamp was the hardest boss for me in the series. To make matters worse with him, my ps3 got ylod when I was at the Vamp boss fight in mgs4. Such a dick

That liquid beat down was satisfying

10:22 WAIT I DIDNT KNOW U COULD JUST HIT THEM THERE AND THEY FAINT BRUV!!!!! I've been playing this game non-stop since I was 4/5 yo back in 2001 and I may know every line of codec and cutscene at this point, but I STILL DIDN'T KNOW THIS WTF

Tried the Big Boss around 2008, I gave up at the Rays. I've not played the game since.

Can you use special items in MGS 2

Maybe as a younger man inwould have given it a go. I just don't have it in me anymore to want this BB rank anymore. Well done to those who have. You're more man than I'll ever be

Wait... No... After the harrier fight you don't have to make that leap of faith. That's only if you want the AK suppressor. You can hang off the railing to the right and drop onto the pipe to continue. And if you die, you don't have to redo the harrier fight. At least not in the hd collection

mgs2 EE is probably the only game that ever beat me, I wasn't even going for a rank.. I got to the rays.. I couldn't do it man..

i never even tried

I tried playing the plant chapter on European extreme the other day I couldn’t even make it to the eleveator I was like naaaahh this ain’t it. The enemies can see so far. Hard mode is a breeze though

Big Boss rank honestly scares me, I am NOWHERE near skilled enough to even think about attempting it. Still cool to see people get it though, Also wouldn't it better better to get the M9 before pliskin and stilman?

I play games for fun, not for torment.

I always thought peace walker was the hardest game to play an master

...but what is the "10.5 life bars" in MGS3? Are those based on the starting length? 14:35 no, you can instead hang from the remainders of the railing on the right, to fall from it on the pipe below. Of course, the jump is much quicker (and leads to some items)

4 as well

Isn't the torture section like significantly worse in the original PS2 version on extreme? I recall you have to mash the button for over a minute and it's quite ridiculous I hear

You're missing a requirement for big boss rank. You can't destroy more then 40 machines I believe. Like the cipher drones and cameras. Or maybe it's 60. I forget the number.

I'm personally scarred from when I tried to get the platinum trophy for mgs4....that big mama chase scene is about to drive people nuts when it gets a remaster 😭

Mgs 4 is the easiest one to get Big Boss Rank. Took 3 days- between work & play throughs.

You can lie down adjacent to door against vamp and use nikitas

So foxhound is higher than big boss rank?

average MGSV dude playing mission 45 with %0 health, no enchantments, naked, no weapons, no items, only fulton>>>

I will mever go for this mgs 3s foxhoud broke me and thats a lot easier

8 saves is more than enough, 25 is overkill and 80 is just stupid.

Somehow, I find MGS Twin Snakes harder than MGS2.

id say that BigBoss run on MGS 2 wouldnt be actually that hard if it wasnt for that ending stretch with the 2 Tengu Fights and then having to kill like 20 MetalGear RAYs nonstop. appart from that whole bullshit section the challenge is pretty doable

The toughest metal gear game is the twin snakes

The torture session isn't a big deal unless you're playing on original hardware haha. Something like 45 seconds of mashing triangle if my memory serves me right, absolutely devilish

Obamna

toughest metal gear game: skating mgs2. Change my mind

Live stream when?

Button mashing is very hard on E.Extreme. And it's after 20xRay battle, which I tried to beat for almost a week.I had to use turbo on my controller to pass it. The most idiotic game mechanic in gaming history. Because of this stupid brain dead button mashing I don't play MGS1/MGS2 on hardest difficulties. TTS is manageable, but still frustrating to go through.