The Underappreciated Machines that WON the Federation the One Year War 

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Imagine being the guy that got assigned the type 61 while your buddy gets the Ground type Gm during Odessa or Jaburo

I know Gundam is all about mobile suits, but I am happy to see the non-MS getting love

That scene with the Zaku getting ambushed and visibly going "oh...fuck" is still one of my favorite moments from the entire Gundam franchise.

The ball is unironically the closest thing to what an actual space battle machine would look like.

Like 30% of the reason the war ended as quickly was char taking out the leadership himself and constantly helping amaro(intentionally or otherwise.)

There really needs to be a video about crucial lore: Minosky Particles.

Any dislikes on this video are just zeeks mad that they lost to those machines

Feddie Engineer A: Our fighters don't have enough firepower and our bombers are too sluggish! Feddie Engineer B: So what we need is an fighter-attacker that can cruise... Feddie Engineer C: That reminds me of a certain famous jet from the middle ages that was said to be built around its weapon. Fed Eng. A: Brrrrrrrrrrrt? Fed Eng. B: BRRRRRRRRRRRT

I still say the funniest thing the Federation tried fighting mobile suits with was the Vulcan Armored Car. In all actuality, it was a half track with an absolutely massive 60mm Vulcan cannon mounted on it. If you've never heard of it, it tried to fight the Gogg and lost horribly.

I like when mecha franchises can keep established military designs, like tanks and strike craft, relevant while still keeping the main focus on the mechs. Good combined arms isn't common enough in sci fi.

The scene from one of the Gihren's Greed games where a troop of tanks ambushes a Zaku II is always great. The Gundam's critical role was in absolutely decimating the Zeon ace pilots as they threw most of their top pilots into a grinder trying to stop the White Devil. Obviously they had more aces but after the launch of Operation Star One the Zeke aces were getting killed faster than they could get replaced and higher performance suits like the Rick Dom and the Gelgoog performed poorly with green pilots and cadets

Glad to see the support vehicles getting love

Gave it a like before the opening started. This is a topic in the franchise that deserves love. Gotta respect the mad lads in the tanks and planes.

MS Igloo was nice to dedicate an episode to the infantry using anti MS weapons and the Type 61

I'm so glad you said "driver". So many scifi channels use the term "pilot" when referring to ground vehicles.

I love the look on that Zaku's face when it looked around the corner and was like WTF, Where'd it go?! then turns and looks to its right to see a shit ton of 61s on the highway aiming at it and has that 'Ohh... Fuck...' Also, that Depp Rog made me think of a B-29 with that forward mutli windowed section...

1:28 I see what you did there.

Lest anyone accuse you of exaggerating, the Zaku Cannon was created with battling planes in-mind due to how thoroughly outgunned Zeon was in air superiority. Wonder if that's part of why we don't see the Gouf Flight Type so much, since while it's neat, it probably would have got turned into swiss cheese in most battles.

As a Gihren's Ambition player, I'm always happy to see some appreciation for the vital non-MS, non-MA, non-Capital units. This is a great video with some good clips, such as the Type-61 barrage at 3:20. I know Gundam's got an anti-war message in most of its series, but I also love the war-machine analysis you can pull off with the tech in game. This is [ Mobile Suit Gundam ], and the [ Mobile Suits ] are the stars of the series - but I still feel like there's more room to give other units in the military more screen time, and allow them to remain more of a threat. The tanks vs. mech issue will always remain hotly debated. There's logical reasons and literary reasons for both sides of the argument, both as a general rule and within the Gundam Franchise itself. I'm not here to decide whether or not one or the other should win - I'm here to say that it "feels" better when both can actually put their best performance on, for lack of a better term. From what I can google, the Type-61's maximum speed is supposedly faster than the Zaku-II Ground Typeby about 5 kmh - which is impressive, considering the tank carries a traditional reactor and the MS packs a compact nuclear reactor. Of course -neither- unit can fight at max speed as effectively, yet I imagine both the tanks and mecha implement stabilization and similar corrective mechanisms to keep on target while moving. We can do this with modern hardware. But I can't think of any battles at even a cruising speed between ground vehicles and MS - not besides the desert rebels on humvees versus the BuCue's of SEED's Africa arc. I'm not deciding that one or the other should win, but I think it's more impactful for the narrative and presentation to see tanks as something other than -only- lumbering, plodding beasts. Seeing the winner triumph after an effort rather than effortlessly brushing aside the opposition feels, to me in particular, to be more exciting. This wall of text - honestly me just gushing - has gone on far too long, but I think I've made my point without being confusing? Hopefully? Then again it being so long probably makes it more confusing...

Still waiting for the GM development history. I wonder if he'll ever get around to making it?

I think even without amuro and white base, federation would still win with their overwhelming resources (gm and other versions of gundam were already in development when amuro got the gundam), but instead of "one year war" now it's "one and a hald year war" or "two year war". Amuro, gundam and white base only accelerate the process.

It's really weird knowing that the type 61 tank fires larger rounds than most MS with its 150mm-155mm cannons, any yet is always portrayed as being ineffective when actually landing hits

Line of sight is longer than people think, especially in the desert were hit and kills of targets a lot smaller than a zaku at 3 km or longer. Also, the zakus 90mm autocannon might as well as be a spitball against modern tanks

Imagine never having air superiority before EFF was a security force and EFAF was pretty much none-existence, and then they mobilized. This is what made the OG gundam so great. No super weapon can save you. It is, at the end of the day, a war of attrition that ZEON lost within the first week. PS Depp rog and the manta are only developed after the mobilization of the EFF, about 1 month into the war during which most of Europe and America was lost. Note that Odessa only had 32 Mobilesuits, of which only about 20 were GM ground types.

Gotta love that YGO GX theme song

I wish more gundam shows showed the support units as more than targets. Ibo mobile workers come to mind as in s1 they were the main force when they could not use ahab reactors

To find this video the same day I finished my first Gihren's Greed playthrough!

Zeon had 1/8th the resources of the EF. The introduction of mobile suits gave the POZ the push they needed to put the EF on its heels for a while. But once the EF learned how to counter the POZs mobile suits and introduced their own it was game over for Zeon.

Me watching Sci Fi: This needs some mechas! Me watching Gundam: This needs some non mechas!

I love, love, love that the super prototype is important for the story, but in the overall OYW it didn't single-handedly win the war by any means, and really didn't even turn the war around on its own.

Really hard to find kits of these because they are all so obscure. The Type 61 does have a few kits and the one that comes with the Zaku Ground War Set (best kit of it so far) is so damn rare you wont find any.

IGLOO really showed how effective the Type 61 could be. One of the best MSG battle scenes ever!

Type 61's are great, being in one against anything above a Zaku though, prey to god your at a functional firing angle. GBO2 illistrates the feeling perfectly, your too slow, if an MS steps on you or hits you with melee have fun, and while you can hit the legs with your main cannons, a couple of 60mm rounds is all it really takes to blow you up

I think some people need to rewatch the original series again and pay attention because throughout the series it is repeatedly stated that the White Base has little to no actual influence on the war and instead served mainly as propaganda and as a distraction for Zeon. The Earth Federation military was lead by competent commanders unlike Zeon and they quickly realized that Zeon was putting way too much effort into destroying this one ship compared to what it was doing, like during it's entire cruise in Asia they only destroyed a couple dozen mining bases out of hundreds, so they decided to play on it and they literally say this repeatedly in the series. The crew of the White Base as well repeatedly make this observation that they have a relatively small impact on the war while the Federation Army is the one actually pushing Zeon back. And this is then first illustrated at the Battle of Odessa where while millions of Federation soldiers push the Zeon forces back over hundreds of km while the White Base is mostly just sitting in the back and running interference, and the point is repeated at Solomon and A Baoa Qu where the White Base while one of the most advanced Federation ships and having some of the best pilots still is just one of many, Amuro shoots down about two dozen mobile suits and I think two Musais but that's out of thousands of mobile suits and several fleets of Musais. Yet throughout much of this Zeon kept throwing away it's resources to try to destroy the White Base, which meant that the White Base of course could always just remain on the defensive and were often just given huge advantages by overeager Zeon commanders looking for personal glory. And they often did this at critical moments like Odessa, and in the lead up to A Baoa Qu, sending away some of their top of the line units to fight someone who even if they're killed will mean nothing to the war effort. In the very early stages destroying the White Base meant sabotaging the V Project but sometime after they had reached Luna 2 it seems like they got all the data they wanted from it and it really doesn't matter anymore.

Of course, IIRC, Gundam (or white base) mostly fought iconic characters (Char, Ramba Ral, M'Queve, etc.), They rarely fought large fleet of Zeon

Kakarot is basically going over the units you need to mass produce in the beginning of the EFF campaign in Gihren's Greed.

After all, The Spitfire stood upon a mountain of Hurricane corpses to win skies above Britain.

I'm disappointed that the core block system was never used for GMs, because then we can get more of the unsung hero of the original Gundam anime, the core fighter. Absolutely love that funky little dude

I always liked the standard Moebius space fighter from Gundam SEED

I wish we knew more about the Flydart. That looks so cool!

The Type 61 for my favor. Put enough of them on the front lines and 3 squads of Zakus will get recked. But lest we forget the humble fighter copters. Many a time at California base would I or one of my squad get taken out by these pests. Shout out to Gundam Zeonic Front.

Like Revil said in Origin. It’s not only a fight that will decided the outcome of war but resources wise Zeon couldn’t win against Federation in any sense because lack of manpower and resources. In the later war Zeon practically strap with anything they could find and the newer mobiles suit were too diversified for it to give any advantage. Compare to federation production scale of whole earth.

It has always seemed to me that the only reason why the Federation forces felt the need for mobile suits of their own is that their tank crew and fighter/Ball pilots just can't resist the temptation of doing melee with mobile suits. But then again, since mobile suits are the stars of the franchise, I have to let this one slide. I chose to watch the shows after all.

I'm happy that the other units have been covered, but I disagree about the Gundam. It didn't win the whole war by itself or anything but I feel that if Chars attack on side 7 had succeeded in destroying the V Project completely and resulted in the death of the original cast, that would have been it for the Federation in the long run. The forces Char and Garma lost would still be around, Garma would be alive, Ramba Ral and his people would still be alive, the Black Tri Stars may be around at Odessa. Who knows if Amuro not being around to expose the traitorous general Elran may have resulted in a Federation lose at Odessa. Since Zeon followed the White Base to Jaburo, maybe the attack that ended up failing wouldn't have happened, or perhaps they would have discovered it anyway and launched a successful attack? If the war somehow turned around on Zeon anyway, all the ships and mobile suits that Amuro took out before the battle of Solomon would be present and who is going to handle the Big Zam? The New Type Corps is going to rampage around virtually unchallenged. It's hard to say what happens overall but the idea that the Gundam being not all that important is very wrong in my opinion.

So, basically, after the failure of Operation British and the early Zeon blitz, the Federation had enough resources to wear Zeon down using their then current weapons technology. The propaganda win of getting General Revil back from Zeon custody and his empassioned speech about Zeon's limitations for long-term warfare also had a big impact, rallying non-military combatants and possibly driving recruitment of the Federation's most important resource: human soldiers. The destruction of Sides 1, 2, and 4 were likely a tactical decision to destroy as many Federation human resources as possible using minimal resources. As a random aside, Fly Mantas are extremely useful in Gihren's Greed games before you get access to mobile suits, largely because they are cheap and work on air and ground targets.

I also have a soft spot in my heart for the Land Battleships! One of the coolest and under utilized vehicles in ALL gundam.

Recon units with the support logistics units who worked very hard to get information and support

Yeah, this is the starting plan when I play as the Feds in PS1 Gihren's Greed. If you mass produce them enough, they'll hold the ground just fine until you get your MS forces together. If I play as Zeon, I produce a Magella tank, separate the two portions, and "repair" them both to make two full Magella tanks, and then repeat. That way, I don't have to wait for the building time or building slots to open up. Instant battalion.

It’s awesome to see information of lesser known vehicles from the Gundam universe. Be cool if Bandai would come out with model kits of these lesser known vehicles

What stands out to me about the ol' Type 61 is the size of the guns, twin 150mm cannons! Reminds me of the Mammoth tanks from Command and Conquer.

Air supremacy was the deciding factor on the earth front. Zeon's Dopp, luggun and Gaw aircraft had poor aerodynamics. They were maneuverable but probably had poor energy retention and quickly overheated their engines constantly boosting in a dogfight. Being a fighter pilot on earth wasn't that bad unlike being a space fighter pilot. Countless fly manta and Saberfish pilots probably made ace status killing Dopps

The Type-61s really owe a big part of their success in Odessa to the Gundam. Amuro took out the Tri-Stars and eliminating Ramba Ral and Garma's Gaws while also disgracing Char definitely didn't do them any favors.

I love how the type 61 is just a cold war era tank design with an extra barrel, and the Deep Rog is just a ww2 era bomber cockpit with space capsule duct taped onto it.

I like when the type-61s ambushed the Zaku, it wasn’t like one or two, it was a whole bunch of tanks, sitting on the highway waiting for it’s prey

"Public carries anti-ship missiles" - So basically nukes? Because those are huge missiles, and ships are heavily armored.

Zeon: Let's usher in a new era of peace and liberty for all Spacenoids! Also Zeon: Let's leave space and invade Earth! Also also Zeon: Let's kill a bunch of Spacenoids and destroy a colony or two. Politics 1-01. God, I miss good writing. Side note: I do wonder if Tomino was aware of the vast mineral wealth Zeon could have easily controlled in space or if he thought Zeon had to go to Earth to get it.

There's 2 non-MS vehicles I like, one in the UC timeline & the other in an alternate universe. The 1st one is the Core Fighter bcoz it's modular & packs a punch w/ guns & missiles, & not bcoz it's an escape unit system 4 certain machines. The 2nd is the Skygrasper, while it fought on Earth in Gundam SEED, it reminds of a fictional space fighter from the game (& on the front cover of) Wing Commander Prophecy.

Great video and love that non MS unit help end the war faster and were important to the federation. Great video

Maybe the next list should be about the most competent UC commanders, cause you would have to be in order to coordinate the anti MS strategies used by the type 61 and other conventional weapons.

My favorite was the updated 61 from Igloo. That scene was amazing. One of the best.

Finally, I'm glad somebody shows that gundam was it always the main savior. Great video as always.😉👍

3:36 It took 7 Type 61's to take down a single Zaku? Isn't that like the WW2 myth it takes four Sherman's to take out a Tiger?

Another great vid, thanks!

I wonder if out of all the people over the decades who have watched Gundam, if at least any one viewer came for the robots and then decided their favorite was a non mobile suit/armor

ever since I saw your vid calling for a line of gundam vehicles/ships I can't stop thinking about it !!

You glorious bastard . You put the Y.G.H GX music over it !

The Core Booster is my favorite machine. And based on The 08th MS team they made A LOT of them. (note, it is the core booster fighter and not the Core Block With Booster) They are actually more powerful in the air than any mobile suit until maybe the time of Zeta gundam.

"120 ton of freedom" is the best phrase of this vid

Igloo showed a good amount of anti-MS fighting for sure. Truly, though, at least in head canon, I would think the Federation Navy served the greatest resistance to the Zeon in the early parts of the war. Until they finally had Amphibious mobile suits and subs and ships of their own, the Zeon lacked weapons for +60% of the Earth's surface. With surface to surface missiles and the airborne power you mentioned deployed from carriers to meet the Zeon from a distance, it's understandable why the war came to a ceasefire half way through the year.

The M61A5 MBT wasn't called the King of the Land for nothing.

I was hopping you bring up the AF-01 Mongoose, which is a ground attack aircraft with a 75mm anti-tank gun.

I’ sorry,but while you were talking about the Type 61 I just flashed back to the first mission of Zeonic Front where the tank driver was all “ohhhhhh crap it’s a Zaku!” 😅

I have an off topic question for the question of the week. In gundam unicorn what's the name of that EFSF ship that crashed into the mountain that neo zeon forces had been using for a base and how did they and the ship get there.

Oddly enough I like hearing about the non-mecha vehicles in mecha settings wars are rarely won by one machine alone and seeing how vehicles adapt to new war machines is interesting.

At least two or three of those machines appeared in Mobile Suit Gundam Crossfire on the PS3 and have on occasion screwed missions over by blowing up the supply base, delivering that last kill shot, destroying a limb, or actually shooting the gun out of your mobile suit’s hands. They’re a threat in Crossfire because of how fragile certain targets can be and the severity of taking damage in the game in general.

I still remember to this day where in the White Base campaign of Encounters In Space PS2 game the line "Public units, launching."

I can FEEL how much you loved the music choice you made for that sponsored segment.

In fact, the Depp Rog also had a gunship configuration and an experimental Flydart launching facilities.

Playing as some of these in GBO2 made me want to get their kits.

There's 2 ways to get a Type 61 model. A pair of 1/144 models come with the Ground War Set Zaku 2 and there's a larger kit, along the same scale as typical tank models at 1/35 scale, in the --EX-Model-- line. EDIT: It's the *Hard Graph* line, not EX-Model.

Can you do a video like this for Alternate universe machines Gorby 2 GN Arms when not equipped Gundam Wing transport ships Fuunsaiki, the best support mecha

2:36 - Ah yes, the Type 61 MBT... The bastard love child of the real-life M1 Abrams and the Apocalypse tank from the Red Alert game series... I wish it was a premium vehicle in World of Tanks or in War Thunder...

The Flydart has a really sweet design. I'd dig a model kit of one or more to go with my other Gunpla.

Thanks for the video

Was there ever an occasion of the federation using captured zakus in the early war period? It would only make sense, kinda like the germans lagely used second hand british tanks in WWl before they could produce their own designs. An outdated enemy suit is still better than none at all. Also as shown by zeta the feds were definately interested in adopting and expanding on the zaku series so l could definately see them at least comsidering it.

We're there more federation zaku's other than the one from Ms.Igloo? Ooohhh the core booster. I hope that we get a video on its variants and maybe including the g-fighter

Ahhh I remember that tank is snipe the zaku. So Damn cool.

I've always loved the FFB-7Bst; it just always struck me as a practical evolution of the original Core Booster, when mass-produced without the need for mobile suit compatibility.

Always thankful to the Infantry who fought mobile suits with rocket launchers for donating their Balls to the space force. Also fun fact the Ball has a higher acceleration than the Gundam. Boom and Zoom baby!

4:50 starscream 😂😅

I genuinely wonder how many people actually realize how little of a role Amuro, the Gundam, and the white base as a whole played in the federation's victory.

This video bring back my memory of HOI 4 One year war mod playing as the federation and the only thing that help me hold the line is the gigantic tank army with a bunch of meh to terrible commander (I am looking at you Jamitov) and dozen of 10 stack forts that I built to hold the line until the colony drop debuff go away.

Hope a developement on federation fighter jets comes at some point since brought them up.

imagine being a feddie ground soldier, pinned down by a zaku, accepting your last rites, before hearing the whirring of aircraft engines and instantly knowing that you're gonna be alright

The ball was a flying war crime.

This video made me think: if mobile suits were invented because minovsky particles made long-distance warfare impractical, and close range combat once again became the norm, then why did MS sensors have to be improved generation after generation? It seems superfluous considering how they were not expected to fight from long distances.

Infestus, heli, VTOL attack fighter, linear gun tank, linear artillery, Guul, Compact armored vehicle are my favorite cosmic era vehicles that get even less appreciated

Would love a new model kit line for non ms/ma. I think they would sell well for Gundam fans and those that are fans of tanks and planes. Easy money in my opinion

I have a question, why didn't the Federation make upscale tanks. I mean, why not make larger tanks with heavier cannons or at least heavy missile platforms that could support the mobile suites in the background at least.