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No, Kuma heat being insanely strong and him having ludicrously high damage while every option he has is a gimmick and unsafe makes him way more interesting. I’d so much rather have this Kuma than one who was rounded out to have a lot of good generic tools like Jin
I completely disagree with ur conclusion. I think it's the best and most perfect way they could've done it. He still can't move, he's still linear af(tho he has options now) and he's still a bear. If they gave him a better movement even if it's just a jack backdash I think it would "break" the character as the bears identity has always been they can't move cus they fat
I picked up Kuma as a secondary because I like the goofy style characters and Bob was not in the game. Yes, Kuma has a strong heat mode, but many of his tools are unsafe on block. The lack of movement means you have to eat pressure other characters can step combined with the chunky hurtbox that means the bear player will eat specific combos as you mentioned. Making him stronger overall would not be the wisest approach balance wise. I like characters with clear strengths and weaknesses
As a T8 Kuma main since day 1 I'm not gonna lie, you had me in the first half but fumbled the conclusion. You also failed to mention the majority of his moveset is pretty unsafe on block. Also Back 2>1 is such an amazing move being an amazing combo filler/wall carry as well as transition to bear stance OR roll from it.
If you could sidestep his heat smash it would make him much more manageable to fight. As you can step the bear EWGF. If you could step in the same direction it wouldn’t be as annoying and Kuma would be in a fine place. People don’t play Kuma for a “stable” game plan they play him to be a big ass bear. And now there are actual upsides to playing Kuma instead of just spamming gimmicks
I've seen other comments about how the video was good but the conclusion is something they disagree on. And I actually have to agree on that as well. I play kuma as a secondary and I feel like this is the best version of him overall, him having high damage and absurd tracking on some moves fits thematically cuz well he's a bear. And his weaknesses should always be the same such as poor sidestep and backdash. If you decide to balance him out by buffing his movement and lowering his dmg because of it, he's just gonna lose his identity overall I believe. Maybe you can nerf his wall combo damage or other things slightly but other than that he seems almost perfect currently.
I wholeheartedly disagree. If they took all the characters in the game and balanced them the way you prefer, all the characters would end up feeling similar but with different move sets. It's way more interesting to have characters like Kuma that feel like they have both extremes tied to one character than genetic shop where every character has a balance of strengths and weaknesses.
I disagree with your conclusion. The last thing we need is for characters to have their weak points bridged by way of buffs. They did that with Drag & look what happened. You said it at the beginning. Kuma & Panda are here to be funny. You take your cheesy wins & make your funny RU-vid compilations and that’s it. You’re not supposed to take the character seriously so giving them a bunch of actual tools would make them less funny, less gimmicky, and make them more like every one else; and Tekken already struggles with homogenization as it is.
I get where you’re coming from but I think I just meant I would rather the character was buffed more all around as opposed to the developers just buffing a couple things but making those things completely broken like kumas damage. I’m not saying remove every weakness but would have preferred if he got more smaller buffs as opposed to getting a few huge broken ones
@@BoogardThis is what I assumed you meant, but seems like it might have been possible to make it clearer. Full agree though, making their entire gameplan revolve around just a couple broken buffed options is much less interesting than giving more small buffs all around.
Bear main here. Not the greatest at the game but I find they have some funny magic in Tekken 8. Funny enough they feel like a lot of fun to me even without the bear electric and the heat smash. The butt hit at the wall is for sure busted though. The 111 is such an easy 3 hit string that comes out decently quick. I’m actually a bigger fan of the charge moves, like the big low paw sweep. The best? Definitely not. But I agree with the busted moves list. It feels dirty hitting someone with a bear electric who ducked like you would other electrics. The heat smash is an easy crutch to fall back on to reset distance or if you’re too lazy to hit your favorite combo too.
Like many of the comment said, this "lots of weaknesses and 2 redeeming qualities" is actually good design. Do we want a bear that sidesteps effortlessly or has good generic tools? Fuck no, it's a bear, keep it weird!
Who are you around where they don't talk about Kuma's chip damage? Everyone talks about Kuma's chip damage. It's like the most important part of his kit.
Very false information at 6:35. Special mid property is that it can be blocked even if you're crouched, so you can ACTUALLY block those s.mid while ducking...
Kuma is the epitome of a "Lethal Joke Character". Also, a bear fully trained in martial arts with human-level intelligence would be terrifying to fight in real life. Just saying.
I agree that the bears are a little over-tuned, but I think the design philosophy behind them remains intact and better than ever. In previous games Kuma just felt like a dumb bear with no real gameplay identity other than “be wacky and goofy haha”, and I think for sure needed a shakeup. Kuma in Tekken 8 feels more like an actual character. In 2d fighting games the typical grappler archetype is a character that has no movement and high damage, and I love playing those characters as do many others, so what’s the problem having that archetype in Tekken? As a disclaimer I don’t play bears, I main Kazuya, but I want to secondary them for sure :)
You know whats annoying? The fact that peta prohibited roger from being in future tekkens. By all means kangaroos are some of the most adept when it comes to maneuvering themselves and attacking. They really tried to say a human beating up a kangaroo is animal abuse. Bruh a kangaroo can break your ribcage with one swift drop kick, on top of having powerful punches, one of the only animals that actually PUNCH. by that logic why are they okay with kuma and panda (bc beard are stronger than humans was their logic). Really dumb stuff lol
Good video 👍I will say I personally would have a very different perspective on how to balance fighting games in that I would like to have more diverse characters some with very distinct strengths and weaknesses but that works so much better in games with smaller casts because having to learn 40 super distinct matchups would be a complete nightmare and not remotely fun. I like having distinct characters but you really can’t have a lot in a single game so I do agree that in a game that already has a lot of characters like tekken there shouldn’t be matchups that are this polarizing because it’s just simply unfun for people who aren’t going to lab the matchup
I think the stance throw being unbreakables already not cool, but it should EITHER destroy gray HP, or gives d1+2, not both, but the chargeable EWGF is CRAZY
"that means you cannot duck it let me repate that this is an electric that you cant duck and will launch you on crounch " BRO you can duck block it BRO time 6.50
Yeah I mentioned that when I said it’s a special mid. When I said you can’t duck it I meant that you can’t duck and punish like you do for normal electrics. If you block it crouching you’re still -5, thus the main counter play to electrics was removed for kuma
if qcf4 Dragunov stays..... these can stay xD and i think it's kind of fine.... so far i usually see that Kuma's tend to use up their Heat very fast... they enter heat fast and end it fast.. so it kind of gives me the reassurence of the adv of me having heat when he does now. Also he is REALLY weak to quick ch tools and can struggle a lot against good pokes... but may that's a Jin/Steve thing for me
Kuma is just insane in tekken 8 the bears are notorious for being awful in almost every game except for one game the fact this character has the best wall damage in the entire game is dumb as they haven’t nerfed his 1 plus 2 which is the bear butt move at the wall cause the move is for some reason unscaled.
I highly doubt Kuma/Panda would be a good character if they had more fundamental tools cuz bro these bears cant move for shit like their only good point is they do bonkers damage for the cost of litrerally being a 2.5D character as well as being the victims of the most absurd high damaging combos in the game due to their hitboxes the bears literally have one thing good for them and its doing shit loads of damage (and it makes sense too cuz UR FIGHTING A DAMN BEAR)
No, please, no. No more "good overall", "symmetrically balanced" or "standardized" chars - the *LAST* thing Tekken needs is other Jins, one is already disgraceful enough. Characters should have pronounced strengths and weaknesses, it's one of the main things that forms an identity, and since T7, many have kinda lost it. And honestly speaking, the whole standardization approach of "give everyone a good i12 and a hopkick, and make everything -14" was the epitome of lazyness, and it continues in T8. Kuma's balancing is one of the least lazy ones, simply because it actually weighs his absurd damage and great heat, against his tragic mobility, poking and decent punishment, to create a flawed but solid Mid tier char, and one that will stay there no matter how the world shapes around him. You could argue that some of his advantages or shortcomings are a little "too pronounced", but his core design should be as it is, and more chars should be balanced this way. PS: Special mids cannot be ducked and launched, but can be blocked while crouching or standing.
Your suggestion of giving the bears generic tools is bad because if you give them too much it goes against the design philosophy of the character. It would be another yoshimitsu problem also every character has to be different not similiar to each other this is why I hate when people say just give x character a lunching df2 thats 15 like someone like steve your taking away his identity if you do its like having different options and strong points are fun but I do agree his damage needs to be nerfed
I find quite alot of Boogard's takes are actually terrible. Though they often feel intentional to garner comment engagement. Do what works. But it often feels like an extensive Reddit post converted into a video format, instead of text.
Exactly...Kuma and Jack main here since t7... This vid is some bs lol... He's calling every Kuma move broken but not mentioning the other 100 negatives of his having no as, bsckdash, unsafe ass strings... Kumas best move is b1 and while running 1+2.. I'm not even gonna get started on this vid lol. Smh
