The situation hasn't changed. We still have this hostage situation going on. Life sentence usually means 20 years or so. Our hopes are that he'll see his family again before Christmas 2027.
@@SirReginaldBlomfield1234 Still do that at Santa Pod. It's cooler this weekend, so I'll be on the startline in LONG flamable trousers and a flamable hat to keep me warm. Hope you are OK with that. H&S gone mad in F1.
I wish we had full access to radio communications during this time. Would have loved to hear what both Alonso and Hamilton had to say about all the stuff that was going back and forth during this qualifying.
I think the team didn't release audio and that's what the penalty was for. I bet there was some crazy shit going on, and Alonso was sick of taking it. Otherwise it would have just been too risky, to wait and maybe miss the line himself.
Alonso said that he left when they gave him the OK over the radio, to avoid traffic on the track. He also commented in a Spanish media that he himself thought that he would not have time to do one last lap. It must be remembered that Alonso crossed the finish line with 0.6 seconds left to finish Q3.
I‘ve been there. My first F1 race in person. Two things I remember vividly: 1. F1 cars screamed like demons back then 2. no one on the grand stand really knew what was going on in that pit stop. Pure confusion everywhere. This was before smartphones and livetickers were available to everyone.
Just to add some context for the peps who weren’t around. Every other race they would take turns on who went out first. This was during the refueling which made qualifying really damn cool, you never knew how much fuel other peps would carry. You qualified with fuel for the first stint of the race. On this occasion LH was supposed to qualify after FA, meaning FA would run his Q3 lap at the end of Q3. Due to fuel, track wearing in this gave the last person to qualify a little extra time. At the beginning of Q3 LH left the garage BEFORE FA and parked his car at the end of the pits, the lights were still Red. So FA pulls his car right next to LH cuz it was FA turn NOT LH. That is why FA held position in the pits and LH didn’t have time for another lap. 😂
What Alonso did was childish and pathetic. Because a rookie has been beating you all season and you can't take it your going to impede him just to beat him. Wow act your fucking age Alonso.
Complete nonsense, Hamilton went out when his team let him out. Alonso was slow to get out and was initially behind kimi as well. Hamilton did nothing wrong in this instance. Mostly everything you said about the qualifying process is bunk.
And whatever side of the garage you choose, I think we all agree this is still by far the best F1 session since... well, since then. Not to mention properly sized cars.
Even in 2007, Kimi was the better driver. He won the most. He was the fastest. He made the lesser mistakes. He did not have the better car. Kimi is a true champion.
It didnt costed him anything, the team was working already against him. Its clear they put him used hard tyres to not make a good enough time. hence why the discussion and lost time happened afterwards. The game was rigged from the start, they got him on mclaren just to control him. Thing is they faced someone who didnt bow down.
Apparently, ever since the different fuel strategies of the two cars played its part in causing turmoil between McLarens drivers and the team at Monaco, a policy of equal fuelling has been adopted. This was supposed to be the solution to tensions arising from two deeply competitive drivers fighting each other for the world championship, both hyper-sensitive to any perceived disadvantage against the other. But to make it truly equal requires very specific choreographing during the fuel burn-off phase of final qualifying, so that each driver completes the maximum number of burn-off laps in the time available before they bolt on their sets of new tyres and go for it, the car behind has to lap slower than the car in front in order to build up the necessary gap required when they stop, so the first car can be serviced and sent on its way before the second one arrives. This is necessary so that they are not running too close to each other when they are doing their qualifying runs, as this would disadvantage the guy behind because of the aerodynamic turbulence of the guy in front, but the guy running the burn-off laps slower will use less fuel because he can do his target lap time by running fewer revs. So to keep things equal, the team take this into consideration. The guy running ahead in the burn-off is given enough extra fuel so that by the time they come to do their qualifying runs they weigh the same or as near as its possible to make it. At Hungary it was Alonsos turn to be the guy in front and so he was fuelled slightly heavier. But it was the slightly lighter car of Hamilton that got down to the end of the pit lane first. Hamilton was reminded he should move aside for Alonso once out on the track. But he said ‘no.’… Starting with a lighter fuel load and running a fast pace, he was guaranteed to have a lighter car by the time they each did their qualifying laps. It was a bit disingenuous, against what hed been asked to do by the team, and hed tricked himself an advantage. He was fighting this guy for the world championship and the team would just have to lump it. Alonso, of course, was furious. Instantly realising hed been had, he instead switched his focus not to pole position which now seemed unwinnable but to trying to beat Hamilton on race strategy instead. He deliberately did his fuel burn laps very slowly and economically. Having started slightly heavier and now having used less fuel too, he would maybe be able to save enough to run an extra lap up to the first pit stops. This might be enough to overcome the advantage of the pole that Lewis looked likely to get. Because the originally intended order at the end of the burn-off had been Alonso-Hamilton, Alonsos pre-assigned tyres had been stacked ahead of Hamiltons and so Alonso was brought in a lap earlier than planned so that the tyres didnt need to be moved around. With Hamilton continuing to do his original allocation of laps, this put Alonso ahead of Hamilton in the pits. At the first stop there was a delay, bringing Hamilton closer than ideal to Alonso. They each then did their first flat-out Q3 qualifying laps and each returned for their final tyre change. Alonso was held for 20 seconds as the team found him the ideal gap in the traffic. The lollipop was lifted and Alonso was free to go. But, seeing Hamilton stacked behind him in his mirrors, he realised a golden opportunity for revenge had fallen into his lap. He knew how long he needed for an out-lap to arrive at the start/finish line to begin his flying lap just before the session ended and he knew how many seconds of the session were left because he has a display showing that on his steering wheel. So he waited an extra 10s, just long enough to ensure hed still get there in time but Lewis wouldnt. The rest is history.
Both ego’s learned a lesson that year. Never underestimate or bully a rookie and don’t demand things in the team behind a champions back. Someone else will eventually say ”thank you very much” and drive off into the sunset with the title.
07 was one of the best seasons,imo the two best drivers ever as teammates racing for Mclaren, great v8s not quite the glorious v10s from years prior, stacked grid with so many champs & future world champs,peak F1
Someone here commented Dennis took the trainer as a hostage, which you can see on the video. I think he is still being held, but I have got no means to verify this. If so, he must have heart issues now for sure.
Probably in the next major design shift, when Merc can again outspend everyone to the tune of 800 million dollars and hide it in their books somewhere.
I met both Alonso and Hamilton during this time whilst doing a promo for the Mercedes Black series at MB World Woking, Alonso was charming as was Hakkinen, Hamilton proved on more than one occasion what an ego maniac he was. He's the most important thing in his world.
Did you fr 😀😀??that's fantastic, I don't why people say Alonso is toxic, many in paddock talks more nice of him, even young drivers hang out with more. (😁☝️padel)
You can notice that Damon Hill actually finds it hard to hide his admiration for that Alonso gambit. And it's true, you have to to admire the sang-froid and tenacity to pull that off in the middle of Q3 because he still had to be quicker in that final lap so he put massive pressure on himself there. Gotta respect Alonso, but wouldn't you hate it to have him as your teammate.😂
Without Alonso put up his own team (McLaren) with spygate... That tells me, he can't beat on track Hamilton, he is tried it on the other way, he failed. And then ruined his own future, not winning any championship in F1 again.
Well he would have been. He would have qualified at worst 2nd and most likely would have finished 1st or 2nd, instead of 4th. An extra 3 points would have won him the championship. A lot of ifs and buts in 2007, but this is a big one.
The video doesn´t explain why Alonso felt he had to do it. Why did they put old used tires on his car and new ones were set for Hamilton? He was entitelled to new tires aswell but Ron Dennis wanted Hamilton in front at any cost. Talk about letting racers race.
The tires of this era were quite different than today. Depending on the track, tires with a wear of 3 or 4 laps were quicker than brand new tires. In fact, in some races they even decided not to change tires because they thought a brand new set would make the car slower. In the race where Hamilton threw away his 2007 championship, he decided not to change his tires at the first stop. This decision caused him the race - and at the end the championship as well.
@@Darude453 not true.the brand new set on the previous attempt was what gave Hamilton the best lap when the pole had been set by alonso earlier. Also on new tires. Besides,it is known that at the time Alonso explained that he did what he did because he was expecting a new set that they never gave him in two pit changes. And he realised ( and it is notiçable in this same video ) that he realises tgey are preparing a new set for hamilton that he thought were fir him. If you watch closelly you will see the team member gesturing to him tbose were not for him. Tbats when he realises hamilton is behind him and knows he is being screwed over. Another thing you ca see in this same video is when the reporters tell the audience tbere is nothing on the regulations that says he cannot do that. Its a team thing. But Ron Dennis demmanded Eclestone that Alonso should be punished. Thats all known fact
You’ve ,issued the plot here completely.. qualifying sessions in 2007 so,times meant within a team could have 3 runs and one could have 2.. the team rotated this advantage and Hamilton ignored the rotation the previous event.. Alonso was in revenge mode
@@nikoherkules BS!!! FA’s Fizzeo counted the time back to FA. Do you think they pulled that out of their arse in the middle of a Q3 stop??? NO, LH was a right prick when he was young. I hated him for a while. But know LH, FA have about the best race craft including MS. How many times did MS crash or park his car on the track during qualifying!?! FA wiped the floor with MS!!!
Ron Dennis was a charlatan and an idiot, and threw away a legitimate championship with his clueless management Hire the defending champion and then play mind games with him? The disrespect was unreal Not like they’d stay successful, they would get ONE more, and just barely sneak it over the line
Few know that that day Mclaren put the harder tire on Alonso's car to put Hamilton in advantage on Ron Dennis' request. Fernando raced against his own team that year
He got a penalty for this, was moved back 5 places in the grid for the start, and came 4th in the race. Hamilton moved up to poll position and won the race. Alonso screwed himself. He also screwed the team, which were prevented getting constructor points over the incident (a penalty for the team pretending it wasn't Alonso's choice to stay longer in the pits). So the team got punished trying to keep Alonso out of trouble. This marked the beginning of the end for Alonso and Mclaren. The pit stall was a disastrous decision. And bad sportsmanship.
I think a lot of people in this comment section dont realize there was more to this situation. I think many just think he is trying to steal a pole, but this was more about standing up for himself.
McLaren hired the defending world champion only to turn against him Idiotic team management, if you weren’t going to back Alonso, WHY HIRE HIM I don’t even like Alonso but fucking hell that annoys me It would be like if McLaren signed fucking Verstappen only to piss him off and give Piastri preferential treatment. Makes no sense 🤦🏻♂️
@@davidg.2190Pathetic excuse and incredibly unprofessional and childish from Alonso. Go do your lap and allow your teammate to do the same thing. Best man wins at the end of the day. Alonso sabotaged his own chances of winning the world championship. Karma is a bitch eh?……
@@al1356 Tried to cheat? 😅 Hamilton was the one who tried to screw Alonso by not following the team procedure. There was a lot going on there.. Was Alonso given old tyres? I also read on RaceFans that Ron was telling Alonso to hold up Hamilton. And then he only got the penalty because McLaren wouldn't release the audio of what was said, probably because it would've amounted to team orders, which weren't allowed at the time.. 🤔 Either way, he got screwed there, and it cost him his 3rd title..
I don’t remember where I read this but someone did some math and if Alonso hadn’t blocked Hamilton and gotten a penalty. And the rest of the season went how it did in the history books. Alonso more than likely would’ve been a 3 time champion winning by a couple points to Kimi.
@@Hamilton8timeChampion your user name shows your immediate bias which means I already know how you feel about Alonso. I don’t care about this conversation brodie
@@enigmatic13465 alonso my opinion of him is a race by race basis for example i like him one race and want to punch him next but he is a legend of F1 and someone of i have respect for but in this instance he was being a child
This should never have been penalized as harshly as it was, moreso when in 21 Hamilton did the same thing ON THE CIRCUIT to hold up Max. This was clever, and there was no rule about sitting in the box at the time. Just as with the whole season, Ron Dennis made this worse than it was.
Hahaha Alonso in GOAT mode, against Hamilton, Hamilton Crew, McLaren (the whole team), maFIA and british world! Best driver ever (too bad the fact he’s spanish, the eternal enemy of Britain 😂)
You know what is the Spanish wet dream? If McLaren retained De La Rosa for 2007 alongside Alonso Alonso would have won 2 titles in a row at McLaren, that would have been insane
Still dont know why he didnt just stall the car? Prost proved in '93 how easy it is to do. A lot harder to prove he stalled intentionally rather than just sitting there.
Yeah, Ron Dennis really messed up an easy WDC for Fernando in 2007. He got some revenge in 2008 but this should have been a much better decade in McLaren F1 history
The only time in the history of F1 that a team has prostested against their own driver. The FIA would not have got involved unless Ron Dennis had demanded his own driver was investigated and penalised... this didn't just cost Alonso the world championship, it also cost McLaren a drivers world championship in a year where they had been screwed over by the FIA due to spygate, which was never worth the biggest sporting penalty in history... so they cost themselves salvaging something from 2007 too.
@@LewytheflyBut somehow he burned bridges at every possible occasion throughout his F1 career, not just at McLaren. (Aston being an exception - perhaps he realized his days in F1 are slowly coming to an end)
Balls of steel? More like brains of sh1t. This stunt, and the well deserved penalty, cost him the world drivers championship that year. If he wasn’t such a coward and too afraid to fight fair with a rookie, he’d have been far better off.
@@WipeoutFPV what is dirty? Is that against the regulations? That was an internal issue, same as Lulu not complying with internal agreement to take turns for the extra lap. Now wasn't that dirty. What was outrageous was that stupid, baseless and unprecedented penalty.
I don’t think there was anything wrong with that in terms of the rules, I think drivers are not obligated to move out of the way unless the car behind is on a lap. Considering they were both in the pits, I think that, while a dick move, it’s part of racing, very much like how you aggressively defend against rivals and get the elbows out to squeeze them off the track. Nothing wrong by the rules, just competition and rivalry.
I never thought I would say this in my life, as I've always been a V-10 fan, but damn, I even miss the V-8s compared to the leaf blowers they drive now.
This was a terrible situation for McLaren. It was instigated by Lewis, refusing to yield to Fernando at the start of qualifying (part of a convoluted system in which the team alternates who heads out of the pits first from race-to-race), it was supposed to be Fernando ahead of Lewis in Q1 Hungary. By Q3, Alonso still obviously hacked-off blocks Hamilton in the pits, as we saw. To make matters worse, late after quali had finished, Anthony Hamilton (Lewis' dad) went to the stewards and lobbied them to penalise Alonso - which they did. And if all that wasn't enough, the following morning Alonso allegedly threatened both Dennis & Whitmarsh that if they didn't short fuel Lewis for the race as a penalty, he would go to the FIA and expose the Ferrari documentation they had acquired from Nigel Stepney. It was a gruesome situation to which both the Hamilton's and Alonso behaved appallingly. I do not look back at this with fondness.