The Untold AGONY That Came With EMIYA's Arm 

I’m noticing a sad pattern when it comes to Shriou’s character with ufotable

Plus the fact he lost so much is what hurts the most when he sees Ilya sacrificing herself and breaks down yelling her name over and over.

I think the rushed ending, for both HF and Solomon is the more outrageous one. Important information is skipped because of the damn timelimit. Fate should stick to Seasonal format. I take bad animation over, than leaving essential information out.

@@ObviousHUN Same. I don't understand why this had to be a trilogy. For the life of me, why 3 movies? Didn't they literally make 8 movies for KnK when they were a starting studio, had less budget and experience? I appreciate the great animation but honestly coming from the novel I'd rather have great storytelling than great action scenes, unfortunately Ufotable when it comes to Fate thinks otherwise.

@@ahmeterkal3211 It was like a 3 times to conformation for me to go “Huh they’re just not trying to make Shirou’s internal character clear for anime only audience”

He's... he's starting to take up enough jobs to rival Johnny...

And don't forget a world-class runner! He's able to run 50km/hr (31 miles/hr)

The power of super spicy mapo tofu

He's also a cook, a babysitter, and an accountant.

He's also probably into BDSM for obvious reasons

Everything went right when he won the war

EMIYA is Shirous strongest version of himself so all of EMIYAs feats are what Shirou can do at his peak so getting clapped by Cu,Herc,Kojiro,Artoria and Medusa 😂

@@erenkruger5760 lmao on ignoring that fate matchups are never simple and can have more than one result unlike DBZ. Besides, EMIYA without master support can still clap Heracles more than most servants, and clap Kojiro, Arturia, and Medusa just as many times as they can him(or more, really). Extraverse also reminds people why Fate is still more than just rock paper scissors.

@@darknessknows1235 still got clapped by the servants I mentioned For extraverse nameless is not the same as EMIYA and also EMIYA and Tamamo is not a canon choice for that since Nero is the canon servant considering Last Encore a sequel to a bad ending has Nero in it

@@erenkruger5760 I've never seen such a LMAO take before. Imagine looking at the Fate universe and suddenly deeming a portion non canon. What, next you're gonna say that FSN is no longer canon because Apocrypha exists. Please educate yourself on the meaning behind multiverse lmao.

Ikr? Nasu does a great job into making you feel in Shirou's shoes. It's less like a coma and more like he's doing all these things consciously but when he's done he forgets all about it, and IMO it's way scarier that way than just losing consciousness. It really is a terrifying moment for the reader, it's like actively losing and taking back control of your grip of reality, only to lose it again in a cycle that deteriorates your brain more, and (maybe) unintentionally makes you experience how Alzheimer's is kind of like.

That was one of the scariest parts for me i literaly feelt shivers ...amazing!

ufotable is a pure trash studio. They can't into art, they can't into music, they can't into writing and thay can't into character relationships. And their animation is nothing but 3D trash with flashy effects and crazy camera movement. They're the epitome of the soulless meme.

Forget meguka, being Shirou is literally suffering

@@darkartsninja Subaru Natsuki: first time?

@@amayaproductions1711 talk about diavolo in jojo or kars

@@stupidbodoh597 jojo mid

@@stupidbodoh597 Well, considering multiverse or nasuverse theory, all bad ends are canon and non-canon until stated. So in a way, shirou is diavolo.

Another great moment taken out

@@deuce5546 the choices in heaven's feel destroyed me.

@@deuce5546 Yeah. Even though it has been years since I read the VN, Rin's reaction if you pick Illya still amuses me to this day.

One of the hardest choices in the VN including when they made you choose if you wanna punch Shinji or not.

@@kennichigatchalian6710 that was the easiest one. Punch that asshole

There was a part where the arm batted away kirei's hand when he tried to help but shirou looked confused after he did it. The arm knows that kirei is full of it lol

@@TsiahIV Archer out here like "I may just be an arm but you're still catching these hands"

@@sumohamsters200 that mf archer was like “these hands rated P for Priests!”

Lmao that got me

​@@TsiahIV Frankly, I absolutely hate and Despise the UBW Route, as well as Rin Tohsaka and Archer himself.

interesting take, might have to do a video on this

@@TsiahIV Seriously though we are talking about the same person who gave Rin the knife he killed her farther with.

god heaven's feel was too good for it's own right, such a shame that nasu pussied out from the original normal ending

Yeah it's kind of like how Illya's death could have been so much more impactful if she had actually had scenes in this trilogy.

@@deuce5546 Can't blame Ufo though. All movies have a time limit to how long they can play in the cinema. If it surpass that limit, then it can't be aired. Same thing happened to Justice League, which is why the first version is 2 hours long while the Snyder's cut is 4 hours long

@@CroakingBroking Okay but why did it have to be movies tho

I think they could have made 4 movies easily, considering Kara no Kyoukai was 8 or so

@@deuce5546 Cuz movies make more money. Other than the money they get from ticket sales the Bluerays and DVDs for movies sell way more. UBW sold 43k units while both Heaven's Feel movies sold more than 100k units each. When you count that both HF movies have also made more than $19 million worldwide each (which is huge for movies based on/building on existing anime TV shows) it's easy to see why they'd decide that they wanted to cash in a little more. Releasing as a TV show and the revenue from streaming isn't going to match that. Fate was already pretty popular before but UBW and (especially) Zero did most of the advertising as accessible TV shows to reach a wide audience (including newcomers) and the HF movies were probably made to cash in on the popularity.

Thats the arm they beat with

@@EliyahDaBoss kek

He doesn't, it's a whole new body, so none of the magic circuits he had in his previous body get passed over. This also goes for Archer's arm as the power only came from that arm. They explain the magic circuits part in the epilogue iirc.

@@deuce5546 Oh OK I gotcha, thanks friend!

@@tatocezar1 nope touko made the body and he still have the dong wahahahahaha

@@deuce5546 The magic circuits are in the soul not the body, it was mentioned in the end of HF true ending He is still able to use his magic but he is very damaged from the arm

Rin says in the true ending (another dialogue cut from the VN) that Shirou with enough practice can use and master Unlimited Blade Works so he can still project in that body.

I mean its like puting a RTX 3080 TI on a PC with a low budget font and not expect it to explode

@@NamelessCth This is probably the most appropriate comparisons of Archer arms 😅

Even though the transplant comes from your future self with same circuits and all.

@@NamelessCth As well as putting imcopatible pieces together and expect the computer to not bug the fuck out

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"If im gonna suffer hell, atleast let me be able to use powers in exchange"

25 times?!

Oh no

@@elgatto3133 up to 81 now

@@MajorLawliet Okay makes sense, but hypoethitcally speaking is there a way where Shirou could increase the rest of his body's strength to match that of Emiya's arm so that he can avoid death or is it like a certain thing.

@@MajorLawliet Its always the bitches preventing him from thriving, feels bad.

@@joecroft4274 It was a certain thing. As Shirou said, the UBW cointained in Archer's arm was imcopatible with him on a fundamental level, so the death by skewering would've happened sooner or later. The only way he could've survived is to just cut the thing off.

@@jackmesrel4933Yeah that makes more sense, I feel like the only way that he could've survived with the arm is for him to speedrun Archer's torment and journey within 13 years. Which isn't really possible but if he wanted to keep the arm he would in essence have to become archer.

id say kalied is strongest shirou

How do we know its his peak.

Peak shirou is muramasa vessel not archer

@@spiralspural8806 That is not Shirou instead that is Sengo Muramasa possessing the body of Shirou Emiya.

Kaleid Shirou is stronger than post UBW and post FATE Shirou but slightly more better than HF Shirou because of HF demerit that killing him if he didn't have the debuff would be equal in strength and skill. Emiya is a template for every Shirou that reach servant status. When I mean Archer Emiya I mean Nameless from the Extra series that is peak Shirou . A good contender is FGO Emiya which might still be actually Nameless lol. EMIYA Alter I would say he stronger than normal Emiya but not as powerful as peak Emiya still pretty cool np tho. Counterforce Emiya is the strongest because that is pretty much Shirou on crack with Alaya boosting his parameters and giving him enough mana depending on the situation to deal with threats but only the appropriate amount. Let say the threat possesses an amount of power equal to X(like True Ancestors), then the Counter Force will deploy an amount of power just enough to snuff out X and eliminate the threat. The amount of power can be as small as nudging individuals into place through "coincidences", but it can also be as great as sinking an entire continent.

Mash was created from birth to be one. Her body was made with a set expiration date and modified so she could handle the output of the spirit. She was also supposed to have a very detached or in existent sense of self, allowing the spirit to take more control. However Romani meddled and taught her what being human means, however he could in his own limited understanding. That is why Mash is capable of being herself as a Demi-servant, while Strange Fake Ishtar is just Ishtar, while Sieg struggles to be human at all. Gray is more explored in Case Files. Her case is similar to Shirou in HF where her body is being taken over by another being. In her case the more certain conditions occur, the closer she becomes to being King Arthur, and losing her own individuality as Gray. And Sieg’s biggest issue has to do with the Spirit that merged with him since Siegfried is cursed to become Fafnir.

@@lenleon3699 I know all of this tbh i just thought it would be a great video and the problem with Demi-Servants or moreso using a Living being as the vessel for a Servant. Mash was born modified to contain Galahads Power without complete Self Destruction and loss of Fighting ability, Gray similarly was born to withstand the influences of Artoria Pendragon and be able to use the Holy Lance. With Shriou and Sieg they are Demi-Servants through operation and transplanting a Servants organ/limb to the physical form this is practically suicide due to the Servant would bleed over into the person, one thing that seperates the two is the fact that Sieg has his Siegfried powers blocked from his persona via Command seals which theoretically would allow him to live somewhat of a normal life (except he is still being corroded by Siegfried and Fafnir) and Shirou is wearing a Shroud to isolate the arm from his magical circuits, only because he is a novice and cannot block the arms influence without help.

I imagine it's like having a prosthetic being powered by the electrical impulses in your nervous system. Only, the prosthetic comes equipped with a fabricator and an onboard AI that deems it necessary to override the host to better bring out efficiency.

It does make sense to an extent as Sieg wasn't really human. And using the full extent of his power was killing him.

@@louis-stephane1391 that made as much sense as if you shove Heracles heart to Illya she'll be able to transform to Heracles. Or if you shove Saber heart to Iri she can become Saber. Can you imagine that? Well thanks to Apo now you can! Einzbern is an idiot and should've made super hommunculus soldier instead by shoving servant heart left and right. As context Illya and Iri is way way more superior Hommunculus than whatever Musik can make with scrap technique they stole from Einzbern. However no matter how superior they are as hommunculus they're nothing compared to servant. It is impossible for them to receive a transplant from even third rate servant and not somehow suffer a backlash from the organ invasion. Much less receive a dragon heart from first rate servant. Why? Because it's been established before in Shirou case. The reason why the Archer transplant is great plot point is due to how severe the backlash is on Shirou yet he march forward nonetheless. Now sieg made him looks dumb. I mean come on!! It's Fafnir heart!! Fafnir should've eroded Sieg like archer arms to Shirou, THEY EVEN SHOW THAT THE HEART HAS PERSONALITY just like Archer arm!! For fuck sake. But no, Sieg will boom became a dragon and Fafnir will say "Yas Queen" and just concede the whole body to Sieg.. fuck that shit Narita done my boy Fafnir dirty

@@JeSt4m Iri and illya purpose is to be the grail so obviously it won't work on them. While I do agree with most of what you said. I found the symbolic of the transplant to be good because sieg had no identity and was granted one. It was similar (to me) to tsubasa reservoir chronicle. I hated the asspull I saw afterwards of course but I still feel that the transplant was a good plot point

@@louis-stephane1391 and sieg is just literal human battery. Neither of them are servant vessel material and neither should be able to became servant. Until apocrypha that is. Either way I don't really have problem with the general plot Apo wanted to tell. The concept of servant transplant by itself is not unheard of and it can be interesting. And contrary to what I sounds before I believe that Sieg being hommunculus made him somewhat able to take on Siegfried heart is the most convincing aspect of this plot point. My problem is how apo decided to do that. All the BS centered around Sieg has huge repercussion on how we interpet previous and latter works in Nasuverse going forward. And they did it terribly. For example they can make it so that Gordlof actually make heart surgery on Sieg under threat by Astolfo. I mean GORDOLF IS ALREADY THERE FFS!! Or that each time Sieg transform he got eroded by Fafnir, maybe becoming more violent, or weird or whatever. Well anyway I understand that we're both agreed that Sieg is just generally badly written character. I just want to vent my frustration

@@JeSt4m Apocrypha wasn't written by Narita thank god, Narita wrote the infinitely better Strange Fake

He is one of the strongest mages around but not one of the best at all. It's been stated time and time again that he is a 3rd rate magus because of his over specialization and mages normally being more like scholars and professor instead of fighters and combatants.

@@dragonized9758 fair enough I mean most mages or horrible people anyway I don't think shirou would be able to agree with half the stuff they do in the pursuit of there goals.

@@lordblackstar3272 So true, most mages don't have any morals and would do anything to reach their goal, the best way I know how to describe it is "They would sacrifice even a baby if it will push their research even just a millimeter". Of course there are also those with a moral and are only shaded but not monster like Rin, Waver, Luvia, etc.

He’s not really a mage. He can only do like three spells and relies on his reality marble.

I guess it makes sense he became a servant he may not as strong as a lot of servants but a lot more like them than a mage. Also I just realized he stopped the creation of a beast of humanity even tho he's a noob with like three spells and a reality marble. Give this man a trophy cause he has masted EX rank BS he somehow beats demi god's, kings and stopped angria all while pulling all the girls.

Fate Shirou and Miyuverse Shirou too. The beauty of Emiya Shirou.

It wasn't particularly epic :(

Kinda annoying though. It's the entire point behind the arm to begin with.

Happens all throughout the VN. Any time he fights on par with any servant he's pushing his body beyond his limits and getting f#cked up just to hold his own on the level those servants can fight on as their regular standard.

The animation don't really carry how gritty and how much suffering Shirou puts himself through in most of his fights sadly.

That's why you should read the vn. The anime are a great example of an adaptation failing the source material while looking competent(hat's putting it mildly) superficially since they technically follow the plot of the VN fairly closely (ufo does at least), but they still barely resemble the source material in so many ways because there's so much more than just the basic plot skeleton that they do not try to replicate or even cannot replicate.

I would add HF's three potential endings are such remarkable stuff. Satisfying but heartbreaking on defeating Saber before his death, Illya's line before she sacrificed herself for Shirou, and Sakura's ignorance of her beloved Senpai's death before she screamed for him.

I like HF Shirou the most because he's the most vulnerable I think. It really makes me empathize with him. Unlike Fate or UBW he loses Saber fairly early, he also loses Archer midway through the travel, instead of being protected he has to PROTECT someone this time (two people actually, Sakura and Illya), Tohsaka turns her back on him for a while because of Sakura, Sakura herself is the whole reason this is happening so he feels the guilt and responsability for allowing her to live, the only servant with him is on Sakura's side and doesn't really care about him (at first), he's so helpless and alone he has to rely on his mortal enemy Kirei and he's being led around and lied to by Zouken who's behind all this madness.

@@MrInuhanyou123 I say it's more 50/50 tbh. They've got each others' backs. I don't think there's a moment where Shirou is onesidedly protecting Saber, except maybe under the bridge fighting Gilgamesh

l prefer me Chaos Theory Shirou

oh no, the rabbit hole I can't escape since 2017 🤣

The movies were seriously rushed in all honesty. A shame since it’s the fan favorite route in the VN.

@@calebgoodman3028 Actually that would be UBW

@@r.k845 Really? Most of the VN readers I saw including myself consider Heaven’s Feel the best. UBW has the best anime though.

@@calebgoodman3028 It’s ties essentially. HF actually still has the better anime surprisingly.

@@r.k845 That’s really strange to hear. The anime rushed so much of Heaven’s Feel’s story and changed some details unnecessarily so I am surprised to hear that.

I mean how would he be world famous hero in the first place when he has to hide his magic?

@@ARandomGuy24 that i know the answer not to, but that is why i said i wanted to know what he would be like

@@finnanimations1334 Probably a bit cynical but still chasing his dream in a grim determined way. Archer didn't turn back on his dream at the time of his death but after years of being a counter guardian and Nameless died content after being framed for war crimes and hanged by people he saved.

Archer died after cutting off his arm to save Shirou, after which Shirou becomes what you could consider a "pseudo-servant." Not like Mash in Grand Order where the power was granted through magical means, but on a literal physical level. As for Archer coming back through Shirou's body, I'd say it's not very plausible. As explained in the video, Shirou died in the bad ending of HF after projecting Excalibur and destroying the grail. In the real ending, Shirou's body completely destroyed itself (something about his body becoming swords), and he would've died had Illiya not created a puppet of his original body and transferred his soul into it.

@@MacBEASTyo23 Corrections: 1_ It's not the bad ending, it's the normal ending. The bad endings are whenever Shirou dies (or something as bad/worse happens). 2_ Illya only used Heaven's Feel to transfer Shirou's soul to Rin's pendant that he had on him, Sakura and Rin then found the pendant and met with a puppet maker (who is a character in Tsukihime) who made the body for Shirou.

Extremely kino

Only Rin and Illya know in HF. Illya cuz she’s the grail and she also knew in the Fate route and Rin cuz of obvious reasons

Sorry to be that guy but I would really encourage you to play the videogame first, the animes are a bit of a mess and it's an incomplete experience overall. All of the details explained in this video don't make it into the movies that adapt this parr of the story just for an example.

Do you have a 5 page inner monologue regarding not remembering? If so, you might be Shirou.

The visual novel

Literally the source material. They explain it all in the visual novel.

Based

Apparently, when Shirou projects a weapon he also replicates its history (seems to be some type of clairvoyance) and special abilities so he can do whatever the previous users could with the weapon.

@@thirdplanet4471 wait so does that mean if he were to replicate, say, Medusa's chain daggers he could use her Mystic Eyes?

@@klusternider6540 I don't think so but he could replicate Medusa's skill and technique with the chain and also any special powers that the chain has. For example, if he projects excalibur he can also do the golden light laser blast.

@@thirdplanet4471 I'm not versed enough to know if this counts as the same "history replication," but in the fate route I'm pretty sure he projects Caliburn, which drives off Berserker with Saber's help actually using it right? And doesn't it take a massive toll on Shirou immediately afterwards?

@@Lucas61616 I think thats about right

How is he going to become world famous a legendary warriors in the modern age when the guy doesn't reveal his magecraft, always lets others take the credit for things he does and never seeks attention.

What's the issue with UBW Shirou?

@@r.k845 well for me in ubw anime adaptation ufo cut a lot of monologues that justified shirou (questionable) action and that hurts his characters a lot. Ufo make shirou looks like just your typical naive and stubborn MC in ubw route, which is not true if you read the novel they failed to do his characters justice.

@@lordtouchme77 Yes but I'd like to here what he thinks to clear up his confusion.

Hollow ataraxia is a time loop. Not FSN

@@HachannEinzbern ooooohhh i get it now thx

@@Jamir-gy1li i see