Best Plot Twists In Fate/Stay Night And Fate/Zero 

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And Urobutcher sticking a knife in your back

​@@5L1G_Zeref c'est cool mais où est ma vidéo sur Mash Don't sleep on Mash pls 2 an

@@borislegoute4657 uhhh

@@5L1G_Zeref what he said is "It's cool but where is my video on Best Girl please don't sleep on Best Girl."

finding out archer was shirou is one of my favorite plot twists of all time, especially since it was handled so well in ubw route

Gilgamesh being the only spirit in the Gilgamesh class... unless Enkidu shows up.

@@MagnakayViolet Enkidu is in the Psuedo Gilgamesh class

A container such as Archer could never describe his magnanimity and power over all things.

I remember reading Fate/Stay Night vn for the first time. When Archer warned Shirou about his ideals very early on during the Fate route I was like "These 2 think the same way yet they can't seem to get along... Are they...?" and immediately went to the wiki to spoil myself about Archer's real name. I f*cking knew it.

wow, really?

So the first Saber we see is Archer's Saber? Damn, now I understand what EMIYA feel everytime he enter a new timeline and meet a new Saber.

Yeah! Which is funny, considering he's probably the only version of Gil who'd do that. His younger and older versions would have used everything in their disposal.

@@piercingmoon24 yeah caster Gil from Babylonia literally worked himself to death for his people, then just walked out of the underworld like nothing happened

@@jamesmcmillin796 Let's be honest, that was basically just a vacation for him.

Man really just went "I can see the future...except the futures where I lose. Not because I am incapable of it, but because I block it out."

It's like some teenager not being able to see he will lose in a fight with an entire army because he feels like rambo and he'll never be defeated, then proceeds to get destroyed

To be fair, many magi go into it for the fame and they dont care for the wish, Rin included. And you have crazies like Ryuonusuke that are _just_ having fun.

Yes but No, accord by the games, teen-adult Gil sealed his clairvoyance because "was boring" He unsealed it after enkidu's death, when he becames his most mature version (Caster Gil)

Well he didnt know. He doesnt use it because he believe he is gonna win and any future where he loses is some kind of mistake.

Pretty sure Fate used the second one too. It's a lot neater imo and I think the more commonly used one anyway.

On FGO game, in the pieces of lore they give kinda give away is the second version

Meanwhile my first exposure was Fate/Extella. Getting into the series was incredibly cursed because the game both set completely wrong expectations for what the rest of the series is like, aswell as making inconsistencies between titles easier to swallow.(As in, I had no trouble understanding that Stay Night 06 is not literally the same world as in the anime I just watched and the one I was about to watch right afterwards, because I was already introduced to parallel timelines)

The west really liked Deen/Stay Night when it aired until the original VN got fully fan translated years later and they realized how far off script the adaptation went. Deen/Stay Night was also my first exposure to Fate so the VN was a real eye opener and the perfect primer for when Zero aired.

@@DiogenesTheCynic. There was a time when it got appreciation? Honestly a bit unbelievable with how it only has an incredibily niche fanbase these days.

My introduction to fate was the 1st anime And i remember i revealed all the servant names (except the original character aka. Faker! and kojiro, since i know nothing about japanese history) just by little hints my cousin gave me I think he later went to a wiki to confirm those answers It was an hilarious moment

@@lpfan4491 Like it stated, right at the beggining probably Since the idea itself is great, but when the source material arrived everyone realized while the idea was good the implementation wasn't

Can u explain I didn't understand

@@archer433 the strongest players thinking they’re the good guys or doing a good thing.

That's just Gilgamesh's bs tho. It just happens to fit in with what the grail will do regardless of who wins.

Well F/SN can be summarized as being about mages, so it's not exactly surprising that a ritual to obtain power to reach utopia goes wrong from the start, since they humans in the end just with cheat codes. Historically fitting as well, given the utopian movements of the time.

Thing is... Why does Fate/ Apocrypha Grail was different than Fate/ Stay Night Grail...? Fate/ Apocrypha is the Fuyuki Grail getting stolen before it could be corrupted by Angra Maingyu... It should have been capable of anything without limits... But that Grail still got corrupted by Yggdmillenia...

This is why I want Illya have a route and have her grandfather make an appearance in her story more.

Agreed even Zouken got time to shine and we saw dark Sakura give zouken his just deserts. Now imagine if Illya gave her grandfather his just desserts

@@thirdplanet4471Don’t forget Irisviel had her moment too

That's the "worst" thing about it. They dont have any other plans if Ilya fails. And Ilya has the maids for that reason, to help her as she gets weaker. Dont forget that the Leys, the "dumb" one that attacks Gil in UBW, is the dress that Ilya wears in HF.

Ilya's grandfather isn't a normal person or even a normal homunculus. He doesn't show up because he lacks the capacity of thought even more than Zouken, who is completely degrading in mind and soul, especially since he can't leave the castle

"Every character was spot on, perfectly developed and had depth" This honestly reads like a joke, if you truly did watch Zero you'd know that only a few of the characters are actually well written with the rest being average to actual garbage tier writing (Saber).

It was when it first came out. Pretty funny to think that people thought she was Jeanne d'Arc at first.

​@@melissaredburm9483 Saber, from a certain Abridged series: "Do I look remotely French to you!?"

Well taking out the fact that genderbend in fate exists and she's a king, not a queen... YES, it is

I'll never forget watching DEEN Fate and seeing Saber yell out "EXUCALIBAH!", I was totally shocked that she was THE King Arthur.

Lmao ryio is great but i love that he becomes his gay lover he's basically the opposite male fujimaru

Yeah if you played fgo some redline plot twists are obviously seen from an alternate universe of distance

I mean, even if we didnt know what Musashi looks like, male or DATA LOST, huge guy with spear and metal armor is pretty far from what you think when you hear Miyamoto Musashi. At the very least we would be suspicious of it.

Well... It's not that Excalibur is better than Ea at handling specific enemies, the unsealed version is just flat out stronger than Ea.

It was mentioned in Material that Gil is the strongest character in both FSN and Fate Zero. Logically, this is a comparison that includes all the characters at their peak, so Gil > Gilles. It was mentioned that one sword from GoB, which is "Gram", is equal to the power of the strongest holy sword, "Excalibur". Then we have "Merodach", which is the prototype of "Gram". According to what was mentioned in the FSN visual novel, the prototypes are stronger than the replicas. Therefore, "Merodach" is stronger than Exceller. In short, Gilgamesh was able to defeat Gilles monster easily and without even having to use Ea It was never mentioned that "Excliper surpass Ea", on the contrary, all sources say that Ea is stronger than the unsealed Excliper (sources such as FGO-law of creation and Fate strange fake) Exclibur is not the only NP capable of killing Sefar. Gil mentioned in Extella that Ea is capable of defeating Sefar in the final stage. Also, Sefar did not fight Mesopotamian gods in the first place. On the contrary, Sefar spared Gilgamesh’s father and made a contract with Mesopotamian gods. It was mentioned in Babylonia that aliens (such as Sefar) cannot defeat Tiamat, so Tiamat > Sefar. In LB7 hooves of the Bull of Heaven are capable of damaging ORT, so logically the bull will crush Sefar, without forgetting Alter Eresh, which is above Sefar. It was mentioned in the BB Matrix that Ishtar (in her prime) represents one of the mothers goddesses (like Tiamat) and that she even has “Potnia Theron.” Add to that the Bull of Heaven, and Ishtar will be able to deal with Sefar easily. This is without mentioning the rest of the major gods, such as Marduk...etc. It is mentioned in Extella material that the god Ea is the outrank of all the gods in fate and also the oldest of them all. This means that his sword (sword of rupture) is the strongest divine weapon.

@@thegamerfe8751 I don't think so because according to FGO and the Fate strange fake, The Gilgamesh Matrix, Ea is stronger than the unsealed Exclibur. I will only give one source. FGO-law of creation: The most mystifying treasure among the countless relics from the King of Heroes' collection. The three stone tablets on the blade each symbolize heaven, earth, and the underworld... As such, it is said to represent the universe and so affects not only the bodies of those it faces, but the entire world itself. It's the *strongest* and *oldest* Noble Phantasm man has ever laid his hands on

@@E0ns Nice breakdown but a lot of the references you used aren't taking into account an unsealed Excalibur such as the comparison to Merodach. They're not equal by any means when one or more seals is used and Merodach had no way of fully destroying Gilles monster because it is identical to Caliburn in power. F/SN & FGO Artoria both have seals, so it really isn't different from prototype version of Excalibur either, that whole thing has been retconned. I think the point of my comment at the time was to say that Excalibur is the strongest even over Ea vs invading threats because it scales with its niche use of defending the planet at all costs. Also, in LB7 it took a juiced up version of Excalibur mounted on the Storm Border to even begin to do damage to ORT. That's something Ea could never do. I will say that Ea in terms of overall destruction can probably go as far as reaching several textures in the world but not destroying the Reverse Side of the World which is still something Excalibur can never do. If you study the cosmology of the Nasuverse even without the counter-force restrictions it wouldn't be able to reach that deep. When we are discussing direct attack potency of Ea vs unsealed Excalibur, Excalibur is much stronger. Since we know Avalon is the realm of the soul and not unconsciousness like a reality marble which Ea is specialized in destroying, that's much deeper than what Ea or the Five True Magics can reach. So that statement of destroying the world seven times is really just saying the outer-most layers up to or maybe the linch-pin, Rhongomyniad but not beyond. Main takeaway is that because Avalon/Reverse Side of the World is the domain of the soul, it surpasses consciousness, subconsciousness, unconsciousness, it’s metaphysical and is not affected by something capable of destroying time-space, physical matter, energy and potentially even thoughts outside of awareness. Finally, Mystery can only be powered by the collective unconsciousness of The World which we know to be already metaphysical and where Jungian Archetypes reside.

@@cmartin1409 Nope the context was referring to the unsealed Exclibur, I will quote Description of Gram from VN: "Der Ring des Nibelungen", composed later in Middle Ages Germany, is the story of a knight equal to the legend of King Arthur, and the sword Gram changes its name and appears in it as Balmung. As the "strongest demonic sword" equaling the "strongest holy sword", it even possesses the special characteristic of dragon slayer" We also get that "Merodach" is considered a prototype of "Gram", which makes it stronger than "Gram". I will quote "Children cannot defeat their parents. An imitation that deteriorates every time it is renewed cannot match the original model" Result:- Merodach > Gram = Unsealed Exclibur Gil has both "Merodach" and "Gram" Give me the source in which it was stated that "Merodach" cannot destroy the Gilles monster? While on the other hand, random, unknown swords from GoB were able to kill divine spirits as if they were nothing Ea is superior to Exclibur in all aspects, whether Mystery, power, or concept. I want to tell you that the counterforce will not work against Ea either, because in Strange Fake Enkidu drained the counterforce to block one attack from *servant* Gil. Ea was not present in LB7 in first place and cannot be reproduced, so I do not understand your point here. When we are discussing direct attack potency of Ea vs unsealed Excalibur, Ea is much stronger and this is what Nasu himself said "The most mystifying treasure among the countless relics from the King of Heroes' collection. The three stone tablets on the blade each symbolize heaven, earth, and the underworld... As such, it is said to represent the universe and so affects not only the bodies of those it faces, but the entire world itself. "It's the *strongest* and oldest Noble Phantasm man has ever laid his hands on" This statement is in 2019-2020 and the unsealed Exclibur was already known before this time. Notice how the NPs themselves are compared, and Ea is placed at the top of all the NPs Ea is not anti-reality marble but anti-world, I will quote *Enuma Elish* "It's true power is not meant to be used against one individual, but the *World itself.* Apparently it does not just produce pseudo-fissures in space-time, but it outright influences the flow of space-time and distorts space" Base Gil was able to destroy the mooncell reality with Ea, which is stated to be 8D-9D, much higher than the lower dimension Avalon, which is 6D. Not only that, but Mooncell is able to observe the lower dimensions as if it just a book, so Mooncell is able to create Avalon's territory in its reality. Just by being discovered moon cell by humans in Extra it literally downgraded The Third True Magic to a mere magecraft (called the Third Magecraft). It also can grant Sliding ability which allows parallel world hopping to anyone it wants and can even decide which world to prune or lock, just like Zelretch who is the user of the Second. It could even send BB to FGO timeline. Furthermore it utilizes the Blue Particles to reduce summoning cost of servants which might be related to the Fifth. One attack from Ea brought the planet close to death. So destroying the world seven times is a nightmare, so don't try to downplay this It was mentioned in Strange Fake that Ea is older than the *stars* and planet. Not only that, but it was also mentioned that Ea existed long before all the gods in Fate. This makes Mystery his own above Excalibur and Avalon.

It's officially confirmed that Grand Saber has Excalibur, what we don't know if it's Artoria or Proto Arthur (or even someone else).

@@thegamerfe8751 source??

You're totally wrong about him actually, you really should read Hollow Ataraxia after all cause you really wouldn't expect the plot twist

@@gluebreeza1999 Exactly. Lol the video itself. Would be him. Getting railed by every servant in every fight..... in any form. Upside.... he's pretty decent at killing humans & uses the grail pretty effectively.

@@gluebreeza1999 intentional or not. It still kinda worked (not really). Angra just overall sucks. Bazett beat him as well.. & in servant terms that speaks volumes.

But you're wrong, because of DEEN Fate, the Fate franchise is a franchise in the first place instead of being a niche Visual Novel made by a few friends. It totally did introduce what did become the franchise, hell it was the cause of the franchise's existence. I bet you didn't even watch Fate, it's more accurate to the VN than Ufotable's Fates.

@@thegamerfe8751 I did start with Deen's Fate series. It's just been a few years so my memory is a little hazy, but I stand by the idea that we need a pure Fate route rather than the weird amalgamation Deen provided.

you literally just made this up

But, counter guardians are suppose to eliminate threats to the world. Surely the Shadow would know what counter guardians are.

Growing up is realizing both zero and fsn are peak

When you find out about a slice of life Doujinshi Series that features an "Emilia" who is Post-HF Shirou in Ilya's body... Who is one of the Prototypes for Chloe "Kuro" von Einzbern from Fate/ Kalleid... And the dude who made those doujin now works on Fate/ Grand Order... Nasuverse be Wild...

Aron Headbutt video is this one ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-A7UH3NZERnw.html

@@redstrat5976 ur a goat, I've been subscribed to them so idk how i couldn't find it

I'm curious as to why the shadow showed up in HF and not the ubw or fate

This was never said. The only info we have is that Ilya route and Sakura route were merged.

Wait is that actually what happens

Pro life priest vs pro choice high schooler lol

“For community use”? That’s a pretty disgusting way of saying “was repeatedly sexually abused for most of her life”.

@@LongSinceDead1 it's not that deep

@@LongSinceDead1 ​ The two are as unrelated as you saying "That's a male? That's an interesting to say that's a horse!" If you have neither the literacy to read, the eyes to watch, or the brain to think, please refrain from having that much confidence. But if you must exhibit the confidence to bestow judgement, please game over yourself.